Just my thoughts about making money online

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Hello everyone, Carlos here. It's been a while since i posted in the warrior forum and it's good to be back on track.

You know, I've always believed on making money online but the truth is this: it has become difficult to achieve it.

At this time i will need the help of fellow warriors to let me know if I'm right or wrong so here i go: making money online has become a big issue over the past few years, it seems that no matter where you look at everyone is trying to demonstrate that he or she knows the perfect formula to make money online so my first question is - do fluff and hype have to be part of the internet marketing game? why does every single "internet guru" has to lie in order to make money online?

Where's people common sense? i mean, I've have realized that in order to make money online you really need 3 things: a good copywriting, to know how to drive traffic to your site and good quality content. Just these 3 simple things that most of the people seems to be having problems with.

Do you really have to be a psychologist to make money online? otherwise i don't find any other explanation on how these gurus keep fooling around people so easily.

Why do we keep making the gurus rich? $27, $37, $49, $97 dollars products that we keep buying over and over again with the hope that one of them will make us rich one day - why?

Everybody states that there's not magic formula, no push buttons, no get - rich - quick - schemes, and still people keep falling down for the same thing over and over and again, why?

From now on, my dream is not make money online anymore. My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.

Am i wrong thinking like this or what?


Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Hower
    Originally Posted by CarlosFarfan2012 View Post

    From now on, my dream is not make money online anymore. My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.

    Am i wrong thinking like this or what?


    Carlos
    Hi Carlos,

    does that mean you made enough money?

    Unmasking gurus itself does not necessarily help beginners. Where would they find that free information?

    I bought some very good WSOs that helped me a lot. Had I decided to search for the same information for free I would probably still be searching.

    Those gurus get paid for for putting together the information which almost always saves the user a huge amount of time.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author CarlosFarfan2012
      Originally Posted by Dan Hower View Post

      Hi Carlos,

      does that mean you made enough money?

      Unmasking gurus itself does not necessarily help beginners. Where would they find that free information?

      I bought some very good WSOs that helped me a lot. Had I decided to search for the same information for free I would probably still be searching.

      Those gurus get paid for for putting together the information which almost always saves the user a huge amount of time.

      Cheers
      Dan Hower
      Hello Dan:

      Well that's what i mean, if somebody REALLY wants to help you make money online for free then why everyone is giving you just half of the formula and then charging you for the rest?
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  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
    Originally Posted by CarlosFarfan2012 View Post

    My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE.
    I bet this thread gets heated quickly. In a single statement you just upset 99% of the WF community. :p
    • Profile picture of the author CarlosFarfan2012
      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

      I bet this thread gets heated quickly. In a single statement you just upset 99% of the WF community. :p
      Do you really think? well if that happens and this thread gets deleted then it will confirm my theory
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  • Profile picture of the author OolongMedia
    You have a point there but a lot always look for a coach and paid $$$ just to have one-to-one coaching. It's not our problem but theirs since they believe that they need their coaches to get going.

    I encountered a long-term client who do what Mr. X says when the fact is the technique is no longer applicable with all the updates and yet he kept on using the platform and do these and that warning few dollars a month. After 2 years, he quit.

    I spoke to him and told him what I learned and what we really do yet he didn't listen and suddenly he quit and said he no longer have budget. Well, I tried all the techniques from Mr. X and I had all the access to his materials and I have to admit that it's really not a good one if you want to be successful in this business but my client wasn't really the type of person who ask for suggestions from others so it was also his fault. Still I pity him.
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    • Profile picture of the author CarlosFarfan2012
      Originally Posted by OolongMedia View Post

      You have a point there but a lot always look for a coach and paid $$$ just to have one-to-one coaching. It's not our problem but theirs since they believe that they need their coaches to get going.

      I encountered a long-term client who do what Mr. X says when the fact is the technique is no longer applicable with all the updates and yet he kept on using the platform and do these and that warning few dollars a month. After 2 years, he quit.

      I spoke to him and told him what I learned and what we really do yet he didn't listen and suddenly he quit and said he no longer have budget. Well, I tried all the techniques from Mr. X and I had all the access to his materials and I have to admit that it's really not a good one if you want to be successful in this business but my client wasn't really the type of person who ask for suggestions from others so it was also his fault. Still I pity him.
      Yes it's true, many people paid for one - on - one coaching, but what they do receive? go to my community forum and search for the answers - there's many people willing to help you there, others they may call you once you join their program and give you a lot of techie stuff.

      Sorry. It wasn't my intention to upset anyone but this is the truth of making money online. People keep selling stuff looking for fresh meat and that's how they make money.
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    Also, not all gurus are fake or pretenders; you just need to find the right one. haha
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    From now on, my dream is not make money online anymore. My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.
    What will you gain from "unmasking them" and not making money? How about ignoring them and making money by your self? I never made a guru rich by not buying any product that I can find online for free. I did not waste my time dealing with them... How about doing the same and focus on your own? Is there any personal benefit for you if you succeed in "unmasking" them?

    Cigarette and liquor companies are also getting rich while providing useless products. Can you "unmask" them too? What's the difference?
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    • Profile picture of the author CarlosFarfan2012
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      What will you gain from "unmasking them" and not making money? How about ignoring them and making money by your self? I never made a guru rich by not buying any product that I can find online for free. I did not waste my time dealing with them... How about doing the same and focus on your own? Is there any personal benefit for you if you succeed in "unmasking" them?

      Cigarette and liquor companies are also getting rich while providing useless products. Can you "unmask" them too? What's the difference?
      You know what i would gain from unmasking them? millions of people wasting their money and HOPE for something you can always find for free on the internet.

      If there was at least only ONE single person who would really share "THEIR MILLIONS AS THEY CLAIM" with people seeking to make money online, everything would be different
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  • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
    Originally Posted by CarlosFarfan2012 View Post

    You know, I've always believed on making money online but the truth is this: it has become difficult to achieve it.
    It's only difficult because you say so. It's all up to you and what you believe really.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
    Of course all the information anyone ever needs on pretty much all subjects is available online...if you know where to look

    For some people they don't mind buying a course on setting up a Twitter account, installing wordpress, losing weight etc because of the way you teach and present the information to them , plus the convenience of paying someone who has done the work of getting everything you need gathered in one easy format.

    Instead of worrying about what others are doing and whether or not their teachings work for you - focus on improving what you need to make money online.
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    Pass the pop corn....
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      Originally Posted by Manie Amari View Post

      Pass the pop corn....
      I think you had enough already.
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      Originally Posted by Manie Amari View Post

      Pass the pop corn....
      You sir, yes you!
      You just made my day...


      On topic: let's get the villagers, light up the torches and hunt down all the gurus.

      But really man, do you really think this is a good idea!? Starting a crusade never lead to anything good. Just make money, enjoy life and let everyone do their thing as long as it's legal.

      If you ever got scammed by a "guru", go unmask him. Some coaches are really great, some even changed peoples' lives.

      Have a great day.

      Regards,
      Dan
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    Originally Posted by CarlosFarfan2012 View Post


    I've have realized that in order to make money online you really need 3 things: a good copywriting, to know how to drive traffic to your site and good quality content. Just these 3 simple things that most of the people seems to be having problems with.
    Carlos
    Yes you need to learn all 3 things to succeed online. Selling through the written word is much harder than selling face to face due to lack of tone and facial expressions.

    Carlos
    Do you really have to be a psychologist to make money online? otherwise i don't find any other explanation on how these gurus keep fooling around people so easily.
    Carlos
    No, you need to have an understanding of how to properly sell through the written word. But before that, you need to learn how to get targeted traffic to your offer and then convert (sell) to that traffic. Every time your target customer sees your offer they think "how will this help me?" That's why wso offers sell!

    Carlos
    Why do we keep making the gurus rich? $27, $37, $49, $97 dollars products that we keep buying over and over again with the hope that one of them will make us rich one day - why?
    Carlos
    You have a choice to buy or not. You are responsible for your own actions. Lots of valuable information is available for free.

    Carlos
    Everybody states that there's not magic formula, no push buttons, no get - rich - quick - schemes, and still people keep falling down for the same thing over and over and again, why?
    Carlos
    There is no magic formula and there are no true get rich quick methods UNLESS you have a system that YOU have created and is working.

    Carlos
    From now on, my dream is not make money online anymore. My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.
    Carlos
    I wish you the best of luck on this and I hope you succeed, but you better eat plenty of Wheaties in the morning before you take on such a monumental task.

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    • Profile picture of the author CarlosFarfan2012
      Originally Posted by IMAdam View Post

      Yes you need to learn all 3 things to succeed online. Selling through the written word is much harder than selling face to face due to lack of tone and facial expressions.

      CarlosNo, you need to have an understanding of how to properly sell through the written word. But before that, you need to learn how to get targeted traffic to your offer and then convert (sell) to that traffic. Every time your target customer sees your offer they think "how will this help me?" That's why wso offers sell!

      CarlosYou have a choice to buy or not. You are responsible for your own actions. Lots of valuable information is available for free.

      CarlosThere is no magic formula and there are no true get rich quick methods UNLESS you have a system that YOU have created and is working.

      CarlosI wish you the best of luck on this and I hope you succeed, but you better eat plenty of Wheaties in the morning before you take on such a monumental task.

      Adam
      You're right, and still people keep falling for false promises
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    This is not about me, it's about all the people who seek for financial freedom and ends up getting scammed.
    Can I post OT?

    Tsk tsk, I think I have to focus on this squidoo thing I just purchased from WSO folder.... Looks like the Squid is so fresh and I can clearly see the money through it's colorful skin...

    So, the question was simple - how much money is people making online? Are you one of them? or are you just one of the guys (or girls) commenting on a forum and hoping that someone will buy through your link?
    (sorry, but you know is true)
    I am making 5 digits a month.
    Next question please....
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  • Profile picture of the author KaplanT4
    One overlooked "skill" to be successful in IM is critical thinking.

    Learning to think (it is a learned skill) will save you a lot of hassle in your online endeavours.
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      Originally Posted by KaplanT4 View Post

      One overlooked "skill" to be successful in IM is critical thinking.

      Learning to think (it is a learned skill) will save you a lot of hassle in your online endeavours.
      Right, critical thinking and COMMON SENSE
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    Tell me in one sentence what you really want to do and I'll grant your wish....
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve1776
    I know how to roof a house. I've done it. The last time my house needed a new roof I paid to have it done. Why? Because it was cheaper to pay a contractor to do it in one day than to put everthing else on hold for a week while I did it myself. Its the same with internet marketing. A dentist can build a website, but its much cheaper to have one built than to put his practice on hold while he learns how for free. Are there people selling worthless crap? Sure, since man began trading there have been scam artists in EVERY profession. Ther are also those who give value that far exceeds the price. Several of which are on this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author CarlosFarfan2012
    really? you're just gonna stop showing my replies?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vadimarket
    Trust me, If a bum like me could do it so can anyone else. Forget gurus. Most of the the information they provide is available right now for free, you just have to do some research. Just think about those fake "gurus" as bumps in the road in your journey.

    As of FREE business, you'd need to put some investment into it anyway, there is no such thing as business without investments, well at least a good one.
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    While you're at it, unmask every mechanic in the world because he is charging for something that you can learn to do with a few youtube videos.
    Keep your momentum going and unmask every coach out there because they are teaching free information that can be attained in other ways.

    Sure, there are some rotten apples in the Internet Marketing industry, as is the case in every other industry. However, the overall concept of these products has good intentions and there is no need for a superhero to save anyone.

    Expose the rotten apples and don't worry about the rest.

    Cheers,
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    Most of my winning formulas have come together from several programs and forums pieced together. I see both sides of it.

    The best thing to do is read reviews of any program before purchase and don't be afraid to take advantage of the money back guarantee if you feel you didn't get your monies worth.
  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Ive had four coaches and spent all kinds of money when learning IM. Worth every penny IMHO. There's a ton of great products out there and I still buy them just to stay on top of my game.

    The problem here is beginners mindset... "Those pesky guru's are just trying to get my money".

    Well, isn't getting money what you're trying to do? That's called running a business-- no different from what you're trying to learn and no different from that pesky clerk at 7-11 charging you for a cup of coffee and a donut. (How dare they charge for goods and services)

    Also, most IM products come with money back guarantees. If you can get refunded, then the product cannot be called a scam. A real scam is when you give someone 10k and they skip town (happened to me once)

    Hate to say it but it's usually lack of action plus bad mindset that causes failure... but it's always easier to say "It's not my fault" to save face.
  • Profile picture of the author cjshu99
    Let the buyer beware, Carlos. Don't buy an ebook and expect to get rich like the author.

    In my experiences, making money online is more of an art than a science. Someone can post their ebook telling how they did it but that doesn't necessarily mean you will have the same success as him. For example, If picasso told you how to paint a masterpiece could you do the same? For the same reason people read real estate investing books and some succeed while others go broke.

    The thing to do with these ebooks is hopefully get a few tips and apply them to your techniques.

    But yes you can find everything you need online for free. The trick is taking the correct action and not wasting time on usless things - likebuying more ebooks.

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