PROMOTING MONEY MAKING PRODUCTS. YES OR NO ?

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Dear Warriors.

I have a little question which am sure i wont be the only one who is waiting for a rough answer for. Promoting money making products, is it a good idea. Am a newbie, well i have been doing research for like 6 months now(wayyy to long) but now its time to take action. Anyway, the question is say i promote a money making product, most people may ask for a refund as they know how the game is played(Affiliate marketing) and even if they don't, 100% money back guarantee is mentioned so many times that they will definitely wont miss it, but at the same time if you promote a fitness or any other products is there a bigger chance of actually making MONEY and not JUST SALES ?

What do you think ?
#making #money #products #promoting
  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by Jacob Pionke View Post

    Dear Warriors.

    I have a little question which am sure i wont be the only one who is waiting for a rough answer for. Promoting money making products, is it a good idea. Am a newbie, well i have been doing research for like 6 months now(wayyy to long) but now its time to take action. Anyway, the question is say i promote a money making product, most people may ask for a refund as they know how the game is played(Affiliate marketing) and even if they don't, 100% money back guarantee is mentioned so many times that they will definitely wont miss it, but at the same time if you promote a fitness or any other products is there a bigger chance of actually making MONEY and not JUST SALES ?

    What do you think ?
    I work in the IM niche. Here's what I suggest. It' okay for a newbie to work in the IM niche, but I don't think it should be the first niche you work in. People in the IM niche are very skeptical. Before you promote products to them, it's important that you actually have success with one. This means that you need to work outside of the IM niche first.

    One thing that you could do as a newbie to get your foot in the door is to document your success with a particular product (like doing a case study), This will really bolster your credibility. In addition, you could promote said offer as a legitimate alternative to all the crappy products that come out in the IM niche. This works quite well.

    Good luck,
    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Remember, there is a reason people add the money back guarantees...it works to help make more profit...not just sales. It's up to you what to promote, but don't think that refund guarantees will make that product/offer/promotion less money...it normally works out to be the opposite, which is why the vendor does it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Originally Posted by Jacob Pionke View Post

    What do you think ?
    Don't sell what you don't know, don't teach what you haven't learned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Jacob Pionke View Post

    Promoting money making products, is it a good idea. Am a newbie
    In that case, I give the idea a big, round, perfectly-formed "noooooooo".

    Promoting MMO and/or "IM" products as a newbie is probably the single commonest reason for people venturing into internet marketing being unsuccessful. And there's a variety of reasons for that, of course. But the bottom line is that it's a fairly sure-fire way of stacking the deck pretty firmly against yourself in an industry not exactly noted for its high overall success-rate in the first place. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      In that case, I give the idea a big, round, perfectly-formed "noooooooo".

      Promoting MMO and/or "IM" products as a newbie is probably the single commonest reason for people venturing into internet marketing being unsuccessful. And there's a variety of reasons for that, of course. But the bottom line is that it's a fairly sure-fire way of stacking the deck pretty firmly against yourself in an industry not exactly noted for its high overall success-rate in the first place. :p
      No difference, its a simple concept...you conduct you're research and offer
      The solution to whoever needs it.

      So in other words one can't just come up with a killer "Acne curing product"
      unless they have actually had acne themselves & cured it? Hmmmm.
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      • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
        Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

        No difference, its a simple concept...you conduct you're research and offer
        The solution to whoever needs it.

        So in other words one can't just come up with a killer "Acne curing product"
        unless they have actually had acne themselves & cured it? Hmmmm.
        Are you insinuating that someone can just "come up with" a cure acne product?
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

          Are you insinuating that someone can just "come up with" a cure acne product?
          Challenge accepted (I agree with you though, weak analogy on Kal's part).





          Joe's Miracle Cure for Acne

          Chapter One: Wash Ur Face

          Jesus, you're all sweaty and dirty. No wonder your face looks like a pizza. You know what? You just made me hate pizza. I'm bumping the price $47 for that.

          Chapter Two: Buy This Stuff

          I swear this isn't an affiliate link; but it'll help for the ugliness that comes with your acne.

          Chapter Three: The Next Book

          Still got acne? Don't worry! My next book will really be the one that cures it!
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          • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
            Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

            Challenge accepted (I agree with you though, weak analogy on Kal's part).





            Joe's Miracle Cure for Acne

            Chapter One: Wash Ur Face

            Jesus, you're all sweaty and dirty. No wonder your face looks like a pizza. You know what? You just made me hate pizza. I'm bumping the price $47 for that.

            Chapter Two: Buy This Stuff

            I swear this isn't an affiliate link; but it'll help for the ugliness that comes with your acne.

            Chapter Three: The Next Book

            Still got acne? Don't worry! My next book will really be the one that cures it!
            That's if you are a newbie marketer whos stuff is well..half a**

            But all you're stuff should be KILLER stuff that truly helps people...
            While you earn a small fortune in the process, and be able to sleep better:p
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
          Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

          Are you insinuating that someone can just "come up with" a cure acne product?
          Umm yeah in about a 10 minutes phone call and a few hundred bucks.

          Go here Private Label Skin Care Manufacturer | Natural Skin Care Contract Manufacturer | Wholesale OEM Skin Care | Cosmetic Solutions | Home Page

          throw your label on it

          sell it.

          I own a vitamin company and know nothing about vitamins...
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          • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
            Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

            Umm yeah in about a 10 minutes phone call and a few hundred bucks.

            Go here Private Label Skin Care Manufacturer | Natural Skin Care Contract Manufacturer | Wholesale OEM Skin Care | Cosmetic Solutions | Home Page

            throw your label on it

            sell it.

            I own a vitamin company and know nothing about vitamins...
            Exactly my point. As a close relative of someone who has suffered from acne for a long time and tried a ton of different product, I can tell you that this attitude is complete bullshit.

            What you'd be selling here might be great for people with occasional outbreaks, or even just people who want to take good care of their skin, but as an acne cure, it's a load of crap.

            Then again, it's not actually about curing acne right? It's about getting some money from someone with a problem.

            Thank you for proving my point, and in case anyone has missed it:

            This attitude that you can just do some research, throw together a product and sell it might work in some niches, but there are plenty in which your product will be at best useless and at worst potentially a scam.

            Here's a little food for thought: If you're not a goddamn Doctor, you shouldn't be telling or selling on how to cure anything.
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            • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
              Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

              Exactly my point. As a close relative of someone who has suffered from acne for a long time and tried a ton of different product, I can tell you that this attitude is complete bullshit.

              What you'd be selling here might be great for people with occasional outbreaks, or even just people who want to take good care of their skin, but as an acne cure, it's a load of crap.

              Then again, it's not actually about curing acne right? It's about getting some money from someone with a problem.

              Thank you for proving my point, and in case anyone has missed it:

              This attitude that you can just do some research, throw together a product and sell it might work in some niches, but there are plenty in which your product will be at best useless and at worst potentially a scam.

              Here's a little food for thought: If you're not a goddamn Doctor, you shouldn't be telling or selling on how to cure anything.
              Did you even go to that site?

              These are tangible products with exact same ingredients you find in any retail store facial cleanser/ acne product, not some compiled article telling you to wash your face...

              They're even developed by scientist and whatnot

              True the use of the word "cure" cannot be used unless approved by the FDA.

              But what your describing is someone that is in need of a dermatologist - completely different ballgame there.
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              • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
                Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                Did you even go to that site?

                These are tangible products with exact same ingredients you find in any retail store facial cleanser/ acne product, not some co;piled article telling you to wash your face...

                They're even developed by scientist too!
                I did go to the site. I also didn't see a single product in the skin section claiming to cure acne, or even specifically designed to treat acne. I also know that acne essentially has no cure except for some very serious medical treatments, which even then don't always work. For a lot of sufferers it can be managed, but for those who have it the worst, it often can't.

                It also often leaves scars on people, which sometimes can be reduced or maybe even removed, but for a lot of them the scars also go deeper than the skin because those with terrible acne often have a very hard time growing up, suffer from low self-esteem, etc.

                But then again, that company's products are even developed by scientists!!!

                Once again, you've demonstrated my point. You yourself clearly know nothing about acne, you also don't have a clue about what's in these products or what medical effects the ingredients may or may not have. You just know that they're "developed by scientists".

                Yet you clearly feel like this is enough for you to offer people a cure product, or even just a treatment product, for a serious problem.

                Kind of reminds me of that old infomercial for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World:" It was developed by a scientist too. Or should I say, a "scientist".

                Honestly Thomas, I'm not trying to pick on you. I understand it probably sounds that way, and maybe I'm taking this one a bit too personally, but I just can't stand this attitude that a little research is all it takes to put together a product to sell people, especially when that product involves health and "cures".

                The same goes for the MMO niche. I could do a little research, or even a lot of research, and put together a "great" product on how to cash in with CPA offers. Except I've never made a single dime from CPA, and I'd have no way of knowing what kind of results my program would actually achieve. That's if it COULD even achieve any.

                Then when I put that up for sale, some poor guy who's in a very serious financial situation might come and spend $97 he can't afford to spend on my product because I've promised him a surefire CPA system.

                I understand that people are on this forum to make money, but there have to be lines drawn as to what constitutes legitimate products and ethical product creation and what doesn't. Unfortunately, the internet is still the wild, wild west (wicky-wicky-wa). So really, all we can do is each voice our opinions on the subject. Clearly mine are different to yours.

                The very attitude being expressed in this thread is the entire reason why the FTC has been focusing so intently on internet marketing recently.
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                • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                  Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

                  I did go to the site. I also didn't see a single product in the skin section claiming to cure acne, or even specifically designed to treat acne. I also know that acne essentially has no cure except for some very serious medical treatments, which even then don't always work. For a lot of sufferers it can be managed, but for those who have it the worst, it often can't.

                  It also often leaves scars on people, which sometimes can be reduced or maybe even removed, but for a lot of them the scars also go deeper than the skin because those with terrible acne often have a very hard time growing up, suffer from low self-esteem, etc.

                  But then again, that company's products are even developed by scientists!!!

                  Once again, you've demonstrated my point. You yourself clearly know nothing about acne, you also don't have a clue about what's in these products or what medical effects the ingredients may or may not have. You just know that they're "developed by scientists".

                  Yet you clearly feel like this is enough for you to offer people a cure product, or even just a treatment product, for a serious problem.

                  Kind of reminds me of that old infomercial for "The Greatest Vitamin in the World:" It was developed by a scientist too. Or should I say, a "scientist".

                  Honestly Thomas, I'm not trying to pick on you. I understand it probably sounds that way, and maybe I'm taking this one a bit too personally, but I just can't stand this attitude that a little research is all it takes to put together a product to sell people, especially when that product involves health and "cures".

                  The same goes for the MMO niche. I could do a little research, or even a lot of research, and put together a "great" product on how to cash in with CPA offers. Except I've never made a single dime from CPA, and I'd have no way of knowing what kind of results my program would actually achieve. That's if it COULD even achieve any.

                  Then when I put that up for sale, some poor guy who's in a very serious financial situation might come and spend $97 he can't afford to spend on my product because I've promised him a surefire CPA system.

                  I understand that people are on this forum to make money, but there have to be lines drawn as to what constitutes legitimate products and ethical product creation and what doesn't. Unfortunately, the internet is still the wild, wild west (wicky-wicky-wa). So really, all we can do is each voice our opinions on the subject. Clearly mine are different to yours.

                  The very attitude being expressed in this thread is the entire reason why the FTC has been focusing so intently on internet marketing recently.
                  You must have missed the last part of my post talking about dermatologist and the FDA, because the use of the word "cure" is heavily regulated and never do I use such word.
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                  • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
                    Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                    You must have missed the last part of my post talking about dermatologist and the FDA, because the use of the word "cure" is heavily regulated and never do I use such word.
                    You must have missed the part where that's the word Kal used, and the word that was being used, including when you dropped your white label products into the discussion, until you decided to try and cover your tracks.

                    Not to mention that even as a "treatment" for Acne, the products you listed are bunk. They're general skin care products. Like I said, for the average teenager or person who gets the occasional zit or breakout, sure. Acne? No.

                    You listing the products on that site as a treatment for Acne would be like a dermatologist telling an acne sufferer to go to the drug store and grab some Oxy pads and a bottle of skin cream.

                    You have no knowledge of the subject, the affliction, the existing treatments, how it effects the sufferers, and you have no real knowledge of the actual products you're suggesting other than to say that they're designed by scientists and just like the ones in the drug store

                    Yet you're completely confident that "a phone call and a few hundred dollars" is all you need to be a qualified provider or an acne cure, treatment, solution, whatever you want to call it.

                    I say that's bullshit, and I think you know that it is.

                    Anyways, I've made my point and I personally don't think there's anything else I need to say, so I'll leave this one be. Feel free to attempt to further justify your claim though.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                      Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

                      Like I said, for the average teenager or person who gets the occasional zit or breakout, sure. Acne? No.
                      So you mean millions upon millions of consumers? That's a big enough market for me I think.
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                      • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
                        Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                        So you mean millions upon millions of consumers? That's a big enough market for me I think.
                        Once again you're trying to dance away from your earlier position. I'll take that as an admission that you know what you initially said was a load of BS.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
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                          Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

                          Once again you're trying to dance away from your earlier position. I'll take that as an admission that you know what you initially said was a load of BS.
                          I'm not backing away at all, if my product doesn't work go to the doctor. I am simple directing the market desire to a product. And if my product fails I guess I helped you get one step closer to something that will work.

                          I am a marketer that is what I do.

                          You're just getting hung up on the word "cure". Which "I" never said and retracted use of that word from any of my posts.

                          All this talk about skin care - I think I might just get in the business of selling it now. Seems like a passionate market!

                          thanks!
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                          • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
                            Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                            I'm not backing away at all, if my product doesn't work go to the doctor.
                            Once again, point proven. You don't give shit one about the actual effectiveness of your product, just that some money leaves the wallet of a person with a problem and enters yours.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
                              Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

                              Once again, point proven. You don't give shit one about the actual effectiveness of your product, just that some money leaves the wallet of a person with a problem and enters yours.
                              You my friend keep that mentality and I guarantee you that you won't
                              Make it too far in this industry. It's true this stuff ain't for everyone.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                                Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

                                You my friend keep that mentality and I guarantee you that you won't
                                Make it too far in this industry. It's true this stuff ain't for everyone.
                                Really Kal,

                                I thought you usually make pretty decent sense but ...

                                Since when did marketing products or producing products that actually work become a handicap in the business? There are plenty of people that will sell anything for a dollar but they are usually the ones that do not make it in the long haul.

                                Those that promote products or produce products that keep the best interest of their customers in mind do eventually rise to the top.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                                  Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                                  There are plenty of people that will sell anything for a dollar but they are usually the ones that do not make it in the long haul.
                                  neutrogena seems to be doing fine. Every product I referenced in this thread contains the exact same active ingredients.

                                  I also never said I don't want a good product and repeat customers but just like when neutrogenas product fails the clear up the acne of someone does that automatically make them a scam?
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                                    Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                                    neutrogena seems to be doing fine. Every product I referenced in this thread contains the exact same active ingredients.

                                    I also never said I don't want a good product and repeat customers but just like when neutrogenas product fails the clear up the acne of someone does that automatically make them a scam?
                                    I never said anything about the products .. could care less.

                                    Your attitude of I got their money .. screw em is what I was pointing to.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                                  Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                                  Since when did marketing products or producing products that actually work become a handicap in the business?
                                  Talking about products...

                                  Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

                                  I never said anything about the products .. could care less.
                                  See quote one.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                                    Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                                    Talking about products...



                                    See quote one.
                                    Misdirection, cute. He did mention products, but only to point out how little their value/ability to deliver mattered to your and Kal's way of thinking: "if it works great, if not 'meh'".
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                                      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                                      Misdirection, cute. He did mention products, but only to point out how little their value/ability to deliver mattered to your and Kal's way of thinking: "if it works great, if not 'meh'".
                                      Please reference where we said this?

                                      I did say this though.

                                      I also never said I don't want a good product and repeat customers but just like when neutrogenas product fails the clear up the acne of someone does that automatically make them a scam?
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                                      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                                      Misdirection, cute. He did mention products, but only to point out how little their value/ability to deliver mattered to your and Kal's way of thinking: "if it works great, if not 'meh'".
                                      He went back and edited out where he said if his product didn't work they could go to the doctor.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                                        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                                        He went back and edited out where he said if his product didn't work they could go to the doctor.
                                        You mean in post 28, where it still says it?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                                          Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                                          You mean in post 28, where it still says it?
                                          No .. the one you edited lol.

                                          Really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. You apparently do things one way and I do them another. You could be the one right... we will compare notes ten years from now .. if you are still around.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                                        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                                        He went back and edited out where he said if his product didn't work they could go to the doctor.
                                        This thread is full of buttmunches.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                                          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                                          Yeah, I watched him do it with the other guy who has already backed out :rolleyes:. Who knows, he's not going to learn ethics or morals from this thread but we might just teach him to think before he speaks .
                                          Again, are you talking about post 28 where it still says it?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                                          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                                          This thread is full of buttmunches.
                                          Hey look, I can change my posts at will too!

                                          What Troy said. You do you, we'll see who's still in business in ten years.

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                                  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                                    Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                                    Talking about products...



                                    See quote one.
                                    I didn't say anything about your products because I never looked at the post you apparently either mentioned them or linked to them in.

                                    I think you know what I was referring to. Dance all you want. It's free.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                                Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

                                You my friend keep that mentality and I guarantee you that you won't
                                Make it too far in this industry. It's true this stuff ain't for everyone.
                                He'll probably keep the FTC off his back too :rolleyes:.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                            Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

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                            I'm not backing away at all, if my product doesn't work go to the doctor. I am simple directing the market desire to a product. And if my product fails I guess I helped you get one step closer to something that will work.

                            I am a marketer that is what I do.

                            You're just getting hung up on the word "cure". Which "I" never said and retracted use of that word from any of my posts.

                            All this talk about skin care - I think I might just get in the business of selling it now. Seems like a passionate market!

                            thanks!
                            Are you sure? because this is the only one I said that in... I even put in bold for you.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                              Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                              Are you sure? because this is the only one I said that in... I even put in bold for you.
                              I am positive. The one you edited had it at the last of the post. Really I should thank you.

                              I make a living picking the people up unethical marketers mow down .. teach them the real ways to make money online .. get them back on the right track. If all of us were teaching the correct ways of doing things .. the competition would be a lot higher.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
                                Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                                I am positive. The one you edited had it at the last of the post. Really I should thank you.

                                I make a living picking the people up unethical marketers mow down .. teach them the real ways to make money online .. get them back on the right track. If all of us were teaching the correct ways of doing things .. the competition would be a lot higher.
                                Really? Do you teach them to have unhosted sites like

                                Contact Support on your twitter

                                or how to get your account suspended like your one here

                                Account Suspended
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                                • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                                  Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

                                  Really? Do you teach them to have unhosted sites like

                                  Contact Support on your twitter

                                  or how to get your account suspended like your one here

                                  Account Suspended
                                  Well you see the deal is I don't leave footprints for idiots to follow on here. Learned better than that a long time ago.

                                  Both those sites were sites I straight out sold and are not mine and I can't help it if they didn't pay their dues to host gator .. but I am glad you brought it to my attention because one of them is geo targeted and I would like to own it.

                                  Think you will need to do a lot more than that to hurt my rep on here .... do you think you are helping yours any?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
          Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

          Are you insinuating that someone can just "come up with" a cure acne product?
          Absfreakinolutey
          As a marketer you should be able to tap into most niches
          Help others and make decent dough at the same time.

          You find a problem, research a solution & sell it.

          You can cry and wine all you want or you can take it and make you some$$.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    Take a look at the WSO section, then ask yourself if you are ready to compete.

    Warrior Special Offers Forum

    this place is only a fraction of what your competition will be.
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  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    There are some people who will ask you to refund their money after getting products or service. You do not need to be worry about it. Just add a note above your sales page that you will only refund if your product does not meet the features that was describe on your sales letter. It worked very well with me and after that warning notice I did not get any refund request yet.

    Also if you have quality and good marketing plan surely your product will bring sells.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
    It absolutely is a good idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    If you think you have a product or service that you can sell, a target audience for it ready to buy and you can deliver then by all means go for it. We can't really tell you one way or the other. Best thing is to try. You've been researching for 6 months so you should know by now whether there is a demand for what you've got to offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    Get into what ever niche you want - experience or not. Just make sure there is money in the niche and people are buying.

    All a marketers job is, is to direct a portion of the money in their direction.

    Do people buy IM products, yes! and whats even better is way too many people don't put the information into action so they buy more... and more ... and more.

    Do this:

    Build a list of "NEW" marketers that have no experience in it. They are not the ones that refund. They are the ones that max out credit cards paying for you're new car payment.

    I know there are people that will think this kind of cut throat mentality is ethically questionable, but the truth is... these people are going to buy it anyways and I have a $900 car payment.

    PM me if you have questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

      Get into what ever niche you want - experience or not. Just make sure there is money in the niche and people are buying.

      All a marketers job is, is to direct a portion of the money in their direction.

      Do people buy IM products, yes! and whats even better is way too many people don't put the information into action so they buy more... and more ... and more.

      Do this:

      Build a list of "NEW" marketers that have no experience in it. They are not the ones that refund. They are the ones that max out credit cards paying for you're new car payment.

      I know there are people that will think this kind of cut throat mentality is ethically questionable, but the truth is... these people are going to buy it anyways and I have a $900 car payment.

      PM me if you have questions.
      Thought i would preserve this one before you edited it also
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    You're a newbie... and you want to promote make money products?

    Ok.

    How about this instead. You may have a better chance at success. Start your own insurance company. Then go speak to investors and see if you can scrape up a couple million dollars.

    Then use that money to compete directly with Gieco and Liberty Mutual.

    Don't like that idea?

    Ok ok, here's another idea. This 1 is definitely better than promoting make money products. Make your own energy drink. Call it "7 Hour Energy". Put it in a little red plastic bottle. Then go get a 50 million dollar loan from the bank.

    Spend the next 10 years of your life trying to brand this innovative new drink. Its so damn creative I can't see you failing with this one. I promise.

    If that doesn't work, there are hundreds of other super competitive niches you can just steal ideas from. Think in terms of "copy and paste". You'll make a fortune that way. Originality is so overrated. Seriously.

    :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      You're a newbie... and you want to promote make money products?

      Ok.

      How about this instead. You may have a better chance at success. Start your own insurance company. Then go speak to investors and see if you can scrape up a couple million dollars.

      Then use that money to compete directly with Gieco and Liberty Mutual.

      Don't like that idea?

      Ok ok, here's another idea. This 1 is definitely better than promoting make money products. Make your own energy drink. Call it "7 Hour Energy". Put it in a little red plastic bottle. Then go get a 50 million dollar loan from the bank.

      Spend the next 10 years of your life trying to brand this innovative new drink. Its so damn creative I can't see you failing with this one. I promise.

      If that doesn't work, there are hundreds of other super competitive niches you can just steal ideas from. Think in terms of "copy and paste". You'll make a fortune that way. Originality is so overrated. Seriously.

      :rolleyes:
      He doesn't have to be the "source" of the information he is promoting he just needs to direct people to the source and peel some cash off the top.

      Which I think if perfectly fine in my eyes.

      He could even take the, hey, I'm new and you are new let's grow together approach and build relationships.

      I guess I'm just an optimist...
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      • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
        Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

        He doesn't have to be the "source" of the information he is promoting he just needs to direct people to the source and peel some cash off the top.

        Which I think if perfectly fine in my eyes.

        He could even take the, hey, I'm new and you are new let's grow together approach and build relationships.

        I guess I'm just an optimist...
        Well you do have a point.
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  • Profile picture of the author JabMonkey
    You'll make less money if you don't offer refund guarantees and honor them; you'll make more money if you do.

    Go ahead and promote a money making product if you want. If that is what you want to do, do it, and learn from the experience of doing.

    Don't base what you do on fear of the unknown or how tough the competition is. You'll end up a weakling in this game.

    Embrace the challenges and tackle them dead on. Take that tiger by the tail and enjoy the ride!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Exactly Tory.

    I never said products that work are handicap and never will

    The whole point was you do not have to be an expert on a topic to start promoting a related product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      Exactly Tory.

      I never said products that work are handicap and never will

      The whole point was you do not have to be an expert on a topic to start promoting a related product.
      But you did say if he kept the attitude of worrying about his customer he would fail.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        But you did say if he kept the attitude of worrying about his customer he would fail.
        Not the case at all let me clarify any confusions,

        Tory as I am sure you know some people are just nay sayers
        They limit themselves when they don't have too but they do,
        That's what they are naysayers....Nah its not gonna work..um you can't
        Come up with an acne product if you never had acne...on and on and on.

        You see,I jump in the most obscure niches and make bank..
        Do I need to be suffering from Anxiety to promote anxiety products? No.
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  • Profile picture of the author GaurabBorah
    I think you better go with the other niche if you are starting out. As if you are not making money still then you won't be able to provide value to others (just what I think). Once you have a experience in a other niche you can always shift to MMO niche.

    About the refund rates. There are lots of WSO that have refunds rates less than 3%. So if you are providing value, you won't be getting high refunds.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    This just went to "Pathetic" status.
    Nah, just strategy. He's blowing his reputation on a forum where he's trying to pimp his sig for "$500 per day". The only way he can save any face is to make the thread go away, so he's crossing the line to try and facilitate the deleted thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

      Nah, just strategy. He's blowing his reputation on a forum where he's trying to pimp his sig for "$500 per day". The only way he can save any face is to make the thread go away, so he's crossing the line to try and facilitate the deleted thread.

      This is a much better place with signatures turned off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Rbtmarshall View Post

        This is a much better place with signatures turned off.
        Slow Claps

        The first time that a post drawing attention to a sig link was both appropriate and welcomed, at least from this Warrior.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    This one chesada.com the suspended one isn't yours even though your facebook says CEO of chesada ventures referencing that specific domain name?
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

      This one chesada.com the suspended one isn't yours even though your facebook says CEO of chesada ventures referencing that specific domain name?
      Due to a disclosure upon sale I can't discuss that one but .. as you can also see I haven't even been on the FB page in forever ... Guess it would be good to take that off as I was suppose to get my name off anything to do with the company.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

      This one chesada.com the suspended one isn't yours even though your facebook says CEO of chesada ventures referencing that specific domain name?
      I could say what facebook page as it is not there now .. but I don't play those games lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Too much emotion is put into MMO IMHO. A product is a product... gasoline, light bulbs, food, books, etc.

    Take yourself out of the equation as trying to be an expert, and just be a publisher or "Seller of stuff". See the difference?

    Yeah I get it, selling MMO to a lot of people is like selling a coffee table book about coffee tables. Still, to me it's just selling stuff in the end. After all, you don't need to know the whole process of oil refining to sell gasoline.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    ah ha....these comments are comedy...

    ...people...this poor newbie wants to promote IM make money products and is asking if it is a good idea...and everybody has their opinion as to why he shouldn't do it...

    ...I commend you oh little padawan learner....ok yes just watched star wars with my kids....

    ...but here's the reality...

    ...as a newbie...I don't care if you just learned how to type and turn on a computer....you can still sell make money products and make a killing...you don't have to know or be an expert in how to make money....to actually sell make money products....those that say you do...well they are full of crap....

    ....the reality is....is that if you just know how to drive traffic...to a page that converts and does the selling and telling for you....then it does not matter who the hell you are...

    ....I could teach my 8 yr old how to make money online...selling make money products....seriously....

    Dude ....if you want more info...PM me...I will help you rock n roll....
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    • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
      Originally Posted by tylerjaysen View Post

      ....I could teach my 8 yr old how to make money online...selling make money products....seriously....
      I could teach my 8 yr old how to make money online...selling make money products...that teach other 8 year olds how to make money online....selling make money products...that teach other 8 year olds how to make money online...selling make make money products...that teach other 8 year olds how to make money online...selling make money products...

      Sorry, for a second there I got caught in the endless loop that is zero value added sales of products that teach people how to sell products about selling products.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
        Originally Posted by rhealy29 View Post

        I could teach my 8 yr old how to make money online...selling make money products...that teach other 8 year olds how to make money online....selling make money products...that teach other 8 year olds how to make money online...selling make make money products...that teach other 8 year olds how to make money online...selling make money products...

        Sorry, for a second there I got caught in the endless loop that is zero value added sales of products that teach people how to sell products about selling products.
        Mmmkay, Marketing 101:

        Joe wants to make money on the internet. Joe buys a course on internet marketing,
        He then learns that in order to earn some money he needs:

        1- A profitable Market, something that he is passionate about he pickes IM oops.

        2- He needs to find a demand, ( he picked the traffic niche)

        3- Now Joe does not know squat about traffic. He then spends 3 weeks learning & implementing...Joe gets some results.

        4- Joe now puts a traffic course together using all the traffic guides his been studying.

        5- He then gives his traffic course away for free to build his list. Nice!

        6- Joe starts to send good content to list mixed with promos...

        7- Now Joe the smart newbie in the IM niche making a living!

        8- Joe puts up a Wso and says hey I make x amount a month and I am a total noob!
        Anybody interested??

        9- Many folks buy his stuff.

        10- Joe taught his customers his strategy...they too made a living.

        His customers are very pleased and thank him everyday for adding value to their lives.

        P.S. What might not add value to you're life might add for others. Not everyone is you.
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        • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
          Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

          Mmmkay, Marketing 101:

          Joe wants to make money on the internet. Joe buys a course on internet marketing,
          He then learns that in order to earn some money he needs:

          1- A profitable Market, something that he is passionate about he pickes IM oops.

          2- He needs to find a demand, ( he picked the traffic niche)

          3- Now Joe does not know squat about traffic. He then spends 3 weeks learning & implementing...Joe gets some results.

          4- Joe now puts a traffic course together using all the traffic guides his been studying.

          5- He then gives his traffic course away for free to build his list. Nice!

          6- Joe starts to send good content to list mixed with promos...

          7- Now Joe the smart newbie in the IM niche making a living!

          8- Joe puts up a Wso and says hey I make x amount a month and I am a total noob!
          Anybody interested??

          9- Many folks buy his stuff.

          10- Joe taught his customers his strategy...they too made a living.

          His customers are very pleased and thank him everyday for adding value to their lives.

          P.S. What might not add value to you're life might add for others. Not everyone is you.

          Seriously? Wow. WOW.

          THIS is what you think Marketing 101 is? This is exactly why the internet is a sea of garbage content and low quality products.

          Let me quickly translate this:

          Joe wants to learn to make money online, but he doesn't know squat about how. So he buys some products, spends a few weeks trying them out and then puts together a completely derivative product based off of the products he's been reading (which in themselves are probably also completely derivative). He is now an expert! Also, poof, magically he's making X per month giving away his completely derivative product to his list.

          Now he makes a WSO where he recounts his epic three week journey to X dollars per month in which he tells people his special secret, which is to buy some products, spend a few weeks learning them, and then put together their own completely derivative product, which they too can use to launch their earnings to the skies!

          Joe has taught his customers his strategy! A strategy that is already so widely understood, and so widespread that you can't turn around on the internet without walking face first into someone explaining it for free, yet again, magically, Joe's WSO is so valuable that Joe's customers are making a living too.

          I wonder if they'll make their own WSOs?

          You can't seriouslythink this is a sustainable process? You can't? Can you?
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          • Profile picture of the author rhealy29
            Number 8 in your post is especially telling, not only as to how you view marketing in general, but also how you view this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    The Chicago Manual of Style suggests the use of an ellipsis for any omitted word, phrase, line, or paragraph from within but not at the end of a quoted passage. There are two commonly used methods of using ellipses: one uses three dots for any omission, while the second one makes a distinction between omissions within a sentence (using three dots: . . .) and omissions between sentences (using a period and a space followed by three dots: . ...). An ellipsis at the end of a sentence with a sentence following should be preceded by a period (for a total of four dots).
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

      The Chicago Manual of Style suggests the use of an ellipsis for any omitted word, phrase, line, or paragraph from within but not at the end of a quoted passage. There are two commonly used methods of using ellipses: one uses three dots for any omission, while the second one makes a distinction between omissions within a sentence (using three dots: . . .) and omissions between sentences (using a period and a space followed by three dots: . ...). An ellipsis at the end of a sentence with a sentence following should be preceded by a period (for a total of four dots).
      Umm.. this an IM Forum not you're English 1A class
      Posts like this are the reason why discussions go way
      Off topic and I mean waaaay off.

      Just as a friendly reminder for the future,
      please stick to the topic so unintentional distraction is avoided.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    I am responding to the threads question with a yes. You can still pick the IM market
    As your market even if you are a newbie.
    It's a simple supply & demand process. " Marketing 101"
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  • Profile picture of the author gilbert90
    Hey Jacob, Everything is to be tried, If we all had fears such as refunds in the internet marketing or any other business, then we are likely not to do anything. Just try whatever product you find and think is more likely to yield. Don't sit fearing of refund or such reasons. You should even expect it and be ready for anything. And should it happen don't think that it will never turn well on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author coachlisatorres
    I think that you can go into any niche that you choose to. However, the bottom line is learning HOW to market. If you know how to market, you can pretty much sell anything you want online...provided that you promote in areas that your target market will be.

    I say....pick what you like, know your product, pick 1 free and 1 paid marketing strategy and go for it.

    Good luck!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by coachlisatorres View Post

      I think that you can go into any niche that you choose to. However, the bottom line is learning HOW to market. If you know how to market, you can pretty much sell anything you want online...provided that you promote in areas that your target market will be.

      I say....pick what you like, know your product, pick 1 free and 1 paid marketing strategy and go for it.

      Good luck!!
      Zactlyyyyy....

      But some believe that you must be an expert in you're niche first.
      They fail to understand that one could provide expert advice
      With-out necessary being an expert.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
        Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

        But some believe that you must be an expert in you're niche first.
        This is one of the biggest misconception you could have, along with only being in niches you are passionate about. IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    this thread will close soon, sounds like a bunch of 9 year olds got let on mommies puter again. Sheesh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    The only thing you should consider, is whether or not the things you promote bring value to your target niche.

    You can pick any niche on the planet, there will be crap products.

    Maybe, potentially "make money by pushing button" products are the worst of the worst, and I wouldn't promote junk to anyone.

    But there are also products in the IM market that are great, and would definitely offer value to the lives of your target demographic.

    The only question you need to ask is "will this provide value? Is this actually a good product?"
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