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[MrYossu]

Originally Posted by elizam

So I would err even further on the side of speaking softly and not even use the word "rent." I would simply provide them a site, domain and hosting for a full year at a cost that breaks down to XYZ per month ... and the right to renew of course.

The only problem with this is that if you don't make it clear that you are renting the site, they will likely assume that you have created a site for them, and/or are selling the sit to them.

At the end of the first term of hosting, they are quite likely to ask for their site, so they can host it with someone cheaper. If you haven't made it clear you are only renting them the site, they could get awkward about it.

Without any stated intention, it could come down to whatever is assumed to be norm, which in the case of web design is probably (caveat, I'm no lawyer) that it's their site that you are hosting for them.

IMO it's far better to be upfront and explain that you are renting the site out. If you sell the benefits well enough, plus emphasise the low risk involved, they are quite likely to be happy with that.

HTH

[GoGetta]

You could even use the word "Lease" or alternatively tell them the structure of the site is yours and they rent the content!

GoGetta

[Liz Micik]

MrYossu -- Doh. You're absolutely right. I'm going to blame this one on a brain freeze. Thanks.

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by stayfocused

That is the beautiful thing about the internet. If you don't use the term McDonalds in the domain name anywhere then you should be fine. They don't own the rights to be ranked for " McDonalds Los Angeles".

You would be giving a review on a product (Mcdonalds in LA) and you where ranked for that keyword. They would have no legal ground to go after you.

Now that doesn't mean that they can't make your life a living hell because like you say, they have lawyers on retainer who are making money without doing any work.

But don't confuse being ranked for keywords that are trademarked and using trademarked keywords in your domain.

2 totally different ballgames in my opinion. And just for the record, that is JUST MY OPINION. And unless someone tapped me to fill the Supreme Court Seat coming up then it will stay JUST my opinion.

I'm not confusing anything. We're saying pretty much the same thing.

Dexx's comment was to contact McDonalds and offer to rent them the site with the bad review so they could change it.

My observation was that large corporations, presented with such an offer, would tend to be more likely to take the bully's route and use their resources to combat what they perceive as extortion.

Since the review is promoting a competitor for money, they could simply challenge the reviewer to substantiate their claims and sue for false advertising or slander when that evidence is lacking.

Once that "pay me and I'll remove the bad review" offer is made, one could easily make the case that the review was posted for the sole purpose of extorting money from the company reviewed. Whether that case is winnable is a whole different discussion. One best left to actual lawyers.

[sharpee]

Great thread that has helped me decide where to focus. One of the biggest problems with supplying websites to local businesses seems to be the 'yes we are interested and we will get back to you when we are ready to proceed and have got our content prepared'. I currently have about 4 clients that say they want a website from me but are not progressing yet!

This method puts you in control of time-scales! 'Here is a well ranked website available for you to rent' - They just have to say yes or no. I like the 30 days free trial option.

Regarding updating their content - Why not just make the site from Wordpress and give the Renter, the 'Administrator, Editor, or Author' roles, while you remain as Blog Owner/Administrator? Removes all that hassle factor for you & empowers them. You can even charge for training them.

Keep the ideas coming & take action!

[GoGetta]

Hi Sharpee,

Yes you touch on a great point and a further benefit of the rent a site model, give them content control of there site! The beauty is, once the client has control of a site he is renting, you can bet your bottom dollar they will never ever give it up! ; ) Money month after month after month!

GoGetta

[Spark]

guys,

love this reading! i love the method of renting to clients that the sites we create are already having traffic (which in this case does have higher values in terms of trust / website) plus with abit of sales [Perhaps mention them that you have already send out the invitation to 100 of the same niche business and only 1 will be selected]

However i am curious, let's say you send to them and there's like 10 person interested and during the 1st meeting. they agree with your price. what abt the next 9 clients? do you just mention the deal has already finish? is there any better suggestion on this? since all of us wont waste those opportunity on these clients. right?

[Ryce]

Guys, this should be a sticky thread.

IMHO the Rental Economy is on the verge of exploding for so many niches. People want to have more experiences and less overhead, less commitment. So many choices and things change so quickly that our potential customers usually have paralysis by so many choices

The rental economy , as described in trendwatching Transumer briefing, caters to consumers more interested in experiences than ownership.Also TRYVERTISING, which is all about consumers becoming familiar with new products by actually trying them out solves part of those customer acquisition hurdles

"Think of TRYVERTISING as a new breed of product placement* in the real world, integrating your goods and services into daily life in a relevant way, so that consumers can make up their minds based on their experience, not your messages

[sharpee]

Originally Posted by Spark

guys,

love this reading! i love the method of renting to clients that the sites we create are already having traffic (which in this case does have higher values in terms of trust / website) plus with abit of sales [Perhaps mention them that you have already send out the invitation to 100 of the same niche business and only 1 will be selected]

However i am curious, let's say you send to them and there's like 10 person interested and during the 1st meeting. they agree with your price. what abt the next 9 clients? do you just mention the deal has already finish? is there any better suggestion on this? since all of us wont waste those opportunity on these clients. right?

I plan to get a few websites ready in different niches and then just contact 2 or 3 companies each day, in each niche. I will also state in the approach email/ letter/ cold call that I am doing this, so there is gentle pressure. You snooze, you loose!
I wouldn't be contacting large numbers at once. Wish you well.

[Spark]

Cool,

thanks for your idea on this.

i am curious on this, how much does these whole thing cost to client??
Do you sign any agreement or any paper work need to do before doing these stuffs?

I mean these are businessman after all..i don't really believe they will be happy to just give you a cheque and wait for the result. There's some sort of paper works for all your clients right?

[sharpee]

Thinking more about what 'Spark' said above.

It may be tempting to offer a 2nd or 3rd website in the same locality and same nice but you can demand a higher price by using rarity factor. Only doing one website in this area in this niche. If you were to offer more, then you make it harder for yourself to rate well on Google as you are having to get 2 or 3 website all competing for high rankings. I think there is also an ethical issue of working with 2 or 3 competitors in the same locality.

One other slight twist to the idea is to offer the opportunity to several competitors to be featured on the website and then display the adverts using a rotating banner/ alternate page system. Could include a Google Adwords campaign to increase traffic. Might be a way to get a higher rent from the website.

[GoGetta]

Having only one site helps to add urgency to the sale! If a business owner is interested, the fact he may lose it to a competitor is enough to push the same through. Also, the fact you can then add extra benefits such as exclusivity etc. always help!

GoGetta

[Ryce]

Originally Posted by GoGetta

Having only one site helps to add urgency to the sale! If a business owner is interested, the fact he may lose it to a competitor is enough to push the same through. Also, the fact you can then add extra benefits such as exclusivity etc. always help!

GoGetta

Hi Getta,

How do you estimate ROI to justify the client's expenses ?

What kind of metrics you use to sell yourself and what kind of metrics you use during the lease period?

In the monthly fee are included dashboard like reports?


thanks in advance

[Tom Brite]

Ive just developed a new idea/plan and made a thread about it but thinking about it i should have just asked it here instead.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/88284-rent-site-similar-business-model-full-idea-plan-you-opinion.html

Thanks in advance
Tom Brite

[ayolov]

This is a keen model, I believe that with some polishing it could be a real winner!

[korakmitra]

Originally Posted by Dexx

**JUST HAD AN INTERESTING EXPANSION IDEA***

Now what do you guys think of this...

Create the niche site: cityrestaurantreviews/[local company name]

and then get #1 search engine ranking FOR THAT COMPANY'S NAME!
(assuming they aren't very well SEO'd)

Would it then be legal to approach that company and say "Hey...I have the #1 ranking for your name if you'd like to rent it from me...if not I'll offer it to your competition"

Would that be legal? Or would that border on extortion / trademark infringement?

If they said no, could I then sell the page to their competition and title the page:

"I Didn't Have a Good Experience with [Local Company Name]...Here's Why"

and then go on to state that I found the "competitor" company to offer better service, prices, etc. and that's why I'm recommending my friends go to them?


Could I be sued for my own personal thoughts on a business? (assuming it's not outright defamation / slander to their business) such as saying "I didnt enjoy their business" while also selling off the promotional space?


I'd be curious to know if anyone has done something similar

I was in the online yellow pages business for a while but have not implemented this myself.

I would think you are free to optimize for any keyword phrase in a review site. What you should probably not do is to try to sell based on - "Pay me or I will put in a bad review." Instead, set the page with a set of user reviews (honest ones, no slanting, ask readers for comments/reviews). Below the reviews you can have a site recommendation for other restaurants in the same food category. Above the reviews, reserve space for a the restaurant's own listing/menu/graphics. This is optional, and getting this spot is what the restaurant pays for. The restaurant also pays for a first come first serve spot on the site recommendation list. Basically, this is what Yelp or CitySearch do.

My 2 cents.

[Ryce]

GoGuetta has a product where probably the concept is detailed

No affiliation here Phone Obliteration

Anyone tried?

Guetta has been so helpful here that I think its probably worth a test

A great weekend to all!!!

[Tramp_Art]

Originally Posted by Jon Alexander

Dexx, I think you'd be on VERY dangerous ground. Unless you could show you had a legit reason for using their name in that way.

Jon is absolutely correct. Not only would you be on VERY dangerous ground, you would be in violation of the Cyber Squatting law.

[garycashin]

Originally Posted by Ryce

GoGuetta has a product where probably the concept is detailed

No affiliation here Phone Obliteration

Anyone tried?

Guetta has been so helpful here that I think its probably worth a test

A great weekend to all!!!

Ryce Phone Obliteration is fantastic I would reccomend all of gogettas stuff is great

[InternetMarketingIQ]

I see no reason why it couldn't work as long as there is a pool of available clients, the cost fits the model for the client, and you are able to maintain your ranking and deliver results.

[SMS]

A dandy variation of this technique is to build a niche portal & then rent out pages on the portal.

For instance you could have BestSurgeons.com and then have BestSurgeons.com/surgeon-in-new-york.html, BestSurgeons.com/dallas-surgeon.html etc. These pages would then be rented out to one client per location.

This takes a lot more work obviously, but scales very very well and has a number of benefits...

You actually end up with an authority site because you'll have loads of pages, with each one ranking very high.

New pages get indexed very quickly without the need for bookmarking.

You create a valuable brand that you can sell on later.

If the brand becomes established, people will bypass google & go straight to your portal to look for a surgeon in their area.

Anyway guys... just thought I'll throw that into the mix

[MisterMunch]

How can you go for the parts of the city or places around the city where not to many live, but still get some searches.

I am not from the states, so it is hard to come up with examples, but say you where targeting new york, you might want to rank for places like manhattan, bronx, broklyn etc also.

I know each of those parts of new york are all very competitive, but I am thinking in terms of places outside of a small town where there might only live 5000 people. To cover the whole area.

Maybe ask the customer once the contract is signed, and they have tested it for a month if they want you to target other keywords as well. Charge extra for that service?

[Eric Stanley]

Is there a lease/rent legal agreement for virtual property (for this model -- concerning domain ownership) floating around somewhere out there?

[ildarius]

Gogetta

Great advice, my head is spinning with ideas now!

Like some mentioned here, some keywords are trickier than others, for example it's hard to rank for "montreal renovation" for example, but that's a very tought market where local PPC bids start at 1$ a click!

One question:

Do you talk about projected R.O.I? Tell them about the amount of searches and potential conversion rates? Do you think they would still keep the service around if it
was not bringing in money?

BTW for my friend's local business I run ppc ads elita-construction.com and he is EXTREMELY happy with the outcome, 5% of visitors leave their contact details (conversion rate was 0% when I used the classic IM One-long-Sales-Page Design, so some people prefer flashy pages (literally in this case) )

[GoGetta]

Originally Posted by garycashin

Ryce Phone Obliteration is fantastic I would reccomend all of gogettas stuff is great

Thanks Gary, thats awesome, I am glad you have found my products helpful!

Originally Posted by Ryce

GoGuetta has a product where probably the concept is detailed

No affiliation here Phone Obliteration

Anyone tried?

Guetta has been so helpful here that I think its probably worth a test

A great weekend to all!!!

Hi Ryce,

Thanks for that, Phone Obliteration is focused on the contacting business owners over the phone pitching our online marketing services. Although not linked to the rent a site model at all it would help with contacting biz owners over the phone if thats an area you need help in!

Originally Posted by ildarius

Gogetta

Great advice, my head is spinning with ideas now!

Like some mentioned here, some keywords are trickier than others, for example it's hard to rank for "montreal renovation" for example, but that's a very tought market where local PPC bids start at 1$ a click!

One question:

Do you talk about projected R.O.I? Tell them about the amount of searches and potential conversion rates? Do you think they would still keep the service around if it
was not bringing in money?

BTW for my friend's local business I run ppc ads elita-construction.com and he is EXTREMELY happy with the outcome, 5% of visitors leave their contact details (conversion rate was 0% when I used the classic IM One-long-Sales-Page Design, so some people prefer flashy pages (literally in this case) )

ildarius,

Good question,

As far as ROI, you can't really guarantee a conversion as such as it is something in essence we cannot control and if you do guarantee it, the second the biz owner doesn't get it, they will be on the phone asking why?

Obviosuly searches change and in essence the whole search engine market changees all the time so you cannot really guarantee anything.

Although, if you have a visible site and you show the biz owner this and you also have proof of searches then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what might happen if his/her biz details are there. I just point that out clearly and the site, positioning and demand sells it self!

HTH

GoGetta

[Best Affiliate]

Originally Posted by GoGetta

Hi Sharpee,

Yes you touch on a great point and a further benefit of the rent a site model, give them content control of there site! The beauty is, once the client has control of a site he is renting, you can bet your bottom dollar they will never ever give it up! ; ) Money month after month after month!

GoGetta

I think this would be fine but keep in mind when you give them control of the content and they start messing with it its going to mess up rankings. SEO companies never give their clients control to change their content for this reason. But I must say this is probably the most interesting thread Ive read since being a member here. Great ideas. Im going to do my own research tomorrow.

[sharpee]

Previous posts have talked about telling potential clients about the search volume for specific keyword phrases but for many 'niche local keywords' there is not enough volume to see how many searches. Any tips or free alternatives to the Google Adwords Keyword Tool, to help with doing the research?

[GoGetta]

Sharpee,

I don't have any other alternatives as such, but I have ranked sites for keywords that showed no searches but in turn generated enquiries and traffic for those terms. So I also think in the customers shoes.

What would someone likely type in if they needed a ......... in ................ Common sense will uncover some gems that show no searches in GoogleKeywordTool. I don't think the GKT is accurate at all but when there are searches there it does add to the sales process when speaking to a potential client for sure so I use it when I can.

You can also search for certain keywords and if there are PPC ads in volume, you can pretty much say that keyword is worth ranking for!

Doesn't answer your initial question as such but gives you a few ideas I hope!

GoGetta

[sharpee]

Originally Posted by GoGetta

Sharpee,

I don't have any other alternatives as such, but I have ranked sites for keywords that showed no searches but in turn generated enquiries and traffic for those terms. So I also think in the customers shoes.

What would someone likely type in if they needed a ......... in ................ Common sense will uncover some gems that show no searches in GoogleKeywordTool. I don't think the GKT is accurate at all but when there are searches there it does add to the sales process when speaking to a potential client for sure so I use it when I can.

You can also search for certain keywords and if there are PPC ads in volume, you can pretty much say that keyword is worth ranking for!

Doesn't answer your initial question as such but gives you a few ideas I hope!

GoGetta

Thanks for that common sense advice GoGetta! Really appreciate all your great posts here on this topic. I'm always worried that I'm missing out on some tool that provides even deeper & better keyword results!

Just registering my first couple of domain names for this 'Rent A Site' strategy, so should have them indexed by Google later in the week.

[GoGetta]

Good Stuff! Take action and reap the rewards!

Ever since I started my offline biz I have used common sense with a lot of clients when it comes to searches and it has proved great on every occasion!

GoGetta

[BigSkeeze]

in reference to offering the site to a handful of competing businesses...i thought i saw somewhere on the forum a draft salesletter to use if you choose to email/snail mail potential clients to rent the site and it mentioned that the same letter was being distributed to other businesses in order to drive action to commit to the renting of the site....anyone know where i can find this? thanks

[jr1228]

What about email addresses? Do you rent an associated email address out as well?

[sharpee]

Originally Posted by jr1228

What about email addresses? Do you rent an associated email address out as well?

I think I'm going to keep it simple and just include a forwarding facility so they can use a decent email address like builderbob at MyTownBuilders.com but not offer POP3 full email hosting. Giving them a professional email address also helps to 'tie' them to using your services long term.

[Eric Stanley]

My two 'beta' sites are ranked #1 for both keywords. Just have to lease them now!

[Voasi]

My two 'beta' sites are ranked #1 for both keywords. Just have to lease them now!

Keep us posted on how it goes on gaining clients with this model. I'm very interested to see how it works for you. I've got one site I'm giving this a go with as a "proof of concept" and if it goes well, then I'll scale.

[Best Affiliate]

Would you guys be willing to give me some advice on how to make these sites that you're producing? Wordpress? Im not good at the whole process ive only used free tools that require zero skills etc. Anyone suggest any tutorials for me to look at? I have a good knowledge of SEO (enough to be able to optimize local business sites) and theres a ton of business here. Thanks

[Webthings]

Originally Posted by dndoseller

After I read this post I did this in the past four days:

1. Bought CityStateProfession.com (eg RidgewoodNJTherapist.com)
2. Installed wordpress, free theme, wikipedia content, 5 sample pages, really nice original logo - the site looks really nice compared to many others for the same area/profession.
3. Blogged about the site from 5 of my junk blogs - got it indexed in Google
4. Found 20 professionals in the town listed in the yellow pages WITHOUT a website.
5. Sent them a letter (today) telling them about the site, whats great about the domain name, and that they can rent it for $137 mo or buy for $957.

Now I will wait and see what happens. If I get a customer I will do this over and over forever LOL.

Its 4/22, check with me on PM after 5/6 to see what happens. I am not going to do anything else with this except wait and see for two weeks.

Update 5/19: I used the online yellow pages for my letters - a mistake - 1/2 got sent back because the addresses were out of date. I need to redo this with the real latest phone book yellow pages. No inquiries otherwise. btw the way the site is here (and for sale - lol)

Dan

Hi Dan,

I like the site, it looks good but I have two questions, both about the Wikipedia content:

1) If using Wikipedia content, aren't you supposed to give them credit for it?

2) Doesn't using generic content (I searched on a sentence from your homepage, delimited by double-quotes, and got 316 hits) negatively affect your SERPS?

Sorry to see it's not rented out yet BTW...

Andrew

[Liz Micik]

Originally Posted by Eric Stanley

Is there a lease/rent legal agreement for virtual property (for this model -- concerning domain ownership) floating around somewhere out there?

That's an excellent question. Have you found one yet, or does anyone have one to share?
Thanks in advance if you do...

[Webthings]

Originally Posted by GoGetta

As far as ROI, you can't really guarantee a conversion as such as it is something in essence we cannot control and if you do guarantee it, the second the biz owner doesn't get it, they will be on the phone asking why?

Obviosuly searches change and in essence the whole search engine market changees all the time so you cannot really guarantee anything.

GoGetta

Jamie,

Is it not also fair to say that the SERPS ranking will be influenced by the website content, and therefore when the 'tenant' changes the content to suit themselves the ranking will inevitably change too (hence the possibility of a SEO upsell)?

Andrew

[Webthings]

I was just thinking about the domain names and noticed that most, if not all, of the examples are of the format LocationNiche.com (e.g. DallasBuilder.com) rather than the other way round as NicheLocation.com (e.g. BuilderDallas.com).

Given that when searching I generally type what I am looking for, followed by where it is (so the opposite way round from the domain names I have seen - e.g. "builder in dallas" or similar) ...is there a particular reason for the Location+Niche order that most people seem to be using that relates to SEO, and that I'm missing?

Andrew

[GoGetta]

Andrew,

In answer to your questions.

Firstly, yes content is important. What I do is alter the content around my client while incorporating keyword rich content. It is easy enough and for the majority of niches, won't really affect rankings. I always explain how SEO works to my clients first.

As far as the domain name builderdallas or dallasbuilder, they are both powerful and you will find it ranks similar which ever way it is typed in regardless of the one you own!

Hope that answers your questions!

GoGetta

[Eric Stanley]

Originally Posted by Webthings

I was just thinking about the domain names and noticed that most, if not all, of the examples are of the format LocationNiche.com (e.g. DallasBuilder.com) rather than the other way round as NicheLocation.com (e.g. BuilderDallas.com).

Given that when searching I generally type what I am looking for, followed by where it is (so the opposite way round from the domain names I have seen - e.g. "builder in dallas" or similar) ...is there a particular reason for the Location+Niche order that most people seem to be using that relates to SEO, and that I'm missing?

Andrew

This is because most people believe that google ranks in terms of LSI, where semantics are crucial. But this has proved to be false in the serps.

[virtuallywork]

That is a great deal of information.

Copying competitor is what it boils down to ?

Are there any consequences--legally?

[SusanneUK]

Originally Posted by Best Affiliate

Would you guys be willing to give me some advice on how to make these sites that you're producing? Wordpress? Im not good at the whole process ive only used free tools that require zero skills etc. Anyone suggest any tutorials for me to look at? I have a good knowledge of SEO (enough to be able to optimize local business sites) and theres a ton of business here. Thanks

I'm using Wordpress for my sites and I build my own theme for each one, so that they are hopefully unique.

I can probably help you in learning how to use Wordpres ('probably' as in, finding some time for you, not anything else), so pm me if you want to discuss it further.

Good luck
Sue

[SusanneUK]

Originally Posted by Webthings

Jamie,

Is it not also fair to say that the SERPS ranking will be influenced by the website content, and therefore when the 'tenant' changes the content to suit themselves the ranking will inevitably change too (hence the possibility of a SEO upsell)?

Andrew

Hi Andrew, (nice to talk to you over here as well as LBB )

For my own model I am choosing to keep control of that element BUT I did not want to fall into the trap of having too much work and not enough time nor pay.

So I opted for two rental site packages (like Jamie suggested) BUT ALSO added to my model that they can also pick from any "Add-on" services, either straight away or at any time in the future, so basically, if they want new things put in (video, more images, content, etc etc) they pay for those things, one at a time and then I do it for them. This keeps control for me (so they don't mess up SEO) and it breaks the pricing down for them into easily managable slices, of course they can pick everything all at once if they choose too

Sue

[SusanneUK]

Originally Posted by virtuallywork

That is a great deal of information.

Copying competitor is what it boils down to ?

Are there any consequences--legally?

Not too sure what you are referring to here? Who is copying what competitor? Perhaps you could clarify your post as I think I have it all wrong LOL

Sue

[Paul Davidson]

Hi Guys,

I have been following this thread lately as i had decided to put some of my new limited SEO skills to some use for local companies. (i will be retaining the domain and renting out an optimised site, in fact i may even build 2 or 3 for the best keywords and try to rent them all 3!)

I was wondering if you guys could offer some advise with the local business google maps section that is at the top of google page for most local searches.

I was given an important tip which may help a few of you guys....I was advised that local links helps the position of these which is very important as only the top 10 are shown on the front page.

But now and again there are a few individual websites above the google business maps results!

Any general advise on local SEO techniques would be very much appreciated also any tips on how to improve the local business google maps results would be great plus..................how did a few individual websites place above the local google maps results??

Great Thread, Great tips and advise!

many thanks

Paul

[sharpee]

Originally Posted by Paul Davidson

Hi Guys,

I have been following this thread lately as i had decided to put some of my new limited SEO skills to some use for local companies. (i will be retaining the domain and renting out an optimised site, in fact i may even build 2 or 3 for the best keywords and try to rent them all 3!)

I was wondering if you guys could offer some advise with the local business google maps section that is at the top of google page for most local searches.

I was given an important tip which may help a few of you guys....I was advised that local links helps the position of these which is very important as only the top 10 are shown on the front page.

But now and again there are a few individual websites above the google business maps results!

Any general advise on local SEO techniques would be very much appreciated also any tips on how to improve the local business google maps results would be great plus..................how did a few individual websites place above the local google maps results??

Great Thread, Great tips and advise!

many thanks

Paul

Hi Paul

I have found this blog post below very useful but I can't post links yet, so just Google:
local search ranking factors
and the first result, davidmihm blog gives some great factors to consider when trying to rate well with Google Local.

Hope this helps

[Paul Davidson]

Hey Sharpee,

You are the man!

This is an awesome find!

I have only just scratched the surface, but there is load of fantastic information from people who specialise in this stuff!!

Well done on finding this, and thank you so much for sharing.

Hopefully this will help fill the considerable gaps on my local SEO knowledge!

Paul

[SusanneUK]

Originally Posted by sharpee

Hi Paul

I have found this blog post below very useful but I can't post links yet, so just Google:
local search ranking factors
and the first result, davidmihm blog gives some great factors to consider when trying to rate well with Google Local.

Hope this helps

Well I can..

Local Search Ranking Factors | Google & Yahoo Local SEO Best Practices

Thanks for letting us know about it Sharpee

Sue