Some Very Interesting Opt In Stats...Positive In...Negative Out

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I know a lot of marketers are interested in other marketers stats. Well, I
hope that what I'm about to share with you today will give you some insight
into what makes a successful list building campaign and what makes a flop.

I will be sharing both with you today.

And yes, I have learned quite a bit about my own campaigns. I have no
problem letting people see the ugly side of them.

Let's begin.

What I'm going to do is briefly go over what each opt in is for, how it's
presented and what the opt in rate is. Each squeeze page has the same
design so that won't be a major factor in the different opt in rates.

The major factors will be...

1. The actual topic.
2. How it's pitched.

4 Steps

This opt ins is 4 steps to building a successful business from scratch for
free. I would say that's quite a positive pitch and something people who
are interested in starting a business would be interested in.

Opt in rate - 45.6%

Niche Marketing

This is a free report to teach people how to do keyword research, etc.

Again, something I would think a lot of people would be quite interested in.

Opt in rate - 50.5%

Why You Can't Make Money Online

Now, you notice the negative tone of this right off the bat. I'm going to
tell people why they can't make money online doing what they're doing.

At the time I created this opt in, one of my first ones, I thought this was
something people would want to know.

Opt in rate - 14%

Notice the incredible drop off. So, even though this report gets me tons of
opt ins because of all the articles I have out there pointing to it, the opt
in is horrible. Please make a mental note of this.

Real Truth

This is another tell all report of the real truth about making money online.

Again, I thought people would be all over this, but again...the negative
tone.

Opt in rate - 10.6%

Blowing The Lid Off The Lies

This is another tell all, reveal all, expose all the scams online. Again, I
thought people would be all over this.

Opt in rate - 14%

These are pretty much my main lists, though I do have many more.

But...this is what I have discovered.

The lists that come at the prospect from a totally positive approach are
the ones that convert the best.

The ones where I'm revealing all the dirt and bad stuff that goes on, even
though it's probably just as important, doesn't go over as well.

Naturally, you need to do your own testing, but after 6 plus years of doing
this, I'd have to say that the negative approach just doesn't work as well.

You can be as well meaning as you want and try to warn people about
all the dangers that are out there as you can.

But the bottom line, that I have found, is that people don't want bad
news. They don't want to know what's wrong.

They just want to know what to do right.

Positive, positive, positive.

I've seen enough to know that I've run my last negative opt in campaign.

As I said, test this for yourself as results may vary.

Anyway, hope this helps somebody.
#innegative #interesting #opt #statspositive
  • Profile picture of the author Jani
    Hi Steve --

    Same with copy - always keep it upbeat and positive.

    Michael Fortincalls them tragic words:

    "tragic words are: Buy, purchase, obligation, failure, bad, sell, loss, liability, difficult, wrong, decision, deal, hard, death, order, fail, cost, worry, and contract. Essentially, avoid negative words or words that could potentially negate the positive effect (and the effectiveness) of your benefits."

    Imagine talking about death in your sales letter ...
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    • Profile picture of the author JoMo
      I am about to start an article campaign for my product site. This is very good information. Thank you Steven.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    thanks for the insight.. those are some serious eye-opening stats.

    I've recently started bumping heads with a few fraudulant affiliates running ppc. So I added stuff to my page trying to educate my visitors to the various frauds that are out there.

    I should have known better then to introduce a negative vibe in any way. My conversions/sales have dropped quite a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Thanks Steve....I guess its hard to argue with long term stats like that.

    But I do have a question:

    If 'negative' seems to be substantially less effective with squeeze pages, then how have some pretty famous squeeze pages like The Death Of Adsense" and "The Death of The Salesletter" done so well?

    I'm just asking, is it possible there are other things at work?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      Thanks Steve....I guess its hard to argue with long term stats like that.

      But I do have a question:

      If 'negative' seems to be substantially less effective with squeeze pages, then how have some pretty famous squeeze pages like The Death Of Adsense" and "The Death of The Salesletter" done so well?

      I'm just asking, is it possible there are other things at work?
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      Bruce, if I had the answer to that, I'd run for guru.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    Interesting, thanks for posting Steve, definitely will keep this in mind next time I pitch a free offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author YiKeS
      G`day Steven,

      heck ... ironic so many push the "play on people`s fear" to
      boost sales ... or is it? In regards to "Death Of *blah blah*"
      products ... would they do so well without so many shee ..
      ahem ... affiliates pushing them?

      We`re all doomed ... :rolleyes: .. lol


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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
        I actually learned the same kind of lesson firsthand with articles - my views and clickthrough percentage were both notably higher with positive titles than with negative ones. I did a couple of experiments with it and got the same results everytime.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Steven,

        I could have predicted that the positive stuff would convert better. Basic human psychology. Folks that look for optimism and opportunity are going to be more prone to do things to make those happen.

        I'm not sure if the stats about opt-in rates are necessarily representative of anything, though. A lot depends on what was in the article itself, the author's credit, the offer on the page, the copy, the structure of the page, the way the confirmation process (if any) is organized, and probably other stuff that I'm not thinking of.

        You really have to look at the whole picture to get an idea.


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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Steven,

          I could have predicted that the positive stuff would convert better. Basic human psychology. Folks that look for optimism and opportunity are going to be more prone to do things to make those happen.

          I'm not sure if the stats about opt-in rates are necessarily representative of anything, though. A lot depends on what was in the article itself, the author's credit, the offer on the page, the copy, the structure of the page, the way the confirmation process (if any) is organized, and probably other stuff that I'm not thinking of.

          You really have to look at the whole picture to get an idea.


          Paul
          Paul,

          I'd be *very* interested in your opinion (gut reaction)
          to this scenario...it's quite timely for me.

          Would the following headline/message be construed
          as positive or negative?

          "Freedom from the pain of xyz..."

          At first glance, it seems positive, but does the word
          'pain' add a psychological barrier to the message?

          i.e. Does it reinforce the 'pain'...or would the visitor's
          focus be on the 'freedom to do more stuff' aspect....?

          I think maybe the answer is:

          1. Steve, you're over-analysing, and
          2. Test and measure.

          Even so...your thoughts would be appreciated



          Best wishes,
          Steve

          P.S. Waggers, sorry for the hijack.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

            P.S. Waggers, sorry for the hijack.
            No need to apologize. Everything added to this thread only makes it more
            valuable as a discussion piece. You brought up a good example that I
            hadn't thought of and as Paul demonstrated with his aspirin example.

            I guess it's how you present that pain that makes the difference. Certainly
            all those aspirin commercials of people holding their heads and looking
            miserable are far from positive...yet they work because of the way they're
            presented.

            So maybe my "negative" opt in campaigns would have performed better if
            I put a different spin on them.

            It's certainly worth looking at.
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  • Profile picture of the author gm0rip
    Another gem to add to my education thanks Steven.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Steve,
      i.e. Does it reinforce the 'pain'...or would the visitor's focus be on the 'freedom to do more stuff' aspect....?
      Depends on how you word it.

      One of the big keys in an 'aspirin sale' is to make the pain of the problem as sharp and present as possible. Then you immediately offer a solution that removes it.

      "Does lower back pain keep you from enjoying your favorite activities? Make it difficult to run, walk, sit or play your favorite sports? Have you had to cut a pleasant evening short to go home and deal with the pain? Are you losing sleep and spending your days exhausted?

      "Why put up with the pain and 'locked in' feeling when, in just 10 minutes a day, for three weeks, you can say goodbye to that searing pain and get back to living the life you want?"


      Remember, what Steven is talking about is a different situation than someone who has an identifiable problem that's actively interfering with their life. Recognizing genuine physical pain isn't a function of attitude, so it's handled differently, and by different rules.

      There is one common factor, and it's important: The 'aspirin sale' and the positive approaches that worked better for him appeal to a desire to achieve some better state of being. The steps to a successful sale: Desire (for change, in this case), belief in possibility, decision to act, and delivery of results.

      There's none of that implicit in the descriptions he gave as being negative, other than the desire part, which was probably for more negative entertainment.


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