Is IWriter Dead - This Is Kind Of Disturbing

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EDIT: This thread was bumped 3 months after being created. Since then, a lot has changed for me and I've added my response at the end of the thread, or here for lazy people:
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7317768
Yay for lazy!

5 pages of articles to be written... there are 5 pages of articles available for grabs and this is what I see.

Only 2 people have an approval rating of 75% or higher.. That is disturbing. Are people seriously that cheap that they rip people off of sites that already charge less than $1.00 per 100 words?

Is IWriter dead? Months ago, there were at least 10-15+ pages of articles to be written, and now there's only 5 pages today. I just can't sincerely wrap my head around all of the cheap and deceitful people on there who the majority of have less than 50% approval rating.. that's just wrong.

EDIT: Before someone tells me to write on Digital Point. I'm banned From Digital Point for unknown reasons. I reported someone for trolling random threads and 5 minutes later I was banned until October. I don't have $20 in my name to start up a thread on here at the moment so I was using IWriter was one of my last options. It appears if I write here though, less than 1/4 of my articles will even be approved despite the quality that I deliver them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
    Originally Posted by GhostWriting View Post

    Are people seriously that cheap that they rip people off of sites that already charge less than $1.00 per 100 words?
    Yes, they are.

    Check this out if you haven't already:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/wanted-m...n-writers.html (no affiliation)
    They have a good reputation (do the work and you WILL get paid) and there seems to be a lot of work available.
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    • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
      Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

      Yes, they are.

      Check this out if you haven't already:

      (no affiliation)
      They have a good reputation (do the work and you WILL get paid) and there seems to be a lot of work available.
      Well, I went ahead and applied to that but according to this, it might take a few days to get accepted (business days) that is.

      I'm e-mailing/contacting anyone I see off of DP/WF that I can but I have yet to get responses back or even hope for any work. It's kind of troubling seeing how hard it is to find work for a measly $1.00/100 words as a Native English writer.

      I can't PM people as of yet on here so that also kind of puts a tight strain on what I can do on this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      It could be decreasing, OR... people could just be better at fulfilling the demand... Less pages doesn't necessarily mean less work.
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  • Profile picture of the author rowbot
    Originally Posted by GhostWriting View Post

    Before someone tells me to write on Digital Point. I'm banned From Digital Point for unknown reasons.
    Otherwise known as Dufus Point. Don't worry about that part. Haven't been there for years and don't even remember it until someone mentions it. (And I wasn't banned.)

    Sorry I can't help you with your writing question, but good luck. Hope everything works out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
      Originally Posted by rowbot View Post

      Otherwise known as Dufus Point. Don't worry about that part. Haven't been there for years and don't even remember it until someone mentions it. (And I wasn't banned.)

      Sorry I can't help you with your writing question, but good luck. Hope everything works out.
      I reported someone for trolling/flaming random threads. I'm guessing he wasn't Native English by the way he was typing and his grammar, then 5 minutes later I received a ban.

      Apparently it was a mod who likes to troll *shrug*
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      • Profile picture of the author HKSEO Jonbones
        Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

        I reported someone for trolling/flaming random threads. I'm guessing he wasn't Native English by the way he was typing and his grammar, then 5 minutes later I received a ban.

        Apparently it was a mod who likes to troll *shrug*

        I was recently banned on another forum for outing a ponzi scheme run by the moderators. Go figure.
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        • Profile picture of the author ParkerArrow
          Pandas and Penguins are thinning the cheap content herd.

          Caution: Natural selection is in progress.

          That is all.


          PS:
          Great suggestion on eliminating keywords in favor of desired impact for articles.

          Add context, persuasiveness, shareability and a whole host of *RELEVANT* factors related to Web writing.

          Academic editing, Style (AP et al), hothouse-flower artistry, grammar snark - these are virtually irrelevant in writing for the Web. They appeal largely to personal sense of quality; but they do not pertain to Google's priorities, and no matter what people prefer, I think Google would know.
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  • Profile picture of the author ashloren
    Sign up with InteractMedia.com (no affiliation). They sometimes don't have the most work available, but they pay better and the people on there tend to be legit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
      Originally Posted by ashloren View Post

      Sign up with InteractMedia.com (no affiliation). They sometimes don't have the most work available, but they pay better and the people on there tend to be legit.
      Never heard of that one. I'm currently doing the signup process now and submitted my 500 word article to them. Hopefully they approve me quickly and I can get started.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Originally Posted by GhostWriting View Post

    5 pages of articles to be written... there are 5 pages of articles available for grabs and this is what I see.

    Only 2 people have an approval rating of 75% or higher.. That is disturbing. Are people seriously that cheap that they rip people off of sites that already charge less than $1.00 per 100 words?

    Is IWriter dead? Months ago, there were at least 10-15+ pages of articles to be written, and now there's only 5 pages today. I just can't sincerely wrap my head around all of the cheap and deceitful people on there who the majority of have less than 50% approval rating.. that's just wrong.

    EDIT: Before someone tells me to write on Digital Point. I'm banned From Digital Point for unknown reasons. I reported someone for trolling random threads and 5 minutes later I was banned until October. I don't have $20 in my name to start up a thread on here at the moment so I was using IWriter was one of my last options. It appears if I write here though, less than 1/4 of my articles will even be approved despite the quality that I deliver them.
    Just because a requester has an approval rate of 50%, doesn't mean that you have a 50/50 chance of getting an article approved by them. Their rate is 50% because half of the articles they've received were written by HORRIBLE writers, likely because they select the very cheapest article type (i.e. $1.50). Those people that select the higher quality writers from the beginning (i.e. premium and elite) have higher approval ratings. Most people that come to iwriter, start at the standard rate, which leads to a higher rejection rate, in the beginning, for them.

    Basically, what I'm trying to say is, if you're not writing complete garbage, you're article is going to get approved almost every time.

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    • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
      Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

      Their rate is 50% because half of the articles they've received were written by HORRIBLE writers, likely because they select the very cheapest article type (i.e. $1.50).
      I don't write at iWriter, but I always notice the same problem with many of these sites - they attract cheap clients and inexperienced writers.

      Wouldn't it be smart to completely eliminate the "low-tier" levels altogether? I'm sure that would eliminate half of the problem right there.

      The sad thing is there will always be someone willing to write 500 words for a buck. Of course, all the client will ever get is just that - words. No structure, flow, no tone or voice. Worse yet, there will always be someone expecting 500 words of premium content for a buck.

      See the connection?

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    Send me over a sample or two if you're looking for work. My clients pay up front, you never have to worry about getting stiffed and we have a great order management system. Also 75% are repeat biz and I keep same clients with same writers wherever possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author piotr
    "Basically, what I'm trying to say is, if you're not writing complete garbage, you're article is going to get approved almost every time."

    I wish it was truth but is not. You can write good copy and requester will still make some stupid excuse like "you should use more powerful verbs" etc.


    Problem with iWriter is that writers there are defenseless there and nobody cares about
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I just don't understand why writers write for sites like this. You can make much more money finding your own private clients. Yes it takes work and time but in the end you are so much better off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        I just don't understand why writers write for sites like this. You can make much more money finding your own private clients. Yes it takes work and time but in the end you are so much better off.
        You answered your own question.

        Sometimes some people do not have time. The landlord does not wait, the electric bill is due, you get the picture...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Johns
    I can tell you from writing on iWriter as part of the challenge I am doing that a lot of the instructions provided are dreadful. I saw one the other day "Write me an article about computers" ... huh? No one in their right mind there is going to touch an article where the instructions are vague because it impacts their rating and ability to earn.

    There are quite a few articles that have been there for weeks because no one wants to touch them and there are a lot of rewrites where the original file is corrupted and can't be read.

    IWriter is good, but work comes and goes - there seems to be a lot more in the evening UK time but even so, I rarely see more than 5 or maybe 6 pages of work. I am wondering if part of the reason is that some requests for multiple articles are now stacked instead of listed as different jobs. So if someone wants 42 articles on a subject, there aren't 42 jobs listed, just 1 job with 42 articles listed in it.

    It's still possible to bring in a decent amount of money from the site providing you are quick to grab the decent articles and are willing to do your research. Most of the articles I've written for the challenge have been approved no problems, but some have been rejected for almost random reasons and little explanation.

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author BrianDouglas
    I signed up there for a potential case study on my site and was appalled. The content they want produced, that is, the content on request, is garbage. They expect a lot for very little. I think everyone is better off with Yahoo Contributors Network and HubPages, at least you profit from the content that way.

    Most of those iWriter like sites (take your pick of them), I use those for one sole purpose: Keeping an eye out for good finds by other people.

    Why would I sell my writing to someone when they handed me their target keywords and expectations?

    5 articles up for grabs, your keywords, and your research on how it should be presented? You don't say... Okay, thanks for doing my homework for me lol.

    Now watch, there will be a WSO within a week about how to get free keyword research by sniping outsource site clients for their needs and using them for yourself. And I won't see one red cent for it
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    While I think if you are going to write, you should write for yourself. But I also understand sometimes it's all about cashflow. So if you are going to be an article write for these services, you will probably want to sign up for 2-3-4 of them, so if one service is slow, you can get work with another.

    Plus with a variety, you may be able pick topics that are easier for you to write.

    Also try:
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    Maybe you should just stay away of all low rent venues.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianDouglas
    Kurt is right, TextBroker has a better selection for writers. You need to prove you are a US citizen by showing your driver's license in a pic or scan, but they have some worthy stuff. Even if all you use it for is to do your own keyword research, it's got more to choose from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Corey,

    Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

    I don't have $20 in my name to start up a thread on here at the moment so I was using IWriter was one of my last options.
    If you've got a PayPal account, look around your house and find a couple of items you can list immediately on eBay. Just about everyone can come up with something worth at least twenty bucks. With a buy it now listing, you could have the funds sitting in your account in less time than it takes to churn out another $3 article.

    Then set up a free blog with examples of your best work and start advertising.

    And by the way, unless you're trying to be funny, you're probably not doing yourself any favors by having this line in your sig file:
    I'm the last writer you'll ever hire!



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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

      5 pages of articles to be written...
      Is IWriter dead? Months ago, there were at least 10-15+ pages of articles to be written, and now there's only 5 pages today.
      I have seen it with 3 pages as well. It does surge - at least temporarily when Brad sends out a mass email "advertising" articles for as low as $2!! Also a good chunk of the article requests at any given time have been there for months, in large part due to the unreasonable requesters getting shunned or the topic (and stipulations) being comically bizarre.

      Originally Posted by piotr View Post

      I wish it was truth but is not. You can write good copy and requester will still make some stupid excuse like "you should use more powerful verbs" etc.

      Problem with iWriter is that writers there are defenseless there and nobody cares about
      I can say from personal experience this is VERY true.

      I recently wrote an article for what seemed like a reasonable requester. I even gave him a bonus of 20% word count. He responds saying the article was excellent, but apologized because HE had written the wrong keyword for the assignment. However, that did not stop him from asking for a rewrite, even though he admitted it was his mistake! I removed my article from him and decided to save it for myself.

      Originally Posted by Jason Johns View Post

      I can tell you from writing on iWriter as part of the challenge I am doing that a lot of the instructions provided are dreadful.....

      There are quite a few articles that have been there for weeks because no one wants to touch them
      I agree. Some requesters make me LOL because you will often see warnings like these "Make sure you're English is the best or rejection", "If article is copied I will not accept", "Put keyword 3 times in first pargraf, then 3 times in last pargraf"....etc... and I am NOT even joking about the sp and grammar errors in the instructions!

      The iWriter interface and software is however, top notch. I even sent in some recommendations to Brad that were implemented rather quickly just after the site was launched... (although I did not receive any response or TY from the admin for the suggestions). I suppose with the type of marketing (You can get a 500 word article for as little as $2!!!) Brad is doing, there is little hope for a high quality brigade of requesters any time soon.

      Note to Brad - more suggestions...

      1- Stop marketing to CHEAP requesters who post jobs for $2-$3. It really just attracts the wankers who do not value real writers.

      2- Remove the "KeyWord" aspect of the writing request altogether. Let the requester explain what they want for the article - perhaps by title or description. Demanding logistical placement of keywords is NOT what the search engines want anyway - it creates forced writing. The requester should also realize that even excellent content will need to be slightly modified after delivery on their end. I did exactly that when I hired writers.

      3- There should be a way for the writer to disagree or argue a poor score against them. You offer such high relevance for the 3 star rating, but just one of the many unreasonable requesters can screw all that up - UNFAIRLY!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Honest Abel
        From what I've heard, there are major technical problems with iwriter and writers often don't get paid for the work they have done and their support system doesn't respond when this happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim3
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post


      And by the way, unless you're trying to be funny, you're probably not doing yourself any favors by having this line in your sig file:

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      Lol, an accidental double entendre?
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  • Profile picture of the author StefanPaulGeorgi
    I would second the notion of interact media. Find a client paying 2.5 cents or more per word, do a good job for them, and they'll probably ask you about direct weekly assignments where you can negotiate up to 3.2 cents per word or so.

    Because I copywrite full time, I don't use them anymore, but I used to and still get direct assignments from past clients to this day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Johns
    Corey, forget eBay, you get hit for fees. Most towns / cities have Facebook groups for selling stuff and it's a lot easier than eBay. There are no fees, you get cash in hand and it's often gone within the same day.

    We pulled a lot of stuff out of the garage and converted it into several hundred pounds within the space of a couple of days!

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    There are good iWriter alternatives at Fiverr. Some providers grew up in the US and have college degrees--and charge only $5 for 1000 words
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDay
    If you have writing skills, why would you want to write for iWriter?

    Too much B.S. and hoops to jump through over there. Both for the writers and buyers.

    Start your own writing service.

    Make sure you have your own site so you have a place to send traffic to.

    Then you can freelance yourself out on some of the freelance sites and drive traffic to your own site from forums and any other methods of traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author piotr
    From the latest iWriter highlight.

    Two articles were rejected because:
    "Not written to brief"

    this is exactly what requester wrote to me so...

    Same guy have a record of 1 out of 8 accepted articles and all writers were premium writers. Isn't it wired?
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      You work for Dollar General, expect Dollar General wages
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    Not sure a 3 month old thread needed a bump.

    Since starting this thread a lot has changed. It really has been a 180 type transformation. I've talked to Brad a bit and he usually answers all of my questions when I have them. I haven't touched the site in a while because writing is a side project and I work on other things as my main focus. Writing is merely a distraction from say playing World of Warcraft or general boredom. I'm currently living in a small town so I gotta do something to keep myself occupied.

    I've thought about moving but i'm not sure where yet, never really got to travel a lot of the country so a lot of it is a thought process right now at best.

    As of writing, I do still write, but I don't do it at a $.50c or $1.00 rate. I'm doing at $3.00 at a bare minimum and like I said, it's merely an off-time thing I do.

    Writing in general has opened up my eyes to the world of freelancing a lot.

    I have been contacted by people who want me to write for .50c per 100 words.. yep..

    I've been contacted by people who one week later turn into "PLEASE JOINT VENTURE WITH ME" type people. AKA: They want you to write for free because they're out of money.

    I get contacted by people who take days/weeks to respond (that's the majority of the people I meet).

    I mean, sure, it's an interesting story to have to meet all of these "characters". I would personally fire someone if I told them I wanted content written and they just went off the grid for 3 days. It's not too bad though when you meet some cool clients. Writing isn't my main means of income anymore, but I've met some interesting people and I've gained some good contacts to have on my Skype. If anything, I give them advice on their page, their sales letter, their marketing, etc.

    If you're absolutely desperate and can wait a few days to get paid, IWriter's not a bad place. If you get a bogus BS rejection because someone clearly had no idea what they want, send an e-mail to the help desk adn Brad will more than likely clear it off your record. It happens.. I never get complaints from the people who request me from here but I've had more than my fair share of complaints from cheap people They're usually the hardest to please.

    Not sure why this thread got bumped after 3 months, but just thought I'd comment in here.

    EDIT: I want to include this.

    I talked to a girl from here recently that said she couldn't raise her rates because someone told her she wasn't good enough.

    Let me tell you what some of the clients I've had have told me.

    $3 Clients: Thanks! You're awesome!
    $.50c Clients: I can't use this. Terrible. Didn't follow instructions

    If I would have listened to the people paying .50c, I would have never left DP and would have never been able to start writing for a little more ($1.00) which gave me enough to start a business from the get go and I certainly wouldn't be here right now. I'd be living in some random person's basement or on the street. If you have great Native English and can follow instructions, don't let cheap clients control you or tell you you're not good enough.

    Also: If you ever contact a major or large corporation, do NOT sell yourself for $3.00 or even $10.00 per 100 words, they will laugh at you. (Had my first experience talking to a corporation and told them $5.00 per 100 words). He laughed and said my quality must be terrible. Also, they don't charge per 100 words, they charge per article. They also don't give out samples, they give out portfolios/resumes. Not sure who's going to read down this far but it might help someone.
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    I'm giving it a try, because a good friend of mine had great experiences with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    You should go to iWriter instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author ExpertSEOServices
    I have only had experience as a buyer on iWriter and have had pretty poor results. I guess you get what you pay for! I do however have a great team of writers that work for me but its taken me a while to build up quality.

    I think the problem with iWriter is that a lot of the writers there are very poor quality thats perhaps why you are struggling to get work there.

    My suggestions drop your prices a litte $25 per article? Thats VERY expensive for online work.

    Otherwise go to oDesk of Elance you may have more luck there getting more specialized work. Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author MattSchoenherr
      As an iWriter buyer, I have a 76% approval rating. I learned very quickly the lower-tier writers are turning out "English is my second language" junk. Once I stepped up into the Premium and Elite writers, I've not looked back. (Even then, it's amazing some of the Elite writers made it to Elite status.) It takes me much less time to edit those Premium/Elite assignments than the unusable drivel I received from the lower-tier writers.

      My recommendation: Use these services to build a writing portfolio and client base. Then begin offering your best examples as samples of work you can offer to higher-end direct clients.

      You may also be open to trading writing for other services. For instance, I was just approached by a writer who wanted to sell me his articles on SEO and web design. This was palatable, however he wanted $50 per 500-word article! I pointed to services like iWriter and politely declined.

      Then I looked at his website. It was awful. So, I offered to trade him. We would provide him a new, SEO-optimized website for his blog, etc., and even provide free hosting and domain registration, so long as he produced regular high-quality, keyword-targeted articles for us each month. Here's what I wrote him:
      $50 is a lot for a 500-word article these days, you realize. We just had some solid articles produced by some 'elite' writers at iWriter.com and the most those articles cost us was $16.. for 1,000-word articles. Before that, we were using Fiverr and getting some decent quality there. (One Canadian author was on par with your work, even.)

      Your PR0 website needs some serious help, Matt. As a writer, you need a BLOG! (I'm sure you know this and have been thinking about it.) You're doing okay with your outreach (it worked this time, anyways,) but I think a lot more attraction marketing may be in order. You've got the skills, I can see that. Your site isn't working for you, however.

      Maybe we need to talk.

      Maybe you can work off a shiny new, SEO-optimized, Genesis-enabled, Wordpress website in exchange for some posts each week to cover your web development and hosting. We charge $95/hr. We would produce a quote, based on your specifications and negotiate your workload to compensate for it.

      Thoughts?
      At this point he said he would definitely consider it, but that was a couple weeks ago. He had a couple events coming up that were going to make his life busy, but he said he would get back to us. Maybe he actually will.

      There ARE ways to gain value with your writing. Get ready. Social media and content marketing are hot this year, with Google's demotion of backlinks and our previous SEO tricks. You writers need to be making a push to build your client portfolios in the next few months so you can start approaching companies with recurring article offers. I know we are struggling to find the time to ramp up our content. We need help. Others do too.

      In support of your efforts,
      Matt
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