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My friend says WF has become Clickbank with a forum

by JasonParker
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It's pretty crazy how massive the membership has boomed here over the past year and a half or so due to the WSO affiliate programs.

Whats funny is... I've read posts when Allen used to post here about how he would shut down 5 figure per month membership sites he owned just because he was bored of them.

And last we heard from him, he was talking about how the affiliate programs have been key on growing the forum, but we're alot of trouble.

There were virtually no problems with PP before the affiliate programs for example.

And in my mind, warriors who are part of these affiliate programs are being taken advantage of in many ways, but I'm not going to sling mud here on an open forum.

And being that WF is seen more as "Clickbank with a forum" (and you know what, it kind of is now) than a place to share knowledge and help each other out, don't be surprised if Allen pulls the plug on affiliate programs here sometime.

Those are just my thoughts...I don't have any insider knowledge about the future of this forum.

Frankly I could care less if affiliate programs go away on WF, but I know many of you would, so I thought I'd bring it up.

Don't be surprised if this forum changes it's "brand" back to the "old days" where WSOs were just something we ran occasionally and often to offer a nice deal on something we are selling outside of the forum.

When we did launches, we did them outside the forum.

When we wanted to make a special offer on a product we launched, we'd run a WSO.

Trust me when I say... I've been following this guy's every word for years, and I can tell you the profits made on this forum due to the affiliate programs mean probably almost nothing to the owner.

Don't be surprised if he pulls the plug on affiliate programs since the spirit of this forum has changed.

Just something to think about (and maybe plan for the possibility).

Forgive me if some of this post is unreadable. I'm on iPad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Hi Jason,

    It wouldn't personally bother me if the affiliate programs went away, but the "old days" are gone.

    The proof is that they were gone before the affiliate programs started.

    There is still a spirit of sharing and helpfulness in the main forum, more than any other public marketing forum that I'm aware of.

    The "spirit" of various sections of the WF have changed. Permanently. And you know what? They will continue to change, but change doesn't always mean "worse".

    I think of it this way: If a dam springs a leak, you can't push the water back in through the hole.

    The WF is still an awesome place, and the "old days" had their fair share of problems, too. Memory is a selective thing. Perhaps there were glory days of the forum, but in 5 years some of us will be referring to today as the glory days.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Unitts Cross
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    I can tell you the profits made on this forum due to the affiliate programs mean probably almost nothing to the owner
    Assume 100 WSOs per day posted or bumped

    $40 x 100 x 365 = $1,460,000 / year

    Even considering PayPal fees that's more than $1m per year
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Unitts Cross View Post

      Assume 100 WSOs per day posted or bumped

      $40 x 100 x 365 = $1,460,000 / year

      Even considering PayPal fees that's more than $1m per year
      Like he said, that probably means nothing to the owner.
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by Unitts Cross View Post

      Assume 100 WSOs per day posted or bumped

      $40 x 100 x 365 = $1,460,000 / year

      Even considering PayPal fees that's more than $1m per year
      Exactly. An excellent calculation of what is left over after he cuts the affiliate program....

      :rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author Nics
    Personally, I'm a fan of WSOs and there affiliates.

    I have bought so many plugins and tools that I am happy with on the WF because I heard of them through an email. In most cases, I got the email from someone that I have bought something from before and I'm still on their list because I like and trust them.

    I would never have heard about these WSOs otherwise. A lot of the tools I have bought help my business tremendously.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      You never know.

      He obviously mustn't be ruled by the dollar, and he probably has enough not to care about closing it down anyway.

      It's kinda sad that you get better information from blog posts now. I kinda think people that come here after being in the game for a year either just enjoy the chats or they have something to sell. Maybe both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Albiet as very useful forum that many people have benefitted tremendously from. Think of the learning and relationhsip buildiong that has taken placve here over the last 5 years. It has been the catalyst for many highly successful businesses and enabled others to consistently make at least some money online every month.

    What you can still learn here for free, or for a nominal charge in the War Room, puts many paid courses to shame, even if many of the original members are either gone, or scarcely post anymore.

    The members who have contributed valuable information to this forum over the years (that many have benefitted from) reads like an Internet Marketing hall of fame.

    The fact that some have also marketed some products of uh, questionable, value as WSOs only means the WSO section is just like any other marketplace; full of products of every quality level. At least as WSOs many fantastic products are only a few bucks.

    Hype? Sure, but if you've ben even half way around the block, most of those are easy to spot. I've bought some on curiousity alone, much for the same reason I've often paid an identical amount to attend a movie. Some of those were clunkers, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Internet marketers move to an area and multiply until the resource has been used up. And then the only way to survive is by moving to another area. "There is another word for this, it's called a virus..."

    For some reason I imagine this is how Google, Facebook, and maybe even the Warrior Forum view Internet Marketers:

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Roncone
      I don't know all that much about Allen, though I have always been curious and just never got around to looking through his posts.

      If he is anything like you say he is, then I would not be surprised if he pulled the plug. However, There is still a lot of value being generated on the forums, even with all affiliate business going around and diluting it.

      Maybe it's not as much as it used to be, I don't know. He did however take a step in the right direction by converting back to a paid forum, but since then I haven't heard much from him.

      Only time will tell what happens, but if he were to pull the plug on the affiliate sites I fear that he would make quite a bit more enemies than he cares to make (from being using the programs as main sources of income), so that may influence his decision.

      I would be curious to see what happens. Honestly, I don't, and never have used the affiliate programs and it would not matter to me either way if they stayed or went. It does matter to me that the forum stays alive and that people continue to find great value here.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If a dam springs a leak, you can't push the water back in through the hole.
      No, but you can drain the water and fix the hole.

      If you allow your well stocked pond to be over-fished by anyone with a lure it won't be long before the big fish are gone and you have a stagnant pool populated by insects and the vermin that feed on them.

      Few ponds go that route because the owner usually sees the problem developing and puts up a big fence. Some in the public decry the limits and claim a "right" to fish where they want....but they don't own that pond so they are out of luck.

      If Allen decides it's gone too far - he won't hesitate to change direction. If he's happy with it, doesn't matter what others think.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        No, but you can drain the water and fix the hole.

        If you allow your well stocked pond to be over-fished by anyone with a lure it won't be long before the big fish are gone and you have a stagnant pool populated by insects and the vermin that feed on them.

        Few ponds go that route because the owner usually sees the problem developing and puts up a big fence. Some in the public decry the limits and claim a "right" to fish where they want....but they don't own that pond so they are out of luck.

        If Allen decides it's gone too far - he won't hesitate to change direction. If he's happy with it, doesn't matter what others think.
        You certainly can fix it, but my point was that it's not as easy as putting the water back in through the hole. Your explanation could be tacked on to mine, as it is what I was getting at.

        <EDIT>Simply eliminating WSO affiliates would NOT suddenly make things revert to "how it used to be". There has been an entire cutlure shift, and it's not all bad, nor is it all good. </EDIT>

        Whether or not the dam has sprung a leak is debatable, but we're not the ones who decide the winner of that debate.

        All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
          Michael, you sir are ON FIRE!

          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          You certainly can fix it, but my point was that it's not as easy as putting the water back in through the hole. Your explanation could be tacked on to mine, as it is what I was getting at.

          <EDIT>Simply eliminating WSO affiliates would NOT suddenly make things revert to "how it used to be". There has been an entire cutlure shift, and it's not all bad, nor is it all good. </EDIT>

          Whether or not the dam has sprung a leak is debatable, but we're not the ones who decide the winner of that debate.

          All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
    Well, the WF has indeed become more of a market place than a meeting point over the years. Anything wrong with that? not really, just milking the cow for all it's worth. I'd do the same, we're all marketers here at the end of the day.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Well, the WF has indeed become more of a market place than a meeting point over the years. Anything wrong with that? not really, just milking the cow for all it's worth. I'd do the same, we're all marketers here at the end of the day.
      Have you seen what a cow looks like after it's been milked for all it's worth?
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      • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        Have you seen what a cow looks like after it's been milked for all it's worth?
        Yes: like a big fat bank account.
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          Yes: like a big fat bank account.
          If all that matters to you is the amount of money you make, then that's just how you view things, but not necessarily how others view things.

          To me there are at least a million things in life more important than the amount of money you make.

          But that's just me.

          Every person I've ever known who's been all about money is unhappy as hell and I don't strive to be like them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            You're right - reverting to "how things were" doesn't work in a forum or in life, for that matter.

            But a forum or a life that spirals out of control isn't useful to anyone for long. I see the WF as similar to a footpath that is now a multi-lane highway. That's progress - but you have to keep traffic moving in the right direction.
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          • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
            Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

            If all that matters to you is the amount of money you make, then that's just how you view things, but not necessarily how others view things.

            To me there are at least a million things in life more important than the amount of money you make.

            But that's just me.

            Every person I've ever known who's been all about money is unhappy as hell and I don't strive to be like them.
            Jason, this is a business-orientated forum. We discuss business here. If we want to discuss happiness, love and karma, Ill happy to take this conversation to a non-business-centered forum and debate with you all day long, but here it's all about online entrepreneurship, and that directly implies money. And the fact that the WF is now a marketplace is based on one single factor: money making, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
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            • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
              Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

              Jason, this is a business-orientated forum. We discuss business here. If we want to discuss happiness, love and karma, Ill happy to take this conversation to a non-business-centered forum and debate with you all day long, but here it's all about online entrepreneurship, and that directly implies money. And the fact that the WF is now a marketplace is based on one single factor: money making, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
              What are we even arguing about right now? And why?

              Whatever it is... you win.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

              Jason, this is a business-orientated forum. We discuss business here. If we want to discuss happiness, love and karma, Ill happy to take this conversation to a non-business-centered forum and debate with you all day long, but here it's all about online entrepreneurship, and that directly implies money. And the fact that the WF is now a marketplace is based on one single factor: money making, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

              There is nothing wrong with making money unless doing so makes you unhappy. This forum is much more than simply making money. Most of the people that think only about the money tend to not have much.
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              • Profile picture of the author fin
                Mobility > Money

                Time > Mobility

                Money > No Money

                For me anyways.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
              Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

              Jason, this is a business-orientated forum. We discuss business here. If we want to discuss happiness, love and karma, Ill happy to take this conversation to a non-business-centered forum and debate with you all day long, but here it's all about online entrepreneurship, and that directly implies money. And the fact that the WF is now a marketplace is based on one single factor: money making, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
              But you don't make money in a vacuum.

              People skills play a critical role in how much money you make. Think of the WF as a forum that deals primarily with making money, but is also a community were we can hone our interpersonal skills.

              To be honest, the "money is all" approach I have seen you take here and in another thread turns me off to whatever it is you're offering. Do you want to be known as the "all he cares about is money" guy, or the "I like him so I will check out what he's offering" guy? HINT: Customers like to feel like they are the top concern of a business.

              You need to get it through your head that we are a community, and that we often talk about making money, but we also hang out and help each other with many different things.

              All the best,
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              • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                To be honest, the "money is all" approach I have seen you take here and in another thread turns me off to whatever it is you're offering. Do you want to be known as the "all he cares about is money" guy, or the "I like him so I will check out what he's offering" guy? HINT: Customers like to feel like they are the top concern of a business.

                You need to get it through your head that we are a community, and that we often talk about making money, but we also hang out and help each other with many different things.

                All the best,
                Michael
                Errrr... Uh?

                We are not talking about me in this thread. We are talking about the WF having converted from a community website into a marketplace+forum website (read the thread title), and my whole argument here is that there is only one reason for that: MONEY! Because it makes the forum owners much more money this way than before.

                And to THAT I say that I totally respect it. Kudos to the forum owner for having managed to make ****loads of money from what it used to be just a community website.

                I dont know why you personalized you post on me, but I would love to drive the conversation back to the OP: warrior forum = marketplace+forum, yay or nay? And why?
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                • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                  Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

                  Errrr... Uh?

                  We are not talking about me in this thread. We are talking about the WF having converted from a community website into a marketplace+forum website (read the thread title), and my whole argument here is that there is only one reason for that: MONEY! Because it makes the forum owners much more money this way than before.

                  And to THAT I say that I totally respect it. Kudos to the forum owner for having managed to make ****loads of money from what it used to be just a community website.

                  I dont know why you personalized you post on me, but I would love to drive the conversation back to the OP: warrior forum = marketplace+forum, yay or nay? And why?
                  You, obviously, don't know Allen very well or haven't followed any of his posts. Again, when you have plenty of money, money isn't a deciding factor in the things you do.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
                    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                    You, obviously, don't know Allen very well or haven't followed any of his posts.
                    I dont know him at all, but the fact that now there are paid banners, paid private section, WSO price listing doubled, etc (there was none of that before) makes me believe that the owne of WF does indeed want to monetize off this website, to which I say KUDOS!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

                      I dont know him at all, but the fact that now there are paid banners, paid private section, WSO price listing doubled, etc (there was none of that before) makes me believe that the owne of WF does indeed want to monetize off this website, to which I say KUDOS!
                      He would make a ton more money just promoting his own products or becoming an affiliate of others instead of allowing advertisements. Hell, he could have set up his own affiliate system and not allowed 3rd party affiliate programs.

                      Think about it... Allen is a smart cookie (probably the hair cut) and he could make a lot more with this forum.

                      Maybe he wants to help others build their businesses? You can't simply give away your resources because too many people abuse them. So to cut that down you start charging (there was a time when it was free or really cheap to post a wso).
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                  Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

                  Errrr... Uh?

                  We are not talking about me in this thread. We are talking about the WF having converted from a community website into a marketplace+forum website (read the thread title), and my whole argument here is that there is only one reason for that: MONEY! Because it makes the forum owners much more money this way than before.

                  And to THAT I say that I totally respect it. Kudos to the forum owner for having managed to make ****loads of money from what it used to be just a community website.

                  I dont know why you personalized you post on me, but I would love to drive the conversation back to the OP: warrior forum = marketplace+forum, yay or nay? And why?
                  The reason I made it personal was, and you have to see the irony in this, to help you make more money. We are not ALL about making money, and making money ONLY. If you think that, then you will be leaving money on the table, I guarantee it.

                  You may have an awesome product, and may be getting a boatload of sales, but realizing that nothing is all about money will most likely give you even more sales.

                  I don't know if you are just putting on an act, or what, but my post was my way of saying "tone it down a bit, and you will be pleasantly surprised at the results."

                  And of course the WF is a marketplace and a forum, but so what? If the discussion area went away, the WSO section would quickly wither away, but I don't believe that the opposite is true.

                  Money is only ONE metric used by Warriors to measure success. Yes, money is the bottom line when it comes to business, but not at the expense of selling your soul or losing your humanity.

                  You are coming across as someone who only cares about money, or at the very least, someone who wishes to dictate what others are allowed to talk about here. That ain't gonna fly.

                  Anyway, my main reason for my post is to help you do even better. Let your hair down, live a little. Yes, the WF is primarily concerned with making money, but there is a lot more to making money than just cold, hard numbers.

                  All the best,
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      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Well, the WF has indeed become more of a market place than a meeting point over the years. Anything wrong with that? not really, just milking the cow for all it's worth. I'd do the same, we're all marketers here at the end of the day.
      I second that! I love it here but if people rely on WF for their sole income then they are in for a rude awakening one day. I mean come on...why have just one resource. There are others out there but you should be able to grow a following large enough to handle a missing plug to your business.

      I am growing my large list larger because I do not want to have to rely on WF for my profits and really I don't. I have maybe launched two WSO's here on WF.

      I am a big fan of creating my own wealth. We all are that is why we are here.

      I do enjoy the conversation I get here and the networking opp. That has taken my business to the next level. Oh can't forget the WSO's I purchase. I have learned a lot and that to me is PRICELESS!
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    Could do with changing a little bit more methinks...

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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    I don't know much about Allen, but if I was in his shoes I would probably revert back to the 'old-days', so to speak.

    I run WSO's and they are a great marketing tool, but so many people are relying on WSO's as there main business model, which just isn't a very clever thing to do.

    It's also kinda' annoying that 'anyone' who has the money can put out a WSO no matter of what it's quality, it sort of damages the name of the forum.

    Did you know that some email providers are now black-listing the 'Warrior Forum' address, so I've been told anyone. But, I do believe it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I think some folks are confusing something.

    The wso section is an advertising platform and that's ALL it is. I don't see Alan cutting ad revenue out just because some people don't happen to like how some of the products are advertised and or even what some of the products actually are.

    Personally I don't like how some vendors hype a product but that doesn't mean we through the baby out with the bathwater does it?

    The WSO section isn't remotely like Clickbank in my opinion. Why? Because the actual forum itself does not have an affiliate platform for the product vendors. Clickbank isn't an advertising platform, it's a product sales and delivery platform albeit Clickbank does have ads integrated into the site. This doesn't make it like the WSO section by any stretch of the imagination in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi All,

    To me this place is just as great as it always was if not better, except for one thing. Allen doesn't post here (much) anymore.

    However, when I need a dose of Allen I just dust off one of his many eBooks or go to his section of the WarRoom. His stuff never gets old so "He" is always there.

    As far as WSOs If the sales page MADE me buy, that alone was worth the price of admission. It helps me create products. That is, if it made me buy it also made a lot like me buy and if the product wasn't all that good then all I have to do is create a product that does live up to the sales page. Easy Button all the way.

    As far as the sub forums go, I consider them "other forums" and I don't go to "other forums much," DP, or otherwise. The Main forum, WarRoom, WSO Forum, here along with a very occasional dose of the OT forum is all I can take when it comes to forums.

    With all that said, I then keep my post filters in place and only read and comment in posts that interest me, much the same way I read a magazine or news paper. Just because magazines and newspapers have a lot of articles I don't want to read, I don't refuse to "read" those things, I just read what I want to in them. If on occasion I start reading something that is worthless junk I stop reading. It never ceases to amuse me when I read comments here like, "Well, that was a waste of time," or "There's 5 minutes of my time I'll never get back." LOL

    So, on one hand I could have written and agree with much of the OP, However, I still enjoy this place just as much as ever and I have be a Warrior Member since way before the join date in my profile.

    George Wright, P.S. On topic, If the affiliate programs have helped Allen grow this forum that's great. Whether he keeps them or not, I don't care one way or the other. This forum has survived many major changes over the years that made people predict "The death of the WF." And through it all the WF is alive and well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    This place certainly isn't what it used to be. I really enjoyed the old forum and the days when you weren't bombarded with ads. Most of all, I miss the old timers sharing. I used to check in 5 to 10 times a day but now I don't come by for weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Since you can no longer advertise the affiliate program in the thread, they have sorta cut them out.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Real Deal
      It would surprise me if change wasn't coming to the Warrior Forum one way or another.

      If I were Allen I would be concerned about a crack down by the FTC.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Imagine what would happen if Allen reverted back to 2003-2004 WF where the WSO section use to work like any other forum and when someone posted on it it would bounce back to the top.... OMG I can only imagine the chaos...

    Remember when the PIPs section was one of the more active sections on the forum and everyone has their PIPs number as an ID.

    Remember when this was on a Snitz platform!! jeez the time flies...

    I do miss the knowledgeable debates between people like Kern, Moffat, Filsaime, Reese, Merz, etc who used to be active on the forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Cpawhiz
    Your friend nailed it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I always thought the Warrior forum was a dating website disguised as a marketing forum with a bunch of other sub-forums.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      I always thought the Warrior forum was a dating website disguised as a marketing forum with a bunch of other sub-forums.

      RoD
      Rod, that's every forum on the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedClickSeo
    I personally think there should be a "process" to getting your WSO approved. It shouldn't be as simple as just paying 40$.

    I know supply and demand will even it all out in the end, but for the sake of the "brand" that alan has been building there should be a rigorous process to getting your WSO approved.

    Their should be SO much value in what is being offered that the people who are approving them have no choice but to allow them. Not only would this finally cut down on all the $hit wso's. (and recently there have been SOO many of them) but it would bring so much more increased value to the one's that do get approved. It will force people to create higher quality products and give more value to the readers.
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      HereYee!, HereYee!, The red seal award goes to Red click seo.
      Thank you RED, I go through the wso's quite often, One I found yesterday had over a dozen posts out of about 20 at the time there were from warriors with no history at all. We need a stop to the nonsense and weed out the people taking advantage of us.

      Will we get relief? Probably not as it supplies so much money to the owners of this site.

      Originally Posted by RedClickSeo View Post

      I personally think there should be a "process" to getting your WSO approved. It shouldn't be as simple as just paying 40$.

      I know supply and demand will even it all out in the end, but for the sake of the "brand" that alan has been building there should be a rigorous process to getting your WSO approved.

      Their should be SO much value in what is being offered that the people who are approving them have no choice but to allow them. Not only would this finally cut down on all the wso's. (and recently there have been SOO many of them) but it would bring so much more increased value to the one's that do get approved. It will force people to create higher quality products and give more value to the readers.
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by RedClickSeo View Post

      I personally think there should be a "process" to getting your WSO approved. It shouldn't be as simple as just paying 40$.
      Your intention is good, but it would end up being a nightmare. For the moment, set aside the logistics of how to be objective. Set aside the question of who would have time to do this. Set aside all those details, just for a moment.

      Now consider this...

      Right now there are people who are sure, SURE, that there is some giant conspiracy brewing on the WF where the "big dogs" and the "gurus" purposely hold the "little guys" down. And the tin-foil hat crowd already thinks the WF owner and mods are a part of it. That the WF is selectively deleting comments that harm the "big dogs" while leaving up all the nasty stuff about the "little guys" so that these little guys can't make a buck.

      Now imagine how much of a field day the conspiracy theorists would have if the WF started picking and choosing which WSOs to display.

      And then there's the increased support this forum would need to deal with the entitled, the delusional, the postal and the just plain crazy. We have people here who blow a gasket when they get a post deleted. Yes, really-- people go all nutso when they get ONE stupid little forum POST deleted. Now imagine if their WSOs didn't get picked.

      Whoooo boy!

      (Oh, and did I mention the details and logistics?)

      Becky
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Only problem Red is that a s@&$ WSO for one is gold to another. You can't apply an objective idea to a subjective process, or they would have done so already.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Personally, I think Allen should revert back to using Snitz instead of Vbulletin. We didn't have all of these problems when he was using Snitz.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I'm really sure Alan knows his legal risk in regards to the WSO section. This is one reason they don't screen WSO's for quality of content or sales copy claims. To do so would imply endorsement the very second a WSO is approved, and that most likely bears a huge legal risk for Alan.

    The WSO section is merely an advertising venue and that's ALL it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    I'm just happy this place is turning into Clickbank and not Craigslist...

    Clickbank has a strong refund policy unlike Craigslist.

    If I saw that "WFM casual encounters" ad on Clickbank instead of Craigslist at least I could get my money back from that tranny.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      If I saw that "WFM casual encounters" ad on Clickbank instead of Craigslist at least I could get my money back from that tranny.
      Kevin Riley still posting ads on Craigslist, eh?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Kevin Riley still posting ads on Craigslist, eh?
        Don't think it was him there wasn't a beard or hamster...

        A ferret was involved for a short amount of time, but it tickled too much and I had to use the 'safe' word.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Allan could round up 100 of the regulars who are doing good here. Who have some time in the game. Then he could increase the price of a WSO by $20-30.

      Then for everyone who wanted to submit a WSO it would get passed to one of these people, who would be given the $20-30 for having a 30 min check of it. Not a lot, but maybe they would do it for the love of the forum.

      If this reviewer says it's no good they would be rejected. Maybe they could have one more chance of a resubmit. Then they lose the money.

      It would improve the quality.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        Allan could round up 100 of the regulars who are doing good here. Who have some time in the game. Then he could increase the price of a WSO by $20-30.

        Then for everyone who wanted to submit a WSO it would get passed to one of these people, who would be given the $20-30 for having a 30 min check of it. Not a lot, but maybe they would do it for the love of the forum.

        If this reviewer says it's no good they would be rejected. Maybe they could have one more chance of a resubmit. Then they lose the money.

        It would improve the quality.
        How are these members selected?

        What qualifies them to review anything?

        How does a rejected seller get to plead their case?

        How does a reviewer that rejects a product handle it?

        What is quality?

        Does a product get rejected if it's too short? Too long? Doesn't have enough screenshots? Isn't written well? Has too much theory? Has too much fluff? (How is 'too' and enough' defined?)

        There are some excellent products which cover the basics, and it would be really easy for a seasoned pro to say such a product doesn't pass muster.

        Also, we all have friends. So what do you do if a friend submits a product that wasn't quite up to par? What if a competitor submits a product? What if a competitor of a friend submits a product? True objectivity is as common as perfection.

        How do you overcome subjectivity?

        What about areas of experitse?

        What about software?

        See, the thing is that we don't need a 100-member review panel. We already have a 100,000 member review panel, and they can post their comments right in the WSO section if they have purchased the WSO in question.

        But, as soon as the WF starts endorsing WSOs, and a review/approval process is a de facto endorsement, the WF takes on liability for those WSOs.

        I sometimes feel like I am all alone in this thought, but I do not think that the WF is worse than it used to be, I don't think it's broken, and I don't think the WSO section needs much improvement (only in that there is always room for improvement in eveything).

        All the best,
        Michael
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