WSO Topic is full of fake proofs and fake reviews - is it ethical marketing???

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I saw many proof and reviews from WSO Topic and they are FAKE

Some Sellers pay somebody to post a fake reviews at their thread to boost and bump them

I also see a secret revealed that some sellers pay freelancer to rewrite WSO and re-design sale page to re-sell at WF to treat customers

Is that called ethical???
#ethical #fake #full #marketing #proofs #reviews #topic #wso
  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

    Is that called ethical???
    That's a question that you have to answer for yourself. Your ethics and morals will be different than everyone else's, as it should be based off of your own experiences and world view.

    If you're merely looking to hear my opinion, the practices you mentioned are unethical. Are they as widespread as you claim them to be? Couldn't tell you. I spend my time working instead of dissecting the WSO section.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    Look for reviews from people you trust. Also, try to read between the lines. Last, but not least, ask for a refund if the product does not deliver.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
    I do not say all of you but some sellers still doing that
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      I do not say all of you but some sellers still doing that
      MOST OF THE SELLERS are doing that.
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

        MOST OF THE SELLERS are doing that.
        Nothing like defaming a thousand Warriors. Personally, I think you either back this up with solid proof or you hit the road.

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        • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Nothing like defaming a thousand Warriors. Personally, I think you either back this up with solid proof or you hit the road.

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          Wow. I have been threatened.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

            I just need to have common sense. No one will give out "their secrets" to make 100 dollars a day because sooner or later it's going to be saturated. So what they will share are common knowledge which is available on the net; rehashed billions of times.

            I will give you my secret for making 100 dollars a day right now...

            I have built a mailing list, and I cultivate a strong relationship with my readers.

            Many times a week, I buy or get a review copy of a product, then I review the product and tell my readers about it. I include an affiliate link with all of my reviews.

            Those people who feel they may benefit from the product I reviewed will buy it, and I will earn a commission.

            Now, I have told you my "secret", but:

            * That does not mean that you can do what I do.

            * Some might call this "rehashed information".

            * It is "common knowledge" available in many places online.

            * And, it is very unlikely that this method will ever be "saturated", since it is the same formula marketers have used for over 100 years.


            Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

            Nothing like defaming a thousand Warriors. Personally, I think you either back this up with solid proof or you hit the road.

            Wow. I have been threatened.

            You have not been threatened. You have been advised to back your words with proof...
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            • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
              Now, that's hardly a secret, Bill. It's like common knowledge.

              Edit: Then again, it's of no wonder that most are selling that kind of secret for 10 bucks or so.

              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              I will give you my secret for making 100 dollars a day right now...

              I have built a mailing list, and I cultivate a strong relationship with my readers.

              Many times a week, I buy or get a review copy of a product, then I review the product and tell my readers about it. I include an affiliate link with all of my reviews.

              Those people who feel they may benefit from the product I reviewed will buy it, and I will earn a commission.

              Now, I have told you my "secret", but:

              * That does not mean that you can do what I do.

              * Some might call this "rehashed information".

              * It is "common knowledge" available in many places online.

              * And, it is very unlikely that this method will ever be "saturated", since it is the same formula marketers have used for over 100 years.
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                I will give you my secret for making 100 dollars a day right now...

                I have built a mailing list, and I cultivate a strong relationship with my readers.

                Many times a week, I buy or get a review copy of a product, then I review the product and tell my readers about it. I include an affiliate link with all of my reviews.

                Those people who feel they may benefit from the product I reviewed will buy it, and I will earn a commission.

                Now, I have told you my "secret", but:

                * That does not mean that you can do what I do.

                * Some might call this "rehashed information".

                * It is "common knowledge" available in many places online.

                * And, it is very unlikely that this method will ever be "saturated", since it is the same formula marketers have used for over 100 years.
                Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

                Now, that's hardly a secret, Bill. It's like common knowledge.

                LOL

                Yes, I did say it was common knowledge...

                But here is the thing... People who are not making 100 dollars a day online may have heard of this method, but they don't believe in it enough to try to duplicate it for themselves...

                Instead, people want to believe that what I have said cannot be the whole story and that I am holding something back in the storyline... Therefore, people convince themselves that this "common knowledge" is not the "whole truth" and that there must be some "secret information" held back...
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                • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
                  Look Bill, I know you're one of the good guys here. My statement wasn't directed onto you. But you and I know that there're quite a number of WSOs lately like "make 15k in a month easily" or something like that which don't want to publish their income screenshot in form of video.

                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  LOL

                  Yes, I did say it was common knowledge...

                  But here is the thing... People who are not making 100 dollars a day online may have heard of this method, but they don't believe in it enough to try to duplicate it for themselves...

                  Instead, people want to believe that what I have said cannot be the whole story and that I am holding something back in the storyline... Therefore, people convince themselves that this "common knowledge" is not the "whole truth" and that there must be some "secret information" held back...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Manie Amari
                    Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

                    Look Bill, I know you're one of the good guys here. My statement wasn't directed onto you. But you and I know that there're quite a number of WSOs lately like "make 15k in a month easily" or something like that which don't want to publish their income screenshot in form of video.
                    Even so it doesn't justify your outlandish, ludicrous and assumptive claim. What has me stoked is the fact you seem to believe that your statement has anything to do with common sense.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Christian,
          MOST OF THE SELLERS are doing that.
          That is a ridiculous claim.

          Some do that stuff, yes. And when we get any convincing evidence of it, we take action on it. Usually in the form of closing the offer and banning the member. But that's a tiny percentage of all the offers made in that section.

          The thing most people don't realize is that there is a very small handful of people who get banned, create new accounts with completely diffrent info, and do the same things all over. This is just one reason I always suggest not buying anything from new members with no track record here, and completely ignoring anything alleging to be proof of income, and any promise of specific results.

          If you do just those things, you'll avoid the vast majority of potentially problematic offers. That includes outright scams, rewritten junk, one-trick wonders, TOS violation systems, and almost anything else that's likely to result in headaches.

          People also need to realize there's a big difference between "I don't like this" and "This is a scam." It's astonishing to me how many adults don't get that simple concept.
          I just need to have common sense. No one will give out "their secrets" to make 100 dollars a day because sooner or later it's going to be saturated. So what they will share are common knowledge which is available on the net; rehashed billions of times.
          In some cases that's true. In most, it's not. But making wild allegations like you just did based on nothing but a flawed assumption and inadequate effort of thought is beyond irresponsible.

          This is a silly argument, repeated over and over like echoes bouncing off the walls of a huge empty room. And because people keep repeating it, it becomes accepted as common sense, when it's really just proof of a lack of thought.

          You talk about saturation as though the tiny group of people making up the WSO buyers is even a noticeable point on the Internet map. They could saturate things in the small section called "Internet marketing," and outright spamming systems could create widespread problems, but most of the legitimate stuff takes enough effort that no amount of our members could begin to exhaust the potential of any useful technique in the overall market.


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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Christian,
            Wow. I have been threatened.
            No, you were warned. And it would be wise of you to take Brian's advice under serious consideration.

            We are not under any obligation to allow random repeaters of foolish comments to abuse our members, or this forum, in the way you just have.
            He outsources sales pages, products, hired people to do fake testimonials, etc. He also uses a number of fake names accessing WF via private proxies.
            PM me your evidence, please.


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            • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              We are not under any obligation to allow random repeaters of foolish comments to abuse our members, or this forum, in the way you just have.PM me your evidence, please.


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              I just PM-ed you.
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        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

        MOST OF THE SELLERS are doing that.
        I was thinking like that, and certainly the only thing that can help me in this case is more careful to purchase any products or services there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
        Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

        I saw many proof and reviews from WSO Topic and they are FAKE
        I really hope you can back that up, how would you know its fake? Provide proof.

        Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

        Some Sellers pay somebody to post a fake reviews at their thread to boost and bump them
        This maybe true but a majority of the reviews come from those who have bought and used the product being sold to them. Genuine reviews.


        Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

        I also see a secret revealed that some sellers pay freelancer to rewrite WSO and re-design sale page to re-sell at WF to treat customers

        Is that called ethical???
        Paying someone to create a sales page for you as in getting graphics and making it look fancy, if thats what you mean then yes it is ethical.

        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

        MOST OF THE SELLERS are doing that.
        Like I said above provide solid proof, because that seemed like an attack on a majority of the sellers out there, including myself. I can tell you right now that I don't and will not do that.

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        • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
          Originally Posted by Isaiah Jackson View Post

          I really hope you can back that up, how would you know its fake? Provide proof.



          This maybe true but a majority of the reviews come from those who have bought and used the product being sold to them. Genuine reviews.




          Paying someone to create a sales page for you as in getting graphics and making it look fancy, if thats what you mean then yes it is ethical.



          Like I said above provide solid proof, because that seemed like an attack on a majority of the sellers out there, including myself. I can tell you right now that I don't and will not do that.

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          Please answer me this question

          Why they give away their secret to make 10k$ per month just for 5 bucks???

          These days, WSO aren't worth downloading

          For proof, just ask them provide their proof with a video or take a screenshot which we can see the address bar and their username (with a bar cover)
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          • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
            Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

            Please answer me this question

            Why they give away their secret to make 10k$ per month just for 5 bucks???

            These days, WSO aren't worth downloading

            For proof, just ask them provide their proof with a video or take a screenshot which we can see the address bar and their username (with a bar cover)
            And I always whois their domains. If they put in whoisguard or some protection, I am pretty sure that I won't buy from them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

            Please answer me this question

            Why they give away their secret to make 10k$ per month just for 5 bucks???

            These days, WSO aren't worth downloading

            For proof, just ask them provide their proof with a video or take a screenshot which we can see the address bar and their username (with a bar cover)
            Stop dodging the question. Provide hard proof: evidence, a study, something more than "I got burned by a dumbass so everyone is evil." Otherwise, this thread needs to go away. You can cry on your blog :rolleyes:.
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            • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
              Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

              Stop dodging the question. Provide hard proof: evidence, a study, something more than "I got burned by a dumbass so everyone is evil." Otherwise, this thread needs to go away. You can cry on your blog :rolleyes:.
              I bet you and the others sellers can't answer this questions and you asking me to stop asking?

              As a buyer I want to ask this questions and I think other buyer want to do it too

              So why don't you answer lol
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              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

                So why don't you answer lol
                Because I'm not selling anything you joker, and when I do I don't make idiotic claims. So back to you, provide proof of your claims or quiet down.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                  Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

                  In his mind, Joseph Robinson is a level 11 internet marketer as indicated by his caption above his profile picture, while we are just stuck at level 1.
                  Sadly, you're right. With the mindset that you and mmoreal have, you're perpetually going to be stuck on start. Worst part is that you don't even realize that you're the type that props the bad sellers up :rolleyes:.
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                • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
                  Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                  Because I'm not selling anything you joker, and when I do I don't make idiotic claims. So back to you, provide proof of your claims or quiet down.
                  Why not ask sellers to prove their proof by a video recording login their earning place or take a screenshot include address bar in the picture (cover them of course)

                  I can make any proof with an easy HTML edit lol

                  I think WF should rule sellers by doing that to prevent fake proof
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                    Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                    EDIT: And my statements were correct up until Joe beat me to the thread with the post immediately above this one.
                    Sorry, the opening was just too inviting.

                    Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

                    Why not ask sellers to prove their proof by a video recording login their earning place or take a screenshot include address bar in the picture (cover them of course)

                    I can make any proof with an easy HTML edit lol

                    I think WF should rule sellers by doing that to prevent fake proof
                    Video reviews can be faked too. S***, anything can be faked with enough effort. And why am I not asking? Because I'm working, not browsing income claims in the WSO section hoping for a miracle. You should try it.

                    Again, you still aren't providing proof. Nothing wrong with admitting that you don't have any dude.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
                      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                      Video reviews can be faked too. S***, anything can be faked with enough effort. And why am I not asking? Because I'm working, not browsing income claims in the WSO section hoping for a miracle. You should try it.

                      Again, you still aren't providing proof. Nothing wrong with admitting that you don't have any dude.
                      Video is harder to fake. It is time consuming.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

                        Video is harder to fake. It is time consuming.
                        Not really, probably just as difficult as photoshop is to a non-pro. For a scammer, it's perceived as worth the effort anyways, so do you really think that they care?
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                    • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
                      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                      Sorry, the opening was just too inviting.



                      Video reviews can be faked too. S***, anything can be faked with enough effort. And why am I not asking? Because I'm working, not browsing income claims in the WSO section hoping for a miracle. You should try it.

                      Again, you still aren't providing proof. Nothing wrong with admitting that you don't have any dude.
                      So I do not mention you okay?You are belong to 1%

                      I do not provide a proof is fake or not until they prove themself

                      I do not say video reviews dude.I say a video recording which they login to their earning places like CB, affliate network and click on their earning status (cover important information of course).This can't be fake (if their friend don't have one to lend)
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                      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                        Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

                        I do not say video reviews dude.I say a video recording which they login to their earning places like CB, affliate network and click on their earning status (cover important information of course).This can't be fake (if their friend don't have one to lend)
                        It can be faked, and it has been faked. Here's an example:

                        http://www.flipwebsites.com/buying-w...t-video-proof/
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                        • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
                          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                          It can be faked, and it has been faked.
                          Really?So no one I can trust now

                          But why do you know that clearly??
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                          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                            Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

                            Really?So no one I can trust now

                            But why do you know that clearly??
                            Because I'm smart enough to verify the statements that I make instead of just claiming them and going "I said it so it must be true, nyah." Again, the video showing how it can be done:

                            Fake AdSense Earnings - Why I Don't Trust Video Proof - Flip Websites

                            And I really hope you weren't trying an underhanded shot at me claiming that I've tried to fake income proof.
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                            • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
                              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                              First, you're alleging that all WSO sellers sell secrets, methods, etc. Not even close to the truth. Maybe that's the shiny little button that you go after, but there are many incredible products in the WSO section, including software, plugins, platforms, website, themes, etc.

                              Second, there are many legitimate info products being sold here that are worth their weight in gold. I've bought quite a few of them, but then, I'm not the kind of person who gets blinded by fake headlines, promises, income, etc. I don't need someone to hold my hand to make purchases.

                              If the WSO forum is as bleak as you and the other poster believes, simple solution. Stay OUT.
                              Yes. Plugins, software template are great.But I'm talking about ebooks

                              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                              I could go to YouTube right now and find someone's video where they log into ClickBank. Then, I can strike the audio from the original video and overlay my own audio.

                              The proof isn't actually FAKE, but it does not belong to my ClickBank account.

                              Would this really make you feel better about my offer?

                              LOL
                              Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                              Because I'm smart enough to verify the statements that I make instead of just claiming them and going "I said it so it must be true, nyah." Again, the video showing how it can be done:

                              Fake AdSense Earnings - Why I Don't Trust Video Proof - Flip Websites

                              And I really hope you weren't trying an underhanded shot at me claiming that I've tried to fake income proof.
                              Hmm,you're seem to be very expert at this action.I doubt it

                              I know some expert here will come to my thread and make offence at me but I still want to say
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                              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                                Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

                                Hmm,you're seem to be very expert at this action.
                                There you go again, trying to hint at something that isn't true. You can be as butt hurt as you want that your points were proven moot and that you were made to look foolish because you were unable to back them up. But don't go accusing people in an underhanded method to make yourself feel better.

                                Go back to the WSO forum and look for a miracle or go back to McDonald's. You're not contributing here.
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                                • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
                                  Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                                  There you go again, trying to hint at something that isn't true. You can be as butt hurt as you want that your points were proven moot and that you were made to look foolish because you were unable to back them up. But don't go accusing people in an underhanded method to make yourself feel better.

                                  Go back to the WSO forum and look for a miracle or go back to McDonald's. You're not contributing here.
                                  I have no idea talking to you dude.

                                  People will judge this themself
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                      • Profile picture of the author tpw
                        Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

                        So I do not mention you okay?You are belong to 1%

                        I do not provide a proof is fake or not until they prove themself

                        I do not say video reviews dude.I say a video recording which they login to their earning places like CB, affliate network and click on their earning status (cover important information of course).This can't be fake (if their friend don't have one to lend)

                        I could go to YouTube right now and find someone's video where they log into ClickBank. Then, I can strike the audio from the original video and overlay my own audio.

                        The proof isn't actually FAKE, but it does not belong to MY ClickBank account.

                        Would this really make you feel better about my offer?

                        LOL
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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

                    Why not ask sellers to prove their proof by a video recording login their earning place or take a screenshot include address bar in the picture (cover them of course)
                    I've been warning people for years about falling for just this advice.

                    Video "proof" can be faked almost as easily as HTML and plain screen shots.

                    Yes, including appearing to log in to a site that's visible in the location bar.


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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

            Please answer me this question

            Why they give away their secret to make 10k$ per month just for 5 bucks???

            These days, WSO aren't worth downloading

            For proof, just ask them provide their proof with a video or take a screenshot which we can see the address bar and their username (with a bar cover)

            Just because you don't understand the business model does not mean the business model is flawed!!

            For the record, I don't sell my secrets for $5... Instead, I sell my secrets for between $7.95 and $49...

            But here is the thing....

            Selling your secrets for $5 or giving affiliates 100% commissions are both a valid method for building a mailing list...

            The Lifetime Value of a Customer is often worth much more than the potential earnings from a single product...

            I know one fellow who sells $7 products with a 100% affiliate commission in order to build his list of serious buyers... In his back-end sales funnel, he offers products and services ranging in price from $47 to $9995.

            Selling information for $7 with a 100% affiliate commission is often much cheaper than buying traffic from Google Adwords and other lead generation sources, and this kind of traffic is often far better than traffic from other lead sources.
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        • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
          I don't know Isaiah, maybe you're the 1%. :p

          Originally Posted by Isaiah Jackson View Post

          Like I said above provide solid proof, because that seemed like an attack on a majority of the sellers out there, including myself. I can tell you right now that I don't and will not do that.
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      • Profile picture of the author garveyonweb
        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

        MOST OF THE SELLERS are doing that.
        I would of thought that such serious allegations would be more effectively, and appropriatly dealt with by the red triangle (as suggested above). If such activity is so obvious then that is the only responsible thing to do. Official complaint; done. Otherwise some of these sweeping allegations look disingenuous.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      I do not say all of you but some sellers still doing that
      That's not just IM, that's every industry in the entire world, and it's been happening since humans figured out how to lie. It's up to you to be smart enough to see past the BS. You're never going to stamp it out. There are two dumbasses waiting to replace the one that you get rid of, and they usually have a new trick up their sleeve that you aren't ready for.
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        Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

        That's not just IM, that's every industry in the entire world, and it's been happening since humans figured out how to lie. It's up to you to be smart enough to see past the BS. You're never going to stamp it out. There are two dumbasses waiting to replace the one that you get rid of, and they usually have a new trick up their sleeve that you aren't ready for.
        True, but that wasn't the question. The question was is it ethical. And the answer is, no it isn't. It is not really a grey area any which way you look at it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by xparte View Post

          True, but that wasn't the question. The question was is it ethical. And the answer is, no it isn't. It is not really a grey area any which way you look at it.
          If you look at the very first reply of the thread, I answered that question as well. It's unethical:

          If you're merely looking to hear my opinion, the practices you mentioned are unethical. Are they as widespread as you claim them to be? Couldn't tell you. I spend my time working instead of dissecting the WSO section.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

    I saw many proof and reviews from WSO Topic and they are FAKE

    Some Sellers pay somebody to post a fake reviews at their thread to boost and bump them

    I have only seen a few instances of fake reviews in the WSO section. But when you have PROOF of the fake, you should report the post using the red triangle button and let the mods sort things out.

    People who use fake screenshots get their WSO's nuked and some get banned when the mods realize that fake screenshots were used in a WSO. Again, when you see evidence of this, you should hit the red triangle and report your findings to the mods.

    The moderators are not too keen on those who fake evidence in a sales thread.


    Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

    I also see a secret revealed that some sellers pay freelancer to rewrite WSO and re-design sale page to re-sell at WF to treat customers

    What exactly are you suggesting here??

    I am not exactly sure what you are describing...

    Please clarify your point...


    Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

    MOST OF THE SELLERS are doing that.

    That is a wild claim!!

    Do you have any proof of your assertions?
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

        There's a certain guy with the initial {snip} who made 2 millions in 4 years from WSOs (he outsources his sales pages to India). Yes, they are all fake.

        Outsourcing a sales page does not make the product or offer fake!!

        That is what freelance copy writers are for -- they write sales pages, and professional copy writers generally write better sales copy than the average marketer.

        I have written a few sales pages for WSO sellers myself, so I don't understand the problem... I reviewed the product, then I wrote the sales copy based on what was within the product.



        p.s. The only way that you can know that those sales pages are outsourced to other people is if they are outsourced through you or to you...

        And if that is the case, you are outing YOUR CUSTOMERS and trying to paint them unethical -- an activity that I personally consider to be unethical...
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        • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Outsourcing a sales page does not make the product or offer fake!!

          That is what freelance copy writers are for -- they write sales pages, and professional copy writers generally write better sales copy than the average marketer.

          I have written a few sales pages for WSO sellers myself, so I don't understand the problem... I reviewed the product, then I wrote the sales copy based on what was within the product.



          p.s. The only way that you can know that those sales pages are outsourced to other people is if they are outsourced through you or to you...

          And if that is the case, you are outing YOUR CUSTOMERS and trying to paint them unethical -- an activity that I personally consider to be unethical...
          They outsource (I mean fake proof) too
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

            They outsource (I mean fake proof) too

            If people are "faking proof" AND you can prove it, report the sales page to the moderators using the red triangle

            The moderators deal very harshly with sellers who fake proof of their offers!
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        • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
          He outsources sales pages, products, hired people to do fake testimonials, etc. He also uses a number of fake names accessing WF via private proxies.

          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Outsourcing a sales page does not make the product or offer fake!!

          That is what freelance copy writers are for -- they write sales pages, and professional copy writers generally write better sales copy than the average marketer.

          I have written a few sales pages for WSO sellers myself, so I don't understand the problem... I reviewed the product, then I wrote the sales copy based on what was within the product.



          p.s. The only way that you can know that those sales pages are outsourced to other people is if they are outsourced through you or to you...

          And if that is the case, you are outing YOUR CUSTOMERS and trying to paint them unethical -- an activity that I personally consider to be unethical...
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post


      That is a wild claim!!

      Do you have any proof of your assertions?
      I just need to have common sense. No one will give out "their secrets" to make 100 dollars a day because sooner or later it's going to be saturated. So what they will share are common knowledge which is available on the net; rehashed billions of times.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

        I just need to have common sense. No one will give out "their secrets" to make 100 dollars a day because sooner or later it's going to be saturated. So what they will share are common knowledge which is available on the net; rehashed billions of times.
        Markets and niches get saturated. Methods do not. Perhaps if you're only seeing crap in the section you need to take a step back and think about what kind of mindset you have that attracts you to crap.
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        • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
          Perhaps you need to fix your mindset first because you don't see Ferrari's selling for 10 dollars. I may stretch the analogy too far but you get the idea.

          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

          Markets and niches get saturated. Methods do not. Perhaps if you're only seeing crap in the section you need to take a step back and think about what kind of mindset you have that attracts you to crap.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

            Perhaps you need to fix your mindset first because you don't see Ferrari's selling for 10 dollars. I may stretch the analogy too far but you get the idea.
            What mindset? I'm confused, are you insinuating that I'm browsing the WSO forum searching for a miracle at $10? If so, you're wrong. I'm a few steps ahead of you on the ladder, and have moved past b****ing about WSO's to flat out ignoring them. Foolish assumption on your part, but I should know better when dealing with someone when they're on their soapbox.
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            • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
              The arrogance. I am done talking with you.

              Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

              What mindset? I'm confused, are you insinuating that I'm browsing the WSO forum searching for a miracle at $10? If so, you're wrong. I'm a few steps ahead of you on the ladder, and have moved past b****ing about WSO's to flat out ignoring them. Foolish assumption on your part, but I should know better when dealing with someone when they're on their soapbox.
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        • Profile picture of the author Manie Amari
          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

          Markets and niches get saturated. Methods do not. Perhaps if you're only seeing crap in the section you need to take a step back and think about what kind of mindset you have that attracts you to crap.
          He said it's due to his common sense Joseph so there's no point in you or I trying to convey common knowledge.

          Christian Chan Making cliams like that with no data or proof to back it up is self/character assasination if you ask me.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
    My point in here is while there are many fake reviews/fake proof, unethical marketing strategy still exist and I may call lie buyers, I release my strategy to share newbie how to make some bucks and someone jump to my thread and make offence at me, call me unethical.Therefore my thread was closed and I have a bad reputation since then

    Very nice
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  • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
    All WSO sellers can't answer this question: "Why they give away their secret to make 10k$ per month just for 5 bucks"

    I might think their 10k$ per month is from WSO buyers
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    • Profile picture of the author bsbear
      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      All WSO sellers can't answer this question: "Why they give away their secret to make 10k$ per month just for 5 bucks"

      I might think their 10k$ per month is from WSO buyers
      Haha exactly.

      I made $4 million last week, here's how, (for a price of $1.99 on a dime sale).
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
        Originally Posted by bsbear View Post

        Haha exactly.

        I made $4 million last week, here's how, (for a price of $1.99 on a dime sale).
        I made 100 billions yesterday, let me sell you my secret for just 10 dollars. Hurry up, the price is going to increase for every 3 buyers.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      All WSO sellers can't answer this question: "Why they give away their secret to make 10k$ per month just for 5 bucks"

      I might think their 10k$ per month is from WSO buyers
      First, you're alleging that all WSO sellers sell secrets, methods, etc. Not even close to the truth. Maybe that's the shiny little button that you go after, but there are many incredible products in the WSO section, including software, plugins, platforms, website, themes, etc.

      Second, there are many legitimate info products being sold here that are worth their weight in gold. I've bought quite a few of them, but then, I'm not the kind of person who gets blinded by fake headlines, promises, income, etc. I don't need someone to hold my hand to make purchases.

      If the WSO forum is as bleak as you and the other poster believes, simple solution. Stay OUT.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
    Let me clarify when I said that most of the WSO sellers are fake.

    They are the ones with sales letters "MAKE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER DAY".

    The ones selling graphics, plugins, and services are generally OKAY.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

      Let me clarify when I said that most of the WSO sellers are fake.

      They are the ones with sales letters "MAKE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER DAY".

      The ones selling graphics, plugins, and services are generally OKAY.
      Now that's a "fake" statement. (In red) And you have never seen that in the WSO forum.

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Okay. So, we have one guy claiming things are faked because he apparently got caught at something he shouldn't have been doing and got his offer closed. Hmmm. And people use this as a reason to claim there's not enough oversight of the WSO section?

        What am I missing here?

        Another person says MOST of the sellers do this stuff. His "evidence" is a single post on another forum that doesn't even support his claims (assuming the post is legit in the first place), and which only talks about a single person cloning existing offers. Not exactly kosher, but hardly what he's alleging, even if true.

        Typical of what you find when you dig into these sorts of threads... Complete garbage.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Note: Christian was not banned for his comments in this thread. He was banned for 2 months for direct public accusations of misbehavior that are not true. Specifically, alleging that someone who disagreed with him in a WSO thread was actually a separate account owned by the WSO seller, which happens not to be true in this case.

          Cynicism is one thing. Unfounded and inaccurate allegation of wrongdoing against a specific individual is another.

          So much for the credibility of Christian's arguments.


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          Edit: Added the word 'public.' Privately suggesting the mods look at something is a different story, and encouraged if there is reason for suspicion.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Note: Christian was not banned for his comments in this thread. He was banned for 2 months for direct accusations of misbehavior that are not true. Specifically, alleging that someone who disagreed with him in a WSO thread was actually a separate account owned by the WSO seller, which happens not to be true in this case.

            Cynicism is one thing. Unfounded and inaccurate allegation of wrongdoing against a specific individual is another.

            So much for the credibility of Christian's arguments.


            Paul

            Yep. Publicly outing the innocent is never a good idea... Nor fair to those who were wrongly "outed"...
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        Now that's a "fake" statement. (In red) And you have never seen that in the WSO forum.

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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post


          OMG Joe!!!

          That is clearly a new way to rebrand a closed WSO thread...
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            OMG Joe!!!

            That is clearly a new way to rebrand a closed WSO thread...
            I paid $40 and I'm getting my money's worth lol!
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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

          Joseph Joseph Joseph,

          There's a BIG difference between billions a year and billions a day.

          George Wright, P.S. if you need a review for that WSO PM me. And no I don't need a review copy because I don't have time to read it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

            Joseph Joseph Joseph,

            There's a BIG difference between billions a year and billions a day.

            George Wright, P.S. if you need a review for that WSO PM me. And no I don't need a review copy because I don't have time to read it.
            Oops, should have had it critiqued in the copywriting section first .

            ETA: Hey, the OP took the ball and went home .
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            • Profile picture of the author George Wright
              Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post


              ETA: Hey, the OP took the ball and went home .
              Uh yea. Because you hijacked his thread.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

    In his mind, Joseph Robinson is a level 11 internet marketer as indicated by his caption above his profile picture, while we are just stuck at level 1.

    Technically, Joe only defined his own level.

    He has not even ventured to suggest your level... You are taking that leap on your own.



    EDIT: And my statements were correct up until Joe beat me to the thread with the post immediately above this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
      You didn't get the sarcasm on my post.

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Technically, Joe only defined his own level.

      He has not even ventured to suggest your level... You are taking that leap on your own.


      EDIT: And my statements were correct up until Joe beat me to the thread with the post immediately above this one.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

        Why not ask sellers to prove their proof by a video recording login their earning place or take a screenshot include address bar in the picture (cover them of course)

        I can make any proof with an easy HTML edit lol

        I think WF should rule sellers by doing that to prevent fake proof

        All proof via screenshots and video CAN BE FAKED...

        So requiring proof will not serve the end that you think it will...

        The moderators deal strongly with fake proof when it is shown to them WITH PROOF...

        But forcing sellers to add proof of earnings to their sales pages could invite FTC trouble for the sellers...


        Originally Posted by Christian Chan View Post

        You didn't get the sarcasm on my post.

        Your right... I missed the sarcasm...
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
    I know everyone eventually will stick to their own argument. So, I am out of this thread.
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    Well everything I was gonna say has already been posted.. moving on
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  • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
    I share my experience (with some twist) for newb here who want to make some bucks online based on some WSO here and then someone jump to my thread and claim me that I fake testimonials, unethical marketing etc.... and my thread was closed and I have bad reputation

    It's unfair
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      I share my experience (with some twist) for newb here who want to make some bucks online based on some WSO here and then someone jump to my thread and claim me that I fake testimonials, unethical marketing etc.... and my thread was closed and I have bad reputation

      It's unfair
      Ah, so the truth comes out. You were caught faking, and now everyone else must be wrong because it couldn't possibly be your own fault.

      Well, that should wrap this up :rolleyes:. /thread
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      • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
        Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

        Ah, so the truth comes out. You were caught faking, and now everyone else must be wrong because it couldn't possibly be your own fault.

        Well, that should wrap this up :rolleyes:. /thread
        If I were consider as faking then so do WSO sellers.Because I follow them as they mention in their WSO dude

        You just found your biggest candy which it happened too long ago.
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        • Profile picture of the author Manie Amari
          Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

          If I were consider as faking then so do WSO sellers.Because I follow them as they mention in their WSO dude

          You just found your biggest candy which it happened too long ago.
          Would be a good time for you to quite down rather than continue posting.

          Just sayin....
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    • Profile picture of the author Manie Amari
      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      I share my experience (with some twist) for newb here who want to make some bucks online based on some WSO here and then someone jump to my thread and claim me that I fake testimonials, unethical marketing etc.... and my thread was closed and I have bad reputation

      It's unfair
      Do we need to say anymore after your disclosure of admission?


      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      I have no idea talking to you dude.

      People will judge this themself
      I think they already have:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    My mistake. You weren't bitching about a WSO you launched, but this thread in the main section:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...bank-26-a.html

    That was closed because idiots were congratulating you for being an idiot.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmoreal
    I know you're all be here for a long time and you're expert, guru........ and continue making money from newbie

    I will still here to see more and more WSO come out and newbie will see themself

    Soon I will release my WSO about how to make money from WSO

    Enough talking

    Close thread please
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by mmoreal View Post

      I know you're all be here for a long time and you're expert, guru........ and continue making money from newbie

      I will still here to see more and more WSO come out and newbie will see themself

      Soon I will release my WSO about how to make money from WSO

      Enough talking

      Close thread please

      You don't get to shut down the thread when you are tired of playing.

      So you made $26 on your ClickBank account, and now you feel confident enough to teach us how to make money online?

      LOL

      $26 won't even come close to paying my monthly hosting costs. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Soon I will release my WSO about how to make money from WSO
        Why am I not surprised?

        Bill is right - you don't get to decide when people stop discussions in a thread you start.

        You are missing one simple thing about WSOs. You don't have to buy them. When I do buy one (which is rare) - it's due to the reputation of the seller - and a product I want...not to testimonials from people I've never heard of. I don't require "proof". A seller with a good rep long term doesn't get that by cheating people or lying.

        If you must depend on "proof" and advice from other people (people you don't know) on what to buy...you probably shouldn't be buying.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        You don't get to shut down the thread when you are tired of playing.

        So you made $26 on your ClickBank account, and now you feel confident enough to teach us how to make money online?

        LOL

        $26 won't even come close to paying my monthly hosting costs. :rolleyes:
        I'm pretty sure there is a market for:

        "How to make $26 in you're spare time messing with clickbank"

        How many $26 do you want to make....well that's all up to you.



        P.S.Anything could be made to sound attractive even if doesn't pay your hosting

        (But we are not mentioning that in our new WSO of the day)..lol
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