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Al amin

12 years ago

Ah you can read copyblogger.com to learn writing techniques.

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gaborkiss

12 years ago

Thanks for the answers. The problem is, that even if I would go with my native language, its hard as many English words are hard to translate, and as we are a small country in many niches I just cannot find good enough content, and I prefer to do it in English.

I was checkin writing techniques, but still there is the time frame problem as I make grammatical and other mistakes quite often I think...

So I would be glad to have some tool on the computer that helps me.

Gabor

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OutsourceFactor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by gaborkiss

Thanks for the answers. The problem is, that even if I would go with my native language, its hard as many English words are hard to translate, and as we are a small country in many niches I just cannot find good enough content, and I prefer to do it in English.

I was checkin writing techniques, but still there is the time frame problem as I make grammatical and other mistakes quite often I think...

So I would be glad to have some tool on the computer that helps me.

Gabor

The way I see it, you could either take the hard way which is learning grammar and writing techniques OR go the easy way which is outsourcing. I read that you don't really want to outsource so the next best thing is to just learn.

It has long term benefits, don't you think? And even if you outsource your writing, you'll eventually realize that you could probably do a better job at it. Learning how to write properly will take effort and it will take time for you to get better but isn't it worth it in the long run?

Just my two cents..

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xparte

12 years ago

Originally Posted by OutsourceFactor

The way I see it, you could either take the hard way which is learning grammar and writing techniques OR go the easy way which is outsourcing. I read that you don't really want to outsource so the next best thing is to just learn.

It has long term benefits, don't you think? And even if you outsource your writing, you'll eventually realize that you could probably do a better job at it. Learning how to write properly will take effort and it will take time for you to get better but isn't it worth it in the long run?

Just my two cents..

What native speakers don't seem to understand (no disrespect) is that it doesn't matter how well you learn grammar or what you call "writing techniques". There will always be some little things to give us away. Something that you guys take for granted and don't even need to learn. And please do not even get me started on run on sentences.

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cashp0wer 12 years ago

I would definitely outsource this work to someone that is English speaking. 2.5 hours is way too long to spend writing
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ilee

12 years ago

If you're not fluent in English, I think it's best just to outsource it. Either that or write whatever you can and pay someone (native english) to re write it in perfect grammar for cheap

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Dex88

12 years ago

Well, software that translate from one language to another are definitely not perfect. However, if that is really what you are looking for you might want to try some of them first without actually purchasing them if that's possible. That way, you'll be able to find the software that you are most comfortable with despite of the fact that it isn't perfect.

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GobBluthJD

12 years ago

Outsource the article writing to native English speakers. Easy and fast method. Software always does a less-than-great job.

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MissTerraK 12 years ago

I'm not sure about you, but personally, I would never want my success at article writing to be in the "hands" of software or even in the hands of cheap writers.

The best way to compete in an English speaking market would be to hire a native English speaking writer.

I understand the desire for shortcuts to make things easier and even being on a low budget, but you should concentrate on the return of your investment in the long run. Do you want to pay next to nothing with a return of nothing or pay more with a tenfold or a hundred fold return? Yes, that really is possible.

Unfortunately, taking shortcuts sometimes leads to a long hard road.

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avi m

12 years ago

Hi,

You can use this free tool called eType.

Completes your words, while typing

Translates to your native language

Prevents spelling mistakes

eType we complete you

Great and free tool !!

Hope this helps,

Avi

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by gaborkiss

Is there anything I could use?

There are professional services you can use, clearly (writing and/or translating and/or proofreading), but I appreciate this isn't really what you meant. I think using software would almost certainly not be the optimal solution for you.

Originally Posted by gaborkiss

700 words took me 2.5 hours, this is not the way.

For me, it is.

I'm a full-time, professional article marketer, and 700 words has always taken me about that length of time (I more typically write 1,100 words in 3.5 hours, but that's about the same?). I have no wish to speed that up, because I know that doing so would have a huge negative impact on my income.

I'm in 8/9 different niches and I produce 24/25 articles per month, which is plenty for all my content needs. Yes, it's time-consuming, but that's how I get my articles published so easily in front of all the already-targeted traffic I want to attract to my sites.

So ... there are plenty of words of wisdom above, and my attempt at adding something to them is just to remind you that article marketing isn't about "how many articles you have": it's about "who reads them". For me, "who reads them" effectively correlates very closely with the amount of time I've used in creating them.

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TheArticlePros 12 years ago

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- Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JaRyCu
  
  What are you doing in that extra 2 hours that makes your work better and more effective than mine?
  
  I don't know ...
  
  But I want everything that "goes out" to have that "wow" factor, and for publishers (of ezines/newsletter and websites) instinctively to say to themselves something like "Oh wow - yes: this is obviously the one I want to share with my readers/visitors/subscribers (and it's 1,200+ words, too, so it fills a big content-gap for me)". Which I try to do with a mixture of provocation and comic touches, really? I like them to look as if they've just "been written quickly" but the truth is that a lot of work goes into them, to make them look that way.
  
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jvest

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I'm a full-time, professional article marketer, and 700 words has always taken me about that length of time (I more typically write 1,100 words in 3.5 hours, but that's about the same?). I have no wish to speed that up, because I know that doing so would have a huge negative impact on my income.

Oh, man. It makes me feel so much better to hear that. That's about how long it takes me, too. I don't know how someone can write an article in under an hour and have it be decent, let alone good enough to bring in money. It should be about quality over quantity.

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contentwriting360

Banned 12 years ago

Gabor,

It is, and will always be, best to learn the art of English writing on your own. Based on how you describe your ability to write, it may take a while before you master English writing. Writing on your own is the only way for you to put apply your personality, isn't it?

If the situation calls for it, you may outsource your content writing needs. You must do your 'homework' if and when you plan to outsource it.

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digitalscribble

12 years ago

Why do you feel like you have to write these articles in English? What's the temperature of the market in your native language? It might be less competition in your native language. Start there first, while you get better with the language.

You may want to consider hosting 2 blogs... an English version and a version in your native language. As you pick up steam on the blog in your native language, you can slowly build your English version blog.

There is enough trash online. Don't feed the beast. You're only going to hurt yourself by producing subpar content. Build your blog up in your native language. Once you start earning money from that, then you may be able to hire someone to help you improve your English writing or you will have given yourself time to perfect your English writing skills.

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gaborkiss

12 years ago

Originally Posted by digitalscribble

Why do you feel like you have to write these articles in English? What's the temperature of the market in your native language? It might be less competition in your native language. Start there first, while you get better with the language.

Actually it's not worth the time and effort to write in Hungarian, as our market is so small. We have about 1.5 million internet users, no one makes serious money online here with blogging or affiliate marketing... If course there are local "ebays" and "amazons" here for a long time made some people millions, but in my past 4 weeks in IM what I realized fast was that I must do it in English, even if it's going to be a hard process

Basically I when I talk about a software solution, I know that I have to re-write the content anyway, so I do not want a "do-it-for-me" solution, just what I have seen and read from the posts, some softwares are making the research instead of me going from forum-to-forum or from articles-from-articles and the best resources will show up. Every most make their own research anyway, even experienced writers from a new niche, so I don't see a point why it hurts the field if I help myself with this.

I'm considering to buy SMART ARTICLE GENERATOR 2012 so far, as Instant Article Wizard is expensive with the annual fees, I see that many high income earners are using these softwares in the SMART WAY without stealing contents. As far as I understand when you make backlinks in article directories you have to re-write your ORIGINAL ARTICLE anyway.

I just build my first niche website which will be about selling products from Amazon in a specified niche, and I want to develop it well.

So if there is anyone who has experience with these softwares pro and con, mostly with SAG, I would be glad to hear that.

Another question is, how can you check, if your content is unique enough for Google? I've read about Plagium (plagium.com???) and copyscape or what (??), how do you check your content if it's unique enough?

Thank you for all your help,
Gabor

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TheArticlePros

12 years ago

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xparte

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JaRyCu

I'm assuming you're a non-native English speaker here Xparte? What you're saying is so true. I've seen tons of non-native English speakers who can write very well, yet there's always something that's just "off." A lot of foreigners have trouble with contractions ("are not" instead of "aren't" or "ain't" for example).

They also don't get a lot of the substitutions we use in our language. For example, when I'm talking about tricking someone, I might mention a Brer Rabbit or Tar Baby reference from the old Uncle Remus stories. (I'm a Southerner, leave me alone.) For most Americans in my part of the country, the reference would fill in a lot of the story, but a foreigner would have no clue what I'm talking about.

It doesn't make the work that's produced bad at all...it's just a tip-off for us.

-- j

Exactly! While I don't have any problems with contractions like in your example and I never mix up usual suspects like "it's" and "its" (at least when I'm sober

), I have my own demons. What really kills me is the use of articles, which you guys don't even need to learn; it comes naturally. Another problem is prepositions that can be very idiomatic, for example in phrasal verbs, so trying to learn them as in "learning grammar" is kind of moot.

Of course, living in the States and hearing this stuff day in and day out helps a lot, so my heart goes out to folks all over the world who don't have the advantage of living in an English-speaking country. This is especially true because they are right to target English speaking world--this is where the money is.

Originally Posted by JaRyCu

Sorry for the double-post - you posted while I was typing the last one.

IAW is worth it if it works on your IP and computer. I have a friend who lives by it - it'll put together a 1000 word article for him in minutes, and then he rewrites it into his own words to make sure that the content is unique. As long as you build the rest of your site correctly, it'll pay for itself every single year.

Copyscape.com. That's what we all use. It costs US$0.05 per search, and you have to load at least US$10.00 at a time into it. (It might be $20 the first time, I can't remember.) It will let you know if there's any content out there that matches your and then show you the content so you can make the judgement if you want to keep it or not.

-- j

JRC, thanks for those tips. Extremely useful. Two questions: isn't copyscape pre-loaded in IAW, and if yes, do you pay separately for it? And second, why wouldn't it work on my IP or computer?

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Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by gaborkiss

Actually it's not worth the time and effort to write in Hungarian, as our market is so small.

It is ... but on the other hand, you're a nation of gifted linguists (and with a language like yours, I suppose you have to be!).

Originally Posted by gaborkiss

in my past 4 weeks in IM what I realized fast was that I must do it in English, even if it's going to be a hard process

The advantage of having that attitude, of course, is that it's a learning process, and you'll acquire increasing skill at it, and improve as you go along. In the long run, you'll be less dependent on help from others.

Originally Posted by gaborkiss

.As far as I understand when you make backlinks in article directories you have to re-write your ORIGINAL ARTICLE anyway.

No, you don't at all. And you shouldn't. This is quite wrong.

This post will help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872 <--- check the links in the post, too!

Be aware of two things ...

1. There's no point in submitting to article directories "for their own backlinks": http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

2. "Duplicate content" and "syndicated content" are two totally different things: Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog

I can't help you with your software questions, other than by pointing out that I'm pretty sure they matter to you partly because of other things you haven't quite understood correctly. My own belief is that if you produce articles with software, and submit them to article directories, they won't actually help your business at all. Almost nobody will re-publish them from directories to relevant sites with your resource-box, and they won't help you by just sitting not-republished inside an article directory and possibly even attracting traffic that would otherwise have gone to your site instead of to an article directory (i.e. they might even harm you!). Sorry, but I suspect that what you may be planning to do is perhaps misguided and mistaken. I know it's not what you want to hear, and I apologize for that.
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fin

12 years ago

Originally Posted by gaborkiss

Dear Members,

I am not a native English speaker, so for me it is not easy to write content, actually I found this is a hard work today, when I wrote my very first article to my first niche site. 700 words took me 2.5 hours, this is not the way. I don't want to outsource it though, but would be glad to find a software that helps me, without monthly our yearly fees. I found some, but the reviews are very variable about them...

I know that there is no software which will do the whole process without human help, but today I was going back and forth between ezine articles, google top searches and many other topics, then back to my Word Document, I would be glad to have a software which helps me to find the good contact, make a "basic" article, which I can rewrite.

Is there anything I could use?

Thank you
Gabor

Dude,

I usually spend about 5 hours on an article and that's just writing it.

I have a notebook where I take notes and keep adding to them when I have new stuff to add.

I then write it out one day which could take a few hours. I then leave it for a few days and edit it. I finally edit it one last time after another day or two and give it one last proofread.

I'd recommend taking more time on one article and finding people that want to read it, rather than just banging them up.

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OmarNegron

12 years ago

Have you ever thought about hiring someone to do your content? Even if you dont have many funds you could get the process started.

-Omar

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WeavingThoughts

12 years ago

Edit and learn with grammarly.com

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Tania Edwards

12 years ago

article writing is tough work, I hate writing it, I wish there was easy way of doing it.

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Larry Leggett

12 years ago

I cannot relay on any kind of software to check grammar of an article. How much effective a software can be in terms of grammar checking? Software are programmed and cannot get out of the program to take any kind of decisions. As a rough checking, these kind of software may be helpful.

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jvest

12 years ago

I would recommend writing the article yourself, and then having a native English speaker go over it for you, and manually spin it for you. Even when you use software, like Best Article Spinner, you have to have someone check the article afterwords. Might as well just skip the software part, and save some time.

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IMSince2003

12 years ago

Hi Gabor! I see you took your question to the forum. Good choice, a lot of smart people here. They do have the same consensus as my opinions, though

One option I did forget to mention is getting an editor from oDesk. We can talk about that in our next session. In the meantime, keep plugging away at it. After all, your writing here in this thread is pretty good IMO.

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gaborkiss 12 years ago

Hi Bill,

Thanks, then we go through that. Actually I try to write as good as possible, but I found out that I have to go anyway to do the research, and I saw that the softwares can help me to do it, so they save a lots of time. It's like manual keyword research vs Long Tail Pro which I bought last week and love it, so easy and fast, even better then Market Samurai.

As I've told to everyone I know it takes time to be a good writer, but even pulling out information with a software would spare me a lot as far as I've seen

Gabor
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lawsuit

12 years ago

Best way to write Article you should check out the ezinearticel website where Different type of article are written by many people.

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gaborkiss

12 years ago

Hi again,

Thanks for the advices. I made yesterday my first article yesterday, now I double-checked it... I still don't know if its good enough, I had one positive respond though... Is there any of you would be so nice to read it over just to give me a first oppinion? Thank you, Gabor -- If you pm your email address I would send it, it's 700 words.

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Berkinb

12 years ago

Gabor,

Writing in a foreign language isn't easy; however, it is also an acquired skill, which means the more you read and write, the better and faster you will become.

So, don't be too hard on yourself. Keep writing and you will get better with each new article. If you want, I can take a look at your article

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JabMonkey

12 years ago

I was inspired by this interview with Aibek Esengulov, co-founder of the popular site MakeUseOf.com. He spent a lot of time in the first two years crafting articles for his site - really made them the best they could be. Shows what a guy from a place like Kyrgyzstan can do with the will and desire - and lots and lots of patience.

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marketwarrior06

Banned 12 years ago

Dude what do you think? The big bloggers write their own articles? I bet none of them do so. All of them outsource the articles.
As you are interested in spending money then the best way is to use an multilingual person who knows your language and also native in English. You can find them in the related forums.

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akhilendra

12 years ago

Well i will suggest you to write it yourself at-least till you learn it. If you start outsourcing it from the beginning itself, then there is no way you are going to ever learn it and if you are looking to make a career in niche marketing using English, then how many times you will go to outsourcing. You need to interact on forums like this, write email follow up letters and many more promotional activities, if you don't know English then you won't be able to do all of that.
So i will suggest to write it yourself so that you can learn it, then if you want you can always outsource it.

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Giggle

12 years ago

It may be best to test other forms of marketing than article marketing such as video marketing. There are persons on the forum who make a living by promoting products other than using article marketing.

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