BE Warned - Forget About Trying PLR on Kindle (KDP)

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Hi Folks,

I know there have been many versions of what you should and shouldn't do on kindle - this just happened yesterday - so it's fresh info..

I, like many here have more than my fair share of plr stuff on my hard drive, so I decided to extensively rewrite and publish one of them....

I made a completely new cover, re did the contents, which were actually a compliation of seven reports and I added two more chapters...... the result...

Within a few hours I got a response asking me why I was publishing content which was freely available online, and asking me to prove what right I had to publish it.....

I responded suggesting that much of what is published is freely available online, and that someone has taken the time to research, compile, design cover etc. I also had to produce the licence I was given, you know - the pdf file with plr rights etc.... otherwise they wanted details of all the websites I had taken this information from!!

I posting the response below....

"Please be advised that you must hold exclusive publishing rights for books that closely match content that is freely available on the web. If your catalog continues to contain books that fail to comply with these conditions or do not meet our Content Guidelines, your account may be terminated."

they also gave me a link to their Content Guidlines....

"Public Domain and Other Non-Exclusive Content
Some types of content, such as public domain content, may be free to use by anyone, or may be licensed for use by more than one party. We will not accept content that is freely available on the web unless you are the copyright owner of that content. For example, if you received your book content from a source that allows you and others to re-distribute it, and the content is freely available on the web, we will not accept it for sale on the Kindle store. We do accept public domain content, however we may choose to not sell a public domain book if its content is undifferentiated or barely differentiated from one or more other books"

I hope you find this useful - and it keeps you on the right side of KDP - on the upside, at least they didn't shut me down

Jim M
#internet marketing #forget #kdp #kindle #plr #warned
  • Profile picture of the author petemcal
    Thanks for the info, I'm not a kindle publisher myself but it's interesting to hear about how they actually go about enforcing these rules etc.

    Back to the drawing board I guess, good luck for your next launch!
    • Profile picture of the author Jim M
      Originally Posted by petemcal View Post

      Thanks for the info, I'm not a kindle publisher myself but it's interesting to hear about how they actually go about enforcing these rules etc.

      Back to the drawing board I guess, good luck for your next launch!

      Thanks.... I already run another publishing company, this was more of an experiment to see if I could use any of the stuff I've accumulated..... just thought I'm sure many are considering what the use do on kindle, looks like even well re-done stuff will be difficult to get past them.
  • Profile picture of the author 100KAffiliateManager
    Amazon cracked down on publishing PLR on kindle a while back. Not surprising really, as there were tons of identical PLR books (just different covers and authors). It's best to use completely original content now otherwise you stand a good chance of having your account closed.

    I had a few books up at the beginning of last year (rewritten content) and some did quite well but when Amazon decided to get tough the books were kicked out - got a response similar to your. Now I only publish original content, very small scale at the moment though.

    At least they do give you a warning and explain what the issue is so that you can rectify the situation. All in all, I think that it was an excellent decision on Amazon's part.

    Chow chow,
    Kevin
  • Profile picture of the author GAVROCHE
    Jim, your post will help a lot of people thinking of starting to publish on Kindle.

    Newbies should know that Amazon started to take action against PLR in 2011 (Oct if I remember well...) which is great, Google is on his way to do the same, anyone without original content will be penalized.
    PLR can be useful for Kindle publishers only as a source of information to write something different using several PLRs and other sources.
    Public domain available on digital form online should be avoided too.
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Wolfe
    Wow Amazon must've teamed up with Google
  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    About flippin Time!

    Will
  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Good info for newbies to Kindle. Writing books take work, and you either are willing and able to do that work yourself, or you'll need to find a quality writer and pay them to produce original books for you. These are the only two options for those wanting to make Kindle their main business opportunity.
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      I'm sorry. This isn't meant to target anyone but just a social commentary.

      Why must marketers try and junk up everything they enter? Frankly I wouldn't even have thought of trying to submit PLR and Amazon shouldn't even need to explain. This isn't some website or blog thing. This is what is the present and future of book publishing. Being an author used to be and for many people still is a thing of respectability.

      Quote from sources, the internet is at your finger tip to do all kinds of research. Previous generations would have killed to be able to learn and become nearly experts on almost anything while sitting in their jammies at home. For the love of some standards write your own stuff whenever you say you are writing a book regardless of why you are writing it and regardless if its $10 or free.

      Don't take the crappy we can put up anything when marketing to the book publishing world too. There are some things that though not sacred should be close to it.
  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    PLR lovers, time to find new marketplace.
  • Profile picture of the author Amy Harrop
    PLR can be great for research, and you can certainly use it as a starting place for your organizing, outlining and writing of unique content. It doesn't need to be discarded simply because you cannot use it as is.

    If you want to publish to the Kindle, everything you submit should be unique. It's always good to run your content through Copyscape, particularly if you are getting your writing outsourced.
  • Profile picture of the author HelpingYouBeAnExpert
    it sucks! I think with my bad grammer and spelling I will not have this problem, lets see I'm about to put my first kindle out can't wait to see why they will ban me!
  • Profile picture of the author Mary Davis
    PLR can be a great resource to create your own free reports or bonus products, but not for Kindle.

    This is another example of how important it is to know your marketing platform and their terms of service. Glad they at least give you a warning first.
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      There were a bunch of WSO's and low cost products that were sold to show people how to load PLR books up by the ton to Amazon and the marketplace got inundated with that and then inundated with complaints about duplicate content. And Amazon needs customers.

      They don't particularly care whether you bought Marketer A's course on how to "Reduce Amazon To A Sniveling Puppy" or whatever macho name is put on it, they have an authentic business that they built.

      Interestingly, many people who market products and services off the Warrior Forum do very well in a number of areas witout ever getting their products or services slapped. It is not about being a good or a bad marketer, it is about the perception that you are willing to project into the world. If someone insists on trying to build a business based on loopholes, and secret tricks and backdoors to instant wealth, like mass uploading PLR books to Amazon, that says a lot about their business model.

      I have no issue with PLR, I have sold a bunch of it. But if you want sell books in a marketplace where people are looking to buy information your information needs to be unique or at lest presented in a unique way.
  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    KDP just recently closed shop on merchants who were selling PLR. But, there's alot of money to be made from using your products and selling them on your website. Not sure if Smashwords works in the same way.
  • Profile picture of the author aroth
    I'm glad they did, marketers will kill the marketplace loading it with crap PLR. Thank you kindle.
  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Guys this has been going on since late last year at least.

    Even heavily edited PLR, it's a no go on Kindle and for good reason.

    Old news here, just someone who's come across it for the first time. No offense to the OP Jim M, of course.

    About time?

    No, it's already been going on...if you want to be a part of the most powerful book/ebook marketplace in the world, come up with original, unique content. Simple.
    • Profile picture of the author 512 Designs
      If you completely rewrite a PLR product and it looks nothing like the original, how is it still PLR? Isn't it now new and unique with your own copyright?

      How does Kindle even know it was originally PLR if you did a complete re-write with a new title and graphics?
  • Profile picture of the author vCr8
    IMHO... PLR should be fine to be used as freebies... Not on kindle, it might be good enough though if you have completely rewritten it from contents to graphics... Well in that sense it is a whole new one not just a PLR..
  • Profile picture of the author xparte
    You might have a problem even if you write original content. My book was not accepted at KDP at first with a claim that it wasn't an original work(it was 100%), although it was published just fine. It took several emails until someone did a manual review and enrolled it in KDP. They didn't explain, but I just presume that the subject matter (traveling on frequent miles and points) gave them a pause, because it could look like PLR, I guess.

    I even offered to send them a copy of my Copyright Certificate from the Library of Congress, which I believe is a good idea to have just in case.
    • Profile picture of the author research
      Originally Posted by xparte View Post

      You might have a problem even if you write original content. My book was not accepted at KDP at first with a claim that it wasn't an original work(it was 100%), although it was published just fine. It took several emails until someone did a manual review and enrolled it in KDP. They didn't explain, but I just presume that the subject matter (traveling on frequent miles and points) gave them a pause, because it could look like PLR, I guess.

      I even offered to send them a copy of my Copyright Certificate from the Library of Congress, which I believe is a good idea to have just in case.
      How is it possible . . . that an ebook could look like PLR

      What exactly does PLR look like . . .

      Does Amazon have a secret PLR detection system ???
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    It still baffles me that anyone thought putting PLR on Amazon and selling it as a book would be good in the first place. To make it worse, you even had some so called "experts" here on the forum selling courses on how to do this and they end up causing many people to have their Amazon accounts banned for life.
    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      Originally Posted by Paul Gram View Post

      It still baffles me that anyone thought putting PLR on Amazon and selling it as a book would be good in the first place. To make it worse, you even had some so called "experts" here on the forum selling courses on how to do this and they end up causing many people to have their Amazon accounts banned for life.
      I'm with you on this one...

      Even posted a thread here about it awhile back - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...heir-spam.html

      ...and that was 7 months BEFORE the sh#t really hit the fan and Fast Company published this article mentioning the WarriorForum by name.

      Unmasking A Digital Pirate On Amazon | Fast Company

      And then this post here - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eople-did.html


      You are correct about those selling this nonsense. The problem was many of these self-proclaimed "experts" never made a dime on Kindle, but made a ton telling others just how "easy" it was to simply "cut-and-paste" your way to Kindle profits.

      That said, not all of the blame can be placed on the sellers....the buyers were at fault too.

      Many of them simply bought programs that told them what they wanted to hear - that making money on Kindle was as easy as buying $3 PLR and cut-and-pasting it to Kindle!

      They didn't want to buy REAL info that told them it would take things like EFFORT and maybe even a little (gasp!)....WORK!
  • Profile picture of the author TeamTCW
    However, in term of banning an account, Amazon is not so strict as Google Adsense.
  • Profile picture of the author Monetex Marketing
    Thanks for the heads up! I was planning to do something similar but now I am dropping the plan.
    • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
      There are just some titles that look PLRish! Even if a PLR book is rewritten is a smart reader, which Amazon editors must be, you can sense it is not an original work but derivative.

      Giveaways are spammy titles, small number of pages, boring generic prose - no real author 'voice', certain niches i.e lose weight. Who is the author, does he'she write other books in this field?
  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Be wary of stuff that's already in the public domain. I got a copyright message from YouTube saying I'd used a commercial track.

    Well I did some research and it turns out that somebody else had copied the original open source track and claimed ownership of it!
    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Not aiming at anyone particular here...

      If someone "extensively rewrites" PLR material and it still gets called out as PLR material, just how "extensive" was the rewrite? :confused:
  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    << Within a few hours I got a response asking me why I was publishing content which was freely available online, and asking me to prove what right I had to publish it.....

    I responded suggesting that much of what is published is freely available online, and that someone has taken the time to research, compile, design cover etc. I also had to produce the licence I was given, you know - the pdf file with plr rights etc.... otherwise they wanted details of all the websites I had taken this information from!! >>

    That's a little scary. As you say, almost any information is freely available online. So even if you write on a popular subject and don't use PLR, you could be accused of this. The same is true for non fiction print books, of course. How many articles, reports or books contain 100% original information?

    I appreciate the need for quality control and to crack down on PLR. But it's also likely that some innocent authors will be targeted in the process.
    • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
      It's so easy to create original content if you use the right tools.
      As an example take Stephen King...
      Ever notice how all of his story have a certain feel to it. The trick it to use tried and tested story "templates" - more like universal, timeless plots - but original content from the jump.

      I recently read that the size of the self publishing industry is something like $17 Billion. So there is massive room for everyone. If you just add value to readers and take "ethical" shortcuts....

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