Why is IM dominated by mostly men...?

[success09]

The differents women know and learn what to do, Men learn and tell everyone what they are doing. It's all about action woman in IM marketing are to busy marketing...
This just what I have seen

[Matt Maiden]

some of us post under a male penname!!!

Maria and Jennifer,

Wonder how many guys on social media sites use female pen names and use avatars of beautiful women to get traffic.

Matt

[Kay King]

Several years ago a woman marketer told me I wasn't supporting women marketers because I use male pen names for several niches I work in.

The only person I have to worry about supporting is ME. If a niche is one where men a better accepted, just call me Joe.

Maybe that's the big difference between men and women in marketing. Men might post asking about whether they should use a female name or not - women just do what's needed and move on with it.

IM Chick - a little editing on your quote....

Behind every successful man, there is a woman telling him to get off his a** and do something.

To add to that famous quote:
Behind every woman, there is a man checking out her a**

[Jonathan 2.0]

The reason why there aren't as many women in internet marketing isn't anything complicated it's simply because men are smarter than women. (Hehe ... I'm leaving now.)

[ktlasm]

ZigZag, I assume you like drama...lol.

[BigBenForCanton]

The same reason there are more male serial killers than females. Men will 'kill' both figuratively and literally and not care about their 'fellow man.'

And as I type this I'm listening to George Carlin and he summed up perfectly: Everything that is wrong with the world always seems to be started by men who are ignorant, greedy, and insecure.

Carlin is phenomenal.

[Anna Johnson]

Well, whatever the reasons... I bet men AND women entrepreneurs have more in common than those who are not entrepreneurs. A much more interesting distinction IMHO

[edhan]

Women tend to be more humble and keep their success as low profile. My wife now working for a female boss leading a team of men under her wing to do multi-million business. Not many people know about her except she drive Ferrari to work. I think it is equally spread between men and women in the modern generation.

[Jonathan 2.0]

Originally Posted by ktlasm

ZigZag, I assume you like drama...lol.

*Chuckle* Well it's always fun to annoy women.

[Mark .W. James]

simply put, men are smarter than women.

please dont think im a sexist or something..i love women , they complete men.. i could have never done a single good thing in my life if it wasnt for my mom.. but the fact is, males are more capable than women in certain aspects....

[Anna Johnson]

simply put, men are smarter than women.

please dont think im a sexist or something..i love women , they complete men.. i could have never done a single good thing in my life if it wasnt for my mom.. but the fact is, males are more capable than women in certain aspects....

The only problem with threads like this is that it brings out the loonies (well, amudara does give Room #12 of the Lunatic Asylum as his location...)

[Jonathan 2.0]

Originally Posted by Anna Johnson

The only problem with threads like this is that it brings out the loonies (well, amudara does give Room #12 of the Lunatic Asylum as his location...)

Mines number 13 which means I'm one step closer to the front door and sometimes escape to annoy women with my misogynistic sense of humour.

[blogonator]

Ladies WAIT! Bottom line: Guys are better at IM than ladies are.
Ok, you can start sharpening your arrows now

[ktlasm]

Anna, I think you get the award for the funniest post in this thread....lol.

[MichaelHiles]

In addition to what has already been said, there's probably some connection in there with the technology gap between sexes - there are fewer women who work in IT than men, for example.

[CPA]

Oh an btw.

I'd rather receive financial and money advice from a man. It's just me or friggin physiology.

On the other side I'd 'rather' receive advice from woman if I was interested in weight loss or gardening stuff

[Sheila]

Originally Posted by Anna Johnson

The only problem with threads like this is that it brings out the loonies (well, amudara does give Room #12 of the Lunatic Asylum as his location...)

Amen to that! Even though his Mom taught him so much - he obviously didn't learn to respect her, including her talents!

[Michael Motley]

This is only my opinion:

Men are more likely to hold on to a vision..or dream. Most guys that are the hard hitters in IM are guys that kept banging away at it when they were making nothing. When the bills were barely getting paid or coming up just a little short, they were still plugging away at their IM sites. When all their friends were calling them dreamers, or stupid or just couldnt grasp what the guy was doing to create money, they were still banging away at their chosen craft. They were the people that got excited when they made 10 bucks for the day, because they envisioned a bigger picture.

Women on the other hand, dont care about what 'might' happen when it comes to money. Either the baby has diapers and there is food in the fridge or not. When there is nothing but ramen noodle in the cupboard and icewater in the fridge women dont get excited about a 10% jump in clickthrough rate because clickthrough rates dont pay the mortgage.

[millionways]

Probably cos men have to earn to keep the woman? The woman who earn often turn out like men? and we don't like them! Who knows?

[millionways]

Very interesting. I didn't know that? Maybe I,m different, but a woman is equal to a man's word.

[InternetMarketingCenter]

We have a ton of female customers alongside our male customers, and one of the biggest contrasts is that women are more likely to want to sell a physical product that they've created or are passionate about, and men are more often trying to sell their knowledge or service -- "themselves", as it were.

These women are just as good (or better) at all the elements of Internet marketing, but they're using it in different ways to connect with their customers then the men might be.

It's the difference between "serving the customer" as the center of your pitch, and "making your expertise benefit the customer" as the center of your pitch.

An interesting side note: in terms of IM strategy, women have a more natural proclivity towards social media activities and connecting in that way, while men tend to prefer the semi-one-sided activities like copywriting.

Men are more aggressive about JV activities, but women are better at developing additional streams of income from their current offerings.

Just some observations from our customer base, and our work doing site makeovers and education with clients.

[Maria Gudelis]

Originally Posted by Matthew Maiden

Maria and Jennifer,

Wonder how many guys on social media sites use female pen names and use avatars of beautiful women to get traffic.

Matt

ROFL!!! Great Matt!

[Dan C. Rinnert]

Originally Posted by Maria Gudelis

Jennifer - how weird - you posted same time I did so didn't see yours when I said - some of us post under a male penname!!!

I was going to suggest that too. How do you know that many of the successful "men" in IM aren't really women using male pseudonyms?

Heck, even if you see them of video, how do you know the real Internet marketer behind them isn't really a woman? Sure, the guy goofs off making silly videos talking about how he makes money making silly videos or whatever, while the woman is busy in another room doing the real marketing work? Two words: Remington Steele.

[ktlasm]

In deed, the women who posted in this thread really put it down kick butt style...Let's me know that what I thought I knew might be wrong....Kudos once again!

[ktlasm]

cosmokid, please let me know if your research on this matter has concluded..thank you

[archer29]

Oh...and also - maybe some females are using a male pen name for their products....

Yup. Tis better to operate under the radar unless it's a niche like knitting or hair removal.
For women, security is always an issue and if we remain anonymous we can kick ass like any man does and not get labeled a cold hearted bitch. Win win for us!

[Justin Jordan]

Because men are taller and get the higher "low hanging fruit"?

[gentlerainman]

Sure it may be dominated by men but look at people like Alexandria Brown who does an outstanding job in internet marketing. Also there are numerous success stories of successful women internet marketers in niches outside of internet marketing. I think the larger issue is whether women can bridge the gap (specifically within the internet marketing niche) and sell their knowledge and ideas to men. I don't know of a real success story in that regard.

[mariochase]

Something that came up in my mind that this could also be related to, is the fact that most women are not so deeply interested in computer's stuff as men.

Like.. I don't really know why, but if you check some computer course in college (at least here in Brazil), at least 95% (can be up to 98%) of the students are man.

So one question is why most girls are not so into computers.. as man?? Is that something also imposed by society!? Don't really know the answer for this one.

I don't usually see a lot of women web-designers (but I have seen a few), I haven't seem a lot of lady software programmers.

I imagine that the reason women choose other stuff to do is because they are way more social beigns than men (they preferer to talk in person.. do business in person).. and computers is just a flat digital screen machine...

I could be completely wrong... but that's something we have to think about too.

[billionareHuman]

have to agree that men are normally attracted by money more than women

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by billionareHuman

have to agree that men are normally attracted by money more than women

Yeah, but men are attracted by money because it attracts women

[ktlasm]

Cosmo, thank you very much...extremely interesting.

[marciayudkin]

For those who are still wondering where the women Goobers have been hiding, take a look at the illustrious conference lineup put together by Jody Gabourie (female) and Marty Marsh (male) - the link is in my signature.

When I asked Jody whether or not the preponderance of women experts on the schedule was deliberate, here is what she said:

“Marty Marsh and I handpicked the speakers based on their demonstrated expertise, our personal experience with them and that we liked them. Although it was not deliberate that 14 out of 18 speakers are women, it makes sense. Women entrepreneurs have been at the forefront of doing business in a way that respects and honors other people, fosters connection and works toward the highest good for everyone.”

Your thoughts?

Marcia Yudkin (one of the speakers at this event)

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by ktlasm

why do you think men dominate the IM industry as of now...?

Risk tolerance.

Men simply take bigger financial risks than women. There may be more successes as a result, but there are also more failures. The bell curve is flatter.

[misterwrecker]

Ask yourself "Why do men dominate the offline business world" and you will have the same answer.

[Saul']

Originally Posted by DougBarger

Later at home, he handed over the money purse to his wife.

She is called "More than a Conqueror".

Spot on! Behind every great man there is a great woman.

[crissanteiro]

That's funny. I was thinking that IM is mostly dominated by addicts...A lot of IMers talk about having being into drugs before.

It makes sense, because IM is very addictive.

I mean, we work hundreds of hours a week and think it's normal, right?

[MR. Bliss]

Jennifer,
If your testing prooves you are right then you have
learned what alot of marketers do not accomplish (by testing).

Personaly, I purchase and promote products weekly from the Wacky Gals (Kathe & Denise) as well as Mieke Jannsens and other women. When I am in cutomer mode it's about the price, delivery and actually believing the Seller.

[Saul']

Originally Posted by crissanteiro

A lot of IMers talk about having being into drugs before.

Huh? Please name a few of that lot. I must be out of the loop to not know a single one, and you make it sound like every second marketer is an ex-addict.

[John Willer]

And the gender war begins.

[crissanteiro]

I really have heard many say they are. Just don't want to name them here, even though they talk about what losers they used to be.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by SteelDanno

Agree with PC. I think us fellas generally have more of the genetic hard wiring that makes us more predisposed to be attracted to all things money.

What a load of BULL!

In some respects, women are better businesswomen because they ARE women. Their nurturing instincts serve them well in both investing (buy and hold requires a nurturing mindset to build the nest egg) AND in building and growing a business.

As someone else mentioned, women often have a cold side and a killer instinct which makes them VERY good businesswomen. Their STYLE though, is often decidedly feminine.

I don't have time to research a lot of examples to throw out at you right now, but here's two off of the top of my head:

1. Mary Kay Ash, founder of Mary Kay Cosmetics.

Mary Kay had built a VERY successful career in direct sales (you know, the if-you-don't-sell-you don't-eat kind of business) and RETIRED before going on to found Mary Kay Cosmetics. Before you say it's strictly a female business (since she was selling cosmetics to other women), remember that direct sales requires is as much a determination, take-action, give-me-RESULTS, only-the-numbers-count type of business.

Direct sales, no matter what you're selling, requires a very level business head and a results-oriented, no-excuses approach. PERIOD.

And she was HUGELY, HUGELY successful. And so were many, many women who joined the company as Independent Mary Kay Consultants.

2. Alexandria Brown, Alexandria Brown International -- Internet marketer

I've chosen Alexandria as my IM coach/mentor and she's a self-made multi-millionaire. She's a woman and markets in a somewhat softer, more feminine voice. But she's a tremendous and extremely effective copywriter. There's nothing of the shy, retiring wallflower in her marketing. She's a stand-out girl and is dead-serious about business and getting results.

3. Kay Graham -- owner/publisher Washington Post

Kay Graham headed the Washington Post for many, many years and Watergate happened during her tenure. I've read her autobiography and was quite impressed. Running a newspaper (or any other periodical for that matter) is no small feat. The Post's coverage of the Watergate scandal could have sunk her paper, but it didn't and they maintained strong market share for many, many years. (Woodward and Bernstein were Washington Post reporters and led the way with the New York Times and other papers trying to catch up.)

Those are just three examples, but they're good ones.

True, you didn't say women COULDN'T start and run businesses, but saying that men are more predisposed to attract money is just as much Dark Ages theory. A lot of women could kick a man's &*^ all over the business landscape all day long.

Grrrrr!

Ok, off my soapbox now.

Michelle

[ByronHabich]

Actually my MOM got me into it lol.

[Kezz]

As a freelancer doing a lot of work for IMers, who don't ever bother giving me a pen name, I thought I'd do a quick count up of male and female clients. The tally is 75% men and 25% women. I'd hazard a guess that's a fairly representative cross section.

I think it really does just come down to what you're interested in. As a general tendency, men are more interested in this kind of thing than women. The same goes with computers and general techy stuff. I'm personally very interested in computers and techy stuff, always have been, but most other women I meet aren't. At the same time though, I'm far more technically proficient than almost every man I meet.

What I'm getting at is that what you are interested in often determines how much time you put into something, which in turn often determines how proficient you are in that area.

To the guy using a stock photo of a male model as his avatar (this guy), making the sweeping statement that men are more intelligent than women as a rule, is an extremely inaccurate thing to suggest. I would happily take on any kind of IQ test and expect to place myself in the top 2% - 10% of all human beings in any kind of measurement of mental prowess.

The number of women in IM is predominantly a measure of the number of women that WANT to be in IM. When you look at things honestly, it's actually much easier for women to move into areas that have a majority of men within them, than it is the other way around. For example, how much stick do male nurses or male hairdressers have to put up with?

Yes, we all have aptitudes, but ultimately we all make the choice of where we want to apply our skills and talents. I don't believe there are any huge barriers for women entering IM. I do believe that the difference in numbers comes down to a simple matter of what people have chosen to do with their lives.

[misterwrecker]

I agree with most of what you saying Kezz. If you take computers as a whole, women are not as interested with the technical and business aspects. I think the way we are raised and brought up has a lot to do with it also. The barriers are not huge like mentioned and nobody has to even know that you are a women. That's what separates the online world from offline. If I think about my family, friends, and acquaintances I do not personally know anyone male or female that is even involved in IM.

[GregtheWriter]

It is interesting.

I'm a multi-level marketer or network marketer as well an IMer, but I have noticed this very large dichotomy in my industry.

In network marketing the most successful people more often than not are women. Despite what they say about MLM, there are many components where good salesmanship helps a lot to grow the business. Women are naturally good salespeople, they're often warm, understanding and very sympathetic to peoples situations.

In the online world it is much different. Unsure of why. A quick stab though I'd say is that most men are more adventurous than women in many ways. IMing is a pretty adventurous profession and opens up the doors to some amazing lifestyles even if you are making a moderate living of 50-60g a year doing it.

You're still able to go anywhere and do anything you want.

To the top,
-Gregory

[warrior82]

i think before doing this comparison, we have to know the ratio of males and females taking this challenge.

may be a very few number of women are actually choosing IM as a career path.

[igorhelpsyousucceed]

I realy have no clue why is that so, but
there are plenty of women out there doing
wonders online.

Igor

[ken_p]

Because most of the women are busy taking care of the children.Lol

[Tyrus Antas]

Testosterone. We men want to make a lot of money to attract females. Females don't need to do much to attract males, they just need to be... females. Competition among males for sex is much higher.

Women tend to be more careful too. You won't find many women making millions from Internet Marketing but there are many who quietly are making a confortable living, growing their business one client at a time.

Tyrus