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Unread 17th September 2012, 09:51 AM   #1
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Hello everyone, Carlos here. It's been a while since i posted in the warrior forum and it's good to be back on track.

You know, I've always believed on making money online but the truth is this: it has become difficult to achieve it.

At this time i will need the help of fellow warriors to let me know if I'm right or wrong so here i go: making money online has become a big issue over the past few years, it seems that no matter where you look at everyone is trying to demonstrate that he or she knows the perfect formula to make money online so my first question is - do fluff and hype have to be part of the internet marketing game? why does every single "internet guru" has to lie in order to make money online?

Where's people common sense? i mean, I've have realized that in order to make money online you really need 3 things: a good copywriting, to know how to drive traffic to your site and good quality content. Just these 3 simple things that most of the people seems to be having problems with.

Do you really have to be a psychologist to make money online? otherwise i don't find any other explanation on how these gurus keep fooling around people so easily.

Why do we keep making the gurus rich? $27, $37, $49, $97 dollars products that we keep buying over and over again with the hope that one of them will make us rich one day - why?

Everybody states that there's not magic formula, no push buttons, no get - rich - quick - schemes, and still people keep falling down for the same thing over and over and again, why?

From now on, my dream is not make money online anymore. My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.

Am i wrong thinking like this or what?


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From now on, my dream is not make money online anymore. My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.

Am i wrong thinking like this or what?


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Hi Carlos,

does that mean you made enough money?

Unmasking gurus itself does not necessarily help beginners. Where would they find that free information?

I bought some very good WSOs that helped me a lot. Had I decided to search for the same information for free I would probably still be searching.

Those gurus get paid for for putting together the information which almost always saves the user a huge amount of time.

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Hi Carlos,

does that mean you made enough money?

Unmasking gurus itself does not necessarily help beginners. Where would they find that free information?

I bought some very good WSOs that helped me a lot. Had I decided to search for the same information for free I would probably still be searching.

Those gurus get paid for for putting together the information which almost always saves the user a huge amount of time.

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Hello Dan:

Well that's what i mean, if somebody REALLY wants to help you make money online for free then why everyone is giving you just half of the formula and then charging you for the rest?
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My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE.
I bet this thread gets heated quickly. In a single statement you just upset 99% of the WF community. :p

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You have a point there but a lot always look for a coach and paid $$$ just to have one-to-one coaching. It's not our problem but theirs since they believe that they need their coaches to get going.

I encountered a long-term client who do what Mr. X says when the fact is the technique is no longer applicable with all the updates and yet he kept on using the platform and do these and that warning few dollars a month. After 2 years, he quit.

I spoke to him and told him what I learned and what we really do yet he didn't listen and suddenly he quit and said he no longer have budget. Well, I tried all the techniques from Mr. X and I had all the access to his materials and I have to admit that it's really not a good one if you want to be successful in this business but my client wasn't really the type of person who ask for suggestions from others so it was also his fault. Still I pity him.

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Also, not all gurus are fake or pretenders; you just need to find the right one. haha

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I bet this thread gets heated quickly. In a single statement you just upset 99% of the WF community. :p
Do you really think? well if that happens and this thread gets deleted then it will confirm my theory
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From now on, my dream is not make money online anymore. My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.
What will you gain from "unmasking them" and not making money? How about ignoring them and making money by your self? I never made a guru rich by not buying any product that I can find online for free. I did not waste my time dealing with them... How about doing the same and focus on your own? Is there any personal benefit for you if you succeed in "unmasking" them?

Cigarette and liquor companies are also getting rich while providing useless products. Can you "unmask" them too? What's the difference?



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You have a point there but a lot always look for a coach and paid $$$ just to have one-to-one coaching. It's not our problem but theirs since they believe that they need their coaches to get going.

I encountered a long-term client who do what Mr. X says when the fact is the technique is no longer applicable with all the updates and yet he kept on using the platform and do these and that warning few dollars a month. After 2 years, he quit.

I spoke to him and told him what I learned and what we really do yet he didn't listen and suddenly he quit and said he no longer have budget. Well, I tried all the techniques from Mr. X and I had all the access to his materials and I have to admit that it's really not a good one if you want to be successful in this business but my client wasn't really the type of person who ask for suggestions from others so it was also his fault. Still I pity him.
Yes it's true, many people paid for one - on - one coaching, but what they do receive? go to my community forum and search for the answers - there's many people willing to help you there, others they may call you once you join their program and give you a lot of techie stuff.

Sorry. It wasn't my intention to upset anyone but this is the truth of making money online. People keep selling stuff looking for fresh meat and that's how they make money.
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You know, I've always believed on making money online but the truth is this: it has become difficult to achieve it.
It's only difficult because you say so. It's all up to you and what you believe really.

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Of course all the information anyone ever needs on pretty much all subjects is available online...if you know where to look

For some people they don't mind buying a course on setting up a Twitter account, installing wordpress, losing weight etc because of the way you teach and present the information to them , plus the convenience of paying someone who has done the work of getting everything you need gathered in one easy format.

Instead of worrying about what others are doing and whether or not their teachings work for you - focus on improving what you need to make money online.

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Pass the pop corn....


This will NOT be up for long. Get it now whilst You still can. Btw it's FREE...
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What will you gain from "unmasking them" and not making money? How about ignoring them and making money by your self? I never made a guru rich by not buying any product that I can find online for free. I did not waste my time dealing with them... How about doing the same and focus on your own? Is there any personal benefit for you if you succeed in "unmasking" them?

Cigarette and liquor companies are also getting rich while providing useless products. Can you "unmask" them too? What's the difference?
You know what i would gain from unmasking them? millions of people wasting their money and HOPE for something you can always find for free on the internet.

If there was at least only ONE single person who would really share "THEIR MILLIONS AS THEY CLAIM" with people seeking to make money online, everything would be different
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Yes it's true, many people paid for one - on - one coaching, but what they do receive? go to my community forum and search for the answers - there's many people willing to help you there, others they may call you once you join their program and give you a lot of techie stuff.

Sorry. It wasn't my intention to upset anyone but this is the truth of making money online. People keep selling stuff looking for fresh meat and that's how they make money.
Supply and demand. That is how internet marketing economics works. Even if you multiple your effort and your self to a thousands times, nothing will happen so you better do your assignment, make money for your self, and don't get affected.

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You know what i would gain from unmasking them? millions of people wasting their money and HOPE for something you can always find for free on the internet.
Stop dreaming and start working for your own good. In every place, in every situation, there are suppliers and there are customers regardless of the types products. Fake internet marketers are like drug cartels. Can you beat them? NO! Think twice and stop the madness.. You'll gain nothing other than losing time and sanity...
Wait a minute. You mentioned about going to your forum. Are you trying to promote something? Now I'm starting to figure it out



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Enough already? not close enough mate. I've seen that many people gets upset when i talk about this subject, but the truth is the truth and that's it

This is not about me, it's about all the people who seek for financial freedom and ends up getting scammed.

You want to make money online - good, then what else do you do? you keep looking and looking, researching, doing your homework and at the end what do you find? someone who offered you millions for free and then you realize that you have to pay for something else, right?

It is true, this is a business like any other one, and you should invest - you should research and take action so, what kind of actions are you taking? are you just going to get angry and take it against anyone else or are you just going to paid any other guru hoping that this time you will hit the jackpot?

It is not my intention to insult the fellow warriors but come on, i just want a SINGLE WARRIOR who will show me how much has he/she made until now in this year, n fake, no photoshop, and then to tell me, hey i wanna help you to achieve this as well, without trying to sell me anything, can anyone do that?
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Yes it's true, many people paid for one - on - one coaching, but what they do receive? go to my community forum and search for the answers - there's many people willing to help you there, others they may call you once you join their program and give you a lot of techie stuff.

Sorry. It wasn't my intention to upset anyone but this is the truth of making money online. People keep selling stuff looking for fresh meat and that's how they make money.
Well, some of the stuff they sell especially the softwares are really helpful. Again, it will depend on who is the person you're dealing with. If you're gullible then you'll be fooled, but if you know that you really need that stuff, then why hesitate in buying it?

If everything is FREE then why people are looking for coaches? Yes, a lot are free but not all. And not all FREE are worth it 'coz they very limited info though I'm not telling you that once you buy something, you'll get all the answers instantly.

I'm just wondering and don't take it too personal-- How you learned about internet marketing? Didn't you ask any help or buy any stuff before?

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Supply and demand. That is how internet marketing economics works. Even if you multiple your effort and your self to a thousands times, nothing will happen so you better do your assignment, make money for your self, and don't get affected.



Stop dreaming and start working for your own good. In every place, in every situation, there are suppliers and there are customers regardless of the types products. Fake internet marketers are like drug cartels. Can you beat them? NO! Think twice and stop the madness.. You'll gain nothing other than losing time and sanity...
Wait a minute. You mentioned about going to your forum. Are you trying to promote something? Now I'm starting to figure it out
Lol....I'm not trying to promote anything mate, that's the last thing i would do in the warrior forum - have you seen any signature or product promotion from me?
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You sir, yes you!
You just made my day...


On topic: let's get the villagers, light up the torches and hunt down all the gurus.

But really man, do you really think this is a good idea!? Starting a crusade never lead to anything good. Just make money, enjoy life and let everyone do their thing as long as it's legal.

If you ever got scammed by a "guru", go unmask him. Some coaches are really great, some even changed peoples' lives.

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You know what i would gain from unmasking them? millions of people wasting their money and HOPE for something you can always find for free on the internet.

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Do some people scam and sell crap? Of course. Can you name any industry over all of human history where they have not?

Anyone can learn about anything for free. Even before our magical interweb, there was this amazing place called a library. You could get these books, with paper and pictures, that showed and taught virtually every subject on the planet. And, you could sit there and read them for free!

You could even learn for free by becoming an apprentice or intern in the career you wished to become part of.

There is nothing that anyone cannot learn for free, if they are motivated enough to do so.


When someone buys an umbrella during a rainstorm, they are not buying an umbrella. They are buying dryness and comfort.

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I've have realized that in order to make money online you really need 3 things: a good copywriting, to know how to drive traffic to your site and good quality content. Just these 3 simple things that most of the people seems to be having problems with.
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Yes you need to learn all 3 things to succeed online. Selling through the written word is much harder than selling face to face due to lack of tone and facial expressions.

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Do you really have to be a psychologist to make money online? otherwise i don't find any other explanation on how these gurus keep fooling around people so easily.
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No, you need to have an understanding of how to properly sell through the written word. But before that, you need to learn how to get targeted traffic to your offer and then convert (sell) to that traffic. Every time your target customer sees your offer they think "how will this help me?" That's why wso offers sell!

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Why do we keep making the gurus rich? $27, $37, $49, $97 dollars products that we keep buying over and over again with the hope that one of them will make us rich one day - why?
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You have a choice to buy or not. You are responsible for your own actions. Lots of valuable information is available for free.

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Everybody states that there's not magic formula, no push buttons, no get - rich - quick - schemes, and still people keep falling down for the same thing over and over and again, why?
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There is no magic formula and there are no true get rich quick methods UNLESS you have a system that YOU have created and is working.

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Well, some of the stuff they sell especially the softwares are really helpful. Again, it will depend on who is the person you're dealing with. If you're gullible then you'll be fooled, but if you know that you really need that stuff, then why hesitate in buying it?

If everything is FREE then why people are looking for coaches? Yes, a lot are free but not all. And not all FREE are worth it 'coz they very limited info though I'm not telling you that once you buy something, you'll get all the answers instantly.

I'm just wondering and don't take it too personal-- How you learned about internet marketing? Didn't you ask any help or buy any stuff before?
Good question, I've learned about internet marketing long time ago (3 years to be exactly) and I've tried it, yes i bought products before but after a while everything was the same and that made me upset, not only for myself but also for the people who believe in it and wasn't making any money and keep trying everything from the gurus.
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So, the question was simple - how much money is people making online? Are you one of them? or are you just one of the guys (or girls) commenting on a forum and hoping that someone will buy through your link?

(sorry, but you know is true)
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This is not about me, it's about all the people who seek for financial freedom and ends up getting scammed.
Can I post OT?

Tsk tsk, I think I have to focus on this squidoo thing I just purchased from WSO folder.... Looks like the Squid is so fresh and I can clearly see the money through it's colorful skin...

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One overlooked "skill" to be successful in IM is critical thinking.

Learning to think (it is a learned skill) will save you a lot of hassle in your online endeavours.

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Learning to think (it is a learned skill) will save you a lot of hassle in your online endeavours.
Right, critical thinking and COMMON SENSE
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So, the question was simple - how much money is people making online? Are you one of them? or are you just one of the guys (or girls) commenting on a forum and hoping that someone will buy through your link?

(sorry, but you know is true)
They're making more than you because they're not busy bickering on a forum about useless nonsense.

Just because you're not cut out for marketing, and bought products from gurus, and failed, doesn't mean all gurus are scammers. If thats what you think, you're an idiot. Its really that simple.

The first WSO I ever bought helped me make money within 3 weeks, and it was damn good money. So don't give me that bs that you can find any information for free online. That is total rubbish.

Maybe if you spend 10 years skimming google you may find an outdated, and overgeneralized write up on something. But as far as updated, detailed information, products can be very good for this.

I'm assuming the real problem here is that you're not cut out for marketing. Why? Because rather than complain about gurus, you can find out why you suck at marketing and make a product based on that.

Then potentially help people who are in the same shoes you are. Instead, all you want to do is complain and blame others for your failure. Its rather pathetic if you ask me.

Anyway, have fun bashing gurus. Because as you continue to bitch, your bank account is not getting any larger. You're not acquiring any useful skills, and are just wasting time being a miserable, negative person.

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Yes you need to learn all 3 things to succeed online. Selling through the written word is much harder than selling face to face due to lack of tone and facial expressions.

CarlosNo, you need to have an understanding of how to properly sell through the written word. But before that, you need to learn how to get targeted traffic to your offer and then convert (sell) to that traffic. Every time your target customer sees your offer they think "how will this help me?" That's why wso offers sell!

CarlosYou have a choice to buy or not. You are responsible for your own actions. Lots of valuable information is available for free.

CarlosThere is no magic formula and there are no true get rich quick methods UNLESS you have a system that YOU have created and is working.

CarlosI wish you the best of luck on this and I hope you succeed, but you better eat plenty of Wheaties in the morning before you take on such a monumental task.

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You're right, and still people keep falling for false promises
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It is not my intention to insult the fellow warriors but come on, i just want a SINGLE WARRIOR who will show me how much has he/she made until now in this year, n fake, no photoshop, and then to tell me, hey i wanna help you to achieve this as well, without trying to sell me anything, can anyone do that?
You're bashing "gurus" and yet you're on here looking for someone to essentially train you for free. That's a bit contradictive, wouldn't you think?

Why should someone offer their time and expertise to you at THEIR cost? What exactly do you have to offer in return?

I see these threads pop up from time to time, all with people preaching the same thing:

"I want a "guru" to PROVE to me they are making money by offering me free coaching and training at no cost until I am able to make money. That way, I can FINALLY believe what they say (and do) is true"

Then they all want to go after these product creators and try to "take them down".

Here's the deal - If a product is bad or quickly builds a bad reputation, it will eventually self-destruct.

People catch on to bad products with over-hyped promises pretty quickly, especially when they get burned a few times. The thing is, you NEED to do your due diligence before making a purchase.

We all know that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!

Why do people still flock to buy these products? Simple - most offer some hope for a "shortcut". Whether that shortcut is a way to automate menial tasks or tweak your process to add more revenue, it's all relevant.

People want to do more with less. Plain and simple.

Do all of these products deliver on the promise? No. Some miss the mark slightly and others are completely off target. That's why refunds and other terms exist.

Of course, you'll run into that "shady seller" every now and then, but you'll find that ANYWHERE in the real world.

Again, when it comes to buying IM products online, you need to do your research and know what to expect.

Stop spending money on the "next big thing" and START implementing a PLAN instead.

Planning, taking ACTION, failure, understanding how to LEARN FROM FAILURE and having the desire to push forward will eventually take you to where you want to be. Continue to complain and shift the blame towards others, and you'll find yourself stuck in the same spot forever.

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They're making more than you because they're not busy bickering on a forum about useless nonsense.

Just because you're not cut out for marketing, and bought products from gurus, and failed, doesn't mean all gurus are scammers. If thats what you think, you're an idiot. Its really that simple.

The first WSO I ever bought helped me make money within 3 weeks, and it was damn good money. So don't give me that bs that you can find any information you want for free online. That is total rubbish.

Maybe if you spend 10 years skimming google you may find an outdated, and overgeneralized write up on something. But as far as updated, detailed information, products can be very good for this.

I'm assuming the real problem here is that you're not cut out for marketing. Why? Because rather than complain about gurus, you can find out why you suck at marketing and make a product based on that.

Then potentially help people who are in the same shoes you are. Instead, all you want to do is complain and blame others for your failure. Its rather pathetic if you ask me.

Anyway, have fun bashing gurus. Because as you continue to bitch, your bank account is not getting any larger. You're not acquiring any useful skills, and are just wasting time being a miserable, negative person.

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Who's making more money than me? the gurus? of course they are if they keep fooling around people they will always make money from them.

I've never said i was cut out for internet marketing, in fact i've tried before and es i failed but that doesn't mean i'm not making money at all. You think i'm an idiot? then tell me you're living the life of your dreams through internet marketing and i will apologize to you.

So the first WSO you bought made you money? good for you mate, tell me if you're still making money with it?

Detailed products FREE OF CHARGER should be the ones ruling on the internet, not half of them.

I don't complain about gurus, i complain about what they do to people and how they get rich on the process so think about it.

Name one single guru who has helped anyone here for FREE, without upsells, and genuine one? Can you?

So my bank account is not getting any larger? think about it twice because you don't even know what i do for living - Cheers!!!
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You're bashing "gurus" and yet you're on here looking for someone to essentially train you for free. That's a bit contradictive, wouldn't you think?

Why should someone offer their time and expertise to you at THEIR cost? What exactly do you have to offer in return?

I see these threads pop up from time to time, all with people preaching the same thing:

"I want a "guru" to PROVE to me they are making money by offering me free coaching and training at no cost until I am able to make money. That way, I can FINALLY believe what they say (and do) is true"

Then they all want to go after these product creators and try to "take them down".

Here's the deal - If a product is bad or quickly builds a bad reputation, it will eventually self-destruct.

People catch on to bad products with over-hyped promises pretty quickly, especially when they get burned a few times. The thing is, you NEED to do your due diligence before making a purchase.

We all know that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!

Why do people still flock to buy these products? Simple - most offer some hope for a "shortcut". Whether that shortcut is a way to automate menial tasks or tweak your process to add more revenue, it's all relevant.

People want to do more with less. Plain and simple.

Do all of these products deliver on the promise? No. Some miss the mark slightly and others are completely off target. That's why refunds and other terms exist.

Of course, you'll run into that "shady seller" every now and then, but you'll find that ANYWHERE in the real world.

Again, when it comes to buying IM products online, you need to do your research and know what to expect.

Stop spending money on the "next big thing" and START implementing a PLAN instead.

Planning, taking ACTION, failure, understanding how to LEARN FROM FAILURE and having the desire to push forward will eventually take you to where you want to be. Continue to complain and shift the blame towards others, and you'll find yourself stuck in the same spot forever.
Who's looking for training here? I've never said that so don't try to put words in my mouth

So think about this for second "I want a "guru" to PROVE to me they are making money by offering me free coaching and training at no cost until I am able to make money. That way, I can FINALLY believe what they say (and do) is true", isn't that what every people trying to make money online is looking for? seriously? you've been a rookie before so you should know...

Everybody says the same: TAKE ACTION AND STOP COMPLAINING...well it would be easy without all these "people" trying to sell you bullshit over the internet, wouldn't be?
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You're right, and still people keep falling for false promises

Carlos,

The only false promises are things people think they can push a button and make millions. The reality is making money online IS real and is very much possible. But you have to learn what to do and what works.

Here's a perfect example, people are always looking for that magic formula on how to lose weight. Many fail and blame the system and not them selves. The truth is, they didn't follow a proper plan and put in the effort. That is why they failed.

I can personally tell you I've lost 25 lbs in 3 months and it was with a pretty simple system...That's reality and losing weight is possible, because I know what works.

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Carlos,

The only false promises are things people think they can push a button and make millions. The reality is making money online IS real and is very much possible. But you have to learn what to do and what works.

Here's a perfect example, people are always looking for that magic formula on how to lose weight. Many fail and blame the system and not them selves. The truth is, they didn't follow a proper plan and put in the effort. That is why they failed.

I can personally tell you I've lost 25 lbs in 3 months and it was with a pretty simple system...That's reality and losing weight is possible, because I know what works.

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You are one of the lucky ones, and i'm happy that you were able to lose weight, but i'm talking about "make money online niche" and that's where many people fail and make me upset because "gurus" keep getting rich because of us.

I'm totally agree with you that if you follow a system it will work, it is your mindset that makes you stronger but with the "make money online system" it will always be fool people falling for gurus. It's absolutely different from your case.
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I know how to roof a house. I've done it. The last time my house needed a new roof I paid to have it done. Why? Because it was cheaper to pay a contractor to do it in one day than to put everthing else on hold for a week while I did it myself. Its the same with internet marketing. A dentist can build a website, but its much cheaper to have one built than to put his practice on hold while he learns how for free. Are there people selling worthless crap? Sure, since man began trading there have been scam artists in EVERY profession. Ther are also those who give value that far exceeds the price. Several of which are on this forum.

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Thank you very much for answering my questions, sorry if i made someone upset
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Everybody says the same: TAKE ACTION AND STOP COMPLAINING...well it would be easy without all these "people" trying to sell you bullshit over the internet, wouldn't be?
How can you not see what you're doing right now?

You are blaming OTHER PEOPLE for **your failures**.
I'm not sure how else it can be said.

Thats ALL you have to do is TAKE ACTION and STOP COMPLAINING.
Yet you are here making threads like this, and not taking any action. So WHO is the person to blame in this situation? Is it the gurus, or is it YOU?

You have a decision to make nearly every minute of your life. Gurus will not make those decisions for you, you will.

What I'm most curious about is what types of WSOs or products you have bought from gurus. Did you only spend a week on them then complain that they didn't work? Were you working on 5 projects at the same time? Did you buy a WSO that you knew you shouldn't have?

I just see so many points being overlooked here. I have a very strict set of rules when it comes to buying any product or service, and I am rarely dissappointed the majority of the time. I will NEVER buy a WSO on some random impulse. I will wait weeks or even months to study a sellers reputation/feedback before I do.

If you practice simple guidelines like that, you usually won't have a lot of problems.

I do not buy crap based on blind copy or hyped up headlines. I look for modest and honest WSOs. I look for sellers who have divulged hours worth of free help on the forum for free. There are MANY folks like this on this forum you just need to find them.

I'm thinking you haven't found them because your post count is so low. You're probably not looking as hard as you think.

The main point is people ARE HERE to help you. Whether you like to believe so or not. Whether you want to buy coaching or not. Whether you want to complain all day or take action. People will still be here to help others.

What REALLY seperates someone from the next person, is how they spend their time. Everyone has 24 hours in a day, and everyone has choices to make every single day. The people who make smart choices, are usually the ones who succeed. Like "shutupandearn", he is the complete opposite of your type of personality.

You need to find more people like that and study what they're doing. If you don't like gurus, just find people who are succeeding online and MODEL what they do. Thats precisely what I do and it works well for me.

Its your choice man. You can complain as much as you want. Noones stopping you. Some people will definitely agree with you too. But it still doesn't change the fact that you're wasting time. Remember, you only have 24 hours in any given day.

How many hours have you already wasted today complaining about gurus?
How many hours tommorow do you plan on wasting complaining about gurus?

These are thoughts you need to consider NOW. Not 5 years from now when you've wasted a portion of your life doing nothing but complaining.

Some stuff for you to think about.

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Trust me, If a bum like me could do it so can anyone else. Forget gurus. Most of the the information they provide is available right now for free, you just have to do some research. Just think about those fake "gurus" as bumps in the road in your journey.

As of FREE business, you'd need to put some investment into it anyway, there is no such thing as business without investments, well at least a good one.
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While you're at it, unmask every mechanic in the world because he is charging for something that you can learn to do with a few youtube videos.
Keep your momentum going and unmask every coach out there because they are teaching free information that can be attained in other ways.

Sure, there are some rotten apples in the Internet Marketing industry, as is the case in every other industry. However, the overall concept of these products has good intentions and there is no need for a superhero to save anyone.

Expose the rotten apples and don't worry about the rest.

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Most of my winning formulas have come together from several programs and forums pieced together. I see both sides of it.

The best thing to do is read reviews of any program before purchase and don't be afraid to take advantage of the money back guarantee if you feel you didn't get your monies worth.
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Everybody says the same: TAKE ACTION AND STOP COMPLAINING...well it would be easy without all these "people" trying to sell you bullshit over the internet, wouldn't be?
It is easy - stop buying those products. Instead, do what Red said and start following others who are showing success and shift your focus to try to emulate them instead.

Everywhere you look, there is someone peddling some sort of b/s product or service in ANY market. It's up to YOU to run it through your b/s meter to see whether or not it's right for you.

No one is forcing you to buy their product, regardless of how outlandish the claims may be.

And like you said, yes - I was a rookie before. I purchased products that failed to meet their hype and plenty that were a disappointment. Once I realized that I wasn't going to find success in jumping from one product to the next, I decided to create my own path instead.

To me, that's all a part of the game. I didn't blame the product creator for what they were selling, but blamed myself for falling for the hype instead.

I agree that the hype in the "make money online" niche is a bit much, but then again, selling anything requires some sort of angle in order to evoke emotion and get people to hit that "buy now" button.

Look at the diet industry. We all KNOW that in order to lose weight, we need to eat right and exercise. The forumla is simple. However, just take a look at ANY sales material peddling a diet product and you'll find the same hype, just with a different angle.

I can say the same thing for nearly any market or industry, but I would start to sound like a broken record. Again - the angle is different, but the hype is still the same.

If you truly want to waste your time and energy, then you're more than welcome to "out" all of the self-proclaimed "gurus" online. Once you get started, you'll eventually see why it's not worth your time. Most people learn from their mistakes and will still take the other road if they feel it's right for them, regardless of what others say or think.

Eventually, those people will "get it", too. All I'm saying is that if you're fed up with products that claim to bring riches for a "one time payment of $47", look the other way and create your own path instead.

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Ive had four coaches and spent all kinds of money when learning IM. Worth every penny IMHO. There's a ton of great products out there and I still buy them just to stay on top of my game.

The problem here is beginners mindset... "Those pesky guru's are just trying to get my money".

Well, isn't getting money what you're trying to do? That's called running a business-- no different from what you're trying to learn and no different from that pesky clerk at 7-11 charging you for a cup of coffee and a donut. (How dare they charge for goods and services)

Also, most IM products come with money back guarantees. If you can get refunded, then the product cannot be called a scam. A real scam is when you give someone 10k and they skip town (happened to me once)

Hate to say it but it's usually lack of action plus bad mindset that causes failure... but it's always easier to say "It's not my fault" to save face.
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if somebody REALLY wants to help you make money online for free then why everyone is giving you just half of the formula and then charging you for the rest?
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Let the buyer beware, Carlos. Don't buy an ebook and expect to get rich like the author.

In my experiences, making money online is more of an art than a science. Someone can post their ebook telling how they did it but that doesn't necessarily mean you will have the same success as him. For example, If picasso told you how to paint a masterpiece could you do the same? For the same reason people read real estate investing books and some succeed while others go broke.

The thing to do with these ebooks is hopefully get a few tips and apply them to your techniques.

But yes you can find everything you need online for free. The trick is taking the correct action and not wasting time on usless things - likebuying more ebooks.
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All gurus are BS. People that believe that they can buy some 10 page pdf that will teach them how to make $1000 / day are ridiculous and in most cases their IM journey ends after the purchase. Most people that buy those WSO are just looking for an easy way out, a money making machine that requires 0 work. Once the realize that it's a myth, they stop their IM career.
People need to realize that NO ONE will tell you or sell you their secrets / methods that makes them money. The ONLY THING they WILL SELL you is what USED TO work, but now became crowded or barely works anymore and at it's end.
For example, remember the WSO "Make $1000 with Fiverr" where the seller would tell you how to copy fiverr gigs and paste them to other sites?
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The reason why he sold the WSO is because everyone eventually caught up to it and it became too crowded. Fiverr clone sites are went down to sh*t, and the method eventually started dying, so what's the best way to squeeze the last penny out of it? Offer it as a WSO.

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Thank you very much for answering my questions, sorry if i made someone upset
Carlos I think you do raise some good points actually, no apology required. For myself, I have found it beneficial to purchase a few Internet guides and courses to learn basic marketing techniques and strategies. Once I discovered the fundamentals of online selling, then I did my own research using the wealth of free information available online.

I think you are right when you say that some online gurus need to be 'unmasked'. The nature of the online community is that the exploitative, self-seeking product developers usually do end up getting a bad name for themselves and pay a price for this. Reputations travel virally online.

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Carlos,

To use a metaphor, I think you're throwing the baby out with the bath water. What I mean by that is there are some gurus who want to help people make money and there are some who are interested in only helping themselves. What you need to do is separate the chaff from the wheat so you end up with the good ones.

Your comment about everything being free and on the Internet is 100% correct expect for one thing; it's easier to study if the information is compiled into a nice neat package like in a book. For example, since I love to cook, I can easily find any recipe on the Internet but there are times when I find it convenient to have a book with bookmarks of my favorite recipes.

Or, let's take it in another direction. If you know how to make a hamburger, why would you ever want to go to a restaurant and order one? What even bother with places like McDonald's or Burger King. They're just scamming you, aren't they, since you know how to make a burger yourself.

I know you'll think what you want to think and I can respect that. But I think there will always be a market for people who want to buy things that are organized and packaged nice and neatly.

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My dream is: to unmask every single "money making guru" and let everyone know that everything you need to know about this business you can find it on the internet for FREE. There are expenses, yes, but those are technical ones - such a domain name and hosting and software that will help you to automate your work. Other than that, let's stop the gurus getting rich.

Am i wrong thinking like this or what?
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I see what you're saying, but honestly, it drives me nuts when people say that (you can find the info free online).

I mean, technically these days you could find any info free online if you looked long and hard enough.

What you're paying for is the time savings and clearing the clutter.

If you could find all the steps of a given seo course for free online, but to do so, you had to spend a month sifting though garbage to eventually get your step-by-step plan...

... are you really saying that's a better option than paying some guru $97 to have it laid out for you in one day?

I'm a big believer in investing in yourself. So many struggling affiliates want everything for free. They seem to spend so much time pinching pennies that they never have time to devote to learning what works and implementing it.

It's the refund mentality.

"Oh I'll just refund if it doesn't work."

Drives me nuts. How about, stop buying crap that you know won't work and start looking into products that DON'T sound too good to be true... and that actually show you what the system is on the sales page, rather than using hype and flash to trick you into buying.

Anyways, sorry for the rant. This wasn't aimed at you, but on the negativity and "poor me" mindset in general that seems to plague a lot of ppl who're struggling.

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