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Guru IMer using backdoor URL for MY CB signups...ticked...

by dbarnum
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OK, after being seriously TICKED off, to say the least - -the very least, at the following handling of my affiliate signups by the product seller, I'm interested in what you think is affiliate program etiquette.


FACTS:

1) A very, very well known IMer (going to keep the name private) started selling something that I knew was great (past experience with his stuff and sales record, etc.) - so I started promoting for his new product via his Clickbank link (using my URL for it, thanks goodness).


2) My team and I personally spent time writing content for promotions: articles, press release, etc - -and submitting and publishing it on the web all over: items to directories, press release places, Social Networking, etc. - the whole nine yards.

3) Results: he has since closed his door to the public on his site, and has our visitors subscribe for follow up emails. Note: My client did. Here's where it turns ugly...

4) The CB links leave no cookies, nada. Yet his emails, get this - - - have NO affiliate links at all in them - -AND include a back-door entrance - -with NO affiliate code or our URL at all NOTHING! We spent all that time, money and effort for promotions and for what? To be cheated!

OMG! I KNOW this person and cannot believe this, especially with the background of his character he presents to the public and espcially to fellow IMers. It's truly amazing. Wow, did he just drop a LOT in my IM book. I mean, come on! Like that was ethical?

When a different top IMer -- one I still highly respect - had something similar happen - this was well after long-term growth where his company paid in full and in timely fashion as described in his program, he forewarned all us affiliates that his program was changing and what to do on our end. To me, this is appropriate affiliate program management. This shows integrity, honesty and planning. Well done.

But the above? I can't say anything at all positive about that, especially since that person KNOWS the IM arena inside and out and KNOWS what he is doing, sending out a backdoor URL. That's just plain ugly, in my humble opinion. Maybe I'm truly not seeing the big picture, but why not:

- TELL affiliates there are changes - both on your site and via emails. Don't let people continue to promote when it STILL says you pay 50% when you set things up in this manner? That's cheating us and that affiliate page STILL says that - even today.

OK, what do you think? I could very well be wrong, but hey - I don't have to like it
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
    Question - you say you "know" this marketer. So why haven't you approached this with them directly??

    You're frustrated, I get it. I even understand why. But after a while I start to wonder why people so often feel the need to share their drama.

    Instead of posting this to get "proof" that you are "right", go to the marketer directly and solve the problem. Then either continue marketing this CB product, or don't.

    Does it really need to be any more complicated than that?

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    • Profile picture of the author Kris Turner
      Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

      You're frustrated, I get it. I even understand why. But after a while I start to wonder why people so often feel the need to share their drama.
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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Ken,

      Thanks for your so-upbeat, positive post. Always love people who take time to read what they don't like and post in reply. Keep it up

      Early PS - I have approached the seller. That's not the issue. It's more why,I guess, and that I am shocked, yes, what can I say - drama or not to you. Go watch TV news or something and don't post then. Didn't ask you to reply. And duh, already know how simple it is to revise the URL - done deal already. Not the issue or I'd mentioned it. You can't change the free promos out there on other's sites, though, or your time, etc. - no way to recoup.

      Bottom line: It's just such a let down & to me it's criminal or should be, with affiliate marketing. This isn't an accident. It's intentional theft, ad we should have help with this, as IMers. I work with inmate in a re-entry program, and when people on the outside commit crimes like this, it's very sad. They should go into prisons and see where crime leads, really. Drama or not, that's a fact.

      Again, go click other threads if you're not interested. No one asked you specifically to reply. Sheesh.
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    • Profile picture of the author waken
      Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

      Question - you say you "know" this marketer. So why haven't you approached this with them directly??

      You're frustrated, I get it. I even understand why. But after a while I start to wonder why people so often feel the need to share their drama.

      Instead of posting this to get "proof" that you are "right", go to the marketer directly and solve the problem. Then either continue marketing this CB product, or don't.

      Does it really need to be any more complicated than that?

      Ken
      Originally Posted by cosmokid View Post

      Nothing wrong with a good rant. Especially when someone is screwing you. It serves as a good warning that affiliates should regularly check the pages of the products they promote because even the occasional "guru" who would appear to be above such nonsense might make sudden, drastic changes to their affiliate program, putting all your promotions at risk.



      I'm sorry, but it sounds like the poster had every reason to expect that the affiliate program was still in place and that clicks/hops would still be tracked and credited at the vendor's end. To have completely and suddenly prevented all affiliates from ever having their cookies tracked doesn't sound very above board to me. That's not an unreasonable expectation. You set up an affiliate program, get affiliates promoting you, and then after a while you redirect them to only an opt-in where the affiliate no longer gets credited for referrals?

      Bogus.

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    • Profile picture of the author sevenish
      I see this issue has come to a resolution of sorts. I'm glad that Diana posted the issue here, if for no other reason to notify other affiliate marketers to some vendor tactics.

      Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

      But after a while I start to wonder why people so often feel the need to share their drama.
      Not sure, but perhaps it's the same impetus as you have when you preface many of your posts with "as I always tell my students ...". Of course, you edited your first post on this thread to exclude the part about what you always tell all of your students.
      Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

      Does it really need to be any more complicated than that?
      See above. We already know you have students. No need to mention it over and over and over.
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      • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
        Note:

        I don't know all the intricate tech details of CB but know if you clicked the link before it was fixed today, my affiliate ID was not in the cart (at the bottom where it should show - sold lots for CB, so I do know how it should look, if that helps clear some air a bit). Bottom line: it shows now that it was fixed, so happy camper.
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        • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
          Originally Posted by dbarnum View Post

          Note:

          I don't know all the intricate tech details of CB but know if you clicked the link before it was fixed today, my affiliate ID was not in the cart (at the bottom where it should show - sold lots for CB, so I do know how it should look, if that helps clear some air a bit). Bottom line: it shows now that it was fixed, so happy camper.

          yes - in that case something was up.. but don't worry about your id needing to be in any follow up emails.. as long as the vendor doesn't replace any links with their hoplinks, you should be fine. I've actually had that happen to me, and it sucked. That's why I signup to their lists before I promote - I check to make sure they don't send me off CB, or overwrite my cookie with one of their own.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I can understand your disappointment but the question I have is - Was anything mentioned in the affiliate signup procedure about what to expect?

    It may just be that the person didn't put enough thought into their affiliate program and you had expectations which were not based on anything they'd said, offered or promised.

    I imagine if you tell them what you've noticed and ask them to respond, they'll do exactly what needs to be done.

    It seems weird that you've come here to air this in public and not mentioned whether you've even spoken to them about it or not.

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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by cosmokid View Post

      I'm sorry, but it sounds like the poster had every reason to expect that the affiliate program was still in place and that clicks/hops would still be tracked and credited at the vendor's end. To have completely and suddenly prevented all affiliates from ever having their cookies tracked doesn't sound very above board to me. That's not an unreasonable expectation. You set up an affiliate program, get affiliates promoting you, and then after a while you redirect them to only an opt-in where the affiliate no longer gets credited for referrals?

      Bogus.

      Jennifer
      I agree. I wasn't saying otherwise - just asking for clarification of where the expectation came from. Sometimes people really do come here and post before thinking things through and then realise afterwards that they got all worked up for nothing, so rather than make assumptions I was just asking.

      Sorry if that seems weird or unfeeling.

      It's useful to have threads like this anyway and sometimes posting questions to the OP helps others reading the thread consider things too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
    re: "3) Results: he has since closed his door to the public on his site, and has our visitors subscribe for follow up emails. Note: My client did. Here's where it turns ugly..."

    There is something that you may not have seen that may help with this. (or at least may stop it happening for you in the future).

    PM me and I'll pass it on.

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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer99
    How long did it take you to write that post? Less time than it would have taken to call or email this "top IMer" you know so well?

    I'm with Ken - what's the point? Take it up with this guy.

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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Originally Posted by internetmarketer99 View Post

      How long did it take you to write that post? Less time than it would have taken to call or email this "top IMer" you know so well?

      I'm with Ken - what's the point? Take it up with this guy.

      Mark
      I HAVE. I HAVE. I HAVE.

      Everyone read that now?

      ...and yes, the program STILL today says it's open AND pays 50% AND the seller does know what he's doing and is alerted to this back door. All is in the open.

      Sorry to have left sll the details out. Wasn't trying tp spend an hour on my post, but hey, my bad there - appologies.

      OK, heading off here. Thought I'd get some constructive yet very helpful, positive replies, but maybe this just isn't written right from the start or this just isn't worth posting about, even though I've read many other posts on this topic in a similar fashion, so appologies all.

      Go ahead and delete, rip it up, etc. Unsubscribing and moving on with this, too. Poor topic, poor discussion, poor choice for it, etc. Appologies. Adios. Thanks anyway


      Heads up: just monitor what you promote. Basic business.

      Enough said.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
        Originally Posted by dbarnum View Post

        OK, heading off here. Thought I'd get some constructive yet very helpful, positive replies, but maybe this just isn't written right from the start or this just isn't worth posting about, even though I've read many other posts on this topic in a similar fashion, so appologies all.
        I can't speak for what Andy wrote, but understand that even feedback you may not want to read (such as the feedback I gave you) has an intention of helping you see something valuable to take away from this.

        Been a full-time entrepreneur for 8 years and the last five of those have been online. Here's what I can tell you.

        IM is a dog-eat-dog endeavor just like everything else. At every turn you need to be protecting your own income. If it's possible to withhold money from you, someone *will* try.

        My point was that a big boo-hoo about it on a public form won't change that reality.

        In all the time you're spending looking for agreement and condolences, you could be finding another CB winner to promote by a product owner who won't screw you.

        Just trying to keep you from wasting energy on this kind of stuff the way 99% of entrepreneurs do.

        Peace,
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
          You know, its funny how some people are allowed to rant here and others are not. Must have to be part of the club in order to do so.

          I see no issue with the post, as it serves as a warning to others. Control your leads by capturing emails and keeping up with the offers you promote.
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          • Profile picture of the author Glenn Grundberg
            Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

            ...I see no issue with the post, as it serves as a warning to others...
            TAH-DAAAAH!

            I totally agree with you, Nathan!

            This is WHY we rant here from time to time. It's NOT (just) to beat our breasts and make ourselves feel all warm and justified.

            It's to alert the REST of you that there is a problem. Otherwise we WOULD keep it to ourselves.

            @Diana: Keep ranting and instructing us, please. I'd be interested to know who this "Guru" is as well, if you don't mind PM'ing me that?

            @Roy: I'd LOVE to have the same info you gave Diana, if I could!

            @Ken: You're WAY too touchy-feely for me, dude. When I get ripped off, I get PISSED. And I'm gonna vent. It's not a waste of time, it's therapy, and if it helps someone else here NOT get hosed, then it's a service as well.

            Which IS a good use of my time. Capisce?

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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
              Originally Posted by Glenn Grundberg View Post

              @Ken: You're WAY too touchy-feely for me, dude. When I get ripped off, I get PISSED. And I'm gonna vent. It's not a waste of time, it's therapy, and if it helps someone else here NOT get hosed, then it's a service as well.

              Which IS a good use of my time. Capisce?

              Peace.
              Touchy-feely? Not in this lifetime my friend. I pull down 7 figures a year and I'll be damned if ANY marketer gets in the way of that.

              Here's the difference between me and you...

              Instead of coming here whining I'd be on the doorstep of the marketer's house.

              Is that touchy-feely enough for you?

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              • Profile picture of the author Glenn Grundberg
                Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

                Touchy-feely? Not in this lifetime my friend. I pull down 7 figures a year and I'll be damned if ANY marketer gets in the way of that.

                Here's the difference between me and you...

                Instead of coming here whining I'd be on the doorstep of the marketer's house.

                Is that touchy-feely enough for you?

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                Maybe I misread you...

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                Easy, Cowboy!

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            • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
              Originally Posted by Glenn Grundberg View Post

              @Roy: I'd LOVE to have the same info you gave Diana, if I could!
              Glenn - Just sent you a pm with the info I sent Diana.

              regards
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          • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
            Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

            You know, its funny how some people are allowed to rant here and others are not. Must have to be part of the club in order to do so.
            Incorrect. It has absolutely nothing to do with any "club".

            It has to do with whether the rant is serving anything other than the ranter wanting/needing emotional self-justification.

            That's not being harsh, it's being truthful. With few exceptions that's often the case.

            You'll notice that the top earners on this forum rarely if ever post rants. Why? Because instead of posting a rant they're solving the problem by going to the person directly.

            Kind regards,
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            • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
              Oh so now you are going to pull out the "well I'm a top earner" card? Come on Ken, this isn't about who earns more and who doesn't. If they want to complain, who cares? There are a ton of people that complain on this forum and are encouraged to do so...while the OP gets ridiculed for it?

              You have the option of not reading it, but yet you felt the need to complain about it.

              Last I checked, this is an open forum.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
                Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

                Oh so now you are going to pull out the "well I'm a top earner" card? Come on Ken, this isn't about who earns more and who doesn't. If they want to complain, who cares? There are a ton of people that complain on this forum and are encouraged to do so...while the OP gets ridiculed for it?

                You have the option of not reading it, but yet you felt the need to complain about it.

                Last I checked, this is an open forum.
                Nathan,

                Appreciate your thoughts. Not pulling a card, just stating a fact.

                Yes, this is an open forum. I'm exercising my right to comment just as the OP exercised her right to post.

                People are free to take it or not, agree or not. Makes no difference to me.

                I don't post here to be told I'm right. I post here to share what I believe and have learned based on actual experience.

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                • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
                  Ken, I understand where you are coming from, and I'm not trying to point blame at you. Just seems to be a double standard here sometimes. We all have bad days and it feels good to rant.

                  I do like your stance...like you I don't mind standing on an island. A sign of integrity IMO.
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            • Profile picture of the author ptone
              Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

              It has to do with whether the rant is serving anything other than the ranter wanting/needing emotional self-justification.

              That's not being harsh, it's being truthful. With few exceptions that's often the case.
              Wow...so that's what you got out of the original post?

              Maybe you are being a bit short-sighted here. As has been mentioned, if nothing else, the OP did shed some light on a problem that other affiliate marketers might not have been aware could happen. In that regard, this is a very helpful thread.

              Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

              You'll notice that the top earners on this forum rarely if ever post rants. Why? Because instead of posting a rant they're solving the problem by going to the person directly.
              And if you hung out at the PPC forum, you would notice that dbarnum is very helpful and inspiring to those of us seeking advice over there. Some top earners don't mind helping the little guy.

              dbarnum,
              If he doesn't resolve this for you, I would start checking the cache of his website. If he promised one thing and delivered something different, you and the other affiliates could build a pretty strong class-action lawsuit as he is essentially stealing commissions from you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                I can't believe people are jumping on Diana for her OP.

                I think this whole thing stinks and this is one person I would never want to
                do business with if I knew who it was.

                I don't even know what else to say.

                I'm just dumbfounded.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The message I'm getting here is "keep it private so no one else knows about it" - ridiculous.

        and KNOWS what he is doing, sending out a backdoor URL
        I don't think it's a poor topic - or a poor subject for discussion. If the product is advertised as "limited to XXX" is good to learn that affiliates might need to ask what happens when that limit is reached. Most of us wouldn't think to ask - especially if the seller is trusted and well known.

        This is the reason I won't promote a CB product with a sign-up on the sales page. Quite a few sellers I've found on CB make signing up for their list almost more attractive than getting an immediate sale from their sales page. How many of them include your cookie in their follow-up?

        Many launches close as "sold out" or "full" rather quickly - but then quietly re-open days or weeks later. That's convenient if you have a waiting list of people with no affiliate link credited.

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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          This is the reason I won't promote a CB product with a sign-up on the sales page. Quite a few sellers I've found on CB make signing up for their list almost more attractive than getting an immediate sale from their sales page. How many of them include your cookie in their follow-up?
          What do you mean by that last sentence? The cookie would be on the visitor's computer, not emailed. As long as any links in emails take them back to the same page, the affiliate will still get credit.
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        • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
          My question is, how is it that these Clickbank links aren't leaving a cookie? If that's the case, that sounds like a problem on Clickbank's end, not the seller's. There should be absolutely no problem with what the seller is doing (assuming his sales link still goes through the same Clickbank account that your hoplink goes through), you should still get credit for the sale in most cases even if they aren't sending followups back through your hoplink. The only way you shouldn't get credit for the sale in that case is if you sent someone to the site through your hoplink, then they cleared their cookies before being sent back to the site by one of the followup emails.

          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Quite a few sellers I've found on CB make signing up for their list almost more attractive than getting an immediate sale from their sales page. How many of them include your cookie in their follow-up?
          Clickbank leaves a cookie that lasts a very long time (if I remember correctly it's a year, but don't quote me on that one). While it's nice if the seller uses your hoplink in thier followups just to be 100% sure that the referring affiliate gets the sale, it's absolutely not necessary. If I send someone to your site through my hoplink and they do nothing at that time but sign up for your list, then you send them directly back to the same site (with no hoplink), unless they've cleared their cookies I still get credit for the sale.
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          • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
            Originally Posted by stevenh512 View Post

            My question is, how is it that these Clickbank links aren't leaving a cookie? If that's the case, that sounds like a problem on Clickbank's end, not the seller's. There should be absolutely no problem with what the seller is doing (assuming his sales link still goes through the same Clickbank account that your hoplink goes through), you should still get credit for the sale in most cases even if they aren't sending followups back through your hoplink. The only way you shouldn't get credit for the sale in that case is if you sent someone to the site through your hoplink, then they cleared their cookies before being sent back to the site by one of the followup emails.



            Clickbank leaves a cookie that lasts a very long time (if I remember correctly it's a year, but don't quote me on that one). While it's nice if the seller uses your hoplink in thier followups just to be 100% sure that the referring affiliate gets the sale, it's absolutely not necessary. If I send someone to your site through my hoplink and they do nothing at that time but sign up for your list, then you send them directly back to the same site (with no hoplink), unless they've cleared their cookies I still get credit for the sale.
            Or it could be the perp in question is using a second clicbank account...and doesn't have the affiliate program enabled in same.

            Yes, what I just described can be done, and according to the clickbank tos....is legal.
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            • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
              Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

              Or it could be the perp in question is using a second clicbank account...and doesn't have the affiliate program enabled in same.
              That's entirely possible, but I think I covered that scenario in my original response.. lol.. and one correction to my original response (glad I said not to quote me on this part), the CB cookie is 60 days I don't know why I was thinking it was a year.. but still, if someone doesn't buy in 60 days with email followup encouraging them to go back to the site and buy the product, I have my doubts about whether or not they'll buy at all.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            CB operates on "last cookie". If the seller's emails send you directly to the sales page you should get credit. Some sellers may use their own affiliate link - why else wouldn't it track? The seller may see it as a way to track his own promotion.

            A couple years ago I emailed a seller about a similar problem and he informed me bluntly that if purchase is made through his emails after the people sign up on his sales page (sent there by an affiliate), the sale is NOT an affiliate's sale - it's the seller's.

            He may have been the exception - but honestly I doubt it. Some sellers provide an alternate sales page without opt-in if an affiliate requests it. Some don't.

            In this particular case, I think it was just an oversight or a failure to check details. It's a reminder, though, that it's good check the details and the tracking whether you are a seller or a buyer.

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  • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
    Head to pop back for a minute, because THIS is what this Warrior forum is about:

    Roy (above) just PMed some help - -thanks, Roy!

    There ARE things we can do and it's about sharing info here, folks.
    So be upset with drama, but when you're out your hard earned promo dollars, cry alone.

    Or come here and get help!

    Go Warriors!

    More help that's come, too:

    Use your own leads capture page - then when this type "drama" happens, tell your leads what's going on. Offer an alternative for them. They signed up with your offer, not the sellers initially, anyway. Take charge! You don't want them to sign up and be mislead, too.

    Again, thanks Warriors who PMed help! That's what it's all about. Sharing info and helping each other.

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
      Originally Posted by dbarnum View Post

      Head to pop back for a minute, because THIS is what this Warrior forum is about:

      Roy (above) just PMed some help - -thanks, Roy!
      No Problem Diana. Glad it helped.

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  • Profile picture of the author bethsuzi
    Hi,

    I think there are far more time wasting threads than this one. To be honest, if it is important to the person writing the thread, then it should be relevant, end of.

    Many who have written quite long replies telling the guy to stop wasting his time is a wee bit hypocritical. The fact is, there IS something to learn here, I for one didn't think to keep track of the products I am promoting in this way, now I will be more alert.

    In off-line business people have the law to protect them. Online we are on our own and it is good to be vigilant and let others know if there is potential theft methods or whatever.

    Keep it up Dbarnum
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Why take it up with someone who has already betrayed your trust?

    Are you going to believe what they say?

    We aren't getting the other side of the story, but based on the OP, it sounds like it's a deliberate attempt to benefit from the traffic affiliates send, then not pay them anything.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
    haha sounds good to me brother

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    And in the end we didn't knew who is the IMer that is doing it and this turned out to a "is this a public forum or not" discussion.

    Not cool.
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    • Profile picture of the author blogonator
      Yeah, i feel you Diana. It must be really painful doing all that groundwork, only to discover that all your efforts have gone to vain. Hope you recover well from this setback.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Aritra Basu View Post

      I don't understand why Diana post got attacked in the first place? I am glad she shared this with us. It's an eye opening post for many affiliate marketers.

      May be I am a dud, but I had no clue that this could happen too and now I know that this has happened, I better be careful.

      I am dying to know who this GURU IMer is?!
      Diana, can you PM or email? You know you can trust me girl. I just want to be careful.
      I didn't see any attacks on Diane. People posted their observations.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by Aritra Basu View Post

      I am dying to know who this GURU IMer is?!
      He's been named in a post further down ..


      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      You should pull away from the chap asap
      .. it's a Warrior called asap

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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

        He's been named in a post further down ..




        .. it's a Warrior called asap

        Harvey
        Damn, I knew I should never have let the cat out of the bag. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
          Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

          Damn, I knew I should never have let the cat out of the bag. :p
          So you are admitting that you KNEW what you were doing when you spilled the beans? Right. Ok. Now where is that infraction button...
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          • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
            Wow, you guys rock, you know that! So many PMs and posts of encouragement, tips, etc. - - all are very appreciated. I've tried to "thanks" each post, but wow, can't keep caught up.

            If you do want the name and product, feel fee to PM or email. Don't want to break Allen's rules and don't want others promoting this either.

            I have pointed the seller to this thread, as this person does carry a particular title in the real world which is what really amazes me i.e. that he's doing this. Would never have suspected this at all, which is really why I posted, I guess, now that I look back after a break - and lunch.

            So I'm going to allow for error -- like maybe he has an affiliate manager and a different email marketing manager and they aren't in sync? Since he knows others are aware of this, maybe the program will get on track and be ethical, moral and legally right now. I want to believe in people & give 2nd chances, etc. - all that Polyanna stuff

            Hey, I wore rose-colored glasses -- seriously -- for a long time. But my eyesight has changed from near sighted to far sighted, so allowing for a farther look

            Keep you posted if I hear anything.
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            • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
              Oh, but by God don't mention who it is or your comment will be deleted - what a crock.
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              • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
                Originally Posted by jcaviani View Post

                Oh, but by God don't mention who it is or your comment will be deleted - what a crock.
                Realize that is to protect the forum owner in case of false allegations being posted.

                Sucks I know, but that's life in today's society.
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    I smell a rat too. Been burned that way before...never again.

    You should pull away from the chap asap, and basically cut them off at the knees.

    If I ever do anything like that, could you do me a favor and please name and shame me in public?

    -Floyd
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  • Profile picture of the author andrewharrison
    Okay, so many people have just told dbarnum to basically keep a lid on it and stop complaining. So, let's examine what is really going on here.

    1. Everyone NEEDS to vent. This is how we release pressure. It is a proven fact that men are not usually great at venting and expressing themselves. . . This is why so many males FREAK OUT. The pressure builds up and. . . BOOM. Women, on the other hand, LOVE to communicate and express themselves. That clears that up. Now onto the next. .

    2. When someone reaches out, and this is what is clearly going on here... One does not tell them to "Be quiet." One must respect that someone has bared their soul and shared their feelings. . . To anyone who did the brush off...

    How would you feel if you were having a bad day, AND you tried to vent, to reach out.. and you were told, "Who cares. . ."

    Do you see what I mean? This is supposed to be a community. When someone reaches out. . . Don't bash them, take a sincere and genuine interest and present a solution. You never know when YOU might need to reach out. Here is a GREAT expression for you.

    "Be Nice To The People On The Way To The Top. You Will Need Them On The Way Back Down"

    It does not take but a few minutes to be considerate and present a solution to someone who has clearly reached out and obviously respects what people say here. Don't lose that respect and trust. . .

    Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Dear Dbarnum,

    If the guy is doing what you say then I hope he gets what's coming to him.

    I have an inkling who it could be, but that means nothing really. It's just a guess on my part.

    What a sneaky, cheating, lying crook he is though.

    Don't let the scumbag get you down.

    Steadyon
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Jennings
    Originally Posted by dbarnum View Post

    4) The CB links leave no cookies, nada. Yet his emails, get this - - - have NO affiliate links at all in them - -AND include a back-door entrance - -with NO affiliate code or our URL at all NOTHING! We spent all that time, money and effort for promotions and for what? To be cheated!
    A Clickbank URL drops a 60-day cookie on the prospect's computer, yes? So even if the person you referred signs up to a list that includes a non-affiliate link to the product, you still get a commission if they buy within 60 days, yes?

    So other than CB having a stinking short cookie length, I'm missing the problem.

    Since everyone here is jumping in and saying how horrible it is, I assume I'm missing the problem.

    Jay Jennings
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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Update:

      The seller has fixed things. There is now a price increase showing + the CB affiliate ID commission info shows during check out - - yeah!!!

      So hey, maybe squeaky wheels get grease or things were just out of sync, or who knows. But I have my confidence and faith restored in this seller. And to me, that's important. I like to truly believe in the seller, not just the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    Originally Posted by dbarnum View Post

    4) The CB links leave no cookies, nada. Yet his emails, get this - - - have NO affiliate links at all in them - -AND include a back-door entrance - -with NO affiliate code or our URL at all NOTHING! We spent all that time, money and effort for promotions and for what? To be cheated!
    How is that possible? CB creates the cookie, not the vendor. His emails do NOT need to have affiliate links in them for you to get credit... that is what the cookie is for.

    I've tested that with many products, and it works fine.

    If no cookies are appearing on your computer, maybe you have spyware or something else that is blocking or deleting them.

    It sounds like you don't know how the CB process works, and that is leading you to a false conclusion about this person cheating you.

    Why do people always assume they are being cheated, rather than consider that there may be some other explanation? Yet so many here jump on the bandwagon and assume something sinister is going on, without even seeing the site in question.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    A lot of people really do not understand what cookies are and how they work.

    It's a file on your pc.

    When someone clicks on a hoplink, CB puts a file on thier pc which saves the aff id of whomever last initiated that click (the affiliate CB id from the hoplink).

    That file stays on the persons computer for 60 days (in the case of CB).

    When someone gets to a checkout page on CB, CB will look for this file (the cookie), get the aff id that was stored there, and if it finds one it will credit that affiliate with the sale.

    There is no need for the vendor to ever use your hoplink in their emails - as the cookie has already been set.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Grundberg
    Originally Posted by TheRichLife View Post

    There's no honor among thieves.
    Wow. Same exact post from the other thread you posted in.

    And same result! Reported...

    Why not read the rules and try to amp up your post count the right way?

    Be better for ya, I guarantee it...
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Grundberg
      Originally Posted by TheRichLife View Post

      I'm just callin' it like I see it. I'm sorry if you disagree. Report away!
      You got it!

      Anyone else want to help stomp some bugs?

      It's FUN :p
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by TheRichLife View Post

      Stompin' bugs, or stompin' dissenting opinions? I guess they can both be fun, but one of them is un-American. Which are you doing?
      Originally Posted by TheRichLife View Post

      I'm just callin' it like I see it. I'm sorry if you disagree. Report away!

      yeah, and the way you see it is that we are all thieves.

      If you think you are in a den of thieves, then go find somewhere else to hang out.

      or maybe you don't understand what "no honor among thieves" means?

      It means thieves will steal from each other. So saying that, everytime someone says they're getting ripped of, etc, is saying that they are a thief themself and had it coming to them...
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      • Profile picture of the author andrewharrison
        Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

        So saying that, everytime someone says they're getting ripped of, etc, is saying that they are a thief themself and had it coming to them...
        I don't agree with the above statement. What you are saying is this,


        "If someone gets assaulted, THEY must has asked for it. . .He had a smug face"
        "If a woman gets raped, SHE must have caused it. . .Her skirt was too short"
        "If a car gets stolen, THE OWNER must have asked for it because he had a nice car. . ."

        It is possible that good people DO GET ripped off. . ,. AND they did not deserve it. I have not read all of the thread. . . I just disagree with your comment on "Coming to them. . ."

        If you were out tommorrow, going about your business, and some guy just walked up to you. . ." AND THEN you came back here and explained about being attacked, some person said, "You must have had it coming." See what I mean?

        Have a great night.. No insult was intended. I am simply stating that the victim NEVER deserves it. People MUST be in control of their actions and emotions.
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    • Profile picture of the author bt
      Just goes to show you, no matter how good someone's reputation Is, you can still get burnt by them.
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