Hey Flippers... Gotta A Question For YOUSE.

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

Au contrairre, my friend... as I said before, you're perfectly welcome to disagree with me, or attempt to set me straight, but you have no right to insult yet you do... and it's unmistakeable. So, get your head on straight and stick to the topic rather than insulting the person.

Thomas, it's really simple... check out the "Thank You" count before you "jump to conclusions" about the quality of my posts. It makes you look foolish and rude for calling me foolish and rude. Like I said, you don't have to like what I say, or even agree with it, but you've no right to be so arrogant and insulting. I've not been that way towards you in spite of your dishing it.

lol thank you, Thomas. I do appreciate a good challenge. My experienced opinion when people come in wanting to make $3000 in the next month is that if people were willing to publicly share such secrets for free, that $3k would turn into a trickle very fast.

Besides, our mini-thread here started out after you started playing sophmoric question games with someone who simply said that "flipping was short-term thinking" and I concurred with her based on your reply that suggested flipping was a means to an end.

For, in that case, there are plenty of other more efficient means to those ends than flipping.

Now, if you're going to do it like Kate, for the branding and long-term, that's another story. But that's not what you said when you attemping to refute the suggestion by "incomespace"...

That's all, my friend. Please, no more insults (except in private )

Best wishes,
Eric

First, I am not your friend. I could care less of how many thanks you got. It means nothing just like post counts.


I am doing this for my own reasons. You are jumping to conclusions and I found your post telling me you will give me money instead of watching me flip was very rude. You know nothing about me, my business nor what I am trying to accomplish. That wasn't sticking to the topic but insinuating what my needs are which was a bogus assumption on your part. In fact just a way to put me down while trying to make yourself look cool.


I doubt you have much experience in anything you are talking about. In fact, most of your posts are just regurgitations of what others have said in previous posts.


Of course you will talk crap about better ways to making money than flipping sites but than say you can't tell. Yeah right. The ole fake it until you make it bit gets really old.


I am not interested in posting much on this forum because of idiots like you.

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

First, I am not your friend. I could care less of how many thanks you got. It means nothing just like post counts.

You're awfully sensitive, Thomas. That can't be good for the blood pressure. But, that being said, "friend" is a term of endearment. I still see you as a potential friend:

He drew a circle around himself in order to keep me out. I drew a circle around us both in order to keep him in.

Ain't up to you whether or not I continue to treat you as a friend. Anyways... moving on...

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I am doing this for my own reasons.

I believe you. But this all stemmed from your response to someone else... not about your own private reasons that you didn't share. I can only go by what you say.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

You are jumping to conclusions and I found your post telling me you will give me money instead of watching me flip was very rude.

Oh, alright, I didn't realize you were so sensitive. I was just trying to make a point that I would rather help you financially than watch you waste so much time doing what could be done more quickly and efficiently at least a dozen other ways. I thought you valued your time.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

You know nothing about me, my business nor what I am trying to accomplish. That wasn't sticking to the topic but insinuating what my needs are which was a bogus assumption on your part. In fact just a way to put me down while trying to make yourself look cool.

Noooo, no, I'm sorry I gave you that impression, but it's just the opposite. I don't need to put you down in order to look cool. I already am cool. But, so are you. I never questioned your coolness or insulted you. I just shared my thoughts on your refutation of someone's statement.

After all, this is a DISCUSSION forum.

We're just discussing... well, ideally... I know I am.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I doubt you have much experience in anything you are talking about. In fact, most of your posts are just regurgitations of what others have said in previous posts.

Ok, since you saw fit to go there, I feel free to say that what you just said demonstrates a profound disconnect that those with a modicum of success have with newbies. Newbies NEED things to be restated, rehashed, regurgitated, reconsituted... and some people, such as myself, have different styles of stating things and some are more effective than others.

Why is that a bad thing? In reality, I am just inviting people to share and ponder and then answering questions, or challenging assumptions, as they arise. I can't make people ask questions on high-level marketing.. and it would be a travesty to attempt so for people who aren't ready for it.

In any case, my friend, I prefer to leave it up to each individual to decide about the quality of my posts for him or herself. Notice, I don't attack the quality of your other posts even though you don't have many thanks for them.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Of course you will talk crap about better ways to making money than flipping sites but than say you can't tell. Yeah right. The ole fake it until you make it bit gets really old.

Ok, well, why don't you take your own medicen, then, and share with us all your precious secrets for site-flipping. Then I'll share a precious secret or two with you.

Come on, brother, I'm in... I'm good to go... but, you first.... what have you got in that site-flippin bag of yours?

Your friend,
Eric

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

Come on, brother, I'm in... I'm good to go... but, you first.... what have you got in that site-flippin bag of yours?

Your friend,
Eric

Keep trying to twist my comments BizBoost.

I am not overly sensitive, just tired of people coming here and pretending to know more than they do.

I never said I was an expert at flipping sites. I simply said it can be used to raise money for other projects. Not a short term solution imo but a long term solution as long as you are using the revenue to feed other projects to build up income streams.

Flipping sites can be an additional revenue stream for any business. It can be a cashcow to fund other projects until they become a cashcow. I never said you had to stop flipping sites once those others projects have taken off. Again you assumed that which is again incorrect.

This business is just like any other business. The company that manages their cashflow the best will be the most profitable.

You are the one that stated there are better options to raise money for other projects. I just said to post those because a lot of people would benefit.

Now you are trying to call me out. lol

Look, it is obvious you don't know any better ways to making fast money than site flipping. Otherwise you would be posting them instead of trying to redirect it towards me.

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Keep trying to twist my comments BizBoost.

I am not overly sensitive, just tired of people coming here and pretending to know more than they do.

Really? It's that widespread that you have to insult people and call them names? Maybe you're just a little too stressed out because nothing said in this thread warrants such behavior.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I never said I was an expert at flipping sites. I simply said it can be used to raise money for other projects. Not a short term solution imo but a long term solution as long as you are using the revenue to feed other projects to build up income streams.

Flipping sites can be an additional revenue stream for any business. It can be a cashcow to fund other projects until they become a cashcow. I never said you had to stop flipping sites once those others projects have taken off. Again you assumed that which is again incorrect.

I assumed nothing. I saw you attempt to refute "incomespace"'s statement, "flipping is short term thinking" with not statements of experience and wisdom, but academic sophmoristry.

Even what you just said above would ring true for a newbie because it's ACADEMIC... it makes perfect sense on paper, or, in theory, but it is, as incomespace suggested short-term thinking UNLESS it is your main service... which it was not for you.

This is not about you and me. It was about your response to IncomeSpace which I addressed. Now you're trying to turn it into a showdown.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

This business is just like any other business. The company that manages their cashflow the best will be the most profitable.

Academic.... makes perfect sense on paper.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

You are the one that stated there are better options to raise money for other projects. I just said to post those because a lot of people would benefit.

Now you are trying to call me out. lol

You were the first to call anyone out telling me to prove I knew better ways. I agreed as long as you shared something of your personal strategy first. Because I can say, "Ebay", "Craigslist", "YouTube", "Advanced Forum Marketing", which are STRATEGIES... not tactics. While most people KNOW these strategies, they don't all have the same understanding of tactics.

So, share some of your site flipping TACTICS that make site-flipping such an awesome way to earn money to fund other projects, and I'll share some of mine in other realms and we'll see which is quicker and less costly in terms of time, effort and cashola.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Look, it is obvious you don't know any better ways to making fast money than site flipping. Otherwise you would be posting them instead of trying to redirect it towards me.

The only thing obvious here is that when I sincerely questioned one of your replies, you resorted to insults. Now, if you want me to share some of my tactics so freely, then you'll have to pony up first so we're on even footing.

If you don't, I'll just assume you're the one who doesn't know better options to raise money more quickly or efficiently than flipping sites... and we can let it go at that.

Best wishes,
Eric

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

Academic.... makes perfect sense on paper.



Best wishes,
Eric

Now I know you don't know what you are talking about after you made that statement regarding cashflow. That is unless you are not serious about business and this is just a hobby.

Reread what you wrote to me. You didn't make it a refute you made it personal when you said I will give you money so you won't have to flip websites. That is insulting as if I need your money.

There is nothing sincere about you my friend. I am sorry you thought my comments were insults. Like you, I was making sincere observations.

For the rest, no point in continuing the argument. I know you won't post anything of use in this thread. You keep trying to deflect by telling me to post. I never made any comments regarding better ways of making fast cash on the internet. You did.

Like I said, you are just talking out of your ass.

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

Then they could come up with faster, more creative ways of raising such money. The woman is right... why don't you just tell us how much you need for your bigger project and maybe we'll give it to you just to save you the agony of having to flip all those sites as a mere "stepping stone" to your internet marketing heaven.

Eric

This isn't suppose to be demeaning nor insulting? You wouldn't have the type of money that is required to invest in my projects.

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

This isn't suppose to be demeaning nor insulting? You wouldn't have the type of money that is required to invest in my projects.

Gosh, Thomas, I sincerely apologize. You really and truly did not strike me as the sensitive type with all the insults I've seen you toss around in such a knee-jerk fashion. But, maybe that's actually a sign of being sensitive.

So, I apologize. I meant that comment purely as "tongue-in-cheek" to clearly illustrate my position that site-flipping was an extremely inefficient short-term solution. But, as the woman earlier said, site-flipping IS (generally) short-term thinking with exceptions such as Kate, but you weren't one of those exceptions so a debate ensued.

Alright, my apologies again... can we start over (I didn't take your insults personally)?

Eric

[dclozen]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I am going to test out a few flips based on some ideas I have.

I did want some input from people that have flipped a few. Mainly if you found flipping a blog style website more lucrative compared to a sales page type of website.

It will be selling a particular product but with the blog I could add more adsense, clickbank items and so on...

I just wanted feedback if the blog approach with many profit streams would sell for more than a sales page with one product or package for sale.

Why not try setting up a multi page web site that's both a blog and marketplace that way you would have the best of both worlds. Both
blog for keyword insertion and trafficking and market place for income.


Tanks!

Why not try setting up a multi page web site that's both a blog and marketplace that way you would have the best of both worlds. Both
blog for keyword insertion and trafficking and market place for income.

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

Gosh, Thomas, I sincerely apologize. You really and truly did not strike me as the sensitive type with all the insults I've seen you toss around in such a knee-jerk fashion. But, maybe that's actually a sign of being sensitive.

So, I apologize. I meant that comment purely as "tongue-in-cheek" to clearly illustrate my position that site-flipping was an extremely inefficient short-term solution. But, as the woman earlier said, site-flipping IS (generally) short-term thinking with exceptions such as Kate, but you weren't one of those exceptions so a debate ensued.

Alright, my apologies again... can we start over (I didn't take your insults personally)?

Eric

There is nothing to start over. Now I am sensitive eh? lol


Basically you are the type of poster that gets under my skin the most. Something I need to stop because it simply isn't worth it. You twist everything posted into something that just isn't the truth.


I am not any exception to site flipping since I am doing it for a case study on a project. I already stated this before you even posted. Instead, you try to twist and make it sound like I am hurting for money.


I have seen you do this many times on this forum. Twisting comments is like a hobby for you. Maybe it is something you get off on or a reading comprehension disability. It mainly screws up the whole thread like you did in this one.


Listen, I do have a lot of customers on this forum. The last thing I need is some person insinuating things like me needing money, especially when it is false. It doesn't put a lot of faith into my customers in what I am selling and supporting.


So when are you going to throw me the 50k I am going to use to finish up my current project to avoid selling my sites?

BTW, that was the worst apology I have ever heard. Sorry but I cannot accept it as it was written.

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

There is nothing to start over. Now I am sensitive eh? lol


Basically you are the type of poster that gets under my skin the most. Something I need to stop because it simply isn't worth it. You twist everything posted into something that just isn't the truth.

Hi, my friend.

There's something you should know. A while back, I made a simple, friendly joke regarding a respected marketer who, benignly, and without evil intent, made an erroneous post. You referred to me as "boneheaded"... from then on, you were on the "to be needled" list.

It just so happens this thread's topic was legitimate and of interest to me.

But, that being said, consider the debt paid.

Best wishes on flipping $50k worth of sites,
Eric

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

Hi, my friend.

There's something you should know. A while back, I made a simple, friendly joke regarding a respected marketer who, benignly, and without evil intent, made an erroneous post. You referred to me as "boneheaded"... from then on, you were on the "to be needled" list.

Consider the debt paid.

Best wishes on flipping $50k worth of sites,
Eric

That is what I thought. I had a feeling this was intentional. Funny that I didn't even remember it but you haven't forgotten. lol

No need to flip 50k worth of websites since I already have it. Keep twisting things around and I still think you are a bonehead. I didn't realize you were so sensitive and needed revenge after reading all of your funny jokes.

Keep needling away.

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Keep twisting things around and I still think you are a bonehead. I didn't realize you were so sensitive and needed revenge after reading all of your funny jokes. Keep needling away.

No, really, Thomas, it's ok. It's over. Your debt is paid. You can rest now.

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

No, really, Thomas, it's ok. It's over. Your debt is paid. You can rest now.

Yes, I see you are busy arguing and insulting others in the review section. lol

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Yes, I see you are busy arguing with others in the review section. lol

Yes, it started when someone, with good intentions, tried to repay a debt of gratitude with some FREE ADVERTISING for that person in the main section.

Since we members moderate, I expressed concern that if we were all allowed to do that, then people could easily exploit/game it. As you well know by now, not all intellects were created equally and a few white knights came out of the woodwork to manufacture a fairy tale with "big, mean dragon" and a damsel-in-distress.

As a result, they all fell on their swords and the post was moved to a more appropriate section.

Glad to see you've got time to waste stalking me. Must mean you're doing well?

Best wishes,
Eric

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

Yes, it started when someone, with good intentions, tried to repay a debt of gratitude with some FREE ADVERTISING for that person in the main section.

Since we members moderate, I expressed concern that if we were all allowed to do that, then people could easily exploit/game it. As you well know by now, not all intellects were created equally and a few white knights came out of the woodwork to manufacture a fairy tale with "big, mean dragon" and a damsel-in-distress.

As a result, they all fell on their swords and the post was moved to a more appropriate section.

Glad to see you've got time to waste stalking me. Must mean you're doing well?

Best wishes,
Eric

I am doing great, thanks for asking. No not cyber stalking but then again that is you trying to make things up. I had someone pm me expressing how much of a bonehead you are and pointed me to that thread.

Your posts suggest that you are losing the intellect battle.

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I am doing great, thanks for asking. No not cyber stalking but then again that is you trying to make things up. I had someone pm me expressing how much of a bonehead you are and pointed me to that thread.

Your posts suggest that you are losing the intellect battle.

I believe you were PM'd from Yikes who didn't even read the whole thread which resulted in a false accusation. Anyone with an eye for detail and secure emotions can go find out for themselves.

Anyways, as far as the intellect battle... was there a battle? If so, I give you the win... you're amazing. Thanks for the lesson.

Eric

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by BizBoost

I believe you were PM'd from Yikes who didn't even read the whole thread which resulted in a false accusation. Anyone with an eye for detail and secure emotions can go find out for themselves.

Anyways, as far as the intellect battle... was there a battle? If so, I give you the win... you're amazing. Thanks for the lesson.

Eric

Actually, there have been a few more pm's.

I was speaking in regards to your intellect dig on Yikes. You sure are insulting a lot of people tonight.

I guess that means you are not secure with your emotions.

[BizBoost]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Actually, there have been a few more pm's.

You have a gossip circle. I'm envious.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I was speaking in regards to your intellect dig on Yikes. You sure are insulting a lot of people tonight.

I guess you can't please everyone.

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I guess that means you are not secure with your emotions.

I guess not. You win again. Thanks.

Eric

[Paul Coleman]

This thread brings up questions about Site Flipping as a solid Business Model. I would say this is a pretty important subject. There's a thread at Sitepoint that discusses this:

Starting Siteflipping Company Requires Help - SitePoint Forums

Great discussion there and more here:

siteflipu.com Sold

I think if people focus just on the flips themselves, then Flipping is probably not a good business model. On the other hand, Flipping can be just the beginning of a much larger business. As Kate said, building the email list, offering more services to the list, selling directly to them, etc.

Anyway, interesting stuff. I think Flipping is the type of activity that brings new people into the online moneymaking world. I see it as a good starting point.

Paul

[SuiteJ]

Originally Posted by Kate Anderson

Don't just copy what everyone else is doing.. try something new (new blog theme, new layout, new way of presenting your offer, new everything).

The problem isn't in lack of demand, or saturation in the marketplace of high quality products, it's in saturation of a 'monkey see, monkey do' routine. People see someone sell and they copy their model, rather than "base it off of a successful format", they outright copy it.
.

You certainly nailed that one on the head, Kate. I remember at around the same time people started duplicating your sites (or trying!), they were also copying my blogs and jacking my sales pages (I don't mind borrowing, but copy and pasting the whole thing is a tad annoying lol)

Actually, didn't we rant about that once. lol

Anyway, you're totally right. Focus on quality sites that are unique to you and you will find you'll build a reputation that creates a following of repeat buyers and a solid foundation you can rely on.

Flippng sites FAST is great, but CRAP doesn't sell. At least it doesn't anymore. lol.

Cheers
Jay