What about this CB product design?

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Hi,

Know Her Secrets - Attract 10 Types Of Women

What do you think about the design and affiliates material?
Please let me know your sincere opinion and tips.

Thanks
#clickbank #dating advice for men #design #product
  • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
    Hey Joseph,

    Thanks for the feedback.
    Reguarding your questions, LOL.The book was written by a woman psichologist so yeah, near other things i can teach you, sure Venutian is on the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author SurrealPSD
    The illustration is awesome, bet that gets people buying for sure. One of the few Ive seen that I actually like.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    The graphics are really nice and intriguing... I scanned the copy and it didn't look too bad although I'm no expert.

    The only critique I have is the cartoon text is a little small
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  • Profile picture of the author aZapX
    Yeah, I also love the graphics for this landing page, almost tempted to get it myself!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    That sales page is jamming.

    I like the video reviews too.

    Feed it traffic.

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  • Profile picture of the author benzwm02
    The design looks great. However, I have seen a ton of other sites about attracting women similar to this with attractive women as well. Maybe try a uniquer approach than just the great graphics?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    The headline sucks and does nothing to get people reading the page below.

    The centered text on the page makes it very hard to read. It should be aligned to the left like a regular letter or newspaper would be.

    I think the page is a little too busy with all the graphics. Graphics are great but not when they override the message of the page. When I first land on your page it is the headline that should stick out like a sore thumb and make people read it. At the moment it is lost in between all the graphics.

    If there's one thing I've learnt over the years, pretty doesn't always sell well. Keep things simple, clean, and distinct.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    The only thing about that sales page from a graphics point of view that is good, is the cartoon illustration, the rest is below par.

    As for sales copy, didn't read it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Originally Posted by portugalkix View Post

    Hi,

    Know Her Secrets - Attract 10 Types Of Women

    What do you think about the design and affiliates material?
    Please let me know your sincere opinion and tips.

    Thanks
    Terrible sales page.

    Sorry, but you asked, and it is what it is. You need to hire a serious copywriter to start fresh if you want to make money or have ANY affiliates promote the product. As it is, I can promise you that it won't sell well. Here are a few things I noticed immediately, so short of hiring a copywriter (which you should do) you can at least make a few improvements now:

    1. As Will said above, the headline is lacking. Your headline should offer a clear cut benefit for the reader that offers them something they want, not 3 different sentences that basically rephrase the same idea "Attract 10 types of women, see how to attract women, secret unveiled by a woman".

    2. Having the price at the top of the sales page is a bad idea. Right now you have it at the very top on your ecover image graphic. This will instantly put a lot of people on the defensive. Get rid of the ecover at the top.

    3. Stop saying "eBook". The word eBook has cheap connotations. Use "program", "guide", "system", etc.

    4. Fix the spelling errors.

    5. Your "Bonus" graphic towards the bottom contradicts itself. First, it says "Buy 2 eBooks and Get 1 eBook Absolutely FREE" and literally right below that it says "Buy 1 eBook and get 1 Absolutely FREE... :confused:

    6.While you're at it fixing your "bonus", do the following:
    *change the title- "No More Shy" is a terrible title and makes it sound like whoever named it does not speak English well.
    *Mention ANYTHING about the bonus. Why would anyone think it has value when all you say is "get an ebook free" and then show an ecover of it? What's it about? How will it help the prospect? Why do they NEED it?

    I'd list more of the problems, but honestly you just need to hire a copywriter and get a video sales letter. This is a serious niche with serious competition, and this sales page will not attract affiliates or prospects.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      Terrible sales page.
      This.

      Please excuse our being outspoken, but I'm afraid it really is terrible, honestly.

      You'll (possibly) attract some of the 95% of affiliates who between them bring in only 5% of the sales, but almost none of the 5% of affiliates who produce 95% of the sales will consider it at all. (And those are just about the only ones you need.)

      Will and Luke have covered the problems and left me with almost nothing more to say, except to follow all their advice, and/or that a professional copywriter is urgently needed here (not someone pretending to be a copywriter). Sorry!

      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      this sales page will not attract affiliates who can really produce (m)any sales or prospects who'll actually buy it.
      "Fixed that for you"!

      If you're brave enough to post it in the Copywriting Forum here, requesting professional opinions about the sales page from the professional copywriters here, you'll get some valuable, expert opinions (but they're going to match Luke's, above. I'm sorry but "that's the way it is".)
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        I got stuck at the graphic and there was very little mystery behind what's inside the book. I was telling myself that this was all the same so called general knowledge on how to pick up women. Basically, I started to disagree with the information before I got past the graphic. If I really want to learn how to pick up women I'm looking for secrets, a system, something that is proven to work etc...

        I agree that the good folks in the Copywriting forum will give you a more detailed and informed opinion. They can be brutally honest but a good copywriter can be costly so the more advice that you can get there for free is worth gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    It actually amazes me all the people who had commented on this thread above saying how great the sales page was... it just goes to show you that relying on the opinions of those in a public forum is not always the best thing to do.

    As suggested above, go and ask for opinions in the copywriting section as they will tell you how it REALLY is. I am sure they will be quite harsh with your sales page though so be prepared. But it all comes down to whether or not you want to sell your product. As it stands you have very little chance of selling that product.

    I would also suggest getting rid of that cartoon image you have. It doesn't add any value to the page -- it actually puts the breaks on the whole sales process -- and at the bottom it links out to other websites which people could easily go and visit and never come back to yours. Not a good idea.

    Once you remove that cartoon image you will actually find you have very little copy on the salespage... especially for a product charging $47. It's almost the same sort of copy you could/would use on a squeezepage. You really need to get a professional copywriter on to the case for you and give your sales message some substance.
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    • Profile picture of the author SurrealPSD
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      It actually amazes me all the people who had commented on this thread above saying how great the sales page was... it just goes to show you that relying on the opinions of those in a public forum is not always the best thing to do.
      Whoa there! I just said I liked the illustration
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Much of the design uses elements that are outdated by approximately 10 years. It's a play on the stereotypical presentation of scammy info products. A page like this doesn't build optimal consumer confidence, but it is better than 95% of the info product designs you see out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sitestomp
    Change your call to action buttons to "add to cart" instead of buy now or instant download.

    Looks good but the copy needs a lot of work as others are saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    The FAKE testimonials are classic... especially the couple...

    Okay, getting onto the product itself.

    1. The domain name and product name is actually not that bad. Everything else sucks.

    2. The background colors are far too dark

    3. The headline text looks as though it was just pieced together because you liked the look of it. It doesn't fit together. Example, the words Attraction Pro and the rest of the headline do not fit together.

    4. The title "Know Her Secrets" is in a really bad font.

    5. Get rid of the info graphic

    6. The sales letter text needs to be left justified

    7. The "Yes It Works Properly" graphic needs to go.

    8. Get rid of the word eBook

    9. "Jaw Dropping Array of Free Gifts" is completely out of context

    10. Put the FAQ's on a separate page.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Those testimonials are shocking.

    You need to get rid of them asap, not just because they are terrible but because I would have it a very educated guess they are fake and as such you are misleading people.

    In fact I'm not sure how those videos got past the Clickbank approval process. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Those testimonials are shocking.

      You need to get rid of them asap, not just because they are terrible but because I would have it a very educated guess they are fake and as such you are misleading people.

      In fact I'm not sure how those videos got past the Clickbank approval process. :rolleyes:

      I'll take a wild stab in the dark and say he probably imputed them after the approval. He needs to completely scrap this site and start over and be thinking "Less is more" the entire time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Originally Posted by portugalkix View Post

    Hi,

    Know Her Secrets - Attract 10 Types Of Women

    What do you think about the design and affiliates material?
    Please let me know your sincere opinion and tips.

    Thanks

    Okay I'll throw you a bone... First, scrap your entire site and start over. Take a look at these Top Selling ClickBank products and take note of the similar elements they all share.

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    Common elements:

    1. They all make use of video
    2. Simplistic design (less is more)
    3. They all make use of Exit strategies
    4. The focus is the content... NOT the graphics
    5. Pay attention to the details (don't crowd text, no misaligned images, etc.)

    Follow those simple suggestions after looking at those examples I gave and you'll be much further ahead because as your website stands now you will get no sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Those aren't nice at all in my opinion but each to their own..
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Those aren't nice at all in my opinion but each to their own..

        Well they are certainly much better than what he has now... and those have a track record of millions of dollars in sales per year. Can't argue about proven results. Not everything has to be an award winning piece, just a simple design will do that isn't going 100 different directions.

        I recommend starting with a blank screen with just a simple headline and video. Then start testing it, adding more elements until you get the best results. Sure you could use simple design elements but why not get started ASAP. The design can come later as part of the testing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          The sales might be down to others factors unknown unless tested.

          This very discussion was had here which gives my take on simplicity.

          I'd say they are underselling themselves through bland design rather than thriving on "simple"...
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      • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Those aren't nice at all in my opinion but each to their own..
        "Nice" is open to interpretation and is not even remotely relevant. All that matters is "does it sell?". The products Mike listed do sell, and very well. As such, they are worth taking note of.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

          "Nice" is open to interpretation and is not even remotely relevant.
          Hence "each to their own".

          I guess then whatever the term it's interpreted to will define on what's relevant.

          If "nice" means attractive to the eye, then yes, on a medium which thrives upon visual and audio as prime components then that is indeed a very relevant factor.

          All that matters is "does it sell?".
          What matters even more is; "Could it sell better" presented differently...
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          • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            What matters even more is; "Could it sell better" presented differently...
            I could not agree more. However, considering I've been privy to the results of significant split-testing for one of the vendors quoted (as well as several others), I can say with certainty that simplicity and cleanliness produced the best results.

            As has already been pointed out, and as common sense dictates, there is a reason the top products on CB have a lot of similarities on their sales pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Barr
    Identifying and understanding which of the 10 personality types she falls under is literally your one way ticket from Mars to Venus.
    Really?

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    Also, a one-way ticket? So your customer is going to turn into a woman?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
    Hi,

    Ok guys, i finished reading everyting you said and i appreciate it.The main thing i would would like to do is thank everybody that give it a look.
    I am doing a couple of severe modifications to the page starting now, and i will let you know when modifications are ready.

    Thanks again and i can't wait to start doing it right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      It actually amazes me all the people who had commented on this thread above saying how great the sales page was... it just goes to show you that relying on the opinions of those in a public forum is not always the best thing to do.
      Exactly so. I was astonished. The reason I decided to reply, myself, after your original reply and Luke's was to try to balance out the numbers and not leave the impression that "experienced Warrior opinion" might possibly be in favor of using this page.

      Originally Posted by thetrafficguy2 View Post

      some very good sales copy
      It's just breathtaking to me that people can really think this.

      I make my living doing this and I know I wouldn't be able to make one single sale by sending targeted traffic to this page.

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Those testimonials are shocking.

      You need to get rid of them asap
      This is really important. It can only damage your reputation as a vendor to use these, and may also cause legal/regulatory problems jeopardising the security of your domain-registration/hosting, and worse. The FTC has effective jurisdiction over any ".com" domain-registration wherever its owner lives, and wherever it's registered/hosted, and has demonstrated it regularly!

      Originally Posted by portugalkix View Post

      Thanks again and i can't wait to start doing it right.
      And good luck with it!
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by portugalkix View Post

      Hi,

      Ok guys, i finished reading everyting you said and i appreciate it.The main thing i would would like to do is thank everybody that give it a look.
      I am doing a couple of severe modifications to the page starting now, and i will let you know when modifications are ready.

      Thanks again and i can't wait to start doing it right.
      Hey, it's all a learning game and I know that's why you came here asking for opinions. What's good is you are taking those opinions on board and you will definitely end up with a sales page much better than it is right now.

      We all have to start somewhere -- it's where we end up that counts so please do not be disheartened by any of the comments given above, we are only telling you these things because we know what will work better for you. Be sure to keep us updated on the progress of the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
    Hello guys,

    I just finished making some huge changes, design is a little messy now, but just wanted to ask you if it's the right path.

    Be sincere,thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author jackcarr
    One thing I want to know... how the heck does that blonde girl do that to her thumbs LOL

    IMO it looked better with the old header, with the image of the book at the top of the page.

    Im no pro on this subject though.

    Good luck with the rest of it!
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I admire you for making some changes but it's still a long way from being a great sales page.

    As Luke has suggested above, I really think you need someone to take care of your copywriting and the design of the salespage. It's just not esthetically pleasing and important bits like the headline are just not given the importance they should be. Even if the headline did stand out the actual content of the headline is very poor that it wouldn't make a huge difference.

    It's ok if you are not good at these things but you need to realize that. You can keep making changes to your page and slowly get it looking better and better or you can scrap the whole thing, get some professionals on to the job and have something that will convert much better.

    One option is destined to bring you very few or no sales. The other option will give you the best fighting chance you have of selling that product. It's up to you as to where you go from here. But just know that I can't see you selling any copies of the book with the page the way it currently is -- even with the recent changes.

    Sorry, but just being honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
    Thanks again.Well, it looks like i have only one possibility here:
    1.do everything again ( impossible because even if it's a shitty design with a bad sales page, i paid enaugh and i am out of budget) .

    Any further ideas? Will it be possible to hire a copyrighter that will accept not to paid now, but split the earnings after? Same goes for a designer?

    Anyway, i will keep adjusting it, untill any other solution is available.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by portugalkix View Post

      Thanks again.Well, it looks like i have only one possibility here:
      1.do everything again ( impossible because even if it's a shitty design with a bad sales page, i paid enaugh and i am out of budget) .

      Any further ideas? Will it be possible to hire a copyrighter that will accept not to paid now, but split the earnings after? Same goes for a designer?

      Anyway, i will keep adjusting it, untill any other solution is available.
      I know what you are saying -- you have no money for those things.

      The problem is, without those things, you will likely earn very little or nothing from that sales letter. So you are in a bit of a catch 22. Spend no money and make no money or spend money and make money.

      I don't think you will find any of the good copywriters are willing to be paid later. Most of the good copywriters are not struggling for work and will want to be paid when the job is complete. You might be able to find someone who is willing to do a rev share but even then, most of them will still want some sort of flat payment upfront.

      My advice is to find some way to earn the money needed for those services. It might delay your project a little but they really are necessary. You could end up wasting a lot of your time playing around with that page in it's current state and it won't make a whole lot of difference.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        I know what you are saying -- you have no money for those things.

        The problem is, without those things, you will likely earn very little or nothing from that sales letter. So you are in a bit of a catch 22. Spend no money and make no money or spend money and make money.

        I don't think you will find any of the good copywriters are willing to be paid later. Most of the good copywriters are not struggling for work and will want to be paid when the job is complete. You might be able to find someone who is willing to do a rev share but even then, most of them will still want some sort of flat payment upfront.

        My advice is to find some way to earn the money needed for those services. It might delay your project a little but they really are necessary. You could end up wasting a lot of your time playing around with that page in it's current state and it won't make a whole lot of difference.
        Thanks for everything.I just now decided to do a complete turn over and go for a video scribd.I found the tools, now i just need to sort it out.
        Will keep you updated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by portugalkix View Post

      Will it be possible to hire a copyrighter that will accept not to paid now, but split the earnings after? Same goes for a designer?
      Designers: I don't know.

      Copywriters: it's sometimes possible, but not easy. Copywriters will sometimes do this for returning clients they already know well and trust, though even then most will want a deposit. The difficulty is that successful, established, "ClickBank-proven" copywriters don't need to do this but can pick and choose their work, creating the reality that a copywriter who jumps at the chance may be a struggling one, and there may be "reasons for that".

      There's a lot of discussion in the Copywriting Forum here about this issue. My own entirely subjective impression of this situation, unfortunately, is that using the services of a copywriter willing to work in this way significantly reduces your chances of achieving successful copy.

      However you look at it, the market realities predicate that "getting the sales page written" is likely to be the major financial outlay of such a project.

      Successful copywriters need a lot of skill, experience and time, to work on a project. Some of the best ones are taking on no more than 2 or 3 jobs per month, because their work demands such a high degree of research, care and effort. There are people charging many thousands for sales pages for products of this type, and they do tend to be the ones that become very successful on ClickBank (otherwise they wouldn't get the returning customers and recommendations enabling them to charge those amounts). It's not nearly as overpriced as it seems, when you look at the income potential arising from their work. Think about how much your dentist charges: an experienced, professional writer probably isn't going to work for much less than half that hourly rate? (Some command the same sort of hourly rate.) And no professional copywriter is going to produce what you want/need in much less than about 20 hours' work (and maybe more)?

      That said, it's possible sometimes, with a great deal of care and research, to find highly skilled, aspiring copywriters "on their way up" who will do "a $3,000 job" for $500 (perhaps partly because they want the experience and the testimonial?), but that's like outsourcing anything: you need to select the person very carefully indeed, there's always going to be some luck in it as well, and there are more unsuccessful outcomes than successful ones, that way. Just the market realities, I'm afraid.

      It's obviously a viable niche, though - and I wish you good luck with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Designers: I don't know.

        Copywriters: it's sometimes possible, but not easy. Copywriters will sometimes do this for returning clients they already know well and trust, though even then most will want a deposit. The difficulty is that successful, established, "ClickBank-proven" copywriters don't need to do this but can pick and choose their work, creating the reality that a copywriter who jumps at the chance may be a struggling one, and there may be "reasons for that".

        There's a lot of discussion in the Copywriting Forum here about this issue. My own entirely subjective impression of this situation, unfortunately, is that using the services of a copywriter willing to work in this way significantly reduces your chances of achieving successful copy.

        However you look at it, the market realities predicate that "getting the sales page written" is likely to be the major financial outlay of such a project.

        Successful copywriters need a lot of skill, experience and time, to work on a project. Some of the best ones are taking on no more than 2 or 3 jobs per month, because their work demands such a high degree of research, care and effort. There are people charging many thousands for sales pages for products of this type, and they do tend to be the ones that become very successful on ClickBank (otherwise they wouldn't get the returning customers and recommendations enabling them to charge those amounts). It's not nearly as overpriced as it seems, when you look at the income potential arising from their work. Think about how much your dentist charges: an experienced, professional writer probably isn't going to work for much less than half that hourly rate? (Some command the same sort of hourly rate.) And no professional copywriter is going to produce what you want/need in much less than about 20 hours' work (and maybe more)?

        That said, it's possible sometimes, with a great deal of care and research, to find highly skilled, aspiring copywriters "on their way up" who will do "a $3,000 job" for $500 (perhaps partly because they want the experience and the testimonial?), but that's like outsourcing anything: you need to select the person very carefully indeed, there's always going to be some luck in it as well, and there are more unsuccessful outcomes than successful ones, that way. Just the market realities, I'm afraid.

        It's obviously a viable niche, though - and I wish you good luck with it.
        I was also thinking the same.It can surely hurt the sales not picking the right one, like i did.I hope to have more luck from now on.I can't deny i am quite dissapointed, but this makes me want to do it even more.

        I will post updates
        Thanks again everybody and don't stop sharing your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
    Hi,

    I followed your advice and posted in the Copyright section.Well, after many hours of work i came up with this new, clean design and sales letter. Please let me know again what do i need to improve.

    Thanks guys and looking forward for your thoughts
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