Frauds and Scams Galore
I'm just curious why people are so vocal about Allen and the moderator's roles in bad WSO products but withhold criticism of Google, Paypal, Ebay, Amazon and other places where the same type of things are sold.
Think about it - most of the "scams" are sold through a payment processor, right? Most of it isn't in cash. So why not complain to the payment processor?
Most of the sites are in a search engine. Some sites have paid for listings. Why not complain about the bad products with Yahoo, Microsoft, or Google?
Paypal takes fees and Google makes money (even on free listings) so why bring up things like the powers that be are making bank from the WSO listing fees at the expense of all the "victims" but not make the same claims about the other companies?
Is it because you feel that here you may be heard but Google/Paypal/Ebay won't listen? Or what?
I believe that if there was one change that would be beneficial here it would be to disallow all income claims. But then again I've never made that suggestion to Google or Paypal. So I'm "guilty" too.
Another change that YOU (if you feel the WSO forum quality is slipping or already fallen off the cliff) can do is to post your results.
For example, there was a recent offer for making a specific amount of cash before Christmas (actually get the money in 4 days from when you start). One customer documented his journey and found there was no cash at the end of the rainbow. That cleared things up pretty good.
"I got the download fine", "I'll take a look at it after I get off work", "I believe that someone who did this could make a lot of money", "thanks" ARE NOT reviews. Don't take them that way.
But don't say something doesn't work unless you have tried it. Did you actually write the report, get a cover made, write the sales copy as explained, have 3 messages in the autoresponder sequence, and then buy your Facebook ad?
Or did you write it off by saying that it won't work because it's rehashed garbage you can find in Google for free and never even try?
Have you ever been in a bookstore? Pick up 10 books about any nonfiction topic: Windows 8, Leadership, Improving your Career, Healing from Divorce, Self Improvement, Losing Weight, etc.
If you do that I promise that you will find that most books have your so called rehashed material. Let's face it - how many different varieties of diet books have you seen that are 100% original. Sure there are some but most follow this basic flow: You've got to change what you are eating, how much you are eating, and/or change how much or what type of exercise you do.
The same goes for all the other topics. You probably haven't seen very many improve your career books that doesn't have some version of "don't be late", "dress appropriately", be a good team player", and "go the extra mile." All of that can be found in Google so why not get refunds and make complaints to Amazon?
My point in all this is not to necessarily defend Allen or the moderators. They do a pretty good job but there is always room for improvement. They don't need defending.
What I'm trying to do is to bring some sort of common sense to this debate. If the WF management is wrong and are "complicit" then so is Paypal, Google, Clickbank, Amazon, and many other places. If you complain about the quality of the WSO forum what are you doing to help? Are you reading and following through on what you buy or are you too busy thinking up your next excuse for getting a refund?
Mark
Think about it - most of the "scams" are sold through a payment processor, right? Most of it isn't in cash. So why not complain to the payment processor?
Most of the sites are in a search engine. Some sites have paid for listings. Why not complain about the bad products with Yahoo, Microsoft, or Google?
Paypal takes fees and Google makes money (even on free listings) so why bring up things like the powers that be are making bank from the WSO listing fees at the expense of all the "victims" but not make the same claims about the other companies?
Is it because you feel that here you may be heard but Google/Paypal/Ebay won't listen? Or what?
I believe that if there was one change that would be beneficial here it would be to disallow all income claims. But then again I've never made that suggestion to Google or Paypal. So I'm "guilty" too.
Another change that YOU (if you feel the WSO forum quality is slipping or already fallen off the cliff) can do is to post your results.
For example, there was a recent offer for making a specific amount of cash before Christmas (actually get the money in 4 days from when you start). One customer documented his journey and found there was no cash at the end of the rainbow. That cleared things up pretty good.
"I got the download fine", "I'll take a look at it after I get off work", "I believe that someone who did this could make a lot of money", "thanks" ARE NOT reviews. Don't take them that way.
But don't say something doesn't work unless you have tried it. Did you actually write the report, get a cover made, write the sales copy as explained, have 3 messages in the autoresponder sequence, and then buy your Facebook ad?
Or did you write it off by saying that it won't work because it's rehashed garbage you can find in Google for free and never even try?
Have you ever been in a bookstore? Pick up 10 books about any nonfiction topic: Windows 8, Leadership, Improving your Career, Healing from Divorce, Self Improvement, Losing Weight, etc.
If you do that I promise that you will find that most books have your so called rehashed material. Let's face it - how many different varieties of diet books have you seen that are 100% original. Sure there are some but most follow this basic flow: You've got to change what you are eating, how much you are eating, and/or change how much or what type of exercise you do.
The same goes for all the other topics. You probably haven't seen very many improve your career books that doesn't have some version of "don't be late", "dress appropriately", be a good team player", and "go the extra mile." All of that can be found in Google so why not get refunds and make complaints to Amazon?
My point in all this is not to necessarily defend Allen or the moderators. They do a pretty good job but there is always room for improvement. They don't need defending.
What I'm trying to do is to bring some sort of common sense to this debate. If the WF management is wrong and are "complicit" then so is Paypal, Google, Clickbank, Amazon, and many other places. If you complain about the quality of the WSO forum what are you doing to help? Are you reading and following through on what you buy or are you too busy thinking up your next excuse for getting a refund?
Mark
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