How long should a book on Kindle be based on words?

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Does 2,000 words for a short romance story on Kindle seem like a good amount, or should it be longer? What do you guys think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    At that length you might want to consider releasing it as a Kindle Single not as a book. That is very short.

    At 2,000 words selling for $0.99 would be the highest amount you would want to charge. Anything higher and you would probably have an extremely high return rate on the book.
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    • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      At that length you might want to consider releasing it as a Kindle Single not as a book. That is very short.

      At 2,000 words selling for $0.99 would be the highest amount you would want to charge. Anything higher and you would probably have an extremely high return rate on the book.
      Do you mean as a ebook? I actually meant for ebooks and not really as a book that would be published in hardbound copy or anything like that. Thanks for your help.
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  • Profile picture of the author plongmire
    2000 is pretty short...I would at least try to get to 10 pages...I release short articles all the time...but they are anywhere between 10-20 pages and I charge .99-2.99 depending on content and subject...that would be 12 times font...

    I am thinking 2000 words is around five pages correct?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisha5684
    I agree, I would aim for at least 10 pages for a substantial story that someone would pay for.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanGillam
    Why not come up with multiple stories then form a book of them? If you try and bulk up your existing 2,000 words you are going to create something that is pretty poor, most of it will be filler!
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    1$ max. should be the price. Actually I am not interested in Kindle
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      2,000 words is about 6-7 pages when formatted for a pocket paperback. Barely a short chapter.

      Awhile back, I did some word count estimates on a random selection from the carton of Harlequin romances my wife keeps around. Average length was around 50-70,000 words. Sale price of the physical books was ~$5, so ebooks that length likely ~$3.

      At 2,000 words, for fiction, $1 might be pushing things.

      Someone mentioned creating a collection. If you can't produce a full-fledged novel, this is probably your best bet. 15-20 stories of the length you have sounds about right to me.

      (I'm basing my opinion on observing my wife's behavior as a consumer in the genre.)
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      • Profile picture of the author KenJ
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


        (I'm basing my opinion on observing my wife's behavior as a consumer in the genre.)
        Come on John, Are you sure you haven't picked up one of those romantic fiction books and had a peep?

        Back to the thread.

        2000 words is, in my opinion, pitiful when talking about books. It's a short story at best.

        I read 2 or 3 books a week on my Kindle and I expect a story with a plot that has time to twist and turn a little.
        I also like interesting characters that capture my imagination.
        Then there are the locations that the events take place in . Well chosen and relevant to the characters.

        In terms of word count this has to be between 10,000 and 100,000 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author SOCAL777
    2000 words seems really short. I'd price it dirt cheap.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      To me, instinctively, 2,000 words sounds like a "long article". I think I'd be trying to make it longer, or perhaps including other things with it, too. A collection of perhaps 20 of them might sell for $2.99?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    You should shoot for a minimum of 10,000 words and even that is on the low side for a short book.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan J
    What ever happened to - "It's the Quality, not the Quantity." ?

    It all really depends on what niche you target in my opinion. For me, I have many books within the cooking niche (before you say the P word...NO, it's not PLR ).

    I aim for around 30 recipes (excluding introduction and what not) and I am normally left with around 8000 words. I've sold them for $3.99 a piece and they have sold like hot-cakes.

    You will always get refunds, that's business, but as long as you are not ripping them off and are providing Quality content, then you shouldn't have a problem.

    Remember: Don't chase the money. Chase value!
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I don't remember where I heard this... But....
    Your written works should be treated like a lady's skirt...

    It should be short enough to attract attention, and long enough to cover the essentials...
    I aim for 10 to 20,000 words at the low end.
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    • Profile picture of the author xparte
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I don't remember where I heard this... But....
      Your written works should be treated like a lady's skirt...

      It should be short enough to attract attention, and long enough to cover the essentials...
      Wow, this deserves to be made into a quote of the day. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    2000 words isn't even literary foreplay.

    I'm actually working on a short story for Kindle right now. It stands at a little more than 7000 words and is about half finished. I've spent the last three days writing the back story and the setup for the climax.

    I'm getting really close to where the real action starts. That's when I get excited because it's hard to tell what these characters are about to do. There's a feisty young woman in this thing and she's got her own ideas about the way things should be. She's right, BTW but no one sees that yet. She's almost always right but comes across very tactfully. I wasn't sure I liked her much when I started but she's won me over.

    I've got a feeling she's gonna be smiling when all's said and done while everyone else is going to be eternally grateful.
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  • Profile picture of the author dviraz
    it depends on the content but I think that at least 5,000 words required, hire a freelancer that would help you develop your idea
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Dan J View Post

      What ever happened to - "It's the Quality, not the Quantity." ?

      It all really depends on what niche you target in my opinion. For me, I have many books within the cooking niche (before you say the P word...NO, it's not PLR ).

      I aim for around 30 recipes (excluding introduction and what not) and I am normally left with around 8000 words. I've sold them for $3.99 a piece and they have sold like hot-cakes.

      You will always get refunds, that's business, but as long as you are not ripping them off and are providing Quality content, then you shouldn't have a problem.

      Remember: Don't chase the money. Chase value!
      If you go back and read the OP again, you'll see that he was talking about a piece of romantic fiction. You might find something that length as an article in a check stand magazine like "Woman's World", not a stand-alone book. Just because it's an "ebook" doesn't mean that it can be just a few pages long.

      Cookbooks are a different animal. Providing 30 "chapters" (recipes) for $3.99 does not seem like a bad deal to me. Other non-fiction might also lend itself to shorter lengths.

      Calling a 2,000 word story a 'book' is like ordering a steak dinner and getting one bite of steak, two french fries and six green beans. I don't care how good they are, that isn't a 'steak dinner'...
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan J
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        If you go back and read the OP again, you'll see that he was talking about a piece of romantic fiction. You might find something that length as an article in a check stand magazine like "Woman's World", not a stand-alone book. Just because it's an "ebook" doesn't mean that it can be just a few pages long.

        Cookbooks are a different animal. Providing 30 "chapters" (recipes) for $3.99 does not seem like a bad deal to me. Other non-fiction might also lend itself to shorter lengths.

        Calling a 2,000 word story a 'book' is like ordering a steak dinner and getting one bite of steak, two french fries and six green beans. I don't care how good they are, that isn't a 'steak dinner'...
        LOL! I must say you had me giggle on this one. Fair play, I must have skimmed read the OP. Apologies. I thought it was more generic.
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  • Profile picture of the author linkdestiny
    Why not put the effort to get something bigger written...or write it yourself? If you can produce a good book that people will want to read they will want to come back for more. Also if you could build an email list (like on the website you build to help advertise your book) you could also push related books...not a bad idea
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by linkdestiny View Post

      Why not put the effort to get something bigger written...or write it yourself? If you can produce a good book that people will want to read they will want to come back for more. Also if you could build an email list (like on the website you build to help advertise your book) you could also push related books...not a bad idea

      It is a mistake to assume that someone who has a short book has not put in the effort.

      Word count is a red herring.

      The real issue is VALUE.

      When your reader has finished reading what you have written, do they feel that they have received VALUE equal to or greater than the amount of money they paid for your book/product?

      If the answer to this question is yes, then you will have accomplished what you needed to accomplish.

      If we follow the "one problem -- one solution" approach to creating short books, it is always possible -- but not always probable -- that we can sell the book for Amazon's maximum of $200 and still give the reader the VALUE they wanted to find.

      Bottom line is that it is not the EFFORT you put into your book/product, but rather the VALUE you put into your book/product, that really matters.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Bottom line is that it is not the EFFORT you put into your book/product, but rather the VALUE you put into your book/product, that really matters.
        I agree with this wholeheartedly. A 2,000 word book doesn't bring enough story value to the table. Take time to develop a good story with some meat on its bones. There's an author who is doing well on Kindle by writing a series of short stories, which is a great idea. Think 7,000 - 20,000 words per book that all focus on different aspects of a unique story world that you create.
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        • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
          Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

          I agree with this wholeheartedly. A 2,000 word book doesn't bring enough story value to the table. Take time to develop a good story with some meat on its bones. There's an author who is doing well on Kindle by writing a series of short stories, which is a great idea. Think 7,000 - 20,000 words per book that all focus on different aspects of a unique story world that you create.
          Fun To Write nailed it. We often see people in here asking how many words they should have in their eBooks, reports, etc. And the standard answer is, enough to teach the concept. Any more than that is fluff and any less leaves unanswered questions for the reader.

          Fiction is a little different. Could someone write an excellent 2000-word story? Absolutely. So what's the problem? Unless it's an exceptional piece of work it doesn't really fit the market. People looking for fiction to load into Kindle expect certain things. I think it's safe to say that 7000 - 20,000 word stories are fairly standard. And sure, there are exceptions.

          The OP asked how long a Kindle book should be based on word count. There is no right answer. But unless the author is already known for quality stuff, it's really unlikely a 2000-word book will have much success. It might make a good free teaser compilation of snippets from other books you're promoting though.
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  • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
    Stumbled upon this and instead of creating a new thread, I thought I'd tag onto this one.

    What are people's opinions regarding price points and Kindle shorts?

    I would like to start publishing as I recently wrote a couple of short stories on demand and discovered I still want to write fiction. I have a few ss's sitting around, generally between 500 and 3,500 words (yes, 500 word short stories, I like them personally).

    So, if I were to, firstly, group 3 - that are based on the same character - together (around 7,500-8,000 words) how much would you be looking to charge? Damn, that was a few clauses there!

    Then, if there was a collection of different stories together, would that sell, or would it be necessary to write a load around the same/similar characters or 1 "main" ss to lend it's title to the ebook with similar stories inside?

    For a collection of, say, 5 short short stories that totaled around 15k, how much would you pay?

    Lastly, and I have not read 50 shades of grey, "erotic" fiction seems to be taking off, but how erotic is it? Are we talking Mills and Boon level or actually erotic? As that will make a big difference (never written the former, heard 50SoG is like that but with implied modernity).
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  • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
    The answer really varies. Here's a strategy that should help in your niche:
    1) download the top selling books in your sub niche. See how many words there are
    2) Scan the comment section for the top books. Usually you will get a wealth of information there. Customers often comment on book being either "just right" or "too short". Instead of guessing have the PAYING CUSTOMERS tell you what they like (in that niche....)
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  • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
    Since you are talking about fiction. From wikipedia: Word count - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Novel over 40,000 words
    Novella 17,500 to 40,000 words
    Novelette 7,500 to 17,500 words
    Short story under 7,500 words

    This definition comes from the Science Fiction Writers of America. I'm not sure if this translates to other types of fiction like romance. They would likely have their own society, why not look there?

    I have seen very short stories around 2K words so your story in in the range of a short. As long as you have a beginning, middle, and end; and the story is complete from the readers perspective it should be okay.

    But as a stand alone Amazon book? Maybe put together a collection of shorts.
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    • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
      Originally Posted by ripsnorta2 View Post

      Since you are talking about fiction. From wikipedia: Word count - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Novel over 40,000 words
      Novella 17,500 to 40,000 words
      Novelette 7,500 to 17,500 words
      Short story under 7,500 words

      This definition comes from the Science Fiction Writers of America. I'm not sure if this translates to other types of fiction like romance. They would likely have their own society, why not look there?

      I have seen very short stories around 2K words so your story in in the range of a short. As long as you have a beginning, middle, and end; and the story is complete from the readers perspective it should be okay.

      But as a stand alone Amazon book? Maybe put together a collection of shorts.
      40,000 would never be published outside of self publishing digitally. Most novels are at least 80,000, usually between 80,000 and 110,000, at least the ones that aren't by people like Stephen King, etc.

      40,000 is novella length, kind of. It's the top range of novella length and traditional publishers would baulk at it: too short for it's own book and too long to put with some others.
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      • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
        Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

        40,000 would never be published outside of self publishing digitally. Most novels are at least 80,000, usually between 80,000 and 110,000, at least the ones that aren't by people like Stephen King, etc.

        40,000 is novella length, kind of. It's the top range of novella length and traditional publishers would baulk at it: too short for it's own book and too long to put with some others.
        It is at the end of the novella range, but I have read novels around 50K, and if I recall correctly there was a period where what was known as pulp detective and sci-fi novels consisted of books mainly around the 50K range.

        Personally I prefer the big epic series where each book starts at 120K and consists of multiple volumes, Game of Thrones, various space opera...
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  • Profile picture of the author pogospring
    I'm nearly finished writing my first ebook on practical search solutions for small business and it's clocked in at just under 20,000 words. I always had that word count as a target. 2,000 words might suit a healthy blog post.
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  • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
    By the way, I think 2,000 words is a good length for a "short". So long as it has a good twist to it. Just looking at a random short story collection here, and the page counts are: 8, 12, 5, 17, 6, 8, 10, etc. Which would be around: 2,000 words, 3,000, 1,250, 4,250, 1,500, 2,000, 2,500, etc. Averages, of course. So a 2,000 word story would fit well in that collection.

    I also, personally, like very short shorts, ones that are 500 words or less. They're basically just an idea that you put down on paper.
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  • Profile picture of the author JabMonkey
    2000 isn't short if it's good! But why not do ten of those and create a short story collection ebook? If you can write one, you can write a dozen, and it's worth more.
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  • Profile picture of the author hebsgaard
    2000 words does seem a bit short. However, a story should be as long as it needs to be. Of course, for publishing on Kindle you might want something a bit longer than 2k. As has been mentioned a compilation of stories might be a better option.
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    • Profile picture of the author MayaMagpie
      I think $0.99 is the smallest amount of money anyone can charge for a kindle ebook. There is no option to go below. That means people will have to pay a dollar for whatever you give them.
      2,000 words is a little short, I have to agree. Unless the story is extremely well-written and makes maximum use of the words, it may leave the reader with a 'and now what' feeling (and the feeling to have wasted a dollar on a 10 minute read).
      Anyway, I would suggest writing more stories and bundle them. 3 Stories of 2,000 words each will give the readers a different perception of value.

      Also, when uploading the ebook, put the word count into the description. Most short story readers have an idea about story lengths and will know what to expect when you tell them your word count.

      This is for fiction. As someone said before, non-fiction is a different story (no pun intended).
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