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Possible silly question alert! Do you pay tax on your earnings online? Thanks :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    Very silly question. Of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenneth L
    Of course. You would be crazy not too. If the taxman finds out you could get into serious trouble.

    Plus paying taxes is what pays for roads, hospitals, etc. There is something good about contributing.

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Kenneth L View Post


      Plus paying taxes is what pays for roads, hospitals, etc. There is something good about contributing.
      You'd think so right?

      I was just admiring the potholes on the road last night as they gathered the rain water boasting a depth where you can actually see the victorian cobles beneath the tarmac.

      Someone could have a nasty accident with those in the roads forcing them to see the quality of the hospitals too.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclint
    Indeed. But also remember to keep receipts/records of any purchases (domains, hosting, products etc) so you can claim them as expenses.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexmw106
    The only business in the UK that is tax free is spreadbetting if you good at forex or oil get in there
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    • Profile picture of the author Mar
      I don't particularly like doing it, but I do force myself to submit proper report and accounts; I believe the Inland Revenue and Customs & Excise Departments are starting to take a big interest in online earnings - and they've got a much bigger budget than me when it comes to paying legal fees.

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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    Plus paying taxes is what pays for roads, hospitals, etc. There is something good about contributing.
    In 2012? We wish!

    IMHO it's worth investing in a book or chatting to someone if you want to do your own books and then pass them onto an accountant. It can often work out cheaper rather than getting them to do it all. But have a chat and see what they say.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Yes, but I think that if you earn less than around £7,500 a year, then you don't need to pay tax, but you still need to pay NICS2 national insurance contributions which is about £131/year. Someone correct me if im wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      Yes, but I think that if you earn less than around £7,500 a year, then you don't need to pay tax, but you still need to pay NICS2 national insurance contributions which is about £131/year. Someone correct me if im wrong.
      Personal Allowance for the '12-'13 tax year is as follows:

      Basic £8,105 (Income Limit £100,000)
      Age 65-74 £10,500 (Income Limit £25,400)
      Age 75 and over - £10,660 (Income Limit £25,400)


      *Changes each tax year in accordance with inflation / cost of living.

      If you earn over a certain amount you also have to pay Class 4 National Insurance in addition to Class 2.

      Daniel
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Personal Allowance for the '12-'13 tax year is as follows:

        Basic £8,105 (Income Limit £100,000)
        Age 65-74 £10,500 (Income Limit £25,400)
        Age 75 and over - £10,660 (Income Limit £25,400)


        *Changes each tax year in accordance with inflation / cost of living.

        If you earn over a certain amount you also have to pay Class 4 National Insurance in addition to Class 2.

        Daniel
        Thanks for the info.

        When you have to declare your income for the tax year, is it for the amount you actually recieved from April to April or do you declare the amount you actually earned. For example, if you earned £10k in that tax year, but you had only recieved £8k of it in the period of April to April, would you declare it as £8k or £10k.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          There was a discussion regarding that same question here on the WF a few months ago which had differing views.

          My money isn't "earned" unless it's in my bank account and literally becomes "money". Ultimately it doesn't make much difference since you'll be including any amount that's hanging in the balance it in the next tax year.

          Fortunately I'm not in that predicament myself but if I were I'd surely be using the above as a rule of thumb.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    To begin with, if you are just beginning and don't expect much income, you can probably roll your online earnings into your annual tax return - but seek professional advice because it isn't always all that clear cut.

    As you income grows and becomes more regular, in other words a real business rather than an occasional paying hobby, you will probably be classed as a 'sole trader'. In which case you will need to contact your local tax office and tell them that you are planning to trade as a sole trader. An accountant is definitely a help here.

    As a sole trader you will be expected to submit your accounts annually and be assessed for tax purposes. Note that initially you may be charged tax on your last year's earnings and an assessment (by the tax office) of the upcoming year as well. Sole traders pay tax in advance, based on estimated earnings, and then have adjustments made according to the actual earnings in the next year.

    If, however, you decide to become a Limited company, your tax is then assessed entirely in arrears (i.e. on the money you made in your last tax year). There can be other advantages to being a limited company, such as paying company tax rather than income tax, which can be at a lower rate.

    If this all sounds complicated, it is. You will need to keep accurate records of all your income and expenditures, with all paperwork and receipts.

    The very first thing you should do is talk to an accountant to at least find out how to approach things.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    If you're not in employment you can earn around £7000 a year tax free. If you earn a little from your online earning then put it on your self assessment form.

    If you earn more than £10000 a year and (particularly if your day job earnings are high) then you might be better off with forming a limited company. Then you can pay yourself dividends.

    Not declaring income? The chances of getting caught are actually quite low, although if you sell physical goods (e.g. on eBay) then there's a much better audit trail back to you. Also don't make enemies, because HMRC find most tax cheats due to tip offs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abdullah Isa
    Pay your tax, otherwise you are setting yourself up for some big problems. (and you would be dishonest by not paying, and its never good to be a dishonest person).

    IMHO: about the Tax issue - look up what where the taxes actually go please, let me give you a hint:

    Income Tax: The interest on the national debt - that is all, the interest!
    Gambling Tax: Hospitals.

    Check for yourself
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  • Profile picture of the author Denden
    Originally Posted by kosully1 View Post

    Possible silly question alert! Do you pay tax on your earnings online? Thanks :-)
    I'm shocked this question was asked!
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    • Profile picture of the author RyanGillam
      Yep.

      I own a Limited Company in my name, every single bit of money I earn goes through that company. Whether Internet Marketing, Writing or sales of my physical products online or in shops. I pay myself a wage from the company as well (of course pay tax and NI on that). After that, I keep everything in my business bank account (as its not legally mine). Pay corporation tax at the end of the year, then grab myself a tax free dividend.

      Make sure you keep a record of EVERYTHING you purchase. If you need to buy computer equipment then get in touch with an accountant, it may be subject to depreciation, which means that you aren't going to be offsetting the whole cost against your tax when you first buy it. (that's a pretty terrible description, but yeah...)
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    • Profile picture of the author Bewley
      Originally Posted by Denden View Post

      I'm shocked this question was asked!
      Then you are very naive my friend. Tax evasion in the UK is estimated to be about £27 Billion per year.

      I would hazard a guess that most small marketeers have day jobs as well, and income from marketing goes straight into PayPal then transferred into a personal bank account. For example: Do you honestly think that all UK eBay sellers (with 100s or 1000s of sales credited to thier account) declare thier income to the Inland Revenue?

      I know of one long-term UK member of this forum who professes to be a millionaire - bought million £ houses and penthouse with cash! Yet when I ask him if he pays VAT (was interested in his product) he said "of course" - but when I asked to see his VAT reg No he refused to show it. By law, it should be published on his website and should be available for anybody to check out at Companies House website in the UK.

      Of course, we all know that he is full of BS. So wise up, I would suspect most small marketeers would not be declaring thier earnings to thier respective tax authorities.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bewley
        As an Addendum to my previous post. It would be refreshing to see any UK marketeers, who profess (on this forum) to earn more than the VAT threshold of £77,000 per year, publish thier VAT reg No in this thread.

        Kudos to those that do.
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        • Profile picture of the author RyanGillam
          Originally Posted by Bewley View Post

          As an Addendum to my previous post. It would be refreshing to see any UK marketeers, who profess (on this forum) to earn more than the VAT threshold of £77,000 per year, publish thier VAT reg No in this thread.

          Kudos to those that do.
          I'm attempting to be registered for VAT at the moment (going to apply pretty soon). This is because I found that offline clients prefer if you have a VAT number, although I am not sure why, this is going to add 20% onto how much they pay. I don't earn near £77,000 a year, although hope to soon.
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          • Profile picture of the author KenJ
            Originally Posted by RyanGillam View Post

            I'm attempting to be registered for VAT at the moment (going to apply pretty soon). This is because I found that offline clients prefer if you have a VAT number, although I am not sure why, this is going to add 20% onto how much they pay. I don't earn near £77,000 a year, although hope to soon.
            Assuming your customers are Vat registered they can claim the VAT back.

            I use an accountant for all my business interests. I have a book keeper who keeps everything neat and tidy on a weekly basis. The accountancy bills are small because of this. A good accountant will also help you plan your business in the best way.

            If you ever have a VAT inspection or a tax inspection (I've had 3 in 23 years) you will find out that you can't hide anything from them. The inspectors are so good at their job it is terrifying.

            So record everything and hide nothing. Then you can simply hand over your records and rest easy.

            KenJ
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  • Profile picture of the author glowworm
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    Originally Posted by kosully1 View Post

    Possible silly question alert! Do you pay tax on your earnings online? Thanks :-)
    What earnings!
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    • Profile picture of the author robg1
      Originally Posted by glowworm View Post

      What earnings!
      I think they're reffering to the stash you have on the Isle of Man
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      • Profile picture of the author glowworm
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        Originally Posted by robg1 View Post

        I think they're reffering to the stash you have on the Isle of Man

        Monaco actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Realistically, only a nutcase would say "no I don't pay my taxes" on a pulic forum...
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  • Profile picture of the author limestone614
    Here you go,

    We turn over more than the threshold:

    VAT Number: 129 9038 90
    Company Number: 07868697
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    If you speak to the inland revenue / HMRC and register as self employed they will offer you a free place on a course which will teach you everything you need to do about your tax obligations and how to make sense of it all.

    Very beneficial session!
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  • Profile picture of the author leeandtami
    For those that are vat registered, do you have to charge vat on your products like ebooks for example?

    I've got two other online companies which are both well over the vat threshold and are therefore obviously registered. Therefore my new IM ltd company needs to be vat registered due to the associated companies rules (just solves problems).

    Not seen any sales websites selling ebooks which inc vat. Not sure how to account for it with selling digital products.
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