Do you like kid entrepreneurs?

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Or do you think they are just to full of themselves?
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  • Profile picture of the author crazyfish22
    I personally have no problem with an entrepeneur's age, as long as he or she is the real deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    I love kid entrepreneurs --- just don't think I could eat a whole one right now.

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    ps my feelings are stupid questions deserve stupid answers....so take this to the OT forum, a great place even though it doesn't inflate your post counts.
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    • Profile picture of the author writergirlk
      I think it's great when there is an entrepreneur tendency in kids. I spoke to one mom once who would find all this money in her kid's bag. When asked where it came from, the kid indicated he was selling off the portions of his lunch that he didn't want and he even noted how much of an increase it was from how much they really cost... The thought of all that profit thrilled him, apparently.
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    • Profile picture of the author crazyfish22
      Originally Posted by jacktackett View Post

      ps my feelings are stupid questions deserve stupid answers....so take this to the OT forum, a great place even though it doesn't inflate your post counts.
      Hi, jacktackett,

      I'm probably taking your reply to the OP's question the wrong way, but as a newcomer to the whole IM business, I'm a bit apprehensive now that any question I might ask will be deemed "stupid" by you and others who have been doing IM for a long time.

      So far I've found an answer to almost every question I have through the forum's "search" feature. I do hope that if the time comes that I can't find the answers I need via the search button, and/or I ask someone's opinion, my question won't be called stupid.

      Not criticizing you, just sharing how your reply comes across to a newcomer to the forum like me. (I've been reading and absorbing, though not leaving a lot of comments since January 2009.)
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      • Profile picture of the author prashie91
        look, this post has ZERO relevance to the purpose of this particular forum. what does the presence of businesskids got to do with making money online? absolutely nothing.

        so like me, jack is just pointing out that this qn belongs in the wrong forum...and this is getting bloody annoying as well..so many threads are absolutely redundant...people! this kinda thread is meant for the off topic forum, as jack pointed out!

        Originally Posted by crazyfish22 View Post

        Hi, jacktackett,

        I'm probably taking your reply to the OP's question the wrong way, but as a newcomer to the whole IM business, I'm a bit apprehensive now that any question I might ask will be deemed "stupid" by you and others who have been doing IM for a long time.

        So far I've found an answer to almost every question I have through the forum's "search" feature. I do hope that if the time comes that I can't find the answers I need via the search button, and/or I ask someone's opinion, my question won't be called stupid.

        Not criticizing you, just sharing how your reply comes across to a newcomer to the forum like me. (I've been reading and absorbing, though not leaving a lot of comments since January 2009.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I like entrepreneurs. Doesnt matter the age. I like anyone, any age that thinks for themselves and doesnt follow the herd. If that age happens to be teens...good for you. What I dont care for are the eleventeen year olds that find IM, and then find a site like wf, then come in and start slinging b.s. about how much money they are making, how they made bazillions in the last 19 days..etc.

    You're in a forum like the WF that is full of old marketing dogs. They've seen, and most likely started the very processes you're using. They can smell b.s. before it hits open air.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Michael Dunlop View Post

    Or do you think they are just to full of themselves?
    When one actually turns up,
    I'll let you know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joshua Uebergang
      Does it even matter if someone doesn't like kid entrepreneurs? Haters in everything will always exist. Deal with it. Become your own person. Validate your own reality.

      If someone hates an entrepreneur kid, it says nothing about the kid; it tells you more about the person. The person is insecure, most likely poor, and releases his or her anger on others who are where they want to be.

      I guarantee the haters are out there. Many of them have probably read this thread. Who cares.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      When one actually turns up,
      I'll let you know.
      At 13, he was the darling of warrior forum. Now at 14, he called his customers sheep and got into an heated argument with Kim Standerline, Big Mike, and Alice Seba. Just look at his signature!

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      Know this. I'm 14-years old... And I guarantee you that I'm making more than the dude above me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        Know this. I'm 14-years old... And I guarantee you that I'm making more than the dude above me.
        for the sig owner: know this, THAT is why people probably dont like teen entrepreneurs.

        for the other young entrepreneurs: Dont be cocky. People dont like cocky. This isnt a video game forum, you dont PWN people by how much money you make, because believe me, no matter how much you make, there are those here making more, and have been doing so for longer...and not on their mom's pc . If you're smart, you'll keep your eyes open and your mouth shut and you'll learn a LOT here.
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        At 13, he was the darling of warrior forum. Now at 14, he called his customers sheep and got into an heated argument with Kim Standaline, Big Mike, and Alice Seba. Just look at his signiture.

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        Know this. I'm 14-years old... And I guarantee you that I'm making more than the dude above me.
        Never heard of him.
        Who says he's 14?
        Apart from himself of course.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenneth L
        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        At 13, he was the darling of warrior forum. Now at 14, he called his customers sheep and got into an heated argument with Kim Standaline, Big Mike, and Alice Seba. Just look at his signiture.

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        Know this. I'm 14-years old... And I guarantee you that I'm making more than the dude above me.
        In my opinion that "person in question" is arrogant with his head in the clouds and no respect.

        In the Mass Control Video the 14 year old said before his "launch" he wasn't making more than $100-$200 per week. Some of the people he went about dissing were making a LOT more than that WAAYYY before he even made it to $100/week.

        For example one of the people he dissed was at the Gary Halbert Fusion Seminar that cost nearly $4000 which was held years before Frank Kern even mentioned Mass Control. The person seemed well known and received by some big players in the industry.

        Something makes me put 2 and 2 together and think he ain't making more than her.

        As to why he came in and acted cocky and condescending - who knows? Insecurity? And urge to make people feel small because he's "supposedly" younger and making more?

        I played sport and know that "prodigies" hate it when someone younger and better comes along. How he'll handle a 14 year old making more than him when he is 19 will remain to be seen.:rolleyes:

        Anyway hopefully he'll grow out of his foolishness.

        Kenneth
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        • Profile picture of the author pj413
          Originally Posted by Kenneth Rearden View Post

          In my opinion that "person in question" is arrogant with his head in the clouds and no respect.

          In the Mass Control Video the 14 year old said before his "launch" he wasn't making more than $100-$200 per week. Some of the people he went about dissing were making a LOT more than that WAAYYY before he even made it to $100/week.

          For example one of the people he dissed was at the Gary Halbert Fusion Seminar that cost nearly $4000 which was held years before Frank Kern even mentioned Mass Control. The person seemed well known and received by some big players in the industry.

          Something makes me put 2 and 2 together and think he ain't making more than her.

          As to why he came in and acted cocky and condescending - who knows? Insecurity? And urge to make people feel small because he's "supposedly" younger and making more?

          I played sport and know that "prodigies" hate it when someone younger and better comes along. How he'll handle a 14 year old making more than him when he is 19 will remain to be seen.:rolleyes:

          Anyway hopefully he'll grow out of his foolishness.

          Kenneth
          Point well taken.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi Michael,



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            • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
              Sometimes dudes just love to argue for the sake of arguing
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            • Profile picture of the author writergirlk
              I wonder why the original poster of this thread hasn't been back? He started a lively discussion though!
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      • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        At 13, he was the darling of warrior forum. Now at 14, he called his customers sheep and got into an heated argument with Kim Standaline, Big Mike, and Alice Seba. Just look at his signature!

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        Know this. I'm 14-years old... And I guarantee you that I'm making more than the dude above me.
        HAHA I remember that post. He was very arrogant, rude, and cocky. Kim and a handful of others were ready to slap him silly. Even his signature was arrogant-"I'm 14 and making more than you."

        I hope he's learned some manners by now.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        Shudder, if this is how kids end up when they do well, then God help them

        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        At 13, he was the darling of warrior forum. Now at 14, he called his customers sheep and got into an heated argument with Kim Standaline, Big Mike, and Alice Seba. Just look at his signature!

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        Know this. I'm 14-years old... And I guarantee you that I'm making more than the dude above me.

        Is he, I didn't find him very cool with the very unpleasant pm's he sent me

        Originally Posted by Marko Dimitrovski View Post

        I say he's 14.

        He's 15 now actually. I chatted a couple of times with him via skype.

        Cool dude
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
    Do I like kid entrepreneurs? Yes...but only if they're properly cooked...with apologies to W.C. Fields
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    One can always spot the "kids" or at least the "emotionally dwarfed individuals of any age" by the way they incessantly require some form of validation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Kids have their ear to the ground in terms of trends. Adults have a hard time seeing the same opportunities.

    I have met some of these young millionaires and I hang on their every word.

    If kids were more motivated at a younger age I think we would see way more of these young entrepreneurs.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    I hate kids.







    J/K

    It's not age that matters....
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Lewis Turner View Post


      im only 17 (18 next week sometime)
      So you're not really sure when then?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Pereira
    Kid entrepreneurs rock, and there are good ones and bad ones. Just like any kind of entrepreneur.

    Being young myself, I've found it's easier to relate with those that are the same age as me (and get a tad jealous when I hear about the 13 year old banking a million a year :p ). But for me, age doesn't really matter - I'm inspired by the 90 year old running his own e-commerce store and making money as much as the 5 year old world best selling novelist.
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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    I am 16 as of last month!
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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    *sniff*

    Do I smell jealousy?

    Seriously, I'm impressed when it comes to the ages of kid
    entrepreneurs. And with regards to David, hey, he's young...
    we all learn humility one way or another. It sometimes
    comes early, sometimes late.

    But if there's ONE kid that's impressed me so far, it's this
    kid: 12-year old Bilaal Rajan who raised as much as $5 Million
    for organisations like UNICEF and the World Partnership Walk.
    Alex Mandossian did a virtual book tour phone call interview
    and if you listen in, you'll be IMPRESSED with how much
    knowledge and this kid has (at least I was).

    Yep, 12 years old and he wrote a 160 page book titled:
    "Making Change - Tips From An Underage Overachiever"

    For non-profit.

    I LIKE this kid entrepreneur.

    Asher
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    • We've had some pretty great young success stories at IMC, including Jermaine Griggs (of Hear and Play fame) and Aaron Bradley (of AaronBeats.com) -- both of whom were in their late teens/very early twenties when they really saw major success in the six figures. On top of that, a good many of our recent stories in Secrets To Their Success were young people under the age of 25.

      But they weren't 15... that's for sure. And it didn't happen overnight -- it took the same kind of hard work it would take ANYONE to get a business underway.

      It's usually easier to get started when you can do things (set up accounts and licenses) without lying about, or misrepresenting your age.

      Still, young people are often the best at recognizing things their own demographic wants -- and can often take chances older people can't because they don't have dependents or mortgages!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Johns
        When you are my age, a "kid" is described as someone under the age of 40!

        Age matters not, if an individual has knowledge that you do not possess.
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        • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
          Physical age doesn't matter at all to me. I'm more interested in knowledge and how someone handles him or herself. I've seen "kids" who were totally professional, delivered on their promises, etc. And I've seen completely unprofessional, untrustworthy senior citizens act like complete ______[insert your own naughty word here]______.

          Steve --

          Originally Posted by Steve Johns View Post

          When you are my age, a "kid" is described as someone under the age of 40!
          Ha -- by your description I'm a kid (a 35 year old kid). I'll try to keep my music down.

          *snaps gum*
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        I think it is totally cool and totally inspiring to see these highly successful young teen
        entrepreneurs. But when a coupe of them start to say look at me Im 14 and make more money than you and your twice my age blah...blah..blah !!

        Thats what gets under my skin. I guess many of them have a lot of the 'financial maturity' to make money...but many lack the emotional and behavorial maturity that the adults here take for granted. Although there are some adults who also could work on this. No doubt !!!
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          I think it is totally cool and totally inspiring to see these highly successful young teen
          entrepreneurs. But when a coupe of them start to say look at me Im 14 and make more money than you and your twice my age blah...blah..blah !!

          Thats what gets under my skin. I guess many of them have a lot of the 'financial maturity' to make money...but many lack the emotional and behavorial maturity that the adults here take for granted. Although there are some adults who also could work on this. No doubt !!!
          no, many of them have no jobs, and unending amounts of energy.

          Back in the days when everyone else here lived with mom and dad, didnt have a 40 hour a week job and could stay up until 3am, and get up at 7 for weeks on end, had IM been an interest, the same would have probably happened.

          Plus many of them are blowing smoke. I remember a story about a kid dabbling in pennystocks a few years ago and he basically shot the stock up because he spammed half the country with 'hey check out this stock'.

          Didnt take skill, didnt take knowledge, just took the cajones and the knowledge that they wont prosecute you as an adult
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    Hey IMC,

    I was 15 Thanks, in a big part, to the WF, it all worked out :-D
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  • Profile picture of the author Bo Mill
    I am about to turn 19 (in two months) and I consider myself an entrepreneur. Maybe not a kid though.

    I run two businesses; one related to offline marketing, the other one based on web services.

    The offline marketing one (Bastor, s.z.r.) was established on May 17, 2008 - one day after I turned 18 and was legally able to found a business. Till December 2008, the revenue was above all expectations, though I am not using most of the money - I am saving all of that for college (as a non-US citizen who wants to go to a US college, it is about $45,000 a year at University of Washington)

    The online one (Bogmil s.p.) was established last mid-December. So far, the sales are around...well, let's just say that in one day I was able to buy a laptop, an iPod Touch, a blackberry, and a pair of Sennheiser headphones. And still got plenty left However, I am keeping it low profile since I currently reside in the US (I am citizen of Serbia though) where I would have tax conflicts if my revenues were to high.

    The only thing I lack is consistent income. For example, I'd make $5000 one day, but then wouldn't make a dime for the next 10 days. That's why I'm looking into investing in Clickbank (or other CPA) websites.

    Keep on rockin'
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I posted this in the Akhil/$5K a month debacle topic. Thought it might be relevant here as well. Hope to amuse anyway...

    When I was 15, I was a hustler as well. I was doing contract programming work that paid me about $5K a WEEK - and that was in the early 80s, so factored for inflation, that would be more now.

    When I didn't have programming gigs going on, I taught piano lessons at a local music store for $15 for 1/2 hour, and generally had a full roster that kept me busy on a f/t basis. I didn't have a driver's license, so my mom actually had to take me to work and pick me up. In 1985, $30/hour is a boatload of money, esp to a teenager.

    My penchent for the hustle actually predated this by a few years. When I was in 5th grade, I found a stack of Hustler & High Society dirty mags in my grandpa's den in the basement of their house. I helped myself to a few, and I knew that I wouldn't get into trouble because if my grandma ever found out, Gramps would have been beaten like a dog. So I cut up the mags and sold individual pics to the neighborhood punks for a couple bucks each. That worked until a pisssed off mom called my mom because one of the weasels ratted me out after getting caught with some nasty old late 70s porn pic (before "trimming" was en vogue). I think I was 11 or 12.

    My next big hustle was beating up on all the neighborhood kids if they didn't bring all their electronic, handheld games to my house, where we had put the ping pong table in the garage. We put each game on the ping pong table in an organized fashion, and engaged in the operation of an "arcade", where a friend and I roamed around watching kids play their own games, and making them toss a quarter into a coffee can whenever the game was over and they wanted to play another. Charging kids to play their own Head To Head football. Brilliant.

    Yes... another phone call from a p/o'd mom.

    When I was 18, I started my first real "business", a paintball field on rented land. Pure marketing.

    I don't fault any kid for the hustle. But the piece of advice that I will give this youngster is a hard earned one that took me a while to swallow.

    The novelty of being a bright kid who can actually do stuff wears off in a couple years. Then you're just another nobody, and actully must deliver results instead of "whiz kid" panasch. So better to get over yourself now and save yourself the ego hit in a couple years.

    If you're making $5K a month, great! Whether or not your believed is irrelevant. People will have their own opinions, and throwing a temper tantrum when someone simply shows their cynicism only demonstrates that under all the "whiz kid", you're still 15.


    The rest of the story... in 1993 at 23, I started a web development consulting practice. I did work for some very large companies, and in 1999 merged it with a large publishing company for lots of $$. Since then, I've owned a couple more million $ businesses (screen printing, retail coffee, real estate management), and I am in the process of starting another one back in the internet space.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Michael,

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      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I posted this in the Akhil/$5K a month debacle topic. Thought it might be relevant here as well. Hope to amuse anyway...

      When I was 15, I was a hustler as well. I was doing contract programming work that paid me about $5K a WEEK - and that was in the early 80s, so factored for inflation, that would be more now.

      When I didn't have programming gigs going on, I taught piano lessons at a local music store for $15 for 1/2 hour, and generally had a full roster that kept me busy on a f/t basis. I didn't have a driver's license, so my mom actually had to take me to work and pick me up. In 1985, $30/hour is a boatload of money, esp to a teenager.

      My penchent for the hustle actually predated this by a few years. When I was in 5th grade, I found a stack of Hustler & High Society dirty mags in my grandpa's den in the basement of their house. I helped myself to a few, and I knew that I wouldn't get into trouble because if my grandma ever found out, Gramps would have been beaten like a dog. So I cut up the mags and sold individual pics to the neighborhood punks for a couple bucks each. That worked until a pisssed off mom called my mom because one of the weasels ratted me out after getting caught with some nasty old late 70s porn pic (before "trimming" was en vogue). I think I was 11 or 12.

      My next big hustle was beating up on all the neighborhood kids if they didn't bring all their electronic, handheld games to my house, where we had put the ping pong table in the garage. We put each game on the ping pong table in an organized fashion, and engaged in the operation of an "arcade", where a friend and I roamed around watching kids play their own games, and making them toss a quarter into a coffee can whenever the game was over and they wanted to play another. Charging kids to play their own Head To Head football. Brilliant.

      Yes... another phone call from a p/o'd mom.

      When I was 18, I started my first real "business", a paintball field on rented land. Pure marketing.

      I don't fault any kid for the hustle. But the piece of advice that I will give this youngster is a hard earned one that took me a while to swallow.

      The novelty of being a bright kid who can actually do stuff wears off in a couple years. Then you're just another nobody, and actully must deliver results instead of "whiz kid" panasch. So better to get over yourself now and save yourself the ego hit in a couple years.

      If you're making $5K a month, great! Whether or not your believed is irrelevant. People will have their own opinions, and throwing a temper tantrum when someone simply shows their cynicism only demonstrates that under all the "whiz kid", you're still 15.


      The rest of the story... in 1993 at 23, I started a web development consulting practice. I did work for some very large companies, and in 1999 merged it with a large publishing company for lots of $$. Since then, I've owned a couple more million $ businesses (screen printing, retail coffee, real estate management), and I am in the process of starting another one back in the internet space.
      I noticed you posted this in the other thread, and I've also noticed you mentioning stuff like -
      I've owned a couple more million $ businesses
      a few times. I have no problem with that, and I salute your successes. But I wonder if you see the irony in what you posted above this, in post #15 -

      One can always spot the "kids" or at least the "emotionally dwarfed individuals of any age" by the way they incessantly require some form of validation.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi Michael,

        Post #32 -



        I noticed you posted this in the other thread, and I've also noticed you mentioning stuff like -


        a few times. I have no problem with that, and I salute your successes. But I wonder if you see the irony in what you posted above this, in post #15 -



        LOL.. does appear to be ironic.

        Except that I wasn't denigrating anyone like our young friend's, "I make more than you nana boo boo... ", further up in the thread.

        Originally Posted by derekwong28
        At 13, he was the darling of warrior forum. Now at 14, he called his customers sheep and got into an heated argument with Kim Standaline, Big Mike, and Alice Seba. Just look at his signiture.

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        Know this. I'm 14-years old... And I guarantee you that I'm making more than the dude above me.

        A gargantuan difference.

        I don't need any validation. I've got mine many times over.

        I'm a salty old dog who knows that there are a lot of people out there who make more than me. I just happen to have my own successes that bear experience that I'm willing to share with others.

        Unless you're simply one of those guys who grits his teeth when he hears Bill Gates in an interview say things like, "When I started Microsoft...."

        That's a different issue entirely.

        Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

        LOL Exrat. Irony indeed. No need to post the same story of your porn success as a kid in 2 different posts :p 1 is quite enough. 2 seems to be asking for more attention and validation. Oh is this off topic in the main forum
        Sorry, it's a fun story that I enjoy telling, and most people get a laugh out of hearing.

        Hence the...

        ...Hope to amuse anyway...
        Seems that there's enough bitching and complaining today. Forgive me for trying to inject some fun.




        I need to buy a truckload of Playtex to have enough to send to all the boohoo-ers in this forum today. Bunch of cranks.
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        • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post



          I need to buy a truckload of Playtex to have enough to send to all the boohoo-ers in this forum today. Bunch of cranks.
          I don't use Playtex. I don't think ExRat does either. Thanks for the offer though, you can keep them for yourself. And Playtex doesn't stop any bitching. You want fun? Go amuse yourself.
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          • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
            Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

            I don't use Playtex. I don't think ExRat does either. Thanks for the offer though, you can keep them for yourself. And Playtex doesn't stop any bitching. You want fun? Go amuse yourself.

            Lol... nice forum schtick. BTDT.

            Let me guess... Jekyl and Hyde ??

            I only say that because you promote a religious blog while also promoting the psychedelic virtues of salvia divinorum.
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            • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
              Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

              Lol... nice forum schtick. BTDT.

              Let me guess... Jekyl and Hyde ??

              I only say that because you promote a religious blog while also promoting the psychedelic virtues of salvia divinorum.
              You got a problem with salvia? Then that's your problem.
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              • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
                Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

                You got a problem with salvia? Then that's your problem.
                You certainly do make lots of assumptions. Try not reading too much into what people write for starters. You'd likely find yourself not having to put your foot into your mouth.

                Salvia, LSD, X, weed, [fill in the psychedelic] bothers me not in the least. I couldn't care less what recreational activities you pursue.

                I simply observed your sig. And then presented the outward dichotomy of your "interests", Christianity and psychedelics.

                Then, I used that very dichotomy as the basis to fuel the jab that I took at your manners, but actually did so in a more subtle fashion by presenting your manner of commuinication as quite cliche' - because it is.
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                • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                  Hi Michael,

                  No rudeness or boohooing here.

                  Except that I wasn't denigrating anyone like our young friend's, "I make more than you nana boo boo... ", further up in the thread.
                  Perhaps not directly, but I feel that the way you tell your story has shades of it. Or perhaps shades of something else.

                  For example -

                  My penchent for the hustle
                  So I cut up the mags and sold individual pics to the neighborhood punks for a couple bucks each.
                  one of the weasels ratted me out
                  My next big hustle was beating up on all the neighborhood kids if they didn't bring all their electronic, handheld games to my house
                  Charging kids to play their own Head To Head football. Brilliant.
                  my first real "business", a paintball field on rented land. Pure marketing.
                  And then just to pile on more irony your advice is for others to get over themselves.
                  The novelty of being a bright kid who can actually do stuff wears off in a couple years. Then you're just another nobody, and actully must deliver results instead of "whiz kid" panasch. So better to get over yourself now and save yourself the ego hit in a couple years.
                  I don't know precisely what the 'hustle' refers to over there, but I do know that if I had grown up around the kind of people who would either allow you to charge them for playing their own games, or 'neighbourhood punks' who willingly paid $2 for a porn picture cut out of a jazz mag, then I wouldn't even class it as a 'hustle', and I doubt I'd be trying to make myself sound like some sort of 'gangsta'.

                  To me, a hustle is only worth mentioning if the people that you are 'hustling' have a clue, or some savvy in the first place. This sounds more like hustling in some kind of 90210 type gated community.

                  No rudeness from me, just making a valid point. Your comments about your business success were noticed when you first posted them. If you feel the need to post them too regularly, and re-post your story with slightly unrealistic claims and slightly over the top wording, along with advice about people 'getting over themselves' and also stuff like this -

                  One can always spot the "kids" or at least the "emotionally dwarfed individuals of any age" by the way they incessantly require some form of validation.
                  ...then I am likely to repeatedly point out the irony along with the self-defeating nature of your boasts.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
                    Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                    Hi Michael,

                    No rudeness or boohooing here.

                    Perhaps not directly, but I feel that the way you tell your story has shades of it. Or perhaps shades of something else.

                    For example -

                    And then just to pile on more irony your advice is for others to get over themselves.
                    I don't know precisely what the 'hustle' refers to over there, but I do know that if I had grown up around the kind of people who would either allow you to charge them for playing their own games, or 'neighbourhood punks' who willingly paid $2 for a porn picture cut out of a jazz mag, then I wouldn't even class it as a 'hustle.'

                    To me, a hustle is only worth mentioning if the people that you are 'hustling' have a clue, or some savvy in the first place. This sounds more like hustling in some kind of 90210 type gated community.

                    No rudeness from me, just making a valid point. Your comments about your business success were noticed when you first posted them. If you feel the need to post them too regularly, and re-post your story with slightly unrealistic claims and slightly over the top wording, along with advice about people 'getting over themselves' and also stuff like this -



                    ...then I am likely to repeatedly point out the irony along with the self-defeating nature of your boasts.
                    I ask again, how is simply referring to one's experience as being "boasting"?

                    Like I said, is Bill Gates boasting when he says that he refers to some anecdote during his tenure at Microsoft? Or is he simply drawing from his experience?

                    Like I said before, the basis by my statements are FAR different than "I make more money than that guy."

                    Granted, if you take a very simplistic view, sure there could be some perceived irony. But that would require taking the entire basis of the communication out of context and eliminating intent.

                    Irony is sort of complicated. It only works in a given context.

                    Since you want to split hairs here, the topics in question have been entrepreneurship of youth. I presented my own experience of such things. It was a "hustle" because it was borderline criminal, but as a kid, the distinctions for such things aren't so clear. We were just making some coin.

                    Fortunately for society at large, I learned right from wrong, and channelled my entrepreneurial pursuits into legitimate business ventures. To the point, even rogue kid entrepreneurs can become successful - the point of reflecting my experience!

                    Again, this has direct reference to the entrepreneur kids conversation - PARTICULARLY when we're talking about a kid who may or may not be a kid, and/or a kid who may or may not be truthful (kicking his own hustle).

                    Also, I've already stated that I was trying to bring an amusing anecdote into an otherwise droll topic filled with cranky people.

                    Sorry. I'll not inject such levity any longer.
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                    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                      Hi Michael,

                      I ask again, how is simply referring to one's experience as being "boasting"?
                      Well if you can't see it...perhaps you could tell us how paintball on a rented field is 'pure marketing?'

                      I guess the devil is in the details when it comes to 'referring to one's experience.'

                      Irony is sort of complicated. It only works in a given context.
                      Really? I don't think it's complicated. You advised that people should 'get over themselves' when the impression you gave me was that you need to take your own advice. You also advised that you can spot the 'kids' or the 'emotionally dwarved individuals' due to their 'incessant need for validation' when the impression you had given me was that your incessant posting of your 7 figure earnings and related business/hustling exploits suggested some sort of need for validation.

                      That's irony, isn't it?

                      There just seems to be a very slight hint of underlying arrogance in many of your statements - EG -

                      Fortunately for society at large, I learned right from wrong
                      Why 'society at large'? I'm trying to envisage a scaled up version of your 'hustling', with kids across the land paying you $2 for individual porn pics and paying you to play their own games. I can't...

                      Also, I've already stated that I was trying to bring an amusing anecdote into an otherwise droll topic filled with cranky people.

                      Sorry. I'll not inject such levity any longer.
                      Aha. The veiled insult and 'took the hump so I'm taking my toys home' finishing sentence. That one should be somewhere amongst the characters you linked to on the other warrior site.

                      I fully expect the 'I've got better things to do than you lot, so this is my last post' sentence, too now. Along with repeated follow ups.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
                        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                        Hi Michael,

                        Well if you can't see it...perhaps you could tell us how paintball on a rented field is 'pure marketing?'

                        I guess the devil is in the details when it comes to 'referring to one's experience.'

                        Really? I don't think it's complicated. You advised that people should 'get over themselves' when the impression you gave me was that you need to take your own advice. You also advised that you can spot the 'kids' or the 'emotionally dwarved individuals' due to their 'incessant need for validation' when the impression you had given me was that your incessant posting of your 7 figure earnings and related business/hustling exploits suggested some sort of need for validation.

                        That's irony, isn't it?

                        There just seems to be a very slight hint of underlying arrogance in many of your statements - EG -

                        Why 'society at large'? I'm trying to envisage a scaled up version of your 'hustling', with kids across the land paying you $2 for individual porn pics and paying you to play their own games. I can't...

                        Aha. The veiled insult and 'took the hump so I'm taking my toys home' finishing sentence. That one should be somewhere amongst the characters you linked to on the other warrior site.

                        I fully expect the 'I've got better things to do than you lot, so this is my last post' sentence, too now. Along with repeated follow ups.

                        LOL.. actually, I was initially referring to the battle between generations with some of these kids in this topic and the other one with our teen friend from India.

                        However, in my last post, I was actually referring to valerie whaever her name is. She really is cranky... I mean, her former moniker IS annoyedgirl, right?

                        Or is that not fair game. I'm sure she'll be along shortly, peeking out from behind her ignore, to issue me more useless infractions that will expire in a little bit.

                        I apologize if you took it the wrong way.

                        A paintball "business" where I charge people to bring their own paint, their own guns, etc... to play on a rented field is pretty much pure marketing. I put out ads with a brand "TACTICOOL PAINTBALL" with a phone number. This was long before the internet, so we did things with phones and newspaper ads and such.

                        As for what could have happened to society at large had I not curtailed my... ahem... activities? well... I wonder if Bernie Madoff sold dirty pics to his gradeschool buddies...


                        lol... there I go again... I gotta stop with the sarcasm... I said I would quit.... (if you'll read, I said I'd stop injecting levity. Never did I say I would take my ball and go home...)
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                        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                          Hi Michael,

                          I apologize if you took it the wrong way.
                          Sounds a bit like a back-handed apology to me. My ex-girlfriend was an absolute expert in delivering those. So you're not apologising then?

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                          • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
                            Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                            Hi Michael,



                            Sounds a bit like a back-handed apology to me. My ex-girlfriend was an absolute expert in delivering those. So you're not apologising then?

                            Well, I certainly cannot apologize for anything related to intent, because there was none on my part. So, for the sake of being congenial, I apologize for contributing to a miscommunication.

                            I did have another observation of irony while I was out for my evening walk.

                            You've pissed and moaned over my expressions of past success... AS A MEMBER OF A FORUM DEDICATED TO TOPICS ABOUT MAKING $10,000 A DAY....

                            rofl

                            Seems a bit petty.

                            Based on my own experience with your hair splitting, I can see how your ex-girlfriend needed to become good at backhanded apologies.

                            You should abandon all marketing pursuits and run to the nearest law school with the intentions of becoming a barrister.
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                      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
                        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                        I'm trying to envisage a scaled up version of your 'hustling', with kids across the land paying you $2 for individual porn pics and paying you to play their own games. I can't...
                        Touche....




                        Roger, sir... you give me a chuckle..

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                • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
                  Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

                  You certainly do make lots of assumptions. Try not reading too much into what people write for starters. You'd likely find yourself not having to put your foot into your mouth.

                  Salvia, LSD, X, weed, [fill in the psychedelic] bothers me not in the least. I couldn't care less what recreational activities you pursue.

                  I simply observed your sig. And then presented the outward dichotomy of your "interests", Christianity and psychedelics.

                  Then, I used that very dichotomy as the basis to fuel the jab that I took at your manners, but actually did so in a more subtle fashion by presenting your manner of commuinication as quite cliche' - because it is.
                  Quit talking to me. This is about "kid entreprenuers" and I don't want to hear from you about your opinions on my signature. Don't post to me, don't pm me... You're going on my ignore list.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
                    Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

                    Quit talking to me. This is about "kid entreprenuers" and I don't want to hear from you about your opinions on my signature. Don't post to me, don't pm me... You're going on my ignore list.
                    ROFLMMFAO!!!!

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                    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                      I think the talents of some of these kids are wasted on making money. They should be forced to serve in public office while they still know everything... :p

                      I'd rather see them trying to make a buck online than panhandling in front of the grocery store for what they want while Mommy Dearest looks on adoringly.

                      On the other hand, there are a few that need a trip to the woodshed to learn 'em some manners...
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          • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
            Originally Posted by valerieSONORA View Post

            I don't use Playtex. I don't think ExRat does either. Thanks for the offer though, you can keep them for yourself. And Playtex doesn't stop any bitching. You want fun? Go amuse yourself.

            Nice infraction. I never specified you in any fashion.

            Self absorbed maybe?

            I think so.



            Best be on your best behavior there Ma'am.


            ETA... and I was very correct about your manners.
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  • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
    By the way, if I may play devil's advocate for a second:

    Don't make rash assumptions based on my, David's, or other people's ages...

    Just because he is 15, I am 18, or some other kid is 7 doesnt mean we use words like "PWN" and frequent video game forums... Comments like that make YOU seem uneducated...

    That's like me saying that since you are in your late twenties to early 100s, you watch "Murder, She Wrote," have a cat, eat fiber wafers, and hate "young whippersnappers." That would make ME seem uneducated and arrogant, wouldn't it? In the same way, it makes you look the same way.

    Do NOT alienate the younger people on this forum... Threads like this will scare them away... One reason I am successful now is because I had strong arms around me when I started out...

    I was the only "14 year old" trying IM, and now that is a whole niche in itself... SO here is the lesson in that: You took a 14 year old, and now I am the owner of one of the BIGGEST marketing consulting firms in LA (Both online and offline marketing)...

    Imagine what you can do with 100 of those 14 year olds.

    Just stop being prejudiced first...

    -Ali

    PS: In regards to David, I have known him since he first started and he has always been a GREAT kid... Maybe you caught him on a bad day... Or maybe, making comments like some of you had been making got to him?

    Maybe...
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      Originally Posted by MouseandMice View Post

      That's like me saying that since you are in your late twenties to early 100s, you watch "Murder, She Wrote," have a cat, eat fiber wafers...

      I kindly ask that you promptly remove all your spy cameras and wiretaps from my house, thankyouverymuch.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Wright
    Age is just a number in my eyes! If your good enough your old enough!
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
    I think as long as the individual (doesn't matter what age they are) -- are doing a good job, work ethically, work smart, then I have respect for them. But yes, cocky and arrogant is a bit of a turn off. It might work for a while, but eventually might just rub enough people the wrong way that it doesn't work any more.

    I admit though -- if I hear about someone younger than me doing something I could have done -- sometimes I might think to myself 'oh sheesh!', but then you have to remember... Out of the billions of people on this planet... How many of these "kids" are pulling in a million+ a year? Putting that in perspective I realize I am in pretty good company, and appreciate anything I can learn from someone, no matter what age they are...
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  • Profile picture of the author roosevelt
    Well all the successful entrepreneurs you meet today, once were kids, and I wouldn't be surprised if they always had this mindset.

    In other words, they always have been entrepreneur!

    However, to really consider someone I don't look at the age but the amount of confidence and the knowledge he has. So, if he's good, we are pals!
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Kim, I think he's in the UK, you need to go over to his house and teach him some proper manners!!

    No, he wasn't "cool" at all when he was here insulting all the members here. I hope he matures soon. It's not "cool" to come here and make a post practically bashing everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author ureba
    I have no problem with younger folks being entrepreneurs as long as they are mature.
    I do however have a problem with the folks who assume that John Doe is a kid for x y or z reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    I'm a kid. I'm only 30. My mother calls me kid. Hope you like me despite that.
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    On a serious note, my advice to kid entrepreneurs is:

    You really don't have to hurry anywhere. There are certain things you do in each phase in your life, or you'll regret it later. Enjoy your age now, hang with your friends, make friends...etc. etc. there's plenty of time in your life to be 'serious'. Nothing wrong with doing it now and kids can do ANYTHING (and more!). But there is a reason we are not being born as grown ups, don't skip those 'kid' things.
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    • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
      Originally Posted by davebo View Post

      Kid entrepeneuers are pretty uninteresting to me...or at least, not as interesting as they should be.

      For one, most of these kids are not really kids.

      Two, even if they are kids, there is a puppetmaster that's actually doing all the legwork.
      Excuse me?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I don't have a problem with young IM'ers, in fact I have "met" some very young folks in forums who had maturity, business savvy and ethics which made me really respect their opinions.

    These people, however never flaunted their age, and I only came to learn later on that they were teenagers. It did not change my opinion at all as they had already earned the respect.

    But, when young people feel the need to push the age thing, then I think it can be a turn off.

    I mean you don't see older people boasting about their age as if they have pulled off some sort of magical feat because they are a 39 year old mother of 4 that has made $5000 a month while trying to hold down a full time job, feed 4 kinds, clean the house and take the dog for a walk twice a day, do you?

    I actually think that teens have a pretty big advantage over older people because they don't have the same "constraints" as we do. They don't have to worry about making sure they pay the rent and buy food before they spend money on web hosting.

    Plus when you are younger you just don't have all the "thought limitations" that you seem to accumulate through life as you get older. I think they may be more able to think outside the box and try things that many of us might automatically think "that will never work".

    When I was a teenager I would never have had the discipline to dedicate time to a business - I was too busy partying!

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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    LOL Exrat. Irony indeed. No need to post the same story of your porn success as a kid in 2 different posts :p 1 is quite enough. 2 seems to be asking for more attention and validation. Oh is this off topic in the main forum
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  • Profile picture of the author scfc22
    Personally, I don't think the age of an entrepreneur has much relevance to anything.

    If people at any age show some entrepreneurial inclination at any age good luck to them I say.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    The reason I like kids as entrepreneurs is because they tend to think outside of the box. They haven't been around long enough to have been taught the rules of limitations. They have a more open mind, and can often times find solutions, in places where we would have never looked.

    However - rudeness is poor form at any age. One hit wonders find this out the hard way, after they've run out of money, and burned all of their bridges.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    This message is hidden because MichaelHiles is on your ignore list.
    Ahhhh...the beauty of the ignore list.

    Now can the topic get back on topic? Wasn't it about kid entreprenuers or something like that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Roger,

    Give Michael his toy back... your mum might be getting a phone call from his...
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  • Profile picture of the author WinsonYeung
    I started my IM at the age of 17. It's good to start early because it's "open" up your world and your mind. Unlike my clique who are still enjoy themselves playing video games -.-
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickWil
    They're actually a great source of inspiration. I find it really cool that they're doing so much despite their age. If they can do it, why can't you right?

    That being said though, I hate them because they remind me what I didn't do when I was younger. LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Who said to put this trash in the OT? NOT even. This IS marketing - even if it is worn over and decadent - it's marketing. Discussion of demographics to be exact. So leave it here or delete it but don't stick everything you think is trash in the OT - its not the forum trash can.

    Secondly -- Michael - you really think it was a great idea to tell us what an immoral little shit you were at such a young age? So now you're older and know a lot of new tricks to play on unsuspecting customers? I will remember that when you post a WSO or a webpage. I don't like buying from people who think their customers are fools. Having a neat idea is one thing - duping people and laughing because they are ignorant enough to fall for you is not a great display of marketing scruples. Be glad I'm not your mom because you'd be forty before you got your impertinent, grandiose little butt out of the corner.

    As for psychedelics and religion -- lets just say you are too young to remember the Jesus trips of the late 60's and early 70's -- one hell of a religious experience. When you're old enough, you should try it.......might give you some respect for your customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    alot of them are fake. its their dads that pretend to be their kid.
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      Originally Posted by lacraiger View Post

      alot of them are fake. its their dads that pretend to be their kid.
      I assume you've done studies on this... right?
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Michael,

      You've pissed and moaned over my expressions of past success
      Now who's playing with the context?

      If you read a little more carefully, you'll see that I did nothing of the sort. I even avoided rudeness and boohooing in the face of provocation.

      AS A MEMBER OF A FORUM DEDICATED TO TOPICS ABOUT MAKING $10,000 A DAY....
      Zero relevance. The way I see it is like this - everyone comes here with a blank slate - it doesn't matter if you are a billionaire, or a pauper - you abide by the written rules and also the unwritten ones adopted by the group as a whole - if you want a comfortable ride.

      And you should expect the same treatment from others, regardless of your *claimed* financial status.

      If Bill Gates pops in here and starts acting all arrogant and high and mighty he'll probably get told to wind his neck in a little. Same for Joe Schmoe. Without this type of equality, there is no community, there is a heirachy.

      I was actually trying to help you in my original post(s) to you - I was trying to subtly point out to you that IF you keep dropping mild arrogance and boasts of previous success into every possible post, it will probably backfire.

      Much better to prove your ability solely through the quality of your words, the ideas that they impart, and the thinking behind them - than to keep dropping unproven income claims all over the place because -

      a) the former is often the approach of the truly self-made successful person, who has no need for validation - they are self-validating

      b) the latter is often the approach of the scammer, the liar, the worthless and the faker.

      And you wouldn't want to make the mistake of trying so hard to impress that you end up looking like something that you're not, would you?
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

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        Secondly -- Michael - you really think it was a great idea to tell us what an immoral little shit you were at such a young age? So now you're older and know a lot of new tricks to play on unsuspecting customers? I will remember that when you post a WSO or a webpage. I don't like buying from people who think their customers are fools. Having a neat idea is one thing - duping people and laughing because they are ignorant enough to fall for you is not a great display of marketing scruples. Be glad I'm not your mom because you'd be forty before you got your impertinent, grandiose little butt out of the corner.
        1. Where in ANY of my communication did I ever remotely suggest that my clients are fools?

        2. As for my past, I am quite certain that your own closet is full of mistakes made in youth. I own up to the ones that I made - they contribute to my learning experiences.

        3. Pertaining to #2, should we apply the same measuiring stick to you based on the things you did at age 13? So why would you mete out the same measurement to me? Especially after I emphasized that I learned the lessons in my youth? At least I own up and admit to the mistakes that I made in my entrepreneurship endeavors as a kid. How about telling some of the things you did as a kid that wasn't so great? Own up to some of your own boo boos?

        4. You'd love to have a son like me. Sure it might have been a challenge in my childhood, but seeing eveything unfold after the fact, well... I haven't disappointed my mom in the least.

        ...you should try it.......might give you some respect for your customers.
        I have to ingest psychedelic drugs to give me respect for my customers?

        umm... wow

        My mum would have never suggested that I try drugs for any reason.


        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi Michael,

        Now who's playing with the context?

        If you read a little more carefully, you'll see that I did nothing of the sort. I even avoided rudeness and boohooing in the face of provocation.

        Zero relevance. The way I see it is like this - everyone comes here with a blank slate - it doesn't matter if you are a billionaire, or a pauper - you abide by the written rules and also the unwritten ones adopted by the group as a whole - if you want a comfortable ride.

        And you should expect the same treatment from others, regardless of your *claimed* financial status.

        If Bill Gates pops in here and starts acting all arrogant and high and mighty he'll probably get told to wind his neck in a little. Same for Joe Schmoe. Without this type of equality, there is no community, there is a heirachy.
        LOL... I like you ExRat. I appreciate the boldness.

        Let's be real here... if this forum knew for certain that a particular member was someone like Bill Gates, most members (of this forum in particular) would be sucking on his digital schwang for everything from fielding a private placement memorandum, to mentoring requests, JV proposals, et al.

        I'm not remotely suggesting that I am a Bill Gates. I am simply pointing out your very altrusitic, and very inaccurate thesis.

        As for "community", there is no such thing as "equality" in any community. You may seek the appearance of "equality", but even in your own beloved socialist UK, some people happen to still be "more equal" than others.


        I was actually trying to help you in my original post(s) to you - I was trying to subtly point out to you that IF you keep dropping mild arrogance and boasts of previous success into every possible post, it will probably backfire.

        Much better to prove your ability solely through the quality of your words, the ideas that they impart, and the thinking behind them - than to keep dropping unproven income claims all over the place because -

        a) the former is often the approach of the truly self-made successful person, who has no need for validation - they are self-validating

        b) the latter is often the approach of the scammer, the liar, the worthless and the faker.

        And you wouldn't want to make the mistake of trying so hard to impress that you end up looking like something that you're not, would you?

        I do sincerely appreciate your attempts to "help" me. But I am also quite familiar with the discussion forum phenomenon of punking the new guy who sticks around long enough, posts enough controversial stuff, rears his head one too many times, etc... It's like the old neighborhood gang who wanted to try out the new kid to see what he's made of.

        I can take it.

        The arrogance that I see in this forum far outshines any anecdote that I've posted about my past business experience. This is a forum where the majority of the members here seek to elevate themselves to "guru" status. But you've decided to "help me" be showing me how I'm not to even refer to past business experiences that have given me wisdom that is relevant to whatever particular topic in which I'm posting.

        This is what makes your position so amusing. It's a veritable irony train, spawned by an ad hominim claim of irony in something that I stated.

        Again, if I required any validation, I'd be posting Clickbank or PayPal screen shots... errr... umm... wait... that's what... lots of people do on here...

        Instead of begging you to believe me, etc... like Akhil did in the other kid entrepreneur topic, am adamantly telling you that I could give two shits less whether you believe anything I say. I'm quite comfortable with who and what I am, and will continue to post relevant knowledge derived from my experience. If you get something from it, great. If you couldn't care less, great. I wish you great success in any case. Hell, I wish Valerie whats her name success! DenMotherSal too!! If I can help you in the slightest to achieve that success, I'm happy to do it.

        This forum is filled with strong, type A personalities - marketing people. Beyond that, we're all individuals. People are going to butt heads, disagree, rub each other the wrong way, etc...
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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Michael,

          I like you and your boldness too.

          Let's be real here... if this forum knew for certain that a particular member was someone like Bill Gates, most members (of this forum in particular) would be sucking on his digital schwang for everything from fielding a private placement memorandum, to mentoring requests, JV proposals, et al.
          Of course they would, but that's par for the course. I'd still tell him to wind his scrawny neck in - this is not the Microsoft forum. Some people fawn over others, some don't. I try and lead by example in order that some may notice - and perhaps realise that even people in authority don't respect ass-kissing. They realise that most of them will run after the next guru at a moment's notice (no loyalty) and they more than likely have more respect for those that are like them - independent self-starters with balls and attitude.

          So I find your point above a bit moot - akin to stating the obvious.
          As for "community", there is no such thing as "equality" in any community. You may seek the appearance of "equality", but even in your own beloved socialist UK, some people happen to still be "more equal" than others.
          'Beloved socialist UK'?

          Are you kidding? You don't know me, or my views on my country and how it's run - but it's not particularly difficult to get 'wind' of them.

          And your attempts to twist my points are fruitless. Allow me to explain -

          If Joe Schmoe is totally out of order in here, and Joe Guru is too, are you suggesting that Joe Guru is going to get preferential treatment? In most cases he gets it worse. That's the kind of 'equality' I was talking about. I explained it clearly enough the first time.

          But I am also quite familiar with the discussion forum phenomenon of punking the new guy who sticks around long enough, posts enough controversial stuff, rears his head one too many times, etc... It's like the old neighborhood gang who wanted to try out the new kid to see what he's made of.

          I can take it.
          That's got nothing to do with it. It's exactly as I said. Your constant boasting and 7-figure dropping is going to attract those who will test your mettle - as it is.

          This is a forum where the majority of the members here seek to elevate themselves to "guru" status. But you've decided to "help me" be showing me how I'm not to even refer to past business experiences that have given me wisdom that is relevant to whatever particular topic in which I'm posting.
          There's a subtle difference between 'referring to past business experiences' and boasting and re-posting your hustler's life story. Don't put words in my mouth.

          Again, if I required any validation, I'd be posting Clickbank or PayPal screen shots... errr... umm... wait... that's what... lots of people do on here...
          Please link to examples of these 'lots of people' posting their clickbank/paypal screenshots on here to prove their income. I think you're confusing 'salespages across the internet' or warrior special offers with warrior forum posts.

          Take a look at my first post to you - (post #53) -

          I have no problem with that, and I salute your successes. But I wonder if you see the irony in what you posted above this, in post #15

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          One can always spot the "kids" or at least the "emotionally dwarfed individuals of any age" by the way they incessantly require some form of validation.
          You've managed to twist this into me telling you how to behave on the forum, and trying to tell you what you can and can't post.

          That won't wash here.

          But hypocrites will eventually be nudged - because it's not just about you, or me. It's also about all of the people who are reading and following along - particularly those who are trying to find their feet and their voice.

          You are most likely completely genuine, but for every genuine person who has made a ton of money, there are also 50 fakers joining trying to rip people off.
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          • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
            Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

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            LOL... I'd tell Bill Gates to reel himself in as well. I'm pretty open about my lack of interest in "guru chasing".

            It seems we're kindred spirits.

            Here's to a happy and hearty Tuesday of moneymaking my friend.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

          1. Where in ANY of my communication did I ever remotely suggest that my clients are fools?
          Awe gee - I guess I just got that idea because you thought cheating your friends was funny, cute, or in anyway creative or clever. I won't bother with the "porn" all little boys are curious and I can see just about any 13 year old kid doing that if they had the pics in possession - but overtly cheating friends is not "normal" childhood mischief, it's conniving.

          Remember the kid that made millions and used their knowledge for the good of all? Some people are not conniving, some are. Period - age is not the focal factor in that one.

          2. As for my past, I am quite certain that your own closet is full of mistakes made in youth. I own up to the ones that I made - they contribute to my learning experiences.
          I have also made mistakes, yes - but being purposefully mean and conniving was never one of them. That isn't something people do because they are young. Not everyone exploits someone else for money because they are young. It wasn't that you did that when you were 13 - it's how you look at it now that is troublesome to me. Frankly - every post I've seen by you in here supports that you might not deal real. Sorry - the psycholinguistic patterns don't add up to what you say you are trying to convey.

          3. Pertaining to #2, should we apply the same measuiring stick to you based on the things you did at age 13? So why would you mete out the same measurement to me? Especially after I emphasized that I learned the lessons in my youth? At least I own up and admit to the mistakes that I made in my entrepreneurship endeavors as a kid. How about telling some of the things you did as a kid that wasn't so great? Own up to some of your own boo boos?
          My boo-boos did not include conniving people out of money or possessions. It's not the fact that you made a mistake that showed a lack of character at 13 that rubs me - it's the fact you bring it back years later as an example of youthful entrepreneurial spirit rather than con artist chicanery that puts me off - and that, not a boo-boo - is how your post purports that action.

          I'd never put myself in a position in which I needed to depend on you to "get my back" and I'd never buy a product from you. You can back pedal from here to eternity - I wouldn't trust you. Take it or leave it -- that's what I gathered from your posts.

          You might not give a crap what I think, no skin off my nose either way - but you might want to wonder how many others feel the same if you are trying to sell stuff in here. I told you how I felt and you attempt to back pedal and slam me around, LOL. I don't know how old you are - but you aren't listening to potential customers - I'm not the only one reacting to you in manners that are not conducive to business. You can scream about that all you want - but just make sure you keep some of those playtex for yourself, because if you are the entrepreneur you think you are, you know damned well, the bottom line isn't you.


          4. You'd love to have a son like me. Sure it might have been a challenge in my childhood, but seeing eveything unfold after the fact, well... I haven't disappointed my mom in the least.
          Now you think you are a special challenge? Holy crap. Unbelievable.
          Good for your mommy. Maybe you can grow up to be like Bernie Merdoff and make her
          REAL proud.

          I have to ingest psychedelic drugs to give me respect for my customers?

          umm... wow

          My mum would have never suggested that I try drugs for any reason.
          Nice try - It was you who poked fun at a signature - the comment (of which you have omitted enough to render senseless - was in jest pointing out how ridiculous it was of you slander someone else's business in such an effete manor. Your attempt to denigrate Val by taking a shot at her signature was duly noted -- and not much of a step up from your business tactics at age 13. Still lacks integrity and character. If you had something real to say, you wouldn't have had to go for an underhanded attack. But what else would we expect from you at this point? Character? LOL, yeah that'll happen. BTW - the fallacy of omission in the last statement shows that you don't have much to go on toward me either. I love to play poker with people who just don't know when to fold their hand. Perhaps you should keep some of those playtex for your own personal use instead of handing them out. Tantrums will give you a nosebleed.

          As far as your mommy never suggesting you do drugs for any reason.......... That's good, very good. Mommy's aren't supposed to. I, however - ain't your mommy. And being that they don't even make the stuff the way they did back then, you would have no way to even reference what exactly I said to you - the statement wasn't really FOR you. It was for those of us old enough to have known people that used to take spirit trips -- and it was said in jest. Perhaps I should have clarified that with a smilie so as not to confuse you.
          But then, such a wise worldly kid as yourself should be able to ascertain how those two URLs can coexist without contradiction. If you are going to slam on it - you should be able to understand the issue first. That was the issue and focus of the jest.......you just missed it. Just another reason that kids come off as silly when they become pompous.


          As far as dealing with kids in business -- in my field you do it without question if the kid knows what their talking about. They can know the rock association of beryl or tourmaline just as well as any adult - and if they know, you listen if you're going to find the gems. Age doesn't fit into the equation.

          I'm not listening to you. Go figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Donahoe
    Just to throw in 2c to the debate. Every kid has potential, but a lack of maturity when entering a predominantly adult arena and unfettered arrogance from a lack of life experience can get be looked upon with cautionary eyes of disdain.

    I started as a child entrepreneur hiring 20 of my classmates to do oddjobs and taking a 50% cut of earnings from everything from washing cars, pulling weeds, cleaning windows, the lot. I was making 100 Pounds Sterling a weekend (I am from the UK originally) at the age of 11 and have never looked back. However, one of the best traits I had was a respect for the more experienced business folk around me who were amazed at my business motivation. I kept my attitude in check and learned from them.

    The Warrior forum is full of people who have tried every area of online business and have made huge successes and failures. Any young entrepreneur would do well to study, learn and apply these life lessons to bolster their own. Ask questions, be respectful and learn.

    People here don't care about age and don't care for over inflated artificial egos (regardless of age). Bottom line, learn, interact and keep the arrogance in check and you will be much more successful in your business endevors.

    All the best,

    Sean Donahoe
    The Manic Marketer
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    • Profile picture of the author Carpe Diem
      I try to remember when I was young. I guess we're all pretty self absorbed
      when young. But what is great about youth is there is no box to think outside of.
      Everything's a go with great enthusiasm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Soos
    If school would have taught us how to be entrepreneurs by 14...maybe teachers could stop testing us on who the 16th President of the US was in high school...not that I have anything against John Hancock...
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  • Being one myself I guess that my opinion is somewhat biased but what the heck...

    I think that the vast majority are great guys, and hold much respect for the older marketers.
    However, some seem to be just plain asses, and really full of themselves to boot. Although admitedly, these guys are usually under 15.

    George
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Well GROOVY! You forgot to close your parenthesis.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Rodrigo
    Well, they seem to be the modern day "Paper Boy" or Girl. I think there should be a lot more of them!

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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Sam Rodrigo View Post

      Well, they seem to be the modern day "Paper Boy" or Girl. I think there should be a lot more of them!

      Cheers,
      Sam
      It's just a passing trend.
      Last month everyone was an offline marketer.
      This month they're all kids.
      Any guesses on next months fad?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    In between studying for my 11 plus exams and deciding which fizzy pop drink to choose from I churn out a few hundred grand a year. My mom prefers it when I drink apple and pear and not coke.

    I am so looking forward to the day when my mom buys me a real computer instead of one of these Toys R Us dummy pc's. Connecting to the net is such a pain, but I've managed to hack round it.

    With a real computer I will hit a few mill a month and retire before I even reach 14.

    I can then concentrate on my real passion which is bubblegum and Tom and Jerry cartoons.
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  • Profile picture of the author metafever
    Try to find one "brain" child who ever amounted to anything.

    I am not talking so much about kid entrepreneurs, but child prodigies.

    I know personally knew this guy who had a college degree by the time he was 16. After he got away from begin what he was gifted at "structured education" he found himself not so good at living real life.
    So I don't put too much credence in these kids.
    Let them get into the "real" world, and then I will decide.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clark
    Originally Posted by metafever View Post

    Try to find one "brain" child who ever amounted to anything.

    I am not talking so much about kid entrepreneurs, but child prodigies.

    I know personally knew this guy who had a college degree by the time he was 16. After he got away from begin what he was gifted at "structured education" he found himself not so good at living real life.
    So I don't put too much credence in these kids.
    Let them get into the "real" world, and then I will decide.
    There's a guy named William H. Gates who was a child prodigy, dropped out of College and revolutionized the world through his little software program.

    He's also the richest man in the world...AGAIN!

    There, I found one for you.

    P.S. What operating system are you currently using?
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by Clark View Post

      There's a guy named William H. Gates who was a child prodigy, dropped out of College and revolutionized the world through his little software program.

      He's also the richest man in the world...AGAIN!

      There, I found one for you.

      P.S. What operating system are you currently using?
      Let's not forget another one who dropped out as a college freshman, a guy named Michael Dell.

      Then there's Larry Ellison - who never even finished high school.

      Then, that Sir Richard Branson guy-- sheesh, what a ragamuffin. Publishing as a teenager...
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Kid entrepreneurs are very cool to me if you have read my other threads. I just retired from living with teenagers as a matter of fact. I lived with and parented them for 13 years. I am in doing a project highlighting kid entrepreneurs and interviewing them along with their parents.

    If you are honoring your parents, you are cool with me regardless of what you are doing.

    Charles
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  • Profile picture of the author Clark
    There's also some dude by the name of Mark Zuckerberg who runs a piddly site called Facebook.com... Facebook, sheesh... what a crappy name... it'll never catch on

    There's another guy who sold Apples or Macintosh Apples or sumthin' - Steve Jobs is the name. Dropped out after his first term in College then founded the company shortly thereafter that couldn't properly market "Windows" when their signature product was released before "Windows 2.0" took 90% market share
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