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Mike Filsaime Still Uses Safelist Advertising...I Think LOL

by Steven Wagenheim
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For those who scoff at safelist promotion, today, while logging into my
Adtactics account, I saw a solo ad for Butterfly Marketing 2.0.

Mike knows that there are thousands of people who still use these safelists
and even if he's taking a slightly different tact (purchasing a solo ad) he's
still targeting people who use safelists.

Truth is, there are more people out there who use things like safelists,
traffic exchanges and FFA sites than use things like article marketing and
pay per click.

Why?

Because they're free and don't require any skill whatsoever.

It's a relatively untapped market for those who know how to tap into it.

** EDIT ** Seems there is a possibility that I missed an affiliate link.

Hopefully Mike himself will come by and confirm or deny this.
#advertising #filsaime #mike #safelist
  • Profile picture of the author shibbeymon
    Steven, I follow as many of your threads that I can because of the information you always provide (blatent butt kissing done now lol) and I've benefited from reading them. But I have one question as a newbie who's just now making sales with article marketing: what is a safelist?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author SaRitaCustis
      Originally Posted by shibbeymon View Post

      Steven, I follow as many of your threads that I can because of the information you always provide (blatent butt kissing done now lol) and I've benefited from reading them. But I have one question as a newbie who's just now making sales with article marketing: what is a safelist?

      Thanks!
      A safelist is a mailing list where all of the members can send messages to each other. It's called a safelist because when you sign up, you agree to receive promotional e-mails from the other members, so the people sending the messages are "safe" from SPAM accusations. It can be an effective way to get your message in front of people if you target correctly - that is, send the right message to the people on the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Traffic exchanges were used in my business over the past 3 months to generate a MASSIVE number of leads..

    I have to say, they DO convert at a lower rate on first inspection, but that is only 3 months of testing.. conversions have been so-so, nothing amazing, but still definitely worth the investment it costs me to outsource the grunt work...

    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Yeah Guys,

    They do work

    I love the threads that say they are a complete waste of time.

    My Aweber account thinks otherwise

    It's just a matter of finding the right offer that compliments why people
    use those services.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kent Tee
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Why?

    Because they're free and don't require any skill whatsoever.
    Maybe this suitable for free offers that are targeting for people looking for free stuffs, seem like they never know there is no free lunch in the world ;>
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  • Profile picture of the author tschlotter
    Nice to know that even the bigshots are still using safelists to a certain extent!!

    Bet Mike (or his staff) is using an automated submitter though, probably designed especially for him as well!

    One suggestion if you use traffic exchanges - DO NOT promote any of your pages that have Adsense code ANYWHERE on the page. I made that mistake unknowingly years ago and suffered the consequences, i.e. had my Adsense account cancelled!
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  • Profile picture of the author ideasuniversity
    If it is good for Mike then it is good for me. He would not be advertising on it if he is not getting result.
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    • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
      Originally Posted by ideasuniversity View Post

      If it is good for Mike then it is good for me. He would not be advertising on it if he is not getting result.
      Not really.. You dont know the objective of the reason mike is putting the ad out.

      He might be doing for a number of reason, branding, marketing, puling leads or just plain testing the water.

      Just becouse someone else does it, it doesnt mean that its the surefire way to success for your own project.

      The key here is to test and track and follow well documented results, and not hear-say opinions .

      Dont be like a dodo .

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  • Profile picture of the author webpromotions
    Don't really want to burst the bubble here, especially since I make a living from the safelist market, but just to clarify things, I'm pretty sure Mike didn't place that ad. It was an affiliate. The actual safelist owner to be exact.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Doug English View Post

      Don't really want to burst the bubble here, especially since I make a living from the safelist market, but just to clarify things, I'm pretty sure Mike didn't place that ad. It was an affiliate. The actual safelist owner to be exact.
      Unless the link was very cleverly cloaked, it was not an affiliate link. Plus,
      the safelist owner sells these ad spots (it was a solo login ad) so why would
      he bother to run his own when he can make more money running other
      people's ads?

      Either way, it makes no difference to me. I know that Mike got started
      with safelists and certainly knows the value of them in building a list.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Steven,

    The AdTactics "login solo" is an affiliate link. Jon, AdTactics owner did the solo ad - not Mike.

    I love safelists though.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      Steven,

      The AdTactics "login solo" is an affiliate link. Jon, AdTactics owner did the solo ad - not Mike.

      I love safelists though.

      Garrie

      Garrie, that was the first thing I did was check the link. I didn't notice it
      being an affiliate link.

      Of course at my age, I guess it's easy to miss things like that.

      Still, I know Mike started with safelists and certainly sees the value in
      them.

      Maybe he'll pop by himself and clear this up either way.

      I would personally still be curious to know if he uses these forms of
      promotion still to reach people he probably wouldn't reach otherwise.
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      • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Garrie, that was the first thing I did was check the link. I didn't notice it
        being an affiliate link.

        Of course at my age, I guess it's easy to miss things like that.

        Still, I know Mike started with safelists and certainly sees the value in
        them.

        Maybe he'll pop by himself and clear this up either way.

        I would personally still be curious to know if he uses these forms of
        promotion still to reach people he probably wouldn't reach otherwise.
        Nothing to clear up. On the bottom of the page, it says "referred by Jon Atwood" It's in a light gray text.

        Most of the login solos are Jons affiliate links.

        Speaking of Safelists though... I dont like AdTactics. They give way to many credits. Its the only credit system that performs poorly for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Just an FYI.

        Those who are members of Adtactics are probably aware of this.

        About 2 or 3 weeks ago, for about a solid week, Adtactics ran a login solo
        with some bald guy promoting traffic generation secrets.

        That was a personal friend of mine who I know who ran the ad. He told me
        he got a very good response from it.

        Point is, those ads are usually rented out to other marketers. I have yet to
        know Jon to run one of those himself. And thus, since I didn't see an
        affiliate link (I have to wait until tomorrow to check it again) I assumed it
        had to be Mike who ran the ad, otherwise what would be the incentive for
        anybody else without having an affiliate link?

        Of course it's possible I just overlooked it, but I still doubt Jon ran the ad
        for his own personal reasons unless he too did something he doesn't
        normally do.

        See, that's what happens when you assume things based on evidence that
        you either misinterpreted or just plain screwed up.

        Boy, I hope Mike is reading this.
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  • Profile picture of the author webpromotions
    The add-on module for the safelist script that Adtactics uses (and most other safelists, including mine) is kind of bugged (the login ads don't display if you currently have an active OTO or special offer set to show on login). Jon used to have the standard sales page for these login ads open to the public, but it was removed a while ago.

    I never put my login ads up for public sale because of this bug, as it wouldn't be fair to the purchaser if I had a current OTO or special offer running. Perhaps this is why Jon removed it as well.

    I do recall the login ad for Stan's site, perhaps this was a private deal, but actually Adtactics doesn't use these login ads very often, and the one that ran right before this BFM ad was Jon's own ad as well, and he even won 2 referral contests with its help, so yes, they are effective.

    I had the 'oto/special offer' bug fixed on my own site, but I still don't currently sell them, as I've found I can make a much higher profit using them myself as opposed to selling them.

    Nonetheless, you are correct that safelists DO work. Most just don't know how to use them properly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Doug English View Post

      The add-on module for the safelist script that Adtactics uses (and most other safelists, including mine) is kind of bugged (the login ads don't display if you currently have an active OTO or special offer set to show on login). Jon used to have the standard sales page for these login ads open to the public, but it was removed a while ago.

      I never put my login ads up for public sale because of this bug, as it wouldn't be fair to the purchaser if I had a current OTO or special offer running. Perhaps this is why Jon removed it as well.

      I do recall the login ad for Stan's site, perhaps this was a private deal, but actually Adtactics doesn't use these login ads very often, and the one that ran right before this BFM ad was Jon's own ad as well, and he even won 2 referral contests with its help, so yes, they are effective.

      I had the 'oto/special offer' bug fixed on my own site, but I still don't currently sell them, as I've found I can make a much higher profit using them myself as opposed to selling them.

      Nonetheless, you are correct that safelists DO work. Most just don't know how to use them properly.

      Thanks for filling me in on some info I wasn't aware of. I was thinking of
      having Jon run one of my ads but now I'm going to have to rethink my
      position on it.

      As far as my results with Adtactics itself, I'm satisfied with them. The free
      members don't get anywhere near the credits that the paid members get
      so I do get quite a few click throughs. Of course some of that might have
      something to do with my offers.

      Anyway, if the safelist should stop performing for me, I'm certainly going
      to seek greener pastures.

      I will say this, of all the safelists I do use, Adtactics is in the lower 33% as
      far as results, so it isn't in any way the best of the lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    I can confirm with confidence that it was not mike who placed that ad.

    But it doesn't mean he doesn't believe safelists are a good source of traffic.

    He built his first 25 or 50K list from safelists!!!

    When I first met him and he told me to start going through his stuff (CarboN Copy Marketing), it was all about safelists.

    They still do work.

    But Mike didn't place that ad
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayhew
    I don't know why any form of free advertising would be worthy of laughing at? Especially if you can do it easily?
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  • Profile picture of the author giselle.benites
    Hi Steven,

    I agree if your niche is Network Marketers then yes...most of them are using this free (some are not free, but cheap) methods. But I want to say that article writing does require copywriting skills. It doesn't come easy to me...all during high school I loved reading the books that were assigned but i hated writing the essays...lol

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  • Profile picture of the author SolomonHuey
    If it weren't for TE's and safelists, I'd be working in a dreaded J-O-B right now. They are amazing lead generators, especially for people not good at things like writing and SEO.

    Personally, I'd rather spend 30 minutes a day earning credits and mailing out my ads than writing a few articles (sorry Steve! ). If that's something you can relate to, then you should strongly consider using free traffic websites.

    Adtactics is consistently one of my top performers and one of the most established credit based safelists around. The owner helped me a lot in making my own site becoming a top rated resource as well.

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