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Should I name and shame this Warrior?

by Harvey Segal
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OK the rules say I can't name him (yet).

Let's call him Mr C for now.

Here is an example of how he operates.

Two people who are partners do a deal with Mr C worth $110.

Mr C agrees to a $10 cut while the $100 is split between the
two partners. They email him with the details of the split -
say $70 to partner 1, $30 to partner 2.

This seems to work fine 99 times out of a hundred but on the
hundredth time the scam operates.

Instead of sending the agreed allocation he sends the whole
$100 to partner 1 and zero dollars to partner 2.

When questioned he makes an excuse - oh I did not get your
email about the required split, you know how unreliable
email is these days.

Yes - unreliable, my foot. The typical response.

Can you see how Mr C is making money by altering the share
of the payout ?

What are we going to do about this ?

Harvey
#shame #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author irving
    That's really pathetic and unfair!! I think you should try to convince him!!
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  • Profile picture of the author oneempowered
    I know exactly who you're talking about.


    Mr. C, Howard Cunningham

    Now, if we can somehow tie him to Microsoft, Clickbank, and World Trade Center building 7, we'd have this conspiracy wrapped up!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    but did partner 2 just assume partner 1 got the entire $100? maybe parner 1 actualy got the 70, and partner 2 is under the assumption the deal never even took place
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    Even though I am not convinced everything is accounted for correctly, this was still funny as hell
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      but did partner 2 just assume partner 1 got the entire $100? maybe parner 1 actualy got the 70, and partner 2 is under the assumption the deal never even took place
      No, regardless of whether partner 2 is aware of the deal or not partner 1
      always gets $100 when the scam runs.

      When he does gets $70 there's a little note about the $30 going to his partner.

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  • Profile picture of the author jlandells
    Harvey,

    I think the most important question is whether any of those involved wear glasses....

    Oh, hang on - wrong thread....!

    -John.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
      So rather than worry about CB's flawed accounting/tracking system, you start yet another thread to call out the people complaining? I don't get it? What does this accomplish?
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      • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        So rather than worry about CB's flawed accounting/tracking system, you start yet another thread to call out the people complaining? I don't get it? What does this accomplish?
        I raised no such thread.

        My thread was about people wearing glasses.

        Harvey
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        Sometimes Harvey I think your humor is too subtle for some people lol

        Kim

        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        So rather than worry about CB's flawed accounting/tracking system, you start yet another thread to call out the people complaining? I don't get it? What does this accomplish?
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        • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
          Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

          Sometimes Harvey I think your humor is too subtle for some people lol
          Kim,

          This is no time for humor - while Mr C is roaming around loose
          operating this massive scam.

          I've now been contacted by a few partner-2s who have
          not got their money. I'm advising them to get
          video proof of all their dealings before we decide
          on the next step. I recommend Camtasia.


          And here is a fantastic tip I have just received.

          If you are partner-1 then try it with a different partner-2
          and see if the scam still operates.

          Harvey
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
          Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

          Sometimes Harvey I think your humor is too subtle for some people lol

          Kim

          The "humor" makes perfect sense to me, I just don't see the need.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
            I think the point Harvey is probably trying to make Nathen is how all the conspiracy theories concerning CB are getting a tad on the ludicrous side.

            We all know their tracking system leaves a lot to be desired. (And its one reason why I don't use CB very much) but for a lot of people to suggest they are purposely shaving off money from affiliates sounds uttely ridiculous.

            Why on earth would they open themselves up to criminal charges doing this when they make so much money anyway

            Kim

            Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

            The "humor" makes perfect sense to me, I just don't see the need.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
              Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

              I think the point Harvey is probably trying to make Nathen is how all the conspiracy theories concerning CB are getting a tad on the ludicrous side.

              We all know their tracking system leaves a lot to be desired. (And its one reason why I don't use CB very much) but for a lot of people to suggest they are purposely shaving off money from affiliates sounds uttely ridiculous.

              Why on earth would they open themselves up to criminal charges doing this when they make so much money anyway

              Kim

              I agree with you, but #1, this belongs in OT...not here. #2 - there IS a problem and although I don't know if I believe that CB is shaving commissions, I think it warrants complaints. Every week there is a new trend that dominates this forum...just happens to be CB lately.

              I agree that a newbie can't blame CB tracking on their lack of sales, but when I see some of the pro's complaining, then I start believing something is up.

              This is the 2nd thread Harvey has started related to this...he seems to be an obvious CB defender. I just don't see the point.
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            • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
              Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

              Why on earth would they open themselves up to criminal charges doing this when they make so much money anyway
              illogical??? yes
              but it happens all the time. With people and companies much more well known and respected then the party being discussed.

              Bernie Maddoff anyone? How about the endless stream of polticians who undertake self-destructive behavior (sometimes even presidents with interns!)

              edit: OJ, mike tyson, Michael Vick, bernie ebbers, kenneth lay, numerous kennedy's, hugh grant, Governor Blagojevich - just a handfull of people off the top of my mind who risked a lot by doing stupid things that they should have known better then to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author arjana
      You should name him harry, sounds dodgy




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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Huh? Ok I barely got any sleep been up since 6am so maybe that's why I'm confused?

    Can't Partner 1 give Partner 2 the $30 and it be done with?

    Or can this be explained in simpler terms?

    And no British humor plz, I couldn't "get" that if my life depended on it. Kim Standerline often talks about British humor and I've yet to see any that's funny.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      That's probably because many of Brits us have a somewhat subtle/sick/dark sense of humor

      Probably why we find Monty Python so funny (It fits all of the above)

      To be honest it took me a while to get his references so if you don't know Harvey works a lot with CB stuff, then it will all go straight over your head

      Kim

      Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

      Huh? Ok I barely got any sleep been up since 6am so maybe that's why I'm confused?

      Can't Partner 1 give Partner 2 the $30 and it be done with?

      Or can this be explained in simpler terms?

      And no British humor plz, I couldn't "get" that if my life depended on it. Kim Standerline often talks about British humor and I've yet to see any that's funny.
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    Good, at least I'm not the only one. Whew, now I feel better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

    OK the rules say I can't name him (yet).

    Let's call him Mr C for now.

    Here is an example of how he operates.

    Two people who are partners do a deal with Mr C worth $110.

    Mr C agrees to a $10 cut while the $100 is split between the
    two partners. They email him with the details of the split -
    say $70 to partner 1, $30 to partner 2.

    This seems to work fine 99 times out of a hundred but on the
    hundredth time the scam operates.

    Instead of sending the agreed allocation he sends the whole
    $100 to partner 1 and zero dollars to partner 2.

    When questioned he makes an excuse - oh I did not get your
    email about the required split, you know how unreliable
    email is these days.

    Yes - unreliable, my foot. The typical response.

    Can you see how Mr C is making money by altering the share
    of the payout ?

    What are we going to do about this ?

    Harvey
    So it took me three reads. Funny!
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    If you don't get British humour, don't come to any of Harvey's threads. You should know what you're going to get when you see his name. I think they are extremely funny and make good points, even if I don't always agree.

    Nathan, you have only been around for a few months. The complaints about Clickbank's tracking have been a feature on here since I first joined. As Kim says, tracking affiliate claims is an inexact science.

    What's new are these paranoid claims that Clickbank is somehow 'shaving' money from this. As Harvey has shown in a very funny way, that's nonsense.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      Couldn't have put it better myself Grumps

      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      If you don't get British humour, don't come to any of Harvey's threads. You should know what you're going to get when you see his name. I think they are extremely funny and make good points, even if I don't always agree.

      Nathan, you have only been around for a few months. The complaints about Clickbank's tracking have been a feature on here since I first joined. As Kim says, tracking afiliate claims is an inexact science.

      What's new are these paranoid claims that Clickbank is somehow 'shaving' money from this. As Harvey has shown in a very funny way, that's nonsense.

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    • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      If you don't get British humour, don't come to any of Harvey's threads.
      I'll remember that.

      There is also an Off Topic forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
        He is basically saying that if you aren't getting credit for a commission, the product owner is getting 100% of the money in your stead, therefore CB is not benefiting by you not getting credit.

        The only way to really test this is if you are a product owner and someone buys through an affiliate link to see how the money was dispersed.

        I agree that Harvey makes a good point, but I don't think he's trying to make a point here. I think that just like his other thread, he is poking fun at people that don't know any better. My question is, rather than poke fun or post OT content in the main forum, why not just make a post that educates people rather than trying to gather attention by making fun of them?
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        • Profile picture of the author Charles E. White
          Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

          He is basically saying that if you aren't getting credit for a commission, the product owner is getting 100% of the money in your stead, therefore CB is not benefiting by you not getting credit.

          The only way to really test this is if you are a product owner and someone buys through an affiliate link to see how the money was dispersed.

          I agree that Harvey makes a good point, but I don't think he's trying to make a point here. I think that just like his other thread, he is poking fun at people that don't know any better. My question is, rather than poke fun or post OT content in the main forum, why not just make a post that educates people rather than trying to gather attention by making fun of them?
          Nathan, you really don't understand Harvey, he isn't making fun of any people in particular, he is stating how things just don't add-up and make sense that people posts about here in the forum. Harvey, from what I know about him, is one of the nicest people around.
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          • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
            Originally Posted by Charles E. White View Post

            Nathan, you really don't understand Harvey, he isn't making fun of any people in particular, he is stating how things just don't add-up and make sense that people posts about here in the forum. Harvey, from what I know about him, is one of the nicest people around.
            That may be true, in fact it probably is. However, sometimes perception is reality and I guarantee you that I'm not the only one giving the old WTF on this one...no harm no foul
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Oh so this thread was a joke? :rolleyes:

    Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to. There should be a disclaimer before Briitsh humor because I am not capable of getting it and I end up confused after I find out it's supposed to be funny.

    It's like teaching a non math person calculus. Not gonna happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

      Oh so this thread was a joke? :rolleyes:

      Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to. There should be a disclaimer before Briitsh humor because I am not capable of getting it and I end up confused after I find out it's supposed to be funny.

      It's like teaching a non math person calculus. Not gonna happen.
      I don't always get British humour either, but I think one of the reasons it's so good IS the fact that it can be so subtle that if you aren't paying attention, it will fly over your head.

      My wife is a huge Black Adder fan, but I must admit - it never grew on me. Benny Hill? That's another story. I found him funny even when I was 12 and used to catch him on our local PBS channel!
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Warriors in the US shouldn't feel inferior about not getting so-called "British Humour". We've also given the world such unsubtle inventions as "'Allo 'Allo" and "Are You Being Served"

        And great shows like "Seinfeld" and "Larry Sanders" prove that sublety in comedy isn't just a British trait.

        OK, now back to the thread..




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    • Profile picture of the author bombdiggity
      Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

      Oh so this thread was a joke? :rolleyes:

      Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to. There should be a disclaimer before Briitsh humor because I am not capable of getting it and I end up confused after I find out it's supposed to be funny.

      It's like teaching a non math person calculus. Not gonna happen.
      Have you seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Don't entirely dismiss British humor unless you have. I'm an American and it's one of my favorite films.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

      Oh so this thread was a joke? :rolleyes:

      Can I ask is British humor supposed to be funny? I've tried to find the "funny" in British humor but have not been able to.
      Not always!

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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I've met Harvey several times. He is the gentlest of people and a kind considerate person.

    What you seem to be attacking here is a British style of humour that you don't understand. All I can say to you is that Harvey has been posting this type of thread in this forum since I first joined. I get the impression that the Monkey God finds him funny so you'll just have to learn to ignore the Harvey threads.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      OMG...I finally get it.

      Thanks Harvey, this really does show how stupid the conspiracy theories
      are.

      Wow...took me a while on this one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Probably why we find Monty Python so funny (It fits all of the above)
        Hey, some of us less-fortunate-in-the-humor-department Americans find
        Monty Python funny too.

        Of course we'd also laugh at an asteroid taking out the North Pole.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Whenever I open a Harvey thread I KNOW it's going to be some form of humour. But he's so darn good I often miss it.

    With this one, I had to read it twice because I have not really been following the CB "conspiracy" threads all that closely because I don't think there IS a conspiracy. Bad tracking maybe.

    As for whether this should be OT, I don't think so. Sometimes I think a certain group of people take themselves WAY too seriously and should lighten up.

    No one in particular. And just my own observation.

    Thanks for the smile Harvey!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
      Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

      Wow, he really is good.

      There are CB conspiracy threads popping up all over the main forum lately. Is it the humor in this one that suddenly makes it OT?

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      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      I've met Harvey several times. He is the gentlest of people and a kind considerate person.

      What you seem to be attacking here is a British style of humour that you don't understand. All I can say to you is that Harvey has been posting this type of thread in this forum since I first joined. I get the impression that the Monkey God finds him funny so you'll just have to learn to ignore the Harvey threads.

      Pearson
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Whenever I open a Harvey thread I KNOW it's going to be some form of humour. But he's so darn good I often miss it.

      With this one, I had to read it twice because I have not really been following the CB "conspiracy" threads all that closely because I don't think there IS a conspiracy. Bad tracking maybe.

      As for whether this should be OT, I don't think so. Sometimes I think a certain group of people take themselves WAY too seriously and should lighten up.

      No one in particular. And just my own observation.

      Thanks for the smile Harvey!

      I don't really think I'm attacking him...if it weren't for the other thread about glasses, then I would have just laughed along with this one (although I still don't find humor in it, must be the British thing I guess).

      I've just noticed a pattern of CB defending from this particular fellow...

      Anyway, maybe I just had a bad day (didn't really, but that's my excuse).
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

        I don't really think I'm attacking him...if it weren't for the other thread about glasses, then I would have just laughed along with this one (although I still don't find humor in it, must be the British thing I guess).

        I've just noticed a pattern of CB defending from this particular fellow...

        Anyway, maybe I just had a bad day (didn't really, but that's my excuse).

        Harvey has made a lot of money FOR and WITH Clickbank so he has an interest.

        I didn't see anything resembling an attack from you. More like you were annoyed

        But so what if he's defending them? You will always have people on both sides of an issue. When someone comes out with something negative about someone or some entity, you will have people defending. in fact, you should expect it. And they have as much right to start threads as anyone - even if it IS dry (excuse me...SUBTLE) humor (humour)
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Harvey has made a lot of money FOR and WITH Clickbank so he has an interest.

          I didn't see anything resembling an attack from you. More like you were annoyed

          But so what if he's defending them? You will always have people on both sides of an issue. When someone comes out with something negative about someone or some entity, you will have people defending. in fact, you should expect it. And they have as much right to start threads as anyone - even if it IS dry (excuse me...SUBTLE) humor (humour)

          That's what I'm talking about...someone that get's straight to the point

          I appreciate that.

          I don't have a problem with people defending CB, but to me this thread (combined with the glasses one), was an attempt to poke fun at the conspiracy theorists. Again, that's fine...but why are we ignoring the problem? I'm getting the feeling that Harvey either works for CB or doesn't think there is a problem and I think this "subtle humor" is doing more harm than good.

          Now granted, these "Clickbank is stealing my $$$" threads are getting out of hand too.

          I guess I'm just looking for solutions rather than complaining or joke making and being that Harvey is a smart guy that knows a thing or two about this business, I expect more of him than to make fun of a situation.

          Maybe this thread is meant to be a lesson in British humor, I have no idea
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Flippin eck Harvey!

    You nearly always get me, first time, with these cunning little ploys. I am going to propose to Allen that he changes the Warrior Forum rules so that if you post these things in the future, you will be required to add the text 'boom-boom!' afterward.

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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      What if Mr C has several assitants whom he balances his load of work too..
      • One assitant is sometimes unable to even complete the transactions.
      • Another is scatter brained and sometimes loses track of one of the partners.
      • Another is sometimes unable to cope when his workload starts to back up

      Mr C isn't profiting from this.. but he's still making a mint, and doesn't bother trying to fix the problems. To make matters worse, when things really hit the fan, he might admit that there was a 'small problem' in the back office - but of course, everyone got paid what they were supposed to be paid.

      Some of his customers are livid because they spend a lot of money bringing deals to him and say he needs to run a much tighter ship, others simply shrug their shoulders and say that's just the cost of doing business with him, and yet others say the problems don't even exist (this includes a lot of the people who make a living teaching others how to do business with mr c).
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Yikes.. I spent way too much time trying to figure this one out only to discover that its humor. Now I get it, but it took a while. Well, I think I get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMChick
    Great way to focus on the problem by couching it in consipracy theorist humor. So now what do we do?
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
    Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

    OK the rules say I can't name him (yet).

    Let's call him Mr C for now.
    Harvey,

    This is such a relief. After reading the title, I thought you were talking about me.

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  • Profile picture of the author Wayne
    I think Harvey is just getting tired of, as I am also, all of the threads of people
    complaining about Clickbank problems. I'm sure there are some sales that don't get
    tracked, happens with all networks and not just Clickbank. But the complaints about
    shaving lately are just ridiculous. I am just going to copy a post here that I made on
    another forum:

    "I don't even do hardly any promotions with Clickbank anymore, so don't
    know why I even get involved in these discussions. But I made my
    living just promoting Clickbank products from 2000-2005, and will always
    be grateful to them for that, and for that I will always treat them like family.
    I do know during the times I was promoting them, there have always
    been people posting on forums that something is wrong. And when you
    find out how many sales a LOT of these people are making, it is like
    1 or 2 sales a day. With that few sales, it would not be unusual at all to go
    many days without a sale. Or someone may be using PPC to promote,
    and may get new competition and have a change in their position in the
    PPC results, and this can have a dramatic change in conversions. Or
    just one of my own thoughts here, but sometimes it may be someone
    that has been booted off of Clickbank for doing something against the
    rules, and trying to get revenge.
    I know when I was doing promotions back then, somedays I might get
    10 sales, some days 25 sales, some days maybe 40 sales, and yes there were
    days when I would only get 2 or 3 sales. There are always fluctuations
    from day to day, and someone only making a few sales here and there
    is not making enough sales to even talk about fluctuations."
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    It is very unfair to partner 2 because he worked hard for his project. But, suddenly he haven't receive the payout. It is very disgusting to hear about that. Maybe, you could try to ask what is the reason why he haven't paid partner 2 for his part. So, that we can surely know what is the real cause of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayjay Ghostwriter
    I honestly don't know what you guys are arguing about as I'm still in shock...

    Mr. C is a Warrior?!
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    You can paint a zebra any color you want but at sometime its strips will start to show. It's the same way with people. Their true colors always come out.

    Why not just move on and not put your energy into it. Just chalk it up to a learning experience.

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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      Some say that he is a master of satire second only to Enid Blyton.

      Some say that his wit and insight transcend mere geographic boundaries and have been discussed in hushed tones by philosophers and philanderers as far afield as Aldebaron and Andromeda.

      Some say that if he were to sit cross-legged and chant the mantra 'IM Mani Puddy Kern' twelve and a half times he would float on water.

      Those of us who know him are blessed to call him The Segal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Okay, I don't get it. First off, how many partners are there? Do most of the partners have a mamma? If partner 2 didn't not get the money, what did he have for breakfast the next day? AND in the long run, what does any of this have to do with a snake named Monty? I've heard of the "Full Monty" but I thought that was just what they started calling Ken Leatherman after he sent out the notorious "Shower Door" pictures. Those were so bad that they even shocked Kim Standerline's sensibilities. That takes some doing!

    Somehow, I think the original post was made tongue-in-cheek and that is what you would expect from someone who was named after an ocean bird! I'm going back to my Spongebob Squarepants!
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  • Profile picture of the author thinkrich
    Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy!! I wear glasses!

    AND I'm a Monty Python fan.

    And I'm Australian!

    So that makes me.....

    TOTALLY AWESOME!!!



    I used to be associated with some MLM (dirty word for some, yeah I know) companies that operated online & offline. Now for some reason, or some slick tongue wagging, a person by the pseudonym of "Wreckingball" somehow got associated with many of these companies. They operated for a profit for sometime, but "Wreckingball" put an end to all that and just moved to another company...to skim some more....
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  • Profile picture of the author derrickp
    I always want be partner #1 or Mr C, partner #2 seems like the one who doesn't get paid some of the time. Partner #1 seems to get paid all of the time and so does Mr C. Hmm....
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