Should I name and shame this Warrior?

[Harvey Segal]

OK the rules say I can't name him (yet).

Let's call him Mr C for now.

Here is an example of how he operates.

Two people who are partners do a deal with Mr C worth $110.

Mr C agrees to a $10 cut while the $100 is split between the
two partners. They email him with the details of the split -
say $70 to partner 1, $30 to partner 2.

This seems to work fine 99 times out of a hundred but on the
hundredth time the scam operates.

Instead of sending the agreed allocation he sends the whole
$100 to partner 1 and zero dollars to partner 2.

When questioned he makes an excuse - oh I did not get your
email about the required split, you know how unreliable
email is these days.

Yes - unreliable, my foot. The typical response.

Can you see how Mr C is making money by altering the share
of the payout ?

What are we going to do about this ?

Harvey

[irving]

That's really pathetic and unfair!! I think you should try to convince him!!

[oneempowered]

I know exactly who you're talking about.

Mr. C, Howard Cunningham

Now, if we can somehow tie him to Microsoft, Clickbank, and World Trade Center building 7, we'd have this conspiracy wrapped up!

[jasonl70]

but did partner 2 just assume partner 1 got the entire $100? maybe parner 1 actualy got the 70, and partner 2 is under the assumption the deal never even took place

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by oneempowered

Mr. C, Howard Cunningham

Shouldn't that be Cunningman ?

[jasonl70]

Even though I am not convinced everything is accounted for correctly, this was still funny as hell

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by jasonl70

but did partner 2 just assume partner 1 got the entire $100? maybe parner 1 actualy got the 70, and partner 2 is under the assumption the deal never even took place

No, regardless of whether partner 2 is aware of the deal or not partner 1
always gets $100 when the scam runs.

When he does gets $70 there's a little note about the $30 going to his partner.

Harvey

[jlandells]

Harvey,

I think the most important question is whether any of those involved wear glasses....

Oh, hang on - wrong thread....!

-John.

[Nathan Hangen]

So rather than worry about CB's flawed accounting/tracking system, you start yet another thread to call out the people complaining? I don't get it? What does this accomplish?

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen

So rather than worry about CB's flawed accounting/tracking system, you start yet another thread to call out the people complaining? I don't get it? What does this accomplish?

I raised no such thread.

My thread was about people wearing glasses.

Harvey

[Kim Standerline]

Sometimes Harvey I think your humor is too subtle for some people lol

Kim

Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen

So rather than worry about CB's flawed accounting/tracking system, you start yet another thread to call out the people complaining? I don't get it? What does this accomplish?

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Sometimes Harvey I think your humor is too subtle for some people lol

Kim,

This is no time for humor - while Mr C is roaming around loose
operating this massive scam.

I've now been contacted by a few partner-2s who have
not got their money. I'm advising them to get
video proof of all their dealings before we decide
on the next step. I recommend Camtasia.


And here is a fantastic tip I have just received.

If you are partner-1 then try it with a different partner-2
and see if the scam still operates.

Harvey

[Nathan Hangen]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Sometimes Harvey I think your humor is too subtle for some people lol

Kim

The "humor" makes perfect sense to me, I just don't see the need.

[Kim Standerline]

I think the point Harvey is probably trying to make Nathen is how all the conspiracy theories concerning CB are getting a tad on the ludicrous side.

We all know their tracking system leaves a lot to be desired. (And its one reason why I don't use CB very much) but for a lot of people to suggest they are purposely shaving off money from affiliates sounds uttely ridiculous.

Why on earth would they open themselves up to criminal charges doing this when they make so much money anyway

Kim

Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen

The "humor" makes perfect sense to me, I just don't see the need.

[Nathan Hangen]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

I think the point Harvey is probably trying to make Nathen is how all the conspiracy theories concerning CB are getting a tad on the ludicrous side.

We all know their tracking system leaves a lot to be desired. (And its one reason why I don't use CB very much) but for a lot of people to suggest they are purposely shaving off money from affiliates sounds uttely ridiculous.

Why on earth would they open themselves up to criminal charges doing this when they make so much money anyway

Kim

I agree with you, but #1, this belongs in OT...not here. #2 - there IS a problem and although I don't know if I believe that CB is shaving commissions, I think it warrants complaints. Every week there is a new trend that dominates this forum...just happens to be CB lately.

I agree that a newbie can't blame CB tracking on their lack of sales, but when I see some of the pro's complaining, then I start believing something is up.

This is the 2nd thread Harvey has started related to this...he seems to be an obvious CB defender. I just don't see the point.

[valerieSONORA]

Huh? Ok I barely got any sleep been up since 6am so maybe that's why I'm confused?

Can't Partner 1 give Partner 2 the $30 and it be done with?

Or can this be explained in simpler terms?

And no British humor plz, I couldn't "get" that if my life depended on it. Kim Standerline often talks about British humor and I've yet to see any that's funny.

[valerieSONORA]

Good, at least I'm not the only one. Whew, now I feel better.

[Gene Pimentel]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

OK the rules say I can't name him (yet).

Let's call him Mr C for now.

Here is an example of how he operates.

Two people who are partners do a deal with Mr C worth $110.

Mr C agrees to a $10 cut while the $100 is split between the
two partners. They email him with the details of the split -
say $70 to partner 1, $30 to partner 2.

This seems to work fine 99 times out of a hundred but on the
hundredth time the scam operates.

Instead of sending the agreed allocation he sends the whole
$100 to partner 1 and zero dollars to partner 2.

When questioned he makes an excuse - oh I did not get your
email about the required split, you know how unreliable
email is these days.

Yes - unreliable, my foot. The typical response.

Can you see how Mr C is making money by altering the share
of the payout ?

What are we going to do about this ?

Harvey

So it took me three reads. Funny!

[Kim Standerline]

That's probably because many of Brits us have a somewhat subtle/sick/dark sense of humor

Probably why we find Monty Python so funny (It fits all of the above)

To be honest it took me a while to get his references so if you don't know Harvey works a lot with CB stuff, then it will all go straight over your head

Kim

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Huh? Ok I barely got any sleep been up since 6am so maybe that's why I'm confused?

Can't Partner 1 give Partner 2 the $30 and it be done with?

Or can this be explained in simpler terms?

And no British humor plz, I couldn't "get" that if my life depended on it. Kim Standerline often talks about British humor and I've yet to see any that's funny.

[pearsonbrown]

If you don't get British humour, don't come to any of Harvey's threads. You should know what you're going to get when you see his name. I think they are extremely funny and make good points, even if I don't always agree.

Nathan, you have only been around for a few months. The complaints about Clickbank's tracking have been a feature on here since I first joined. As Kim says, tracking affiliate claims is an inexact science.

What's new are these paranoid claims that Clickbank is somehow 'shaving' money from this. As Harvey has shown in a very funny way, that's nonsense.

Pearson

[Kim Standerline]

Couldn't have put it better myself Grumps

Originally Posted by pearsonbrown

If you don't get British humour, don't come to any of Harvey's threads. You should know what you're going to get when you see his name. I think they are extremely funny and make good points, even if I don't always agree.

Nathan, you have only been around for a few months. The complaints about Clickbank's tracking have been a feature on here since I first joined. As Kim says, tracking afiliate claims is an inexact science.

What's new are these paranoid claims that Clickbank is somehow 'shaving' money from this. As Harvey has shown in a very funny way, that's nonsense.

Pearson

[valerieSONORA]

Oh so this thread was a joke?

Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to. There should be a disclaimer before Briitsh humor because I am not capable of getting it and I end up confused after I find out it's supposed to be funny.

It's like teaching a non math person calculus. Not gonna happen.

[valerieSONORA]

Originally Posted by pearsonbrown

If you don't get British humour, don't come to any of Harvey's threads.

I'll remember that.

There is also an Off Topic forum.

[Nathan Hangen]

He is basically saying that if you aren't getting credit for a commission, the product owner is getting 100% of the money in your stead, therefore CB is not benefiting by you not getting credit.

The only way to really test this is if you are a product owner and someone buys through an affiliate link to see how the money was dispersed.

I agree that Harvey makes a good point, but I don't think he's trying to make a point here. I think that just like his other thread, he is poking fun at people that don't know any better. My question is, rather than poke fun or post OT content in the main forum, why not just make a post that educates people rather than trying to gather attention by making fun of them?

[pearsonbrown]

I've met Harvey several times. He is the gentlest of people and a kind considerate person.

What you seem to be attacking here is a British style of humour that you don't understand. All I can say to you is that Harvey has been posting this type of thread in this forum since I first joined. I get the impression that the Monkey God finds him funny so you'll just have to learn to ignore the Harvey threads.

Pearson

[Steven Wagenheim]

OMG...I finally get it.

Thanks Harvey, this really does show how stupid the conspiracy theories
are.

Wow...took me a while on this one.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Probably why we find Monty Python so funny (It fits all of the above)

Hey, some of us less-fortunate-in-the-humor-department Americans find
Monty Python funny too.

Of course we'd also laugh at an asteroid taking out the North Pole.

[MikeAmbrosio]

Whenever I open a Harvey thread I KNOW it's going to be some form of humour. But he's so darn good I often miss it.

With this one, I had to read it twice because I have not really been following the CB "conspiracy" threads all that closely because I don't think there IS a conspiracy. Bad tracking maybe.

As for whether this should be OT, I don't think so. Sometimes I think a certain group of people take themselves WAY too seriously and should lighten up.

No one in particular. And just my own observation.

Thanks for the smile Harvey!

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Oh so this thread was a joke?

Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to. There should be a disclaimer before Briitsh humor because I am not capable of getting it and I end up confused after I find out it's supposed to be funny.

It's like teaching a non math person calculus. Not gonna happen.

I don't always get British humour either, but I think one of the reasons it's so good IS the fact that it can be so subtle that if you aren't paying attention, it will fly over your head.

My wife is a huge Black Adder fan, but I must admit - it never grew on me. Benny Hill? That's another story. I found him funny even when I was 12 and used to catch him on our local PBS channel!

[Frank Donovan]

Warriors in the US shouldn't feel inferior about not getting so-called "British Humour". We've also given the world such unsubtle inventions as "'Allo 'Allo" and "Are You Being Served"

And great shows like "Seinfeld" and "Larry Sanders" prove that sublety in comedy isn't just a British trait.

OK, now back to the thread..




Frank

[arjana]

You should name him harry, sounds dodgy




chris wilson

[Will Edwards]

Flippin eck Harvey!

You nearly always get me, first time, with these cunning little ploys. I am going to propose to Allen that he changes the Warrior Forum rules so that if you post these things in the future, you will be required to add the text 'boom-boom!' afterward.

Will

[Nathan Hangen]

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

Wow, he really is good.

There are CB conspiracy threads popping up all over the main forum lately. Is it the humor in this one that suddenly makes it OT?

Tina G

Originally Posted by pearsonbrown

I've met Harvey several times. He is the gentlest of people and a kind considerate person.

What you seem to be attacking here is a British style of humour that you don't understand. All I can say to you is that Harvey has been posting this type of thread in this forum since I first joined. I get the impression that the Monkey God finds him funny so you'll just have to learn to ignore the Harvey threads.

Pearson

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Whenever I open a Harvey thread I KNOW it's going to be some form of humour. But he's so darn good I often miss it.

With this one, I had to read it twice because I have not really been following the CB "conspiracy" threads all that closely because I don't think there IS a conspiracy. Bad tracking maybe.

As for whether this should be OT, I don't think so. Sometimes I think a certain group of people take themselves WAY too seriously and should lighten up.

No one in particular. And just my own observation.

Thanks for the smile Harvey!

I don't really think I'm attacking him...if it weren't for the other thread about glasses, then I would have just laughed along with this one (although I still don't find humor in it, must be the British thing I guess).

I've just noticed a pattern of CB defending from this particular fellow...

Anyway, maybe I just had a bad day (didn't really, but that's my excuse).

[Scott Ames]

Yikes.. I spent way too much time trying to figure this one out only to discover that its humor. Now I get it, but it took a while. Well, I think I get it.

[bombdiggity]

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Oh so this thread was a joke?

Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to. There should be a disclaimer before Briitsh humor because I am not capable of getting it and I end up confused after I find out it's supposed to be funny.

It's like teaching a non math person calculus. Not gonna happen.

Have you seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Don't entirely dismiss British humor unless you have. I'm an American and it's one of my favorite films.

[MikeAmbrosio]

Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen

I don't really think I'm attacking him...if it weren't for the other thread about glasses, then I would have just laughed along with this one (although I still don't find humor in it, must be the British thing I guess).

I've just noticed a pattern of CB defending from this particular fellow...

Anyway, maybe I just had a bad day (didn't really, but that's my excuse).

Harvey has made a lot of money FOR and WITH Clickbank so he has an interest.

I didn't see anything resembling an attack from you. More like you were annoyed

But so what if he's defending them? You will always have people on both sides of an issue. When someone comes out with something negative about someone or some entity, you will have people defending. in fact, you should expect it. And they have as much right to start threads as anyone - even if it IS dry (excuse me...SUBTLE) humor (humour)

[Nathan Hangen]

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Harvey has made a lot of money FOR and WITH Clickbank so he has an interest.

I didn't see anything resembling an attack from you. More like you were annoyed

But so what if he's defending them? You will always have people on both sides of an issue. When someone comes out with something negative about someone or some entity, you will have people defending. in fact, you should expect it. And they have as much right to start threads as anyone - even if it IS dry (excuse me...SUBTLE) humor (humour)

That's what I'm talking about...someone that get's straight to the point

I appreciate that.

I don't have a problem with people defending CB, but to me this thread (combined with the glasses one), was an attempt to poke fun at the conspiracy theorists. Again, that's fine...but why are we ignoring the problem? I'm getting the feeling that Harvey either works for CB or doesn't think there is a problem and I think this "subtle humor" is doing more harm than good.

Now granted, these "Clickbank is stealing my $$$" threads are getting out of hand too.

I guess I'm just looking for solutions rather than complaining or joke making and being that Harvey is a smart guy that knows a thing or two about this business, I expect more of him than to make fun of a situation.

Maybe this thread is meant to be a lesson in British humor, I have no idea

[jasonl70]

What if Mr C has several assitants whom he balances his load of work too..

• One assitant is sometimes unable to even complete the transactions.
• Another is scatter brained and sometimes loses track of one of the partners.
• Another is sometimes unable to cope when his workload starts to back up

Mr C isn't profiting from this.. but he's still making a mint, and doesn't bother trying to fix the problems. To make matters worse, when things really hit the fan, he might admit that there was a 'small problem' in the back office - but of course, everyone got paid what they were supposed to be paid.

Some of his customers are livid because they spend a lot of money bringing deals to him and say he needs to run a much tighter ship, others simply shrug their shoulders and say that's just the cost of doing business with him, and yet others say the problems don't even exist (this includes a lot of the people who make a living teaching others how to do business with mr c).

[IMChick]

Great way to focus on the problem by couching it in consipracy theorist humor. So now what do we do?

[Will Edwards]

Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

Oh so this thread was a joke?

Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to.

Not always!

Will

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

OK the rules say I can't name him (yet).

Let's call him Mr C for now.

Harvey,

This is such a relief. After reading the title, I thought you were talking about me.

Eric

[jasonl70]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Why on earth would they open themselves up to criminal charges doing this when they make so much money anyway

illogical??? yes
but it happens all the time. With people and companies much more well known and respected then the party being discussed.

Bernie Maddoff anyone? How about the endless stream of polticians who undertake self-destructive behavior (sometimes even presidents with interns!)

edit: OJ, mike tyson, Michael Vick, bernie ebbers, kenneth lay, numerous kennedy's, hugh grant, Governor Blagojevich - just a handfull of people off the top of my mind who risked a lot by doing stupid things that they should have known better then to do.

[Wayne]

I think Harvey is just getting tired of, as I am also, all of the threads of people
complaining about Clickbank problems. I'm sure there are some sales that don't get
tracked, happens with all networks and not just Clickbank. But the complaints about
shaving lately are just ridiculous. I am just going to copy a post here that I made on
another forum:

"I don't even do hardly any promotions with Clickbank anymore, so don't
know why I even get involved in these discussions. But I made my
living just promoting Clickbank products from 2000-2005, and will always
be grateful to them for that, and for that I will always treat them like family.
I do know during the times I was promoting them, there have always
been people posting on forums that something is wrong. And when you
find out how many sales a LOT of these people are making, it is like
1 or 2 sales a day. With that few sales, it would not be unusual at all to go
many days without a sale. Or someone may be using PPC to promote,
and may get new competition and have a change in their position in the
PPC results, and this can have a dramatic change in conversions. Or
just one of my own thoughts here, but sometimes it may be someone
that has been booted off of Clickbank for doing something against the
rules, and trying to get revenge.
I know when I was doing promotions back then, somedays I might get
10 sales, some days 25 sales, some days maybe 40 sales, and yes there were
days when I would only get 2 or 3 sales. There are always fluctuations
from day to day, and someone only making a few sales here and there
is not making enough sales to even talk about fluctuations."

[reynald2790]

It is very unfair to partner 2 because he worked hard for his project. But, suddenly he haven't receive the payout. It is very disgusting to hear about that. Maybe, you could try to ask what is the reason why he haven't paid partner 2 for his part. So, that we can surely know what is the real cause of it.

[Jayjay Ghostwriter]

I honestly don't know what you guys are arguing about as I'm still in shock...

Mr. C is a Warrior?!

[Emailrevealer]

A lot of people accidently delete emails before reading them.

[Ken Strong]

AWeber or GetResponse?

[joe.marsh]

You can paint a zebra any color you want but at sometime its strips will start to show. It's the same way with people. Their true colors always come out.

Why not just move on and not put your energy into it. Just chalk it up to a learning experience.

Joe

[Chris W. Sutton]

Okay, I don't get it. First off, how many partners are there? Do most of the partners have a mamma? If partner 2 didn't not get the money, what did he have for breakfast the next day? AND in the long run, what does any of this have to do with a snake named Monty? I've heard of the "Full Monty" but I thought that was just what they started calling Ken Leatherman after he sent out the notorious "Shower Door" pictures. Those were so bad that they even shocked Kim Standerline's sensibilities. That takes some doing!

Somehow, I think the original post was made tongue-in-cheek and that is what you would expect from someone who was named after an ocean bird! I'm going back to my Spongebob Squarepants!

[Martin.Avis]

Some say that he is a master of satire second only to Enid Blyton.

Some say that his wit and insight transcend mere geographic boundaries and have been discussed in hushed tones by philosophers and philanderers as far afield as Aldebaron and Andromeda.

Some say that if he were to sit cross-legged and chant the mantra 'IM Mani Puddy Kern' twelve and a half times he would float on water.

Those of us who know him are blessed to call him The Segal.