Is this considered spamming?

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Hello,

I get free leads sent to me from a couple places. The companies who send them say they are people who have signed up because they are interested in getting emails about working at home and internet marketing, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I only send one email to them to see if they will go to my squeeze page, where they can join my list if they want. Some of the autoresponders say that unless you get a list yourself, it's spam because the person hasn't given you specifically permission to email him or her.

What do you think about this?
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  • Profile picture of the author CharlesCooke
    Good question
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    • Profile picture of the author Yamamedia
      i think by an exact definition it could be conisder spamming
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Kent
    Yes, it is spamming if you're directly getting email ids and
    then sending emails to them.
    They should be on your own list in the first place. If someone is
    sending visitors to your site or squeeze page via email newsletters
    then it is not spamming.
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  • Profile picture of the author contentwriting360
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    Well, that's clearly an act of spamming someone. It's an unsolicited email.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by contentwriting360 View Post

      It's an unsolicited email.
      It isn't if (as stated in the original post) they're people who have signed up "because they are interested in getting emails about working at home and internet marketing" from third parties. If that's so, then they're solicited.

      An autoresponder company may consider them "spam" within their definitions (because they have no way of verifying that independently, and understandably have to be strict about it), but that doesn't necessarily make them spam by anyone else's definition, let alone by a legal one.

      It seems to me that the essential thing, before making a decision about whether and how to approach them, is somehow to verify that they're all people who have consented to being contacted by third parties.

      That's what it depends on.

      We can't tell that from what you've said, so we don't know (ignore anyone who pretends to: they're only guessing).

      I suspect, myself, that the value of these "leads" may be somewhere between "extremely low" and "non-existent" anyway, but that's a different matter altogether: that's just because I'm a skepchick.
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      • Profile picture of the author contentwriting360
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        Thanks for pointing that out, Alexa. I overlooked that.

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It isn't if (as stated in the original post) they're people who have signed up "because they are interested in getting emails about working at home and internet marketing" from third parties. If that's so, then they're solicited.

        An autoresponder company may consider them "spam" within their definitions (because they have no way of verifying that independently, and understandably have to be strict about it), but that doesn't necessarily make them spam by anyone else's definition, let alone by a legal one.

        It seems to me that the essential thing, before making a decision about whether and how to approach them, is somehow to verify that they're all people who have consented to being contacted by third parties.

        That's what it depends on.

        We can't tell that from what you've said, so we don't know (ignore anyone who pretends to: they're only guessing).

        I suspect, myself, that the value of these "leads" may be somewhere between "extremely low" and "non-existent" anyway, but that's a different matter altogether: that's just because I'm a skepchick.
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  • Profile picture of the author brentb
    We don't know if its spam or not.

    Are you a co-reg on their email list sign up? If YES, then you are NOT SPAM

    Do these people agree to terms and conditions when signing up that state something like "You will receive emails from third parties when you sign up". If YES then you are NOT SPAM

    Just because someone may not want the message per se, if they don't read the terms or they co reg check you or any number of other things, it doesn't matter, they have still opted in.
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  • Profile picture of the author ComicWarrior
    Hi, your are risking. You can't send ads emails to people you don't know.
    Even reselling mailing list is not 100% sure. Because those people can receive emails only from the website they have registered. Even if they accepted to receive ads, they must come from the email address of the website they have registered.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Where do people get this stuff?

      > If the person being emailed agreed to accept third-party emails about a certain subject, and you send them an email about that subject, it is not spam.

      > List rental (which I suppose is a form of reselling emails in a broad sense) is a legitimate and accepted practice in the real world.

      > If the company sending the leads makes a contract with the lead not to share email addresses, the breach is between the lead and the lead company.

      That said, I think you (the OP) are approaching this the right way, by making a single contact attempting to entice a direct opt-in via your own opt-in page.

      Back when I got mlm leads, I was completely transparent about how I came to have their email address, and I never got a complaint. Never.
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      • Profile picture of the author twinkenterprises
        Only one person complained. I just emailed him right away and told him that he had at some point opted in to recieve emails about working at home, but I will remove him from my list.

        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Where do people get this stuff?

        > If the person being emailed agreed to accept third-party emails about a certain subject, and you send them an email about that subject, it is not spam.

        > List rental (which I suppose is a form of reselling emails in a broad sense) is a legitimate and accepted practice in the real world.

        > If the company sending the leads makes a contract with the lead not to share email addresses, the breach is between the lead and the lead company.

        That said, I think you (the OP) are approaching this the right way, by making a single contact attempting to entice a direct opt-in via your own opt-in page.

        Back when I got mlm leads, I was completely transparent about how I came to have their email address, and I never got a complaint. Never.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      I don't know all the rules of every country in the world, but I suspect it might also have to with where you are sending the emails from and which countries they are going to.

      In regular US CAN SPAM, they need to have given permission to being contacted by 3rd parties with marketing messages. I also suspect that if you are doing the mailing from your host, they are going to have something to say about it.

      Even if you use the A/R from the co-reg company, in all likelihood they are not going to have the deliverability rate and may even be on the IP blacklist. So many of your emails are either not going to get delivered or are going to the spam folder.

      IME, especially if you are buying or using free leads, these are more than likely single optins, and you are going to have a high crap email address rate starting off with.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevet563
    twinkenterprises,

    It's much better to go ahead and build your own list than to guess if they're interested in what you have to offerIf you need assistance with the list building process, I will be happy to assist you.

    Takle care,

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  • Profile picture of the author Vadimarket
    Imagine if you receive such an email yourself. Would you consider it as spam?
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingManUK
    Originally Posted by twinkenterprises View Post

    Hello,

    I get free leads sent to me from a couple places. The companies who send them say they are people who have signed up because they are interested in getting emails about working at home and internet marketing, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I only send one email to them to see if they will go to my squeeze page, where they can join my list if they want. Some of the autoresponders say that unless you get a list yourself, it's spam because the person hasn't given you specifically permission to email him or her.

    What do you think about this?
    ...my view on these things is normally - if you need to ask the question!!

    That said, and I'm not endorsing this approach, but if in the worst case scenario that list is "spam" but users opt-in on your squeeze page you've arguably created a new clean list. Just be aware of the risks, and if you've got any kind of reputation at all, probably worth avoid - be aware of the risk vs. reward.
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