Are You Positioning For The Holiday Season Yet?

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

I personally have larger lists in consumer niches
than I do in IM, so I am set up! For some of my
niches, I make more sales in November-December,
than during the entire rest of the year. I know
those markets well :-)

Food for thought...

Which begs the question, why bother with IM at all then?
Food for thought Willie.

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Willie Crawford

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Which begs the question, why bother with IM at all then?
Food for thought Willie.

One of many niches that I'm in. My first online success was
in the cookbook niche though, and that success got me
invited to speak at an IM seminar because the host wanted
to feature someone making money online outside of the
how to make money niche.

Why bother though? It's a very competitive niche, but
also very lucrative once you figure it out.

Willie

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

My first online success was in the cookbook niche though . . .

Why bother though? It's a very competitive niche, but
also very lucrative once you figure it out.

Willie

So? Why are you not giving that niche the hammer?

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

I personally have larger lists in consumer niches
than I do in IM, so I am set up! For some of my
niches, I make more sales in November-December,
than during the entire rest of the year. I know
those markets well :-)

Food for thought...

Willie

Same quote, but it begs the same question. Why aren't you concentrating on those consumer niches if they're so profitable?

You provide evasive answers Willie (I expected no less from a thoroughbred Internet Marketeer), but if certain consumer niches are as profitable as you say, why diversify yourself into other branches of IM? Surely you wouldn't need to.

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Willie Crawford

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

So? Why are you not giving that niche the hammer?

I've been selling the same cookbook profitably, and selling
a variety of products to a list built from a related site since
2000. I and my VA's do focus a lot of energy on the niche,
but it's very cyclical/seasonal.

I've also purchased all rights to several other cookbooks, some
published by Warriors, and do well with those.

I'm not being evasive, and my model for that niche is actually
very simple... a daily mailing where site visitors exchange recipes,
with "sponsor ads" offering my cookbook and cooking-related
items, to include CPA offers.

It's been very profitable for over a decade although I've never
tried to ramp it up beyond a certain point.

Willie

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

It's been very profitable for over a decade although I've never
tried to ramp it up beyond a certain point.

Willie

Contradictory. And does you no favours Willie as a perceived IM guru on WF.

If it's that profitable then take it to the limit for all it's worth. Kind of defeating the whole object of the exercise otherwise. If it ain't broken don't fix it, and all that . . .

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Mark Andrews

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Contradictory. And does you no favours Willie as a perceived IM guru on WF.

If it's that profitable then take it to the limit for all it's worth. Kind of defeating the whole object of the exercise otherwise. If it ain't broken don't fix it, and all that . . .

He's not a perceived guru, he is a guru in his own right. One of the best in fact.

I see no contradiction in his remark.

Willie Crawford is smart enough to know what represents a contradiction and knows not to post one up just for the sake of some guy like you trying to highlight something which isn't there in the first place.

Think about it.

Mark Andrews

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J Bold

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Contradictory. And does you no favours Willie as a perceived IM guru on WF.

If it's that profitable then take it to the limit for all it's worth. Kind of defeating the whole object of the exercise otherwise. If it ain't broken don't fix it, and all that . . .

Why do you waste time on a make money forum trying to start fights and trolling when you could be spending every second of your free time making money?

Food for thought...

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Paul Myers

12 years ago

HD,

You provide evasive answers Willie (I expected no less from a thoroughbred Internet Marketeer), but if certain consumer niches are as profitable as you say, why diversify yourself into other branches of IM? Surely you wouldn't need to.

I didn't see a buy button in any of Willie's posts in this thread. That being the case, he's not obligated to answer anything at all, much less according to anyone else's standards of what is, or is not, an acceptable answer.

I understand it when people get snarky with me, or you, or Bill Platt, or Joe Robinson. We dish it out, so we can expect to take our share. I don't see any sound reason for anyone approaching Willie that way.

There are lots of perfectly good reasons for not focusing on one niche, or even a small number of them. Among them are boredom, diversity of income sources, time valuation, diminishing returns, or simply having reached the lifestyle and revenue goals one deems desirable. All of which are personal calculations, and not really subject to third party judgement.

Paul

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kindsvater 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Which begs the question, why bother with IM at all then?
Food for thought Willie.

I'll answer for myself.

1. It is fun.

2. It "sharpens the saw" if you are putting together information for another person.

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LarryC 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Which begs the question, why bother with IM at all then?
Food for thought Willie.

If you're going to start senseless arguments just for the sake of arguing, you should at least use the correct terminology

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- Horny Devil Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by LarryC
  
  If you're going to start senseless arguments just for the sake of arguing, you should at least use the correct terminology
  
  Another sad thread hijacker. Contribution zero = still wants "Stars in their Eyes" recognition.
  
  Know the difference between an argument and an opinion, before you make a "foot in mouth" error of judgement.
  
  Contribute or be contrite, Larry the lamb.
  
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  Mark Andrews Banned 12 years ago
  
  Thanks for completely ruining an otherwise very good thread.
  
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  Horny Devil Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mark Andrews
  
  Thanks for completely ruining an otherwise very good thread. :rolleyes:
  
  Says you. But there again you're completely entitled to an opinion . . . as indeed am I.
  
  By the way, a sarcastic smilie - when inappropriately placed - illustrates a lack of nous.
  
  It's already been mentioned that Mr Willie Crawford needs no corner man for assistance, if indeed he were ever in a boxing match. He's highly intelligent, will perceive my question in the manner it was meant, and I'm certain will take no offence (as none was intended) . . . unlike Mr "He struck the match" Andrews.
  
  Anyway, how's the camper van after the gruelling Scotland trip Mark?
  
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JackTheFrost

12 years ago

No I'm not ready for the holiday season. The latest update put a damper on me, but I'm trying to get back into the Amazon site building.

It's hard though but I will try to get something together, I'll be happy if I just sell one thing lol.

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mchelle

12 years ago

I spent all summer working on my holiday sites, so I am definitely ready and can't wait for the holiday season to kick in full swing here.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

I'll have you know Paul that I don't dish anyth...

Looks at post history and recalls a parade of deleted posts.

Yeah...he's right on that one.

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PhillyGalJen 12 years ago

Been building toward holiday toy sales for a while now. I get to combine early Christmas shopping for my little one and writing content for all of the great toys that I am researching for her.

I love the holiday shopping season!!
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fin

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson

I'll have you know Paul that I only dish it out to people because they are idiots. I live in sunny Florida, so as far as I'm concerned everyone else can kiss my ass.

Looks at post history and couldn't care less what he finds.

Yeah...he's right on that one.

Glad I managed to catch this before you changed it. I'd be the same if I lived in the same state as Miami

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Joseph Robinson Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by fin

Glad I managed to catch this before you changed it. I'd be the same if I lived in the same state as Miami

I'm not sure if I'm impressed or concerned that you know me well enough to finish my sentences .
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- RogueOne 12 years ago
  
  I am already enjoying the seasonal selling with a halloween site i've had for about three years now. From the middle of September till November second it rocks. This year it is already 50% more traffic then last year and almost twice the income.
  
  I also have a Valentines site that has done pretty well the last couple years.
  
  I look at my seasonal sites as bonus income.
  
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shane_k

12 years ago

One thing that has helpled me position myself for the holidays is taking the time to pay attention and listen to the interests of my niece and nephew.

For example, I was talking to my nephew last week and asking him to think about things he wants for christmas because I am starting my shopping soon.

And that's all I had to say, and he was telling me about these games that are going to be coming out that he is soo excited and just can't wait for, and he was telling me about other toys that everyone in his school wants, and these are things that I probably wouldn't know about at all without his help.

Same thing with my niece, I remember a couple of years ago before the whole Hello Kitty thing became a big craze in north america she was telling about how her and all her friends wanted it, and couldn't wait until those products came out in Canada.

So I think taking the time to listen and pay attetion to our family members and their interests, and what they are excited about can possibly lead to niches that we ourselves probably wouldn't have thought about in a million years.

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Andrews

Willie Crawford is smart enough to know what represents a contradiction and knows not to post one up just for the sake of some guy like you trying to highlight something which isn't there in the first place.

Think about it.

Willie Crawford is also smart enough to represent and defend himself if he feels he's been the victim of an aside or contradiction.

Think about it yourself. But there again, being one of the more volatile and temperamental members on WF, I doubt you'd give ground on anything.

I recall one of my earlier posts during my salad days on WF where you found it necessary to dish out a generous helping of vitriol because I dared to say that money - or rather the lack of it - was the main stumbling block to most folks IM ambitions. Ironically, most agreed with me.

So, here I am, fully expecting you to be true to the rather grand signature link you boast . . . "He struck the match. Fire flickered. The fuse lit and an explosion of emotional trigger words emanated like lightning through his fingertips..."

. . . except replace the word emotional with aggressive.

It's not my wish to become embroiled in a war of words with you Mark, but you do lean towards an irritating tendency of believing the self-proclaimed hype you expound.

It's well worth remembering that there's been many an acclaimed, all time great heavyweight boxing champion. But, hey ho, someone always comes along and then retakes that accolade.

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I understand it when people get snarky with me, or you, or Bill Platt, or Joe Robinson. We dish it out, so we can expect to take our share. I don't see any sound reason for anyone approaching Willie that way.

Point taken, and I CAN take it, personally.

I've not approached Willie in any way that could be perceived as being disrespectful. I'm certain Willie - with his many successful years of IM under his belt - is perfectly capable of defending his own corner . . . if indeed there were anything to defend.

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

There are lots of perfectly good reasons for not focusing on one niche, or even a small number of them. Among them are boredom, diversity of income sources, time valuation, diminishing returns, or simply having reached the lifestyle and revenue goals one deems desirable. All of which are personal calculations, and not really subject to third party judgement.

I fully appreciate that many valid reasons exist to advocate not focusing on a single niche. My question was posed purely in the context of Willie's quote . . .

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

It's been very profitable for over a decade although I've never
tried to ramp it up beyond a certain point.

. . . which was, why has he not ramped up the success of his cook-book niche when in his own words, "It's been very profitable for over a decade".

Is that such a disrespective question on an open IM forum? Guru or not.

Originally Posted by J Bold

Why do you waste time on a make money forum trying to start fights and trolling when you could be spending every second of your free time making money?

Food for thought...

Hardly trolling. Which begs the question . . . Why are you here when you could likewise be spending every second of YOUR free time making money?

Purely for information purposes, I make my money from high profile, mega traffic blogs where I write as an authority. Also viral YouTube traffic. I've helped several WF members with personal advice which has been gratefully received, and sometimes it's a good idea to be aware of facts before steaming in. My advice is also freely available to you, if you want it.

I visit WF for knowledge (we're never too old to learn), camaraderie, and helping where I can. The latter part of the previous sentence may not meet with certain folks ideals on here, but often the truth hurts. It ultimately makes you a better person though.

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Joshua Rigley

Banned 12 years ago

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley

HD, with all due respect, you're acting like a total dick. What gives?

@JoshuaRigley. With all due respect, I've yet to meet an educated fool. What gives?

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Joshua Rigley

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

@JoshuaRigley. With all due respect, I've yet to meet an educated fool. What gives?

Maybe you need to get out more?

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley

Maybe you need to get out more?

A highly educated and incisive response. I expected no less from you. :rolleyes:

By the way, brilliant avatar JR. A picture speaks a thousand words and all that . . .

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Joshua Rigley

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

A highly educated and incisive response. I expected no less from you. :rolleyes:

As the programmers say, garbage in, garbage out. I work with what you give me. You want smart? Then give me something smart to work with.

I have nothing but respect for Willie. He has no obligation to participate in these forums, but he does anyway. And then you pop up and give him a hard time for no apparent reason. That's not cool.

This is meant to be a place to discuss methods of Internet Marketing; it isn't a place where you can attack someone just because they're widely perceived as a "guru".

Anyway, I'm done. Still bemused by your belligerent attitude towards Willie, but done.

Happy VP Debate.

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley

I have nothing but respect for Willie. He has no obligation to participate in these forums, but he does anyway. And then you pop up and give him a hard time for no apparent reason. That's not cool.

I also respect Willie, a lot. And I also have no obligation to post on these forums, but I do anyway. No-ones given him a hard time whatsoever. I posed a simple question (asked completely within the context of Willie's statement) and a mastermind called Joshua Rigley joins a thread that he has previously contributed nothing to and proceeds to inject a "Willie Crawford" defence committee upon us. Smart . . . not.

Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley

This is meant to be a place to discuss methods of Internet Marketing; it isn't a place where you can attack someone just because they're widely perceived as a "guru".

No-one is attacking anyone. You're perceiving things that are just not there. It was a question. Nothing more, nothing less. If you're overly concerned with protecting guru's interests then India's the place to be.

Originally Posted by Joshua Rigley

Still bemused by your belligerent attitude towards Willie, but done.

Poor choice of words.

bel·lig·er·ent (b-ljr-nt)
adj.
1. Inclined or eager to fight; hostile or aggressive.
2. Of, pertaining to, or engaged in warfare.
3. One that is hostile or aggressive, especially one that is engaged in war.

Hardly the Falklands conflict.

Learn words, or learn when it's time for bed.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

And now for something totally different (since side 2 of this conversation obviously isn't around to make this productive and we're just repeating the same things).

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Horny Devil

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson

And now for something totally different (since side 2 of this conversation obviously isn't around to make this productive and we're just repeating the same things).

Joseph! Not productive? I'm certain an astute "librarian geek" like you, with an avatar that could kill a budding romance at 50 paces, would surely know that side "2" of the conversation is irrelevant . . . if "side 2" doesn't turn up to the ball game.

As for repeating the same things, I haven't repeated the same things. As for repeating the same things, I haven't repeated the same things.

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Joshster

12 years ago

I've been working on a small Halloween project, got sidetracked a little.

Question for you guys: Is it too late to spend a day or two to finish it up, and get any worthwhile Affiliate sales? Do people typically shop late for Halloween?

It won't cost any money particularly but will take up a couple of full days of my time.

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Randall Magwood

12 years ago

I run a pretty elaborate campaign when Valentine's Day comes around... gets the backend list active.

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