When to use No Follow ?

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I am building some sites on which I want to get as high a PR as possible.

As they are Information sites they contain links to other relevant sites

My question is should I make those links "no follow"

If I do not make them no follow will they bleed potential page rank ?.

What do you do ??
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  • Profile picture of the author Amitywill
    As long as you link to quality sites then you'll
    be ok. Page rank is more about how many links
    you have pointing to your site than what sites
    you point to so whether you use no follow or
    not shouldn't affect PR.

    Also the no follow tag is often ignored
    by the search engines anyway. I've tested this before
    on a few occasions and have gotten my sites indexed
    from just one link from another website that was supposed
    to be no follow.

    To be honest I don't even care about PR these
    days. All I care about is how much traffic I'm
    getting and how much money that traffic is
    making me. PR doesn't make you money, traffic
    and conversions does.

    Will Cooper
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    • Profile picture of the author Randy Bheites
      Nofollow doesn't mean the search engines won't spider that link, it just means they won't give any of your PR linkjuice to that link.

      I use nofollow for pages on my sites that I don't need to have the search engines rank me for, like privacy policy, about us, contact and so forth. I also use it when I want to link out informationally but don't have any kind of reciprocity agreement with the site (when there is no linkback).

      That way, all the PR power I have for a site or a page gets managed within my site a little better. Some people get kind of OCD about 'sculpting' their linking structure, but I find it a waste of time relative to value.
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    • Profile picture of the author grumpyb
      To be honest I don't even care about PR these
      days. All I care about is how much traffic I'm
      getting and how much money that traffic is
      making me. PR doesn't make you money, traffic
      and conversions does.

      Will Cooper
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      I disgree entirely with your comment that PR does not have any value. The cost of a back link on a PR8 site is more than $750US a month and a PR6 can cost as much as $90USD a month.

      Some people think that 2 PR6 backlinks from quality niche targeted sites is worth thousands of Low PR backlinks.

      As evedence of this I can see sites that are dominating SERPS and yet they have only a few High PR quality niche specific back links

      I guess if you are on another journey that does not Involve PR on your sites then you may have this opinion

      My question was asking about bleeding PR by having links to other Information sites
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      • Profile picture of the author Amitywill
        Originally Posted by grumpyb View Post

        The cost of a back link on a PR8 site is more than $750US a month and a PR6 can cost as much as $90USD a month.
        You need to thinks about what does spending
        $750 per month on a link from a pr8 site get you.

        Is it a boost in the search engines? Well if it's
        a boost in the search engines then your going to
        need to make sure that the keyword you are
        trying to rank for makes you more than $750
        per month.

        Or is it the traffic from the actual website? In that
        case again you are going to need to make sure that
        you are making over $750 per month to cover the costs.

        If you are planning on selling the links from the pr8
        site that you own then if it's getting no traffic then don't expect
        any repeat customers because people are only going
        to keep paying for something that is making a profit
        for them.

        PR these days doesn't really mean a thing imo. For example
        I would rather pay $750 dollars a month from a pr0
        website that can send me 1,000 visitors per month than
        $750 per month from a pr8 site that sends me 10.

        I think this is where some people go wrong. They care more
        about what number out of 10 their page rank is than how much
        money their site is actually making them and how many visitors
        they are getting.

        Originally Posted by grumpyb View Post

        Some people think that 2 PR6 backlinks from quality niche targeted sites is worth thousands of Low PR backlinks.
        Well that's their opinion, again if those links aren't
        actually making you any money then who cares how
        many links they are worth?

        Originally Posted by grumpyb View Post

        As evedence of this I can see sites that are dominating SERPS and yet they have only a few High PR quality niche specific back links
        Have you also noticed how so many new sites with PR0 can
        outrank the websites that have been around for years
        and have a high pr?

        Again all I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter
        how high your page rank is if it's not contributing to
        your income.

        I mean would you rather go around telling your friends
        that you have a PR10 site OR would you rather go around
        telling your friends that you have a site that makes $10,000
        per month?

        Also I have some pr0 sites that have high rankings and make
        me money. And I also have higher page rank sites that get
        a smaller amount of traffic and don't make me much money.

        All I'm trying to say is that PR is very overated imo and it's
        much more important to focus on getting traffic and making
        money with your sites than focusing on getting a higher imaginary
        number out of 10 that really means nothing if your making no money
        with it.

        Take care,

        Will
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        • Profile picture of the author grumpyb
          [quote=Amitywill;647906]You need to thinks about what does spending
          $750 per month on a link from a pr8 site get you.

          Is it a boost in the search engines? Well if it's
          a boost in the search engines then your going to
          need to make sure that the keyword you are
          trying to rank for makes you more than $750
          per month.

          Will my point to you is that you are being one eyed in your aproach here
          You assume that everyone makes money from traffic clicking adsense or clickbank or something similar.

          I have sites that sell hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of physical products every month and they do that beacause they are high in the SERPS often in very competitive niches.

          You get high in the SERPS by obtaining back links and if you place say 3 PR 8 backlinks and pay $2300 a month for the priveledge then its obviously very worth while if it puts you on page 1
          The same applies to setting up web sites to gain high PR and maybe having other people pay you for the links on your sites
          It is very lucrative if you get it right.

          My OP was asking opinions about bleeding PR by having outgoing links to Information sites and you have not addressed this at all.
          Not everyone is on the same journey as you and not everyone is a newbie
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  • Profile picture of the author primeelite
    Pagerank does matter as most large websites get a large amount of traffic from search engines. As far as using no-follow, I use it on my about me page, privacy policy, contact, etc. Just to basically save the PR juice for the pages that matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    I fear you will never get a definitive answer about draining your PR either way!

    If you are of the school, however, that believes outgoing links can drain PR from your site, there are ways to prevent this from happening. As you mentioned, you could go the "rel='nofollow'" route. Another is to use a java-generated form. Search engines don't read javascript well, so such a form-based outgoing link will not drain PR from you.

    eg. Suppose you use an aWeber static, in-line form for an opt-in on your page. aWeber allows you to choose between an HTML generated form and a java-based form. I always choose the java form because that outgoing link won't drain PR (and it is preferred anyway because it allows more tracking of your subscribers as related to click-throughs).

    Also remember that how you do the internal linking between pages on your site WILL affect the PageRank of the component pages. You likely have certain pages for which it is more important that you have a high PR. Simply linking every page to every other page, or linking them all in a circular fashion tends to spread PR out more evenly. Playing with your linking structure can maximize the PR of your index page (or whatever page you want the most PR for).

    Also keep in mind that PageRank is most certainly based on some kind of logarithmic (or exponential) scale depending on how you look at it, much like the Richter Scale used for earthquake measurements or the pH scale used in chemistry. Small changes on the scale indicate much larger changes in the phenomenon being measured.

    Thus, if you allow a drain on your PR to cause your page to fall from 2 down to 1, while that is not good obviously--it is not nearly as devastating as a fall from 8 down to 7. Conversely, it is relatively easy to push a page from a PR of 0 to 1, but much, much harder to push it from a 5 to a 6. Think of PR as a graph which goes up much faster the farther out you go.

    Some will argue that a site like the Warrior Forum could achieve no appreciable PR if outgoing links could drain PR away--since there are tens-of-thousands of outbound links. However, the OVERALL PR assigned to a site (not the individual pages) increases for every page that is added. And, because of the extensive inner linking--and nearly all sub-pages linking to the home page--substantial PR can be achieved by forums and directories even though there are substantial outbound links even if they are FOLLOW links.

    Anyway, PR means very little to me anyway. The PR of my pages has nothing to do with where they rank in the SERPs. I am more interested in getting qualified traffic from the SERPs than getting a high PR. As you know, there are tons of pages on the front page of Google for any search term that have a PR of 0.
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    • Profile picture of the author grumpyb
      Anyway, PR means very little to me anyway. The PR of my pages has nothing to do with where they rank in the SERPs. I am more interested in getting qualified traffic from the SERPs than getting a high PR. As you know, there are tons of pages on the front page of Google for any search term that have a PR of 0.[/QUOTE]

      Yes there is no doubt that its SERP that brings in the money and I must say that lately I have been seeing some Low PR sites outranking Higher PR sites in the SERPs

      But if SERP is largely driven by back links and PR is driven by back links there must be some sort of symbiotic relationship between the two.
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