Daily mailings: How do you feel about them?

by Broyde
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Do you like getting autoresponder emails from the same marketer everyday. I find that after about 4 or 5 days I just ignore those messages and only open from that marketer when he has an outstanding subject line.

As far as you are concerned when is too much too much? Or is daily just fine with you?
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  • In my experience, as long as your mails reveal quality content your list actually wants to read (meaning they're not just email promos), there's absolutely nothing wrong mailing everyday or every second day.

    It's all about delivery quality, regardless of whether it's once a day or once a week.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I'm not a fan of the daily mailings.

    I think it tells you something about the marketer.

    No matter how they try and sugar coat it, a marketer who is mailing you new products every day of the week doesn't truly have your best interests at heart.

    You should only hear from a marketer when they have come across something that will truly help take your business to the next level -- anything else is just going to sidetrack you from your ultimate goal... and make the affiliate some commissions.

    The best thing you can do is unsubscribe from all the temptations. If you don't know about all the new shiny objects being sold, then you can't buy them.

    The less temptations you have, the better.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      I sometimes get 3 emails a day from certain well know WF members here after purchasing WSO's.

      All the emails are pitches for other products, and I can tell you, that type of 'list abuse' gets real annoying, real quick
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I'm not a fan of the daily mailings.

      I think it tells you something about the marketer.

      No matter how they try and sugar coat it, a marketer who is mailing you new products every day of the week doesn't truly have your best interests at heart.
      If there was one person on your mailing list, then I could see how this would be the case, but if there are thousands or tens of thousands of subscribers, that is a different story.

      Not all of the products you suggest are aimed at the same individual. People with large lists have a broad demographic of customer they are speaking to. Some work with WordPress, some are FaceBook marketers, etc, etc.

      This is why I do not prefer to use people's names in emails to my list. I don't want them to think that each of my emails are pointed at them. I want them to know they are part of a group of like minded marketers that receive emails from me. In fact, I often say in my emails not to buy a particular product if they do not have a need for it.

      There's also different kinds of lists. Some lists are specifically created to give product recommendations or reviews. If that is what the person signed up for, then it is silly to say you don't have their best interest at heart by giving them what they are seeking.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        If there was one person on your mailing list, then I could see how this would be the case, but if there are thousands or tens of thousands of subscribers, that is a different story.

        Not all of the products you suggest are aimed at the same individual. People with large lists have a broad demographic of customer they are speaking to. Some work with WordPress, some are FaceBook marketers, etc, etc.

        This is why I do not prefer to use people's names in emails to my list. I don't want them to think that each of my emails are pointed at them. I want them to know they are part of a group of like minded marketers that receive emails from me. In fact, I often say in my emails not to buy a particular product if they do not have a need for it.

        There's also different kinds of lists. Some lists are specifically created to give product recommendations or reviews. If that is what the person signed up for, then it is silly to say you don't have their best interest at heart by giving them what they are seeking.
        I agree with that but in my comment I was assuming people are using different lists for different products and thus they are only mailing products relevant to the product people originally purchased. But I guess I was being a little naive -- that only happens in a perfect world.

        I guess we both know that isn't the case around this neck of the woods. I might purchase a mobile website template and the next day that marketer is trying to sell me a guide on fiverr or a Wordpress security suite.

        But either way, whether the product is relevant to them or not, I think we can agree that the more temptations you dangle in front of a person, the harder it is for them to focus and move towards their ultimate goal. That's the point I am trying to make.

        Segment your subscribers better and mail them new shiny objects less often. Ask yourself a question before promoting. Is this product really going to help my subscriber get one step closer to their ultimate goal or is this something they could really do without. In most cases it will be the latter and for that reason you shouldn't be dangling it infront of your subscribers in the first place.

        That is unless your sole business model is making money from promoting products.
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        • Profile picture of the author Irish Intuition
          Daily?! I get annoyed by anything more than once a week and
          I opt out all the time because of too many eamils.
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  • Profile picture of the author CrisisCore08
    If I get a daily mails I unsuscribe unless it has very helpful content.
    Daily mails is mess,I use my mail for my use,when I get daily mails I actually need to spend a lot of time on just deleting or reading them.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Micheal
    I just ignore or unsubscribe email that i don't want to read.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      It's all about expectation-setting, isn't it?

      If you haven't told subscribers that you'll be sending them an email every day, or twice a day, or three times a day, and then you do that, you're going to get unsubscriptions, inattentiveness and dreadful open-rates.

      It doesn't matter whether we like this or not (I like to unsubscribe quickly, myself, though sometimes you can't): it matters whether our subscribers like it, and that depends on how we set their expectations.

      Personally I offer reassurances - before they sign up - that they they won't be hearing from me anything like as often as this, and I think that helps my income a lot.

      People who collect the opt-in in the Warrior Forum and then send email twice or three times per day promoting WSO's are just "making up the numbers". They won't still be here in another year: they'll have dropped out of the industry and perhaps gone back to the planet they really live on. Unfortunately, though, their places will have been taken by others repeating their mistakes because they read the same guidebooks written by people whose only income-source was selling guidebooks telling others even more gullible than themselves "what works".
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  • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
    I wan't going to be the one to bring this up, but I'm glad someone did. With all the reading I do about list building and proper list usage around here, I've been really surprised at the number of people here who really abuse their list.

    Nothing but e-mails promoting other products. And I'm not just talking every day. There have been couple of them who sent me stuff every two - three hours, around the clock. I'd wake up and have 3 or 4 e-mails from the same person in my box. That's just abuse, period.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingMedia
    When I mail, I try and provide something solid. Usually that comes after a few days or a week of researching - not daily.

    Really though, it depends on your niche - is a lot happening? If you niche is image driven, then folks may look forward to a new image everyday (like silly cats or funny stuff or even hot chics, etc). Same goes for daily events or roundups (news, etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author guypeleides
    It's no different than writing articles or submitting content: quality over quantity. Anyone who emails that frequently is unlikely to be sending quality stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author thetrafficguy2
    I send to my list about 3-4 times per week, because i do want to burn my list and annoy them. I make sure ever email I send is extremely high quality and something people want to read.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    I hate daily mailings I quickly add these to my junk mail box. Weekly is sufficient - sometimes less is more
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    I agree completely with Alexa!

    It completely depends on the expectations you set and how you condition your list.

    Don't be afraid to tell your list right upfront that you will be mailing them everyday - because then they come to expect it.

    However, you must stay consistent. You can't set the expectation of a daily mailing and then condition them to be used to it - then switch to every other day for a few months - then try to go back to daily... It won't work.

    Everyone always argues on "most optimal frequency" to mail subscribers and the realistic thing is there is "no optimal frequency" as it's all dependent on the style of the marketer, the niche, business goals, etc.

    Some folks would never mail once a day (or more) even if you told them they could help more people and double or triple their profits...

    Other folks would never think of mailing less than once a day because they are generating new leads and income every day...

    You can never please all folks - but you can always create additional lists that they can join that you only mail weekly or something.

    Just have to find what works best for your business and your marketing style and business goals and just stay consistent.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I would advise against it. Its just annoying.

    I wouldn't even visit my best mate every day.

    Consider moving away from auto followups and sending REAL emails (broadcasts) with highly useful/helpful information.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    I definitely don't like daily mailings. I prefer to contact my own list every 2-3 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kathy Bell
    I do not like daily mailings. It doesn't take long at all for me to ignore and never open the emails. I prefer to have more infrequent higher value emails, with or without a pitch.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanrob310
    Daily emails are the worst, I find I just tune them out after a week or so. Its like that annoying co-worker who cant stop talking
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    I always email every day for the first week when someone joins my list but after that i slow things down a bit and message 2, 3 and 4 days

    I can't see why anyone would email their list everyday unless they were heavily involved with ad swaps or they sell solo ads

    If you're not giving good content every day then expect your open rates to drop a fair bit

    If it's just a normal list I can't see how you would have that much to say where you have to email your list/lists every day
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  • Profile picture of the author edd666666
    My clients love daily mailings. They know when they sign up they are going to receive an email every day with quality content they can use right then. And I deliver. I have an unsubscribe link in every message but almost all of them hang in. I have 365 messages, one per day, before they repeat and the subscribers love it. So tell them what they are going to get and deliver it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joey Starkey
    I don't mind an email everyday, if the emails are giving me good information that I want or need. Or in some cases track a list because I have found myself on the list of a true professional.

    But the lists that bother me are the ones that send me an offer everyday without ever giving me any good or new information. Just a pushy offer for a shiny object.

    But what I seriously hate are those "Your business cannot possibly survive without this Shiny Object" then when you don't open the mail they segment you and send you the mail 2 or 3 more times. I keep a few of these around just to remind me to NOT MARKET LIKE THIS.

    Then you see some marketers that have a great course. In this example a 30 day program that I really enjoyed. Not only did I learn a few things find an offer that I bought. But once the program was over nothing, no more emails. I enjoyed the course, it had a lot of terribly good info sprinkled with 5 or 6 products. But once it was over nothing.....wasted opportunity.

    Basically the point that I am trying to share is there are lots of different ways to build a responsive list But you must know what your target group wants or expects from your relationship.

    Good Luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Joey Starkey View Post

      I don't mind an email everyday, if the emails are giving me good information that I want or need.
      You make a good point here, Joey. Can't really argue with that. Call me a skepchick but I suspect, though, in reality, that 97% of the time people who send an email daily are just promoting something in at least half of them (maybe all of them) and that's going to irritate everyone eventually?

      Overall, granted with some exceptions, marketers who email very frequently (and especially the 2/3-times a day people) are the ones who contribute very, very little, aren't they? :p

      Originally Posted by Joey Starkey View Post

      Basically the point that I am trying to share is there are lots of different ways to build a responsive list But you must know what your target group wants or expects from your relationship.
      Agreed. Good post.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        As long as you meet expectations, the frequency of emails is irrelevant, IMO. Setting expectations was discussed ealier in this thread. The "trick" is to provide rich content that subscribers actually want to read, and eagerly anticipate the next issue.

        I hammer my lists every day with hard-hitting promotions. However, these always also include compelling value with niche-specific articles, tips, free resources, stories, and some (very good) jokes.

        Consistently providing value, quality products, and quick resolution of unsatisfactory experiences can be just as effective in building relationships as sending warm nurturing fuzzies. But, your mileage may vary.

        Consistently exceeding subscriber expectations: priceless.
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  • Profile picture of the author verdi
    When I buy a product - whether it's software or an ebook, I expect any follow-up emails to give me more information about the product or ebook.

    If I get 7 emails in the next week or two promoting other people's products I'll unsubscribe.

    At present I have bought three different amazon softwares and the three different sellers are constantly sending me emails every day - sometimes twice a day, to tell me about a new amazon WSO or product. I just unsubscribe from these.

    However, I bought some software from another seller who, around weekly, gives me some tips on how to use my software. Occasionally, he will send me a promotion for another product so I'll take a look at it and decide whether to buy. This kind of marketing I can accept and I'll stay on his/her list because of the valuable information he sends me in between promotion emails.

    I really think it is very crude for marketers to treat their lists as 'buying fodder'. In other words they think that if they've got you on their list they can send you any other offer they like and eventually you will buy from them. WRONG! I will simply unsubscribe from their list unless they are providing me with useful information about the original product I bought from them.

    As the Buyer, when I join a list I expect more information in emails about the product I bought. As a Seller, I want to build a list so that I can make more money by selling other products.

    But the Seller needs to understand the advantages of building a relationship with their buyers before they start promoting other products. Martin Avis is brilliant at this. His Kickstart Newsletter is a conversation which might include a promotion. And he only sends it once a week.

    Joe

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I HATE IT when people email me everyday with their sales offer. The emails dont even provide any value for me. People like this get unsubscribed from instantly.
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  • Profile picture of the author infogenius
    Honestly,it gets me angry to get mailed everyday,some marketers will even mail you 2 or 3 times daily.Once i find such mails irrelevant,i simply unsubscribe.Good ridance to bad rubbish.
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  • Profile picture of the author regervin
    I usually unsubscribe from daily mailers. These type of mailers give me the impression that I'm their ATM. If the mailer offers ongoing tips, how-tos, etc.(better known as value) in addition to the offers, I will usually stay on the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author joekoffi
    If they are promos, I'll just hit the unsubscribe link
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      As Paul (myob) said, if the emails have value (to me, and I'm the one who gets to decide that) I'll stay on the list.

      If they don't, it's a simple two-step process:

      1. Try the unsubscribe link. If that doesn't work, go to step two.

      2. Set up a filter to divert any and all emails from that person directly to the trash folder. If the volume gets silly, go to your control panel and set up a forward to :blackhole: so the email never even hits your client of choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author serafina
    I feel very annoyed if it daily mail especialy if unsubcribe link doesn't work.i create 2 different email ,one for marketing business that got a lot of spam mail and the other one for personal mail with less spam mail.
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  • Profile picture of the author ekxstores
    No definitely not. Daily mailings are not very effective. Try every 3 days or so?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    It's funny, there are some WSO sellers on this thread you don't see complaining when affiliates are mailing for THEIR "bright shiny object"... :rolleyes:

    I consistently mail 5-6 times a week in the IM niche and mainly promote software, tools, or plugins... very rarely an infoproduct. These are things I know my list is interested in, want to hear about, and buy. Awesome stuff is being released all the time.

    I get them in early when it's a dimesale or work out discounts with developers (recently my list got a chance to purchase a $99 plugin for $27)... that's value to THEM and value doesn't have to be free.

    Every subscriber is different. If a person's not into my style that's fine, they unsubscribe. But let me tell you, every marketer who has a list is always selling SOMETHING.
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  • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
    I mail out every couple of days. 90% of what I mail is free stuff. Add ons for my scripts (for those who bought them), free graphics, plug ins, video tutorials. I try to give free stuff that I know my list can use. Then every once in a while I drop in an affiliate offer, but even then only if it really is something useful. I try to think. Would I buy this?
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    I think really it depends on the content of the emails. If someone is just sending me 4 line email promotions or exact swipe copy for products then ya, I'm going to unsubscribe pretty quickly.

    On the other hand, if someone mixes in content with affiliate promotions I will be much more likely to read and respond to their emails
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  • Profile picture of the author Rbtmarshall
    Dan Kennedy/GKIC emails every day, and if it weren't for me trying to study his methods, I would have unsubscribed long ago.

    He has to be one of the most self centered egotistical people I have come across. It's surprising how he has such a cult following, and that is what I am trying to figure out.


    Many so called "guru's" seem to violate the annoyance rules of daily emails.


    I have also noticed that many products I've purchased in the past (not IM related) seem to be emailing allot between thanksgiving and now, promoting their products. I have used those reminders to unsubscribe from many mailing lists these last few weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    There are lots of generalizations and personal preferences stated in this thread, but the fact is, there are always exceptions and trade-offs. For example, a person that emails daily will make sales based on the volume of emails sent, but in many cases their open rate will be very low. Someone who sends once a week won't have as many offers out there, but will often enjoy a much higher open rate.

    Point is, you have to find what you're comfortable with. There is no "best" way to do things that works for everyone. There is only what works best for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Interestingly the WORST group of people to ask any question
    related to: "How many of you like to me marketed to?"
    are marketers.

    Hence you are asking the wrong group of people. Survey
    your subscribers instead.

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