Article Submission / Posting Questions

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Hi all,

I'm still fairly noobish to all of this, so I'll try to keep my post to a couple of questions.

First, about article Publishing / Submission timing. I have read, and understand, that one should post the article to their own site AND have it indexed by Google before submitting it to EZA and other article sites (For this example, I'll just use EZA). But, as it generally takes EZA a few days to OK an article, wouldn't it be more efficient (quicker) to go ahead and submit at the same time as posting on your own site? That way, by the time Google indexes the article, you already have the article site working on their OK. I guess this assumes that the article will be indexed by Google BEFORE EZA accepts the article, which should happen because they normally take 3 - 7 days (or so I've read). Also, I understand that there are ways to speed up the Google Indexing process(?). Still researching that.

Second, I've seen somewhere on this board that someone suggested setting up a sub-domain for posting your articles in, something like articles.mywebsite.com, then you could include links to your main site, or sales page. Heck, now that I think of it, you could even put your own Adsense-like "ads" on the articles page that link to your sales page (?). Any opinions on the whole subdomain thing? Sounds good to me - but what do I know?

Any input on these would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by davidf515 View Post

    as it generally takes EZA a few days to OK an article, wouldn't it be more efficient (quicker) to go ahead and submit at the same time as posting on your own site?
    It might save a few days sometimes, yes. As long as you're sure that (a) Google will index the content on your site regularly and reliably (you can test this?) and (b) Ezine Articles won't speed up.

    I'm not a "premium member" of EZA, but they normally get my articles online within about 8 hours. They don't say this openly (as far as I'm aware), but the reality is that the more regularly you submit to them, and the "better your standing" there, the faster the service you get from them. If you do this regularly, don't expect them always to take their "few days" - this is all I'm saying.

    If you submit one acceptable article per day to EZA, then they're publishing 30 of your articles per month, and who cares whether they take 1 day each or 5 days each? In the long run, it makes no real difference at all.

    Originally Posted by davidf515 View Post

    I've seen somewhere on this board that someone suggested setting up a sub-domain for posting your articles in, something like articles.mywebsite.com, then you could include links to your main site, or sales page. Heck, now that I think of it, you could even put your own Adsense-like "ads" on the articles page that link to your sales page (?). Any opinions on the whole subdomain thing? Sounds good to me - but what do I know?
    Sounds bad/unnecessary to me. But what do I know? (About that, virtually nothing, as it's not something I'd want to do anyway - I want my articles to be on the main part of my site, and linked to through my normal navigation system. I think Google likes that too - but I'm only guessing that, so don't take my word for it!).
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  • Profile picture of the author sandrasims
    This is a great question. In the past I would publish a new article to my website and then publish a different article to EZA which had a link to the first article in the author box.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidf515
      Thanks for the replies. Hi Alexa, I was hoping to hear from you.

      If you submit one acceptable article per day to EZA, then they're publishing 30 of your articles per month, and who cares whether they take 1 day each or 5 days each? In the long run, it makes no real difference at all.
      That makes perfect sense, 30 articles in 35 days vs. 30 articles in 30 days isn't that big a deal.

      Another question: Anne Pottinger, whom you have cited as a knowledgable source, has written that you shouldn't reference ANY product at all in your first 10 posts to EZA, even in the Author Resource Box. I found this surprising. Would this be YOUR recommendation as well? Now, her statement WAS in reference to trying to attain Platinum Level status at EZA, not just general posting. Still, it's something that I hadn't heard before.

      Thanks again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by davidf515 View Post

        Another question: Anne Pottinger, whom you have cited as a knowledgable source, has written that you shouldn't reference ANY product at all in your first 10 posts to EZA, even in the Author Resource Box. I found this surprising. Would this be YOUR recommendation as well?
        It would, and for the same reason as Anne.

        For myself, I'd also go much further (which Anne may also agree with?), and say that I wouldn't (and don't) ever reference any product at all in an EZA article even after the first 10 posts. For the simple reason that the sole purpose in submitting an article to EZA is for publishers to syndicate it, and realistically, I don't envisage anyone syndicating an article that sounds as if it's promoting a product in any way.

        (It would, perhaps, be nice if submitting an article to EZA could also fulfil some other purposes, but the reality is that it can't, for all the reasons exlained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872 ).

        If you're doing article marketing, the idea is to get your articles published as widely as possible, in front of already targeted traffic, not to try to get potential customer traffic from any article directories. <--- This link explains why, in detail.

        No article marketer who understands how article directories work wants potential customers going to an article directory: those copies are there for publishers to find by searching inside the directory (that's why they're called "directories"), not for customers to find by searching with a search engine. Naturally, we want those "searchers" coming straight to our own sites, not finding a link to an article directory (where we'll typically lose most of them!).

        This is, indeed, part of the reason for publishing on our own sites first and only submitting elsewhere after indexation (exactly as you mention yourself, in your original post, above).

        Originally Posted by davidf515 View Post

        Now, her statement WAS in reference to trying to attain Platinum Level status at EZA, not just general posting.
        Sure - I appreciate this. And a very wise move it is, too, to get to Platinum promptly and efficiently without "looking promotional". Once you get to Platinum without "causing an editorial problem", you'll get both better and faster "service" from EZA.

        My point here is that there's another, different reason for not "looking promotional" after that, too - namely that you won't get syndicated if you promote products, or even if you look as if the purpose of your article is to promote one later. And since getting your articles syndicated is the sole reason for submitting them to EZA, that would therefore be about as counterproductive as you can get.

        Articles - in short - are for niches, not for products. I haven't mentioned a product in an article for well over 3 years, and certainly don't intend to again.

        Respectfully, I disagree completely with Sandra's approach described in the post above (#3) for two main reasons: first, I wouldn't submit to EZA a different version of an article on my own site because that would be giving EZA previously unpublished content (which has several disadvantages - including even SEO disadvantages); secondly, I wouldn't normally want to link from an article (in a directory) to another (on my site): I'm an affiliate marketer, so I naturally want the traffic from the syndicated copies of the article going to my landing page. (And I'd say exactly the same if I were a vendor rather than an affiliate, actually).

        We use articles as a way to get traffic from further/better/syndicated copies of them in more relevant places, where the traffic's already been targeted by someone else. I think the thread I've linked to above may clarify quite a bit for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author davidf515
          Thanks again Alexa for your very thorough reply. Much appreciated.

          Yes, I understand that you DON'T try to pitch your product in the article AT ALL. I can see where that would be very unprofessional.

          The article should be as helpful and educational as possible -something that your niche would find really valuable. The whole reason to post an article at EZA in the first place is not to be seen by potential customers, but by potential publishers, who will then use your article on their sites. THEY put it in front of potential customers.

          I was a bit surprised, however, at the notion of NOT referencing any product at all in the Author Resource Box: "David is the author of "Knitting your own Kitten Mittons" and including a link.

          I currently have 1 product to sell (Not Kitten Mittons knitting instructions). Should I NOT reference it in the Resource Box at all - instead just mentioning my site, then try to sell my product to viewers (gently) once they go there to read my articles?

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          • Profile picture of the author mikewithsfi
            Originally Posted by davidf515 View Post


            I currently have 1 product to sell (Not Kitten Mittons knitting instructions). Should I NOT reference it in the Resource Box at all - instead just mentioning my site, then try to sell my product to viewers (gently) once they go there to read my articles?

            Thanks
            I am going to take a stab.. Your resource box is just that, where your resource for the article comes from. If you mention your site in the article that would make the reader believe your website is related to the info in the article. If you write an article about training dogs and your website is about cat litter boxes there is no relevance. SO mentioning your website in the resource box is ok (if there is relevance) and does not come across unprofessional. The two go hand in hand. I hope that makes sense. I was taught that the only time you should mention a product you are selling in the resource or Bio box is if the product is a solution to a problem in the article.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by davidf515 View Post

              I was a bit surprised, however, at the notion of NOT referencing any product at all in the Author Resource Box: "David is the author of "Knitting your own Kitten Mittons" and including a link.
              Yes, I think I see what you mean. (I'm not in that position, myself, not being a vendor, though to be honest I'm also not convinced that "being an affiliate" and "being a vendor" are so different, from this perspective, in article marketing). I just don't know whether that's going to dissuade anyone from re-publishing the article. Something to test, after your first 10 articles?

              I completely see Anne's point that "being apparently non-commercial" can be a quick and reliable way to Platinum, anyway.

              Originally Posted by davidf515 View Post

              Should I NOT reference it in the Resource Box at all - instead just mentioning my site, then try to sell my product to viewers (gently) once they go there to read my articles?
              That would be my guess ... but I don't know for sure what will work best for you!

              Originally Posted by Steve Faber View Post

              Alexa, Have you had a greater problem in the last 12 - 18 months with your bio link not being included?
              Only "pro rata", I think, Steve? Article marketing's been given such a shot in the arm by all those Panda updates and now the Penguin update helping us out, making it easier to rank our own sites, and so on, that everything seems to be "up", as it were. I can't say I've noticed that syndication without the resource-box is "up" by any more than the same proportion? But it might have been, without my noticing?

              (I don't really count crappy autoblogs that can steal your content without a link, because those are mostly schmeckel sites that nobody much ever looks at anyway, they're not really doing you any harm, and they don't typically last long, either? But my impression was that there aren't so many of those about anyway, now, with so many people having learned what a waste of time and space they are? I do send their hosts a standard DMCA notice by email when I can be bothered to "fill in the blanks" in one, so I suppose I'm "doing my bit" to try to keep their numbers down. :rolleyes: )

              Originally Posted by Steve Faber View Post

              I have pretty much bypassed directory submitting entirely now, and targeted syndication opportnities directly. You can leverage your initial successes here, and be eatured in larger and larger publications. I think you do a bit of this already.
              I do, yes. I'm the same, really. I do put a copy of every article in EZA (eventually - that's the last place I put them) but that's about it, for me, on the directory front. I do benefit from that, though.

              Originally Posted by mikewithsfi View Post

              mentioning your website in the resource box is ok (if there is relevance)
              It's essential, isn't it, not just "ok"? What would be the point of circulating an article without a link to your own site? Apologies if I've missed your point, but I don't see how you'd be generating any traffic at all, without your website url/link being there? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Alexa,

    Have you had a greater problem in the last 12 - 18 months with your bio link not being included?

    I have pretty much bypassed directory submitting entirely now, and targeted syndication opportnities directly. You can leverage your initial successes here, and be eatured in larger and larger publications. I think you do a bit of this already.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Paid Surveys View Post

    However in many ways it's doesn't matter, as Google will still penalise you for having duplicate content.
    This is completely wrong.

    It isn't duplicate content at all. It's syndicated content.

    (Not that Google "penalizes" for duplicate content anyway - that's another myth!).

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    Originally Posted by Paid Surveys View Post

    My suggestion would be to write two different articles, one for your site and another to post on article directories.
    This is dreadfully misguided advice, for all the reasons explained above. There's no point in giving an article directory any previously unpublished content. They won't complain about it, but it has many disadvantages for you.

    Originally Posted by Paid Surveys View Post

    you could also consider starting your own in a very specific niche. These article directories seem to be doing quite well spam-link removed to get started
    Thanks for clarifying your reason for posting this nonsense. :rolleyes: :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Geordie John
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      This is dreadfully misguided advice, for all the reasons explained above. There's no point in giving an article directory any previously unpublished content. That has many disadvantages.
      :p
      I was so guilty of this in the past, using article directories primarily for backlinks using original articles to promote some webpage on one of my sites. It used to work too, but not any more.

      Now i am trying to write for syndication... thanks mostly to your advice on this forum Alexa
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Consider that articles themselves can be the primary driver of targeted traffic, particularly when competition is entrenched. The articles I write never even mention a specific product, but rather focus on a specific problem, weakness, hazard, liability, industry legislation, or events affecting bottom line profit which can be remedied or optimized with a particular course of action. My articles are written primarily to be readily and widely accepted for syndication by publications read by my targeted audience.

        This marketing subtlety is extremely powerful. Before you attempt to sell a product, first sell yourself to your target market. For example, if you sell security or alarm systems, position yourself as a security specialist by writing generic articles for businesses on crime statistics, how to secure their premises, protect their employees, internal procedures, community resources, etc. Having demonstrated your knowlege within this niche, you can then boldly claim in your resource box the esteemed "security specialist" title, with a subdued reference to your website for "additional resources, tips, product reviews, etc."

        If done in a non-salesy approach, it will happen frequently that readers will visit your website, read and/or optin for product reviews, and even sell themselves through your affiliate links. And you'll know you've arrived when they ask, "What product would you recommend?". This approach is what beats the competition all-to-hell, especially in the so-called "saturated" niches.
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