Looks like the first real threat to Adsense is about to become a reality...

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Facebook going to get into external ads.

This will put major pressure on the Adsense program.

Prepare yourselves...

Facebook Makes It Official: An External Advertising Network Is Coming Soon - Businessweek
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  • Profile picture of the author CaesarSEO
    Love seeing Google in trouble.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennisknows
      Originally Posted by CaesarSEO View Post

      Love seeing Google in trouble.
      I love it.... Google closed up shop before I could make a few 100k. Lol.

      Lets eat!
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    I doubt if they'll pose a serious threat to Google. They'll get in the game and do numbers, but Google will still be able to sleep at night.
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    • This is good for all the thousands of people banned by Google Adsense without a real reason. They will be all extra happy to join another network, me included

      Thanks so much for this notice, I didn't found it yet around!

      See you soon,
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      • Profile picture of the author Maruelle
        I don't think this is a threat for google
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        They had to do something. The big advertisers lost faith in Facebook's on-site ads awhile back. It's very targeted traffic, but unproductive traffic.

        Originally Posted by Alessandro Zamboni View Post

        This is good for all the thousands of people banned by Google Adsense without a real reason.
        Nobody is banned for no reason.

        People get banned either because of click fraud or because their traffic isn't generating enough money for advertisers.
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    • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
      Originally Posted by Sean T Alexandre View Post

      I doubt if they'll pose a serious threat to Google. They'll get in the game and do numbers, but Google will still be able to sleep at night.
      For a while, but the same people who made Google great will now be able to make Facebook greater - just to spite Google. I think the great army of closed accounts will come back to haunt them (bet they'll send out "come back home" letters soon enough)!

      It's up to Facebook to contend - sooner or later someone will take the spot (the government will take care of that)!
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      • Profile picture of the author daftdog
        Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

        For a while, but the same people who made Google great will now be able to make Facebook greater - just to spite Google. I think the great army of closed accounts will come back to haunt them (bet they'll send out "come back home" letters soon enough)!

        It's up to Facebook to contend - sooner or later someone will take the spot (the government will take care of that)!
        Lets hope so....fed up of the banned accounts for no reason!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    No no, Myspace is too big to be threatened.
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  • Profile picture of the author mervp
    It's a challenge to Google IF Facebook goes about it competently. But from the looks of the Facebook Ads system on their base site, it doesn't seem like they're going to match Adsense in terms of responsiveness or monetized results for webmasters.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
    Hmm, this seems like it may have some potential if Facebook handle this right to launch a potential challenge to Google's dominance but frankly I don't think it will succeed. So far Facebook keep on posting loss after loss every quater whilst Google's profits keep getting better.

    I'm not saying Facebook can't launch a decent challenge to Google here but based on past performance I somehow doubt it, just look at their share price and how much it's crashed since their now infamous launch.

    Joel
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    • Profile picture of the author JonPL
      Although there might be a buzz around this in the beginning I would expect it to take quite a long time before it has any impact on Google.
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      • Profile picture of the author H.Miller
        Originally Posted by JonPL View Post

        Although there might be a buzz around this in the beginning I would expect it to take quite a long time before it has any impact on Google.
        I totally agree. It will take a little time for Facebook to tweak everything and get it to the level of Google Adsense.
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      • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
        Originally Posted by JonPL View Post

        Although there might be a buzz around this in the beginning I would expect it to take quite a long time before it has any impact on Google.
        I am sure Google are monitoring this closely of course as they can't just ignore a Company with as big an audience as Facebook.

        However, I feel the jury is very much out on this one for Facebook to actually prove they have what it takes to challenge Google's dominance in this area. My 2 cents is it won't be a strong challenge but if they really approach this in the right way then of course this has a chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    The reason I don't think FB will overtake Google on this is because FB is obvious with their intentions. They're under pressure from their investors since their IPO to come up with ways to generate more revenue. If anyone does give Google some real competition, I say it'll be an unknown company that no one saw coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author wuser12
    I think it would be great to have another source of revenue. Competition is good for the general public
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Google will be able to sleep good at night for years and decades to come. No one will ever pass them on anything.

    There may be lawsuits here and there for Google, but they will continue to be #1 for a very long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Anytime you take money away from Google, it's a threat. FB won't overtake Google in that area, but anytime you take money away from a giant like that, they feel it
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    Even if this new model doesn't overtake Google, or it's even a big competitor, just the fact that advertisers have another viable option is great news.

    Maybe Google can't be beat but at least they could be ignored.
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    • Profile picture of the author vicdublin
      No doubt, a big competition ahead for the almighty google. would be desperate to see how it unfolds.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Advertisers will try Facebook and if it helps they will use both. They won't dump Google if they are making money with Google. It's not an either/or situation. Also "Likes" don't equate with genuine interest, and certainly not genuine "buying" interest. Plenty of FB people "like" something for a variety of reasons: tricked into it, supporting a friend's post, free something-or-other....how the hell does that equal targeted marketing and how will advertiser's benefit from it? It doesn't and they won't.
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  • Profile picture of the author LegionNate
    I don't know if it's a threat to Google, I'm not worried about that. I just like to see competition. Competition is great for the consumer (in this case, publishers).
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    • Profile picture of the author Efrain Hernandez
      Originally Posted by LegionNate View Post

      I don't know if it's a threat to Google, I'm not worried about that. I just like to see competition. Competition is great for the consumer (in this case, publishers).
      I completely agree. Competition breeds innovation.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMMer1975
    Slightly off topic, but, I've spent money on Google Adwords and Facebook Ads.

    Used Adwords for a number of different businesses for years. For the most part, it's basically keyword driven with minimal demographic targeting.

    So then I tried FB. At first I was impressed...I could target down to a specific interest and age group. Which makes sense...FB has a lot more personalized knowledge of you. So I ran some different ads, using the same text as my Google ads with better targeting.

    For whatever reason, my FB ads never convert. Sure people click 'em and I get a "like" added to my page, but no conversion. The same ad text on google gives me great conversion rates.

    I've tried it with two different businesses and both of them the same result: FB conversion...nil, Google good.

    I'm of the opinion that perhaps there is a lot more of "Pay to click" going on with FB users right now which will explain my poor conversion. Regardless of the reason, I've just stopped advertising on FB. It's far too an expensive a way to get Likes to your page, which is all they've been delivering. Of course, maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I'll stick to Google for the time being.
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    All these years. I thought the same. I thought that adsense one day will come to an end because people will just have millions of blogs with adsense on it. It's time to do something else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
      Lol that'll be the day. Google will not go down because of facebook. I promise

      Originally Posted by eugenedm View Post

      All these years. I thought the same. I thought that adsense one day will come to an end because people will just have millions of blogs with adsense on it. It's time to do something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author emini_guy
    I am rooting for Facebook, anyway.

    Google's near-monopoly is not good. I wish they had some competitor in the search engine field, but that's only wishful-thinking at this point. But I like the way Bing is improving and, who knows, a few years down the road Bing may be more powerful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
      My thought on this is that Google is it's own worst enemy. You have to admit that Google shot itself in the foot concerning Adwords and Adsense. Forbes,About.com and Wikipedia I do not think run adsense ads.

      Besides their search results are really messed up.

      I was doing some keyword generation on finance terms the other day and the Google API was spitting out Car and Movie keywords and phrases. I only did this at the request of a friend.

      I don't worry about Google anymore. I am through with them and their fixed game on organics
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      • Profile picture of the author emini_guy
        Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post


        Besides their search results are really messed up.
        Good point and I have been saying so for a while. I am glad more people are starting to realize that. I think that their obsession with upgrades for the sake of upgrades is finally showing as a prescription for a total mess-up, but it may take a while for them to admit or even realize that.

        I even recommend to people to rely more on Bing and I hope they will keep gaining the market share as any REAL competition to Google in this area is good.
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      • Profile picture of the author jerryp
        Anything that makes business competitive is a good thing. Google has a near monopoly and their Panda/Penguin updates showed that they can do anything they want and get away with it. The FTC is right now considering bringing anti-trust charges against Google for favoring its own products in search results over ours. Read more here: The Google Anti-Trust Case
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      • Profile picture of the author kolbywhite28
        Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

        My thought on this is that Google is it's own worst enemy. You have to admit that Google shot itself in the foot concerning Adwords and Adsense. Forbes,About.com and Wikipedia I do not think run adsense ads.

        Besides their search results are really messed up.

        I was doing some keyword generation on finance terms the other day and the Google API was spitting out Car and Movie keywords and phrases. I only did this at the request of a friend.

        I don't worry about Google anymore. I am through with them and their fixed game on organics
        Wikipedia is a non-profit site and as far as I know, it is not their intention to run any ads. Also, About.com and Forbes.com do use Adsense ads.

        So, I'm not sure I get your point.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
          Originally Posted by kolbywhite28 View Post

          Wikipedia is a non-profit site and as far as I know, it is not their intention to run any ads. Also, About.com and Forbes.com do use Adsense ads.

          So, I'm not sure I get your point.
          The point is those above site tend to hog up front page listings even if they have a 7 year out of date article on the subject. Sites that have/had relevant up to date information (Remember the old saying "Google likes fresh content") have fallen off the radar, thus the adsense ads on those sites are buried. The math is simple, less ads are viewed by organics to a relevant audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nate A
    Interesting.

    Will FB overtake google? Not likely. But as many previously mentioned, any stirring of the pot and competition is good for US.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in the future with facebook and google.

    Thanks for sharing the article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Well, don't bet against FB becoming another junk site, just as MySpace eventually did. When you give complete creative control to 10s of millions of individuals to run their page as they see fit, eventually it will become a giant spam network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    To Be honest..... I am not sure how to take it....

    It may end being good for google, a bit of competition always makes things evolve and stay ahead.... This is what makes companies grow....

    Think about it... if you didnt have any competition then you wouldnt work as hard to keep your customers happy :-)

    I am going to sit back and watch and then I will make my comments later :-)

    Danny
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  • Profile picture of the author thetrafficguy2
    Personally i think there is no chance it will cause a real dent , against adwords. The true reason is because the company is so big is that it will take a long time to really get hurt. It wont just collapse over night.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      I can't say I like FB by any means, but their advertising system is one of the most straightforward I've seen.

      Hopefully their external network will be as simplified.
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  • Profile picture of the author jtoelle
    We need an Adsense alternative that actually works. After trying many other networks there still isn't anybody providing a good converting Ad network, IMO.

    If FB can display ads that convert, it won't take them long in capturing market share.
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    I am not fan of Google or Facebook, but Google has abused its power in advertising and I really hope facebook external network comes up strong enough.

    I would say Google have to be considered. Facebook got a really hill of population and unlike Google, Facebook has more information.

    Facebook knows who you are, your personal information, what you like, what you dislike, if you single, if you have children, you family, where you are what you do ....


    It might seems to other Google knows more but it really doesn't.

    Google enjoyed over the last year attacking social networks and trying force people into their Google plus. I can't wait to see how Google like it the other way around.

    There are millions of people banned of adsense, some for good reason, but really many for not. It is just a free traffic that will jump to boost Facebook network as well as people who want to see if it is more rewarding.

    I guess we got to wait and see. Best of luck for facebook
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Well, I will say this much...the potential sucess of this entire FB external ads platform will ultimately hinge on one thing...their ability to successfully mine data from their user-base, which they will have to do successfully, especially since they don't index the web and show ads based on content relevancy.

    This will be very interesting.

    I would assume that they would couple data from their own user database as well as browser information.

    Either way, regardless of whether or not they have an index of the web, they have money to pursue this project as a whole and the subsequent modifications that will be required to make it competitive.

    I am sure that Google is making careful note of the fact that they have $$$ to invest in this project...
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      I'm sure Google is shaking in their boots.

      "OMG somebody else online offers advertising, were done."
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Has anyone else ever noticed that when searching from Google the amount of Ads to the right are non-existent for a lot of search terms.

    Seems to me Google has put it's foot down far too hard and now will pay for it. It will start to feel the ripples of it actions and maybe start valuing marketers a little more, at least for paid search.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      It will start to feel the ripples of it actions and maybe start valuing marketers a little more, at least for paid search.
      Do you really think so, Mike? Are they going to send me an email like "sorry your sites that were 10/10 for over a year were suddenly "bridge pages and no longer allowed." "Our bad. Can we serve your ad needs now?":confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

        Do you really think so, Mike? Are they going to send me an email like "sorry your sites that were 10/10 for over a year were suddenly "bridge pages and no longer allowed." "Our bad. Can we serve your ad needs now?":confused:

        I don't know... I don't work for Google...

        It's not just one company hitting Google. It's everyone hitting Google and rightly so. They had the market in the palm of their hand and they decided to trash it so anything and everything that happens to Google shares is their own fault.

        The minute they start offering additional crazy incentives is when you know they are hurting...
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        • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
          Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

          I don't know... I don't work for Google...
          Right.

          I was seriously asking your opinion. Do you think Google gives a f**k that they tricked off a bunch of paying customers?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
            Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

            Right.

            I was seriously asking your opinion. Do you think Google gives a f**k that they tricked off a bunch of paying customers?
            It's not just one company hitting Google. It's everyone hitting Google and rightly so. They had the market in the palm of their hand and they decided to trash it so anything and everything that happens to Google shares is their own fault.

            The minute they start offering additional crazy incentives is when you know they are hurting...

            Until then they will keep playing with the big advertisers that don't know how to fully optimize anything but just spend more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    Until then they will keep playing with the big advertisers that don't know how to fully optimize anything but just spend more money.
    Spot on. FB is following suit.

    Cock gun. Aim at foot. Pull trigger.

    Thanks, Mike.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Martin
    Facebook is a bit late into this race though, and I doubt they will take the majority of the market share from Google anytime in the near future.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    @RyanMartin - It doesn't matter if another company offering contextual advertising to publishers manages to take the majority market share. The only people that care about that are the shareholders and people on the board. What matters is that publishers/webmasters have more options to monetize their websites with contextual ads. My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author CBusiness
    Perhaps this was the reason Mr Facebook has been so calm all year amongst all the speculation and financial craze
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Do a little test... Go to Google and type in something you are interested in other than the usual make money stuff. Do you see any paid ads? For the majority of my searches I DO NOT see paid ads so this tells me that there are less and less advertisers on Google as their used to be.

    But now go over to Bing and conduct the exact same search. BAM... tons of ads.

    See results below:

    Google Search Query: flat abs


    Bing Search Query: flat abs
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      For the majority of my searches I DO NOT see paid ads so this tells me that there are less and less advertisers on Google as their used to be.
      Back in the day this would of meant "open niche." Funny how things change.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Just because Facebook is a big name doesn't mean that they'll threaten Google. It's much easier for an established player like Google to fight off competition when they already dominate the market all the have to do is cut prices, which is then bad for IM's like us because ate revenues decrease. More competition = lower advertising revenues for us!!!!
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