Has ranking in Google become harder or is it just me?

by pampoen 53 replies
I don't know if it really is happening, maybe i'm just being to paranoid:confused:, to many people complaining how Google wronged them, but since the EMD Domain change has it become harder to rank? Yes i realize that it will be harder to rank EMD's but just normal websites, with a quality link wheel and article marketing.I have heard so many stories of how guys were able to rank there sites within 2 months on number one, is this still possible?
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    It has become easier to rank EMDs since the update. You just need quality content which is relevant and topic centric. And as long as you supplement that with on page seo you are good.

    The emd update is received wrongly. It has made it easier to rank EMDs which are quality websites. Crappy websites may have gone down though. Talking from experience about my websites.
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    • Profile picture of the author pampoen
      Thanks man, what about SEO,backlinks ETC. Whats your opinion to get your sites on the upward turn?
    • Profile picture of the author Dinospider
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      Originally Posted by WeavingThoughts View Post

      It has become easier to rank EMDs since the update. You just need quality content which is relevant and topic centric. And as long as you supplement that with on page seo you are good.

      The emd update is received wrongly. It has made it easier to rank EMDs which are quality websites. Crappy websites may have gone down though. Talking from experience about my websites.
      I second this, all my EMD'S went up and not down, it's all down to

      • Quality Content
      • Gradually built up social profile
      • High quality links
      Can't go wrong with those... haven't had any problems from the google updates.
  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Ranking is harder because there is more competition - everywhere. Each time a gazillion IMers jump on some bandwagon Google tends to whack it due to abuses, so from this corner of the net it could appear ranking is harder.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Yknow the time wasted mucking around trying to 'cut corners' takes longer than it would if you just built decent sites, with good quality content.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Yes, it would be harder to rank if your sites have bad content, bad SEO or are over optimized. The Exact Match Domain update mainly penalizes EMD domains with poor quality content.
  • Profile picture of the author pampoen
    Alexa Smith "For the last 2+ years I've submitted all my articles (eventually, after everything else I do with them) to Ezine Articles - and sometimes to one other directory, too - and that's the only article directory submission I do. This is much better for my business and is what I continue to do"

    Are you still doing this? Are you still finding success with Ezine articles? My sites are Adsense,CPA sites, do you think that this is all you need to rank?

    I'm new to this so be nice please
    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by pampoen View Post

      Are you still doing this? Are you still finding success with Ezine articles?
      Yes, very much so.

      As you can see from a lot of article marketing threads, there are very large numbers of us here having great success with Ezine Articles, but we're using it as a directory, not trying to use it to generate traffic or for its backlinks.

      There's no point at all in using Ezine Articles for SEO benefits arising from the Ezine Articles copy, but that isn't what the Ezine Articles copy is there for anyway, of course.

      Originally Posted by pampoen View Post

      My sites are Adsense,CPA sites, do you think that this is all you need to rank?
      Article marketing isn't primarily about rankings, or SEO, at all.

      It's true that there can be great SEO advantages from article marketing, but not from submitting to article directories. Only by syndication to relevant sites. But the only purpose of submitting anything to an article directory is to get it passively syndicated from there to a relevant site anyway. Here you are: this post will help you - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

      Originally Posted by pampoen View Post

      I'm new to this so be nice please
      Damn, there's always a catch ...

      Seriously, I don't know whether article marketing is a viable method for CPA/AdSense sites, since I don't do CPA and don't use AdSense, myself. But I can tell you confidently and with certainty that article marketing isn't about SEO.

      To answer your original question: ranking in Google, every time there's a major algorithm change, gets harder for some people and easier for others. It also, collectively, gets a little harder for everyone, perhaps, just as the number of websites grows. Over the last two, two-and-a-half years, ranking in Google has become steadily easier, overall, for article marketers, but much, much harder for people trying to use article directories and Web 2.0 sites as a backlinking way of ranking, because of the Panda updates, Penguin update, and so on. The key point to appreciate is that "linkjuice" is determined by relevance and quality, not by "numbers of backlinks". And these days large numbers of backlinks on non-relevant sites can always be penalized, too.

      All my articles happen to be in Ezine Articles as well as on my own site and on many other people's sites, but the SEO benefits I get don't come from the EZA copies at all. (And neither do anyone else's). They come from the copies on other, relevant sites in my niches. The Ezine Article copies are just a partial stepping-stone to getting those backlinks. Those backlinks are worth a lot (and relatively speaking, they're worth more and more all the time). But in order to get them, you have to have your article syndicated successfully. They don't do your SEO any good at all just sitting in an article directory or on a Web 2.0 site. Nor in 100 article directories or on 100 Web 2.0 sites. So you need a different sort of article in the first place. No point in using shorter, keyword-optimized articles. Nobody's going to syndicate those.

      So, I think the answer from your perspective is probably "Yes, it'll be a lot harder for you to rank sites now", I'm afraid.

      SEO dependent business models aren't going to get any easier.

      Also, a business that depends on Google for its primary traffic can never be more than one algorithm-change away from an big accident. Sorry.

      Originally Posted by pampoen View Post

      my content is perfectly original and unique
      That doesn't make any difference at all to Google, I'm afraid.

      The value of the backlink is determined mostly by the relevance and quality of the site on which it's published, and not at all by whether the content to which it's attached has been published before.
    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by pampoen View Post

      Alexa Smith Are you still finding success with Ezine articles? My sites are Adsense,CPA sites, do you think that this is all you need to rank?

      I'm new to this so be nice please
      Anybody, today, telling you that they are having success with Ezine is either not telling you the truth or they're trying to sell you something (like trying to sell you article marketing systems that in reality won't earn you anything).

      As article syndication / marketing was practiced in the past, those methods in today's environment are now dead, dead, dead. NOBODY is making any serious money using the old article syndication / marketing ways. If they say they are, I say show me proof or it didn't happen.

      Did I said "dead"?

      And while you should take your Adsense questions to the Adsense forums and the CPA questions to the CPA forums, the BEST (and only) way to rank those sites is to start with good, solid, original content that's not duplicated en mass throughout the 'net.
  • Profile picture of the author pampoen
    And for everyone else, my content is perfectly original and unique
  • Profile picture of the author eniggma
    I saw a quote where a rep from google said the best thing to do is to stop worrying about SEO all together. Building quality links by guest posting on relevant blogs and only using the top article sites such as ezine articles although their effectiveness did take a hit is still key. Social Bookmarking works as well.

    You really should just focus on great content with a simplified and toned down linking strategy. You should not just abandon link building all together but Google is really forcing the point that good content will take care of itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by eniggma View Post

      I saw a quote where a rep from google said the best thing to do is to stop worrying about SEO all together. Building quality links by guest posting on relevant blogs and only using the top article sites such as ezine articles although their effectiveness did take a hit is still key.
      Actually Matt Cutts of Google had this to day about Ezine and using it for SEO purposes:

    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Anybody, today, telling you that they are having success with Ezine is either not telling you the truth or they're trying to sell you something (like trying to sell you article marketing systems that in reality won't earn you anything).
      I suppose that depends on what their goals are, and what they mean by success. I don't personally think much of that kind of article directory, but some people seem to do well with them. But only if their content gets picked up by other publishers.

      Most people either can't write well enough to be worth publishing, or they're in niches that don't get much attention at the directories.
      NOBODY is making any serious money using the old article syndication / marketing ways.
      [chuckle] Define 'old.'

      This is one of those arguments that ends up with people talking past each other because they're using certain key words in different ways. In this case, two of them: article and syndication.

      The majority of people in this industry who claim to be writers couldn't tell an article from advertorial if their lives depended on it. For many, the word means "any extended blob of text into which I can insert keywords, in the hopes of getting some juice from the SEs." The notion that articles should serve a purpose for the reader is entirely foreign to them.

      Marketing using that sort of dreck is pretty much dead, yes. But that's not what serious people mean when they use the word 'article.'


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  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    The internet is so overloaded with content that you need to be more specific in your writings in order to get the targeted traffic that you are seeking for. The more unique targeted content you create, the more google will place you on the front page.
  • Profile picture of the author pampoen
    Awesome guys! a while ago a guy called UK Carl posted on his adsense niche sites.He used Micro Niche Finder(just like market samurai) to find niches and once he finished a Wordpress site with 4 to 5 unique articles he would run a campaign on Unique Article Wizard.I did some research and those sites are still ranking within the top 5 for there keyphrase. My personal opinion is that if done correctly and with the idea of giving to the community and to your readers by writing good stuff and not keyword trash you can still succeed using tools like UAW to help you get those backlinks.

    Any comments?
  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I'm afraid SEO and ranking has not changed much, if you build a natural back link porfolio, less spam and crappy content you should be fine.

    Well, i still use article directories for diversification of links and anchors.

    For the EDM, Google has finally do away with the special attention their algo has for EDM sites.
    EDM are now a floor member like every other domain name....

    So if you have been able to rank a non-EDM site in the past you should be able to rank EDM now. Remember, you need quality links and stay clear off over optimization.

    I implore you learn about the rules.

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