Squidoo disappointment

12 years ago

You might be well served to follow a different path. Squidoo's goal is to have you create content which draws readers to their ads. You are in effect working for them.

Perhaps you could take your articles and put them on a website that you host, and put your efforts into promoting that site instead of sending visitors to somebody else's site.

You obviously are working hard at this, you might as well be the person to benefit from your labors.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I have a big plan for squidoo but if this is the case, I might stop give it up early.

"Early" is good.

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Adie

12 years ago

My main purpose in creating lenses is not all about making money with squidoo page. It's more on backlinking to many main money site as I believe that squidoo pages gains fast PR than any other pages and I want to take it for granted. I see a lot of lenses that looks like a copied amazon product page so I can't really figure out their rules on "too commercial" thing.

Anyway, I will not create any lens (waste of time right now) until I got a convincing response.

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

It's more on backlinking to many main money site as I believe that squidoo pages gains fast PR than any other pages and I want to take it for granted.

I understand. But this is for people who think that page rank is a significant factor in linkjuice.

I think it's an afterthought.

We can all see for ourselves in Google's SERP's, with our basic keyword research, the ever-increasing frequency with which lower-PR pages with lower-PR incoming backlinks from highly relevant sites are outranking higher-PR pages with higher-PR incoming backlinks from less relevant sites.

For linkjuice, relevance (of the site, not of the page) is everything. PR is almost nothing.

This has been the increasing trend, and Google tells us to expect "more of the same".

Don't imagine there'll be appreciable SEO advantages "because Squidoo pages acquire PR easily" or for any reasoning like that. People selling Squidoo-based services/e-books/offers here are typically quick to advise others what a good idea this can be. Longer-established, perhaps more successful Warriors who are earning their livings from general "internet marketing", rather than from marketing only/mostly services/products aimed at other marketers potentially interested in backlinking strategies, tend to feel rather differently about it. I'm "just saying".
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- Michael Shook 12 years ago
  
  Having a page with high PR or getting a link from a page with high PR is nice, there is nothing wrong with it, it just isn't a goal that is going to make you money, if that is your intent ultimately.
  
  We can look around and see what is happening in certain small subsets of the internet as far as linking and SEo and PR and such, but the conclusions we draw from what we see are often not what is actually taking place.
  
  Nobody outside of Google is going to know with any certainty what is taking place inside Google, and even if they do know, there is no guarantee that what is happening with their pages can be reproduced in a system that works for anyone else.
  
  There are plenty of good people selling systems based on their own results, which are never replicated by anyone else using that same system. They had no intention to deceive, but they got results that were singular.
  
  When the Squidoo slap came a few years back, that was the end of making money on Squidoo in a systematic way for most people. It took a lot to get Squidoo back into even the moderate good graces of Google, and much of the traffic to lenses comes from internal visitors.
  
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- PatrickBrianONeill 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  For linkjuice, relevance (of the site, not of the page) is everything. PR is almost nothing.
  
  As is overwhelmingly the case when I read one of your posts, I agree wholeheartedly. I believe systematic creation and ongoing maintenance of multiple websites centered around a common theme, niche or genre will be the most bullet-proof approach to developing high rankings and sustained traffic going forward, IMHO.
  
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Rienzi

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

My main purpose in creating lenses is not all about making money with squidoo page. It's more on backlinking to many main money site as I believe that squidoo pages gains fast PR than any other pages and I want to take it for granted. I see a lot of lenses that looks like a copied amazon product page so I can't really figure out their rules on "too commercial" thing.

Anyway, I will not create any lens (waste of time right now) until I got a convincing response.

Here's what I think.

1. those lense you see are ages ago when certain algorithms allow this level of quality on web 2.0 properties.
2. Honestly there are many high PR sites you can drive backlinks to your site and you are right to stop on this early.
3. On the other hand, instead of writing reviews. Write a general topic. Often times product reviews nowadays are considered commercial- not only in squidoo.
4. your submission is already mark- there are instances that when a certain post/lens is not approved and is submitted quite a few times the system will mark them. I'm not sure about this info though.I am just telling you what I have observed.

I hope this helps and enlightens you some how!

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Lib3rty

12 years ago

I have many squidoo lenses and convert with Clickbank and receive checks all of the time. These sites are mega-old but still bring home the bacon unlike many newer sites I hear don't convert as well with some of the algorithm changes. Here is my thoughts and answer for the problem I think you are having but it is purely hypothetical and not sure it's the exact cause.

Squidoo and Amazon have a partnership. You can use the Amazon module on any lens you build and if they convert, squidoo gets paid and you get some meaningless % of it. I'm thinking because you are trying to bypass them and convert using Amazon, you are in conflict with the squid and they aren't having it. Again, just a thought. To make it even worse.. Every lens I have (a LOT) has the Amazon module enabled and after many years and many Clickbank checks later, I've never received a check for my Amazon sales.

That's my guess for ya. Sorry if it isn't what you would like to hear....

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wendyann

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Lib3rty

I have many squidoo lenses and convert with Clickbank and receive checks all of the time. These sites are mega-old but still bring home the bacon unlike many newer sites I hear don't convert as well with some of the algorithm changes. Here is my thoughts and answer for the problem I think you are having but it is purely hypothetical and not sure it's the exact cause.

Squidoo and Amazon have a partnership. You can use the Amazon module on any lens you build and if they convert, squidoo gets paid and you get some meaningless % of it. I'm thinking because you are trying to bypass them and convert using Amazon, you are in conflict with the squid and they aren't having it. Again, just a thought. To make it even worse.. Every lens I have (a LOT) has the Amazon module enabled and after many years and many Clickbank checks later, I've never received a check for my Amazon sales.

That's my guess for ya. Sorry if it isn't what you would like to hear....

One thing to bear in mind is that Squidoo does get a higher commission from Amazon (more than 4%) Even if you have to share with them you may get just as much, if not more, than you would have with your own Amazon affiliate link.

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Ethansocial56

12 years ago

Squidoo is still working for me as part of my article marketing. This is very effective in getting traffic and back links.

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Adie

12 years ago

I'm thinking because you are trying to bypass them and convert using Amazon, you are in conflict with the squid and they aren't having it

I think you are right on this. I am not using the amazon module and used my own template instead so I think that was the one of the reasons. Anyway, Amazon already offers the lowest percentage and I don't think I can share that earnings to someone anymore. Having said, I think squidoo is not for me. I'm not used to run a site that is not under my control but anyway, even if I my main purpose is backlinking, it's still not acceptable for me to share my profit to someone that has no transparent policy when it comes top profit sharing...

Originally Posted by Ethansocial56

Squidoo is still working for me as part of my article marketing. This is very effective in getting traffic and back links.

I know it's working but that is not my question anyway...

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capitalalchemy 12 years ago

There are certain topics that Squidoo is not fond of. And the green light thing will get you nowhere. They never respond or resolve the issue. They really don't like commercialism.

I personally refrain from reviews on there, but have done it. Rather, the better approach for Squidoo is to find a problem that needs resolved that has strong buyer intent behind it. Help the people who will read your article grow or get a little closer to their end goal, and casually recommend a product to them.

The more helpful I have been in my Squidoo lenses, the more profit I have seen. Squidoo isn't for everyone though. I stumble upon these lenses that are so salesy and aren't working. It's not for hype.

People either hate that website or love it. I used to despise it and now I love it. One reason is I'm all for many of Godin's concepts, especially permission marketing, and like the example that they lead by.
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12 years ago

Hmm, I was considering getting this product as well but with your experience I'm glad I didn't...

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Adie

12 years ago

4. your submission is already mark- there are instances that when a certain post/lens is not approved and is

You maybe right on this point. That's why I just decided to delete those pending lenses and will try one mode time with informational article (not review) without endorsing any product. I will post update here whatever the result will be.

I tried hubpages before but considering that it does not allow linking images, and has limited formatting, I prefer not to continue as well.

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Meka Anilkumar

12 years ago

Instead of review you can use the story of personal experience with that product- Discuss how you benefited with that product - In short add your personalization in that content as a customer!

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shifat

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Meka Anilkumar

Instead of review you can use the story of personal experience with that product- Discuss how you benefited with that product - In short add your personalization in that content as a customer!

Anil

writing articles from your personal experience about products can be a difficult if you are not familiar with the product that well but i must agree here with you in this point,readers do like lenses that has personal touch then a review as i have seen clicks rate on much higher percentage on a personal experience lens.

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Slazengeer

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

You maybe right on this point. That's why I just decided to delete those pending lenses and will try one mode time with informational article (not review) without endorsing any product. I will post update here whatever the result will be.

I tried hubpages before but considering that it does not allow linking images, and has limited formatting, I prefer not to continue as well.

Hi friend, if you have "review" or "product review" written in your lens title, then just remove it and see the wonders. It's split second productive approach for approving all the review articles on Squidoo.

Use instead, "Know all about XXX" & " Do You Know about XXX"

Another thing, you can add the review or other buyer keywords in text modules, but ensure that your URL has the review keywords inscribed in it....

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Slazengeer

Hi friend, if you have "review" or "product review" written in your lens title, then just remove it and see the wonders. It's split second productive approach for approving all the review articles on Squidoo.

Use instead, "Know all about XXX" & " Do You Know about XXX"

Another thing, you can add the review or other buyer keywords in text modules, but ensure that your URL has the review keywords inscribed in it....

I don't have anything like that in my title. The title is an exact keyword similar to this one here. Hand Luggage Bags

The rejected lens has the exact similar layout and information. Only different topic..

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Richard Van

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I don't have anything like that in my title. The title is an exact keyword similar to this one here. Hand Luggage Bags

The rejected lens has the exact similar layout and information. Only different topic..

I know exactly who you bought that course from as I have a number of similar lenses I use to promote products that are new, about to come out or Christmas stuff.

I have never had any trouble with them and I know the owner of the product you bought doesn't either. Without seeing the rejected lens I couldn't tell you and it doesn't sound like Squidoo will either. That's annoying when you have an accepted lens that is the same.

I'm a little confused though. Earlier you said this was to drive traffic to your sites yet this particular method and the lens you have linked to is only linking to Amazon.

My main purpose in creating lenses is not all about making money with squidoo page. It's more on backlinking to many main money site as I believe that squidoo pages gains fast PR than any other pages and I want to take it for granted.

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I'm a little confused though. Earlier you said this was to drive traffic to your sites yet this particular method and the lens you have linked to is only linking to Amazon.

There is 1 hyperlink there that is pointing to my site. It's not all about traffic, it's about backlink. I don't want more than 1 link pointing to my site from the same source...

Originally Posted by JoeyXoto

Hey there,

Are you using a Blog, too? Why not use Squidoo to provide more valuable information about the niche, then just link back to the Blog; I no this creates more of a cycle, but Squidoo will be more likely to accept your content, and you can just have links on your Blog?

The issue is actually about acceptance and rejections and it has nothing to do with other sites...

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JoeyXoto

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

There is 1 hyperlink there that is pointing to my site. It's not all about traffic, it's about backlink. I don't want more than 1 link pointing to my site from the same source...

The issue is actually about acceptance and rejections and it has nothing to do with other sites...

What I'm saying is to switch your strategy; the articles are being rejected because they're "too commercial"; so leave the commercialised articles for your own blog, then on Squidoo, provide high quality content/valuable content with links back to your blog, where you can be as commercial as you like....

If you're not looking to boost your blog, then I suppose this don't make a difference.

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JoeyXoto

What I'm saying is to switch your strategy; the articles are being rejected because they're "too commercial"; so leave the commercialised articles for your own blog, then on Squidoo, provide high quality content/valuable content with links back to your blog, where you can be as commercial as you like....

If you're not looking to boost your blog, then I suppose this don't make a difference.

I now understand what you mean. But I still don't think the content was too commercialize. Anyway, I'll try one more time tonight with totally-non commercial article and let's see the result from there.

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kislany

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I don't have anything like that in my title. The title is an exact keyword similar to this one here. Hand Luggage Bags

The rejected lens has the exact similar layout and information. Only different topic..

Well this particular lens that you've linked to has hardly any content. I'm actually surprised it hasn't been flagged at Squidoo yet. An intro module and a line of text before loads of listings of products. I honestly don't believe that somebody who is real about Squidoo would post a WSO that has a layout with this very little content on it and expects people to make money with it. The images are cool and all (you can get the same image layout from Squidtools for free, I'm using the layout for a while now), but the products do need personalized descriptions for it all to work and really get noticed and ranked by Google.

One more thing - it has nothing to do with using your own Amazon affiliate links vs the ones from Squidoo - I have tons of lenses that use exclusively my own affiliate links or a mix of both. The problem is the balance between unique content (your own product description) and actual links to Amazon. You need more content than what that lens shown above has.

Btw a question - have you run this question by the person you bought the WSO from? Show them the lens and ask them to help you with it. Afterall that's what after sales support is all about.

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kislany

Btw a question - have you run this question by the person you bought the WSO from? Show them the lens and ask them to help you with it.

I have seen all samples and those lenses have more ads than mine. I don't have any plan to contact the seller. The seller have more than 300 active lenses so I don't think there is a problem with the layout. I believe it is between me and squidoo. It has nothing to do with the seller.

I agree that my active lends has hardly any content but I submitted it without further checking due to excitement and it was accepted so I don't want to touch it again and resubmit....

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kislany

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I have seen all samples and those lenses have more ads than mine.

But I bet they also have much more content. Have searched a bit around and I figured out who the WSO belongs to and upon seeing their account at Squidoo, indeed while they do have lots of ads (links going to Amazon), they also have lots more content - a good balance, just what I was talking about. So without actually seeing your lens, I do believe, however that your own ratio of ads vs content is the problem here.

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kislany

But I bet they also have much more content. Have searched a bit around and I figured out who the WSO belongs to and upon seeing their account at Squidoo, indeed while they do have lots of ads (links going to Amazon), they also have lots more content - a good balance, just what I was talking about. So without actually seeing your lens, I do believe, however that your own ratio of ads vs content is the problem here.

I don't want to show these lenses in public as I don't think that's a good idea but here is a raw data.

My approved lens:
ads = 13
# of words = 324

Reference lens:
ads = 20
# of words 367

Isn't it close?

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Rbtmarshall

12 years ago

I'm not into using black hat methods. But squidoo is a popular host for a 2nd tier page which has has relevant information with backlinks pointing to the main url you are trying to rank.

Than people blast their squidoo page with crappy tools or fiverr gigs that spam links to hundreds or thousands of urls backlinking to the squidoo page in hopes of passing some of that link juice to the main site.

I'm not suggesting that method, nor saying it works. Only mentioning that is the idea that is sold to people buying the crappy tools and backlink blasts

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clever7

12 years ago

Squidoo is helping me drive traffic to my websites besides being a way to build a passive income.

You should add valuable content to your lenses.

You can also write only one or two paragraphs from content you’ll find in other websites with their link in the end sending your readers to the website with the original article and get many views, and many squidoo points. Squidoo rewards you when people click on your links.

Find interesting information and mix it with your ads. Use many pictures, make your lens look interesting for the public.

Many people create lenses which are mainly stores. You only have to follow Squidoo’s rules. Get adapted to their system.

You have to keep pinging your lens and updating it, so that it may always have a good lensrank. Don’t just create a lens and abandon it.

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Ashley249

12 years ago

If you only want to make backlinks by Squidoo, I think it is not worth the time and energy. But I am not very experienced

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denysapu

12 years ago

It also happened to me!
I was fairly frustrated with Squidoo lately. Only 7 lense life, and several times fail to add with the reason "it's too commercial'.
I believe I came up with a pretty good article. For some cases, I divert it to guest post.

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newbiz74

12 years ago

I am having the same trouble. Just bought a course on warrior yesterday. The first lens was rejected.. Followed all the guidelines

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JoeyXoto

12 years ago

Hey there,

Are you using a Blog, too? Why not use Squidoo to provide more valuable information about the niche, then just link back to the Blog; I no this creates more of a cycle, but Squidoo will be more likely to accept your content, and you can just have links on your Blog?

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Nicola Lane

12 years ago

Squidoo is completely transparent about how much they will pay you.

On this page: Getting Started With Squidoo (The official overview, FAQ and TOS)
Which can be accessed by clicking "hints & tips" (right at the top after you have logged in)
They say:

A more direct way to understand the money breakdown is this: We put ads on lenses, and offer lensmasters the ability to recommend products they can sell via our affiliate programs with Amazon, eBay, CafePress and others. Revenue that the company receives is split like this: We keep 50% to pay server bills, a few salaries, keep the site running, and make donations to charity. That leaves 50% which we give directly to our lensmasters (that's you) for your good work. You can then either take your royalty payouts in cash via PayPal, or donate your royalties to one of a few hundred great charities. It's that simple.

When you look at the Amazon Associates payments schedule:
https://affiliate-program.amazon.com..._link_128887_1
You can see what this actually means for you.

In addition, squidoo will pay you by paypal. Amazon associates pays by bank trnasfer (as long as you are not in a banned state), or by cheque if you are and international affiliate. For a lot of people using the squidoo links will actually make them more money (especially allowing for the time and cost of getting a paper cheque!)

Also - contact the seller and ask for her help - she is a really nice person and this is just the sort of thing where she may be able to make some good suggestions.

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Jean Morgan

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Last couple of days, I purchased a WSO course for squidoo-amazon thing. The very first lens I created was approved without any problem and is now online. The seocnd lens was rejected for some kind of "too commercial" reason. I edited everything and still the same. I was frustrated and requested green lighting. While waiting for the response, I created another one.

Here again the same problem. I posted 3 unique review articles with product links and added another 6 products links and videos and everything - Squidoo says it's too commercial. I removed all links and posted just plain review articles leaving onl 1 link at the bottom and still squidoo says "it's too commercial". How can it be too commercial when there is only 1 amazon link?

Anyone experiencing the same problem? I have a big plan for squidoo but if this is the case, I might stop give it up early..

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I do quite a lot of Amazon/Squidoo and I think I may also have a copy of the WSO you are alluding to plus several others by the same person.

Two things for you to do. Firstly read every single word of the materials you have been provided with at least 2 more times. Follow the instructions given to the letter. No shortcuts or missing bits out.
I say this because I have built 5 lenses using this since Saturday. Only the lens I built 3 hours ago is not on Page #1 of google as of this moment. My lenses are getting visitors and are making sales. I am very happy.

Second thing to do is to contact the writer of the WSO and ask for advice and help. If it is who I think it is then you will get more help than you can imagine.

Another thing you can think about is exactly what is your reason for building Squidoo lenses. Do you want to promote products and make money from the sales or do you just want a few backlinks to your website. Seriously your purpose is currently confused and that will lead to poor rsults.

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jean Morgan

Another thing you can think about is exactly what is your reason for building Squidoo lenses. Do you want to promote products and make money from the sales or do you just want a few backlinks to your website. Seriously your purpose is currently confused and that will lead to poor rsults.

I'll just create another one and see the result.

In addition, squidoo will pay you by paypal. Amazon associates pays by bank trnasfer (as long as you are not in a banned state), or by cheque if you are and international affiliate. For a lot of people using the squidoo links will actually make them more money (especially allowing for the time and cost of getting a paper cheque!)

Does squidoo still take a certain Amazon earning percentage even if you put your affiliate link directly and not through Amazon module?

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Sojourn

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Last couple of days, I purchased a WSO course for squidoo-amazon thing. The very first lens I created was approved without any problem and is now online.

Adie - As an experienced lensmaster, I believe I can answer your questions but I did want to confirm that you had one lens go through with no problem, right? Only the second one (and then a 3rd) received the "too commercial" message?

Originally Posted by Adie

The seocnd lens was rejected for some kind of "too commercial" reason. I edited everything and still the same. I was frustrated and requested green lighting. While waiting for the response, I created another one.

Anyone experiencing the same problem? I have a big plan for squidoo but if this is the case, I might stop give it up early..

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First, I looked at the handbag lens and you did not follow the instructions I believe you're supposed to follow. Looks like you're missing several modules which would add more content to your lens.

Second, the "too commercial" message is a blanket filter that Squidoo uses to prevent duplicate content. It is a bit aggressive in that sometimes I have seen a lens blocked for even a short phrase that seems pretty general in nature.

However, these phrases do tend to have something in common. They're what I call "flowery" writing. There's no heart, no soul, no real voice behind the writing. They read like sentences snipped from a catalog. That's what I see in the sample lens you shared above.

To fix this, as Jean mentioned (because I think she saw what I saw - you missed a few steps), go back through and follow the instructions. Then, rewrite the content. Write as if you're writing to a friend. Think about the person who will be visiting your lens and write for them. Not fluffy statements, but something meatier. I believe you have samples lenses to refer to so you can see what I mean.

For a handbag lens, if you're a woman you have a ton of experience about purses to draw from to come up with something helpful to say. If you're a guy writing about handbags, you must know a woman who uses one and you can even say something like "I polled my wife and her two closest friends and they tell me these are the most important things they look for when buying a new purse....(and then list those things out)." Don't make up stuff but pull from your personal experience to find something useful to add for the lens visitor.

I do think you should contact the product creator for assistance and, yes, I do know who that is. I think she'd be more than happy to help you.

Originally Posted by Lib3rty

Squidoo and Amazon have a partnership. You can use the Amazon module on any lens you build and if they convert, squidoo gets paid and you get some meaningless % of it. I'm thinking because you are trying to bypass them and convert using Amazon, you are in conflict with the squid and they aren't having it.

Just to clarify - that's not the case. Squidoo is very supportive of lensmasters using their own Amazon affiliate links. They do not count doing so against a lensmaster nor do they use the existence of such links to prevent a lens from being published.

Originally Posted by capitalalchemy

There are certain topics that Squidoo is not fond of. And the green light thing will get you nowhere. They never respond or resolve the issue. They really don't like commercialism.

That's not true, either, although I think they have gone through phases where the response times were longer than folks would like. They do respond and I've assisted folks who had to go through the greenlight process. I've seen the responses. On average, they all heard back in about a week.

Originally Posted by Adie

I'll just create another one and see the result.

Does squidoo still take a certain Amazon earning percentage even if you put your affiliate link directly and not through Amazon module?

No, Squidoo does not take a percentage of the Amazon commissions made through use of your own affiliate links.

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Richard Van

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Sojourn

For a handbag lens, if you're a woman you have a ton of experience about purses to draw from to come up with something helpful to say. If you're a guy writing about handbags, you must know a woman.....

....Or a cross dresser.

They like handbags too.

Ask Bill Platt.

On a serious note, it is very encouraging to see a product creator, who I personally think is one of the most honest, decent people I've come across, taking the time to come here and help Adie so much.

Well done Erica and I'd recommend anyone else that uses this method, for whatever reason, to copy and paste her responses here for future reference.

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Sojourn 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

....Or a cross dresser.

They like handbags too.

Ask Bill Platt.

LOL! Now, see - you caught me totally thinking *inside* the box.

(I'll leave Bill to defend himself or not as he chooses.)
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  Yes, lets see.
  
  I just thought he'd look the funniest as a cross dresser, or Caliban. In fact Paul Myers and Thad would look funny too.
  
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ComputerGirl

12 years ago

From my experience lately it is much harder to get published lenses as it was just few years ago. Also I do not get that how they un-publish my lenses that were life before. Time by time I login in Squidoo area and find out that few of my lenses are offline, no matter that before they were published. Then all I do is push edit and again publish, sometimes it works to get it back to published status but sometimes not.

With the latest lense I published I could not get the reason why they are not allowing me to publish it. Finally, when I removed almost all tags that I have added they published it. Still, I was completely confused as I tried to correct the content, so in the result I think that my lense become less user friendly as it was before I started to remove content that I could not figure out Squidoo likes or doesn't ...

Mainly I use them for backlinks and also for getting traffic to my sites.

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ComputerGirl

From my experience lately it is much harder to get published lenses as it was just few years ago. Also I do not get that how they un-publish my lenses that were life before. Time by time I login in Squidoo area and find out that few of my lenses are offline, no matter that before they were published. Then all I do is push edit and again publish, sometimes it works to get it back to published status but sometimes not.

Mainly I use them for backlinks and also for getting traffic to my sites.

The problem with these kind of sites (squidoo, hubpages) is that, they don't have active support or at least an active community forum...

Anyway, I just created another lens about experience in hiking in Boulder, Colorado and the lens was just rejected. I think the rejection is already marked in my profile. How can they say low quality content when I am not promoting something with totally unique article based on personal experience?

I'll just end it here. It's not worth wasting time. Squidoo failed my last and final test...

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DWolfe

12 years ago

I took at look at your hand bag Lens, it turned me off right away. Once pass the top part there are multiple adds for hand bags. It looks like over kill to me. That lens will fall off the map quickly.

Squidoo and Hub Pages were spanked by google in the past. I'm sure they do not want to be spanked again. If you build a Lens that gets people interested and involved I'm sure you could sell Amazon products there. However nothing in the Hand bag lens does that. It may be the reason your other Len's are not going to be approved. It would pay to go back and edit your first Lens by adding more content and removing the majority of the Amazon Adds. See what happens.

Originally Posted by Adie

The problem with these kind of sites (squidoo, hubpages) How can they say low quality content when I am not promoting something with totally unique article based on personal experience?

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Adie

12 years ago

Originally Posted by DWolfe

I took at look at your hand bag Lens, it turned me off right away. Once pass the top part there are multiple adds for hand bags. It looks like over kill to me. That lens will fall off the map quickly.

Squidoo and Hub Pages were spanked by google in the past. I'm sure they do not want to be spanked again. If you build a Lens that gets people interested and involved I'm sure you could sell Amazon products there. However nothing in the Hand bag lens does that. It may be the reason your other Len's are not going to be approved. It would pay to go back and edit your first Lens by adding more content and removing the majority of the Amazon Adds. See what happens.

Not worth the time anymore...I have better things to do..

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WebPen

12 years ago

I haven't bought the product or seen your lenses, so I don't know what kind of articles you're writing....

But remember what Squidoo is.

A lot of people just "hang out " on Squidoo. They go from lens to lens, learning stuff, reading jokes, or sharing things they've learned.

It wasn't designed to be a replacement to Amazon's customer review function.

You might be better off writing informative articles about something besides the products, and then just include the Amazon module to link to things that could be related.

So you can write about Guild Wars 2, and then the Amazon module can promote GW2 guides or something.

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smna1586

12 years ago

I have encountered with a similar problem like OP. But I'm not disappointed at all, I know I can work it up. I asked about it in the Squidoo forum and got responded within an hour, so I can't complain at all. The thing is, it's a free platform and you need to play by the rules not play against the rules. After so much arguments the OP still did not shared the lens he is talking about, maybe that could help other warriors to help the OP. Giving up is the easiest thing to do but making it work is not that easy. I'm not going to give it up until I'm successful.

My lens has a review word in the title but it's not a commercial article at all, it's about how positive product reviews help increase sales. Totally informative but still I was advised to work on my presentation. Using more pictures and breaking it down helps a lot. Oh, I forgot traffic and Squidoo likes helps as well (I've got 2 likes so far); at least the moderator advised so. Let's see what happens when I republish the lens tomorrow.
Making money with the lens is not my concern as I can't receive the money. Paypal is not supported here, so I'm donating anything I earn. My goal is to showcase my work, the article is good and informative but still Squidoo kept it in WIP section. Hopefully I will be able to get the lens featured. Just thought I should share my experience with you all.

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Sojourn

12 years ago

Originally Posted by smna1586

I have encountered with a similar problem like OP. But I'm not disappointed at all, I know I can work it up. I asked about it in the Squidoo forum and got responded within an hour, so I can't complain at all.

For anyone who ever gets the "too commercial" message when publishing a lens, here are the steps you can take to find the phrase that's triggering the filter and fix it so you can move forward:

Copy ALL of the code and content for each module and paste it into a text file so you don't lose it.

Take one module at a time (skipping the intro module) and delete any content you wrote, save the lens, and try to publish again. If it publishes, whatever you just deleted included the phrase that tripped the filter. If it's not a lot of text, remove the first sentence and try to publish. If it still won't publish, put that sentence back in and remove the second sentence. Keep removing one sentence at a time to find the one that's triggering the filter. If it's a lot of text, remove one paragraph at a time to try to narrow down the one paragraph that might contain the phrase triggering the filter.
If the lens still doesn’t publish, put the content you deleted back in and move to the next module to try the same thing.
If you’ve gone through all the content and removing each piece one at a time didn’t work, then the phrase might be in your intro module. Rewrite the intro module one sentence at a time and try to publish again.

In the past six months, I've mentored people through almost two hundred lenses and only 9 of those lenses ran into this problem. Of those, 6 were fixed with the method described above and 3 had to go through the greenlight process because we couldn't find the phrase. Of the three, only one was not approved.

Also, if your lens reverts to WIP status, that is something different. That means that the lens has a lensrank higher than 400,000. Squidoo applies a no-index tag to those lenses because they want to keep their portfolio as clean as possible and lenses with a high lensrank tend to be those that get very few visitors and haven't been updated in ages.

To lower your lensrank, update your lens for a few days in a row. To update it, find a long-tail keyword related to your topic, add a new module with that long-tail as the module title and put together some great content for that keyword. Share the lens in Squidoo FB groups, ask for feedback through the Squidoo Forum in the Critique Me section, share your lens through your Twitter account, and visit other peoples' lenses. When you visit other lenses and leave a nice comment about their lens, some percentage of lensmasters will visit your lenses in return and that can help with your likes and visits.

You don't have to do that for every lens and you don't have to do that all the time if you don't like but if you have a problem lens those steps can help.

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smna1586

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Sojourn

For anyone who ever gets the "too commercial" message when publishing a lens, here are the steps you can take to find the phrase that's triggering the filter and fix it so you can move forward:

Copy ALL of the code and content for each module and paste it into a text file so you don't lose it.

Take one module at a time (skipping the intro module) and delete any content you wrote, save the lens, and try to publish again. If it publishes, whatever you just deleted included the phrase that tripped the filter. If it's not a lot of text, remove the first sentence and try to publish. If it still won't publish, put that sentence back in and remove the second sentence. Keep removing one sentence at a time to find the one that's triggering the filter. If it's a lot of text, remove one paragraph at a time to try to narrow down the one paragraph that might contain the phrase triggering the filter.
If the lens still doesn't publish, put the content you deleted back in and move to the next module to try the same thing.
If you've gone through all the content and removing each piece one at a time didn't work, then the phrase might be in your intro module. Rewrite the intro module one sentence at a time and try to publish again.

In the past six months, I've mentored people through almost two hundred lenses and only 9 of those lenses ran into this problem. Of those, 6 were fixed with the method described above and 3 had to go through the greenlight process because we couldn't find the phrase. Of the three, only one was not approved.

Also, if your lens reverts to WIP status, that is something different. That means that the lens has a lensrank higher than 400,000. Squidoo applies a no-index tag to those lenses because they want to keep their portfolio as clean as possible and lenses with a high lensrank tend to be those that get very few visitors and haven't been updated in ages.

To lower your lensrank, update your lens for a few days in a row. To update it, find a long-tail keyword related to your topic, add a new module with that long-tail as the module title and put together some great content for that keyword. Share the lens in Squidoo FB groups, ask for feedback through the Squidoo Forum in the Critique Me section, share your lens through your Twitter account, and visit other peoples' lenses. When you visit other lenses and leave a nice comment about their lens, some percentage of lensmasters will visit your lenses in return and that can help with your likes and visits.

You don't have to do that for every lens and you don't have to do that all the time if you don't like but if you have a problem lens those steps can help.

Thanks for the useful and educative information. I must say I've learned a lot.

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Adie

12 years ago

For anyone who ever gets the "too commercial" message when publishing a lens, here are the steps you can take to find the phrase that's triggering the filter and fix it so you can move forward:

Copy ALL of the code and content for each module and paste it into a text file so you don't lose it.

Take one module at a time (skipping the intro module) and delete any content you wrote, save the lens, and try to publish again. If it publishes, whatever you just deleted included the phrase that tripped the filter. If it's not a lot of text, remove the first sentence and try to publish. If it still won't publish, put that sentence back in and remove the second sentence. Keep removing one sentence at a time to find the one that's triggering the filter. If it's a lot of text, remove one paragraph at a time to try to narrow down the one paragraph that might contain the phrase triggering the filter.
If the lens still doesn’t publish, put the content you deleted back in and move to the next module to try the same thing.
If you’ve gone through all the content and removing each piece one at a time didn’t work, then the phrase might be in your intro module. Rewrite the intro module one sentence at a time and try to publish again.

I'll try this whenever I have enough time. I am not aware that we can publish a lens even with single but clean module..

Update... Now this is making me crazy...

I just created another one and:

Introduction module = approved (see below)

Things to Consider when Choosing the 3 Season Sleeping Bag

A 3 season sleeping bag is an ideal type of sleeping bag when going camping to temperatures of about 20 degrees and below. However, with the numerous 3 season sleeping bags out there, not all are made to be the best and you may need to take your time choosing what's best before you buy. Here are the most important things to consider when choosing the best 3 season sleeping bag

First text module without ad - disapproved (see below)

Types of 3 Season Sleeping Bag

There are two types of 3 season sleeping bags; the synthetic and the down bags. Synthetic bags are cheaper and manageable even when wet, while down bags are lighter, but it’s difficult to manage when wet as they cannot easily be tossed in the dryer. Determine what you need when it comes to the types of 3 seasons sleeping bags first whether the features you need are found in a synthetic or down sleeping bag.

It didn't accepted the above text module so I tried to lower the density of "3 season sleeping bag" = failed. Removed "cheaper" = failed, removed that last sentence = failed, removed the first sentence = failed.

Out of curiosity, I copied something from another website and replaced the above paragraph with the one below.

Convenient, simple and ridiculously easy to use, the EyeBag is a re-usable warm compress which treats a variety of eyelid and eye problems. Eye Surgeons, doctors and opticians frequently advise regular use of a warm compress but hot wet face flannels are a real hassle and less effective than the MGDRX EyeBag.

LOL, can you see? The above paragraph is about eye bag and it was accepted!!! whoahhhh this is making me crazy.... see this: http://www.squidoo.com/3-season-sleeping-bag

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Sojourn

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I'll try this whenever I have enough time. I am not aware that we can publish a lens even with single but clean module..

You can't publish a lens with just a single module. What you do is change the content out one module at a time. When it can publish, you know the text in the module showing replacement content was the module containing the phrase that's triggering the filter.

The challenge might be that you have phrases in multiple modules triggering the filter and then you have to replace multiple modules at a time. Fortunately, that's rarely the case in my experience but you have to realize it's a possibility.

Originally Posted by Adie

Update... Now this is making me crazy...

I just created another one and:

Introduction module = approved (see below)

First text module without ad - disapproved (see below)

It didn't accepted the above text module so I tried to lower the density of "3 season sleeping bag" = failed. Removed "cheaper" = failed, removed that last sentence = failed, removed the first sentence = failed.

Out of curiosity, I copied something from another website and replaced the above paragraph with the one below.

LOL, can you see? The above paragraph is about eye bag and it was accepted!!! whoahhhh this is making me crazy.... see this: 3 Season Sleeping Bag

Adie - it's not about keyword density. It's about some phrase in your content that the filter is programmed to block because of the likelihood it's duplicate content, potentially spam, or too commercial/promotional. It's a specific word or phrase and when you find it and remove it, the lens should be able to be published.

The filter also doesn't care if your lens is about sleeping bags but you write about bed bugs. It doesn't look for quality of your content or a match between your content and your title. Although, if you leave a lens live too long with content you copied from somewhere else you'll run into a completely different issue - as in having the lens locked, removed, and a warning notice sent your way.

However, the fact that you could publish without that second module gives you the clue you need - the phrase being rejected is in that module.

Again - I suggest you contact the product creator and work individually on your lens to get it corrected.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

LOL, can you see? The above paragraph is about eye bag and it was accepted!!! whoahhhh this is making me crazy.... see this: http://www.squidoo.com/3-season-sleeping-bag

Oups, been taken down again

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Sojourn 12 years ago

Originally Posted by kislany

Oups, been taken down again

Not surprising as it was published with little content and the last time I saw it, still included the copied content.
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Adie 12 years ago

Originally Posted by kislany

Oups, been taken down again

Yes, the content was lorem ipsum dolor so it was taken down. I created it just a sample...

I'll try to figure out everything whenever I have time..

Thanks for all the suggestions..
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Randall Magwood

12 years ago

There's always the option of using a different site (which i woulda did).

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Adie 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Randall Magwood

There's always the option of using a different site (which i woulda did).

This is all about squidoo and not any other sites. yes, there are hundreds of thousands of other options and I already knew about it... Turning your back from a problem is not a solution at this moment..
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nicedood

12 years ago

I've had a very similar problem as the OP. I've posted very good, original and long articles just to have the rejected by the filter. I started another account and got 3 posts approved just to have the jerks at Squidoo tell me that they were duplicate content from "all over the internet" ... what a bunch of liars, I created the content myself!

It seems the only thing Squidoo is good for now is for linking purposes, and you need to find an established Squidoo poster and have them post articles to their accounts to get them approved and stay around for more than a day.

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clever7

12 years ago

You can find all the information you need about Squidoo without paying a cent. There are numerous lenses that give you clear guidance about everything. Here is one of them:

http://www.squidoo.com/passive-income-website-traffic-squidoo-beginners-guide

I had many problems with the creation of lenses in the beginning, but everything is very simple once you learn the basics, including how to get traffic.

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smna1586

12 years ago

Now, as I promised I'm updating my status. After a few changes my lens is approved and got featured. What I did was changed the category of the lens and assigned an appropriate one. Other than that I have made a little change in the intro module, added a poll module and it's published.

My experience is a lens could be published with "Review" word in the title. You will need to add useful content and should get some Squidoo likes; that's it.

The end result: My second lens with an dofollow link pointing to one of my content is published and ranking pretty high for the section. The lens is ranking 1760 in Internet section and overall ranking is currently 112757.

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obatkuat

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Last couple of days, I purchased a WSO course for squidoo-amazon thing. The very first lens I created was approved without any problem and is now online. The seocnd lens was rejected for some kind of "too commercial" reason. I edited everything and still the same. I was frustrated and requested green lighting. While waiting for the response, I created another one.

Here again the same problem. I posted 3 unique review articles with product links and added another 6 products links and videos and everything - Squidoo says it's too commercial. I removed all links and posted just plain review articles leaving onl 1 link at the bottom and still squidoo says "it's too commercial". How can it be too commercial when there is only 1 amazon link?

Anyone experiencing the same problem? I have a big plan for squidoo but if this is the case, I might stop give it up early..

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Hello.I have faced this situation many times...My suggestion is..If you don't want to work hard to create lens and then rejected..You can outsorce..just search in fiverr..with just $ you will get a 400 word lens with backlinks..

Good luck my friend..

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Michael Franklin

12 years ago

I haven't touched my Squidoo lenses for some time and I can tell you that ClickBank products sell very well.

What works for me is to promote non-IM products but in a very subtle way.

Let me give you an example....

One of my successful lenses has to do with a government car auction ClickBank product. So what I did was came up with various modules that covers how to succeed at car auctions. I would add new modules every day that talked about some facet of this. The wealth of videos out there alone made it very easy to do so.

Even though you are competing with Squidoo's ads, visitors tend to stick around your lens long enough....I've found much better conversion rates when compared to old articles on the article directories.

Squidoo is still worth pursuing but the mindset should be 90% information and 10% affiliate linking. Focus on adding new modules as often as you can and learn how to raise your lens' rank. If you do that, you will be able to develop "set and forget" lenses that will yield you commissions for a long time.

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Stuart Walker

12 years ago

Try and put up plain articles first with no links, give it a week or two then add links to your money site or wherever, sometimes that can work. Puts you under the radar for the first week or so.

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smna1586

12 years ago

My first Squidoo lens don't have any link at all but the lens made me more than $100 so far and still passing some lead juice to my portfolio. I wrote an unique article and created a lens with that because I needed my work samples and as you all know, there are a few mega niche that people usually works with like health, fashion, relationship etc. Then I went to Odesk and I showed that lens as my work sample to a few potential clients; one of them was looking for content on the same niche, so with no competition I was selected and had done a bunch of content at a decent rate. That client alone awarded me jobs worth more than $100 and still working for the client.

That was my story of earning with Squidoo lens and I've found that it works in other niches as well. So I'm going to put a few more lenses on various hot niches and will continue to showcase them as my work samples, hopefully I will get more jobs like this.

As I should let you know that I'm working as a professional content writer and it's pretty tough for us to get a decent rate as I'm not native. I hope you understand what I meant with the word "Tough".

Btw, if you guys know how to get decent rates for quality unique contents please let me know. I'm looking for a way to get frequent writing jobs, I'm slow and maybe not 100% grammatically correct but I can get the job done on time. My writings are improving day by day, I'm pretty confident that I will keep improving my writing skills.

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samjaynz

12 years ago

I'd like to give the method a try (if only so I can have something to blog about down the track). However, I can't get logged into Squidoo using the "Log In With Twitter" function. Seeing as this is a Squidoo thread, has anybody got any ideas/solutions here?

Oh and yeah, Squidoo can be a decent enough way to get started making some useful Amazon cash. Especially if you don't qualify for the Amazon Associates program itself (or if you've been banned from them in the past)

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marketerSPB

12 years ago

I am not a very big fan of Squidoo at all, I haven't had much luck with them but I've avoided the product completely because it seems to be of lower quality.

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Sarevok

12 years ago

It all depends upon the quality of your lens IMO.

I've pushed major traffic with a lens but I paid good money for some kickass content (and contributed some of mine)

Point is, you'll never get "something for nothing" - you have to make it good, and make it "make sense"

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beawang

11 years ago

Hi!

I have tried to do the steps outlined by Sojourn to my lens that won't get published. I deleted one of the modules, saved the draft, and clicked publish. It gave me a prompt that says my lens is too commercial and of low quality content. Then, the lens was locked. I can't publish it anymore. It says I can edit but what good would that do?

How do they determine low quality content? My lens is full of personal experience and it wasn't spun content or anything, they are all original content. I copied it and have saved it as a text file and I can send it to whoever wants to read it.

I'm at my wit's end. How will I ever get this lens published!

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Originally Posted by beawang

How will I ever get this lens published!

The reality is that nobody can confidently answer this question. That, in itself, illustrates the underlying problem with Squidoo, and is why you'd be better off using the content on a site you yourself own and control (even if it's on decent, reliable, free hosting somewhere), rather than at Squidoo.

This post also explains why you shouldn't use Squidoo for it, in my opinion: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8109462 <---- click the link

This thread had its previous post nearly a year before your post just above. But this much more recent and up-to-date thread illustrates current Warrior thinking about Squidoo: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ll-viable.html

Not to mention this little thread, started only the other day by a former Squidoo enthusiast: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-squidont.html

Sorry to sound "unhelpful", but in reality a "strategic re-think" is going to help you more than finding an answer to the specific question you've asked, here.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by beawang

Hi!

I have tried to do the steps outlined by Sojourn to my lens that won't get published. I deleted one of the modules, saved the draft, and clicked publish. It gave me a prompt that says my lens is too commercial and of low quality content. Then, the lens was locked. I can't publish it anymore. It says I can edit but what good would that do?

How do they determine low quality content? My lens is full of personal experience and it wasn't spun content or anything, they are all original content. I copied it and have saved it as a text file and I can send it to whoever wants to read it.

I'm at my wit's end. How will I ever get this lens published!

I am on Sojourn's list and recently receive a email from her and she is getting away from Squidoo herself. Remember the thread you are posting to is a year old and a lot has changed since then. So I would not really waste my time with Squidoo anymore. I have 2 of her Squidoo products that now will just collect dust

al

Thanks

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