True Article Marketing?

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Okay, so I realized that real article marketing is about syndication. So I wrote an article 1205 words and I am ready to publish it somewhere to get syndicated. I just published it on one of my newer websites, and I am working to make sure that I have 20+ pages before I publish it (I am currently at 2 pages and 2 posts)...

Anyways the bottom line is what do I need to do with this article to get it syndicated, I am waiting for it to get indexed on my site, but after that do I just put it up on eZine and wait?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by zspuckl View Post

    I just published it on one of my newer websites
    Sounds good ...

    Originally Posted by zspuckl View Post

    I am working to make sure that I have 20+ pages before I publish it (I am currently at 2 pages and 2 posts)...
    Before you publish it elsewhere, you mean? Oooh, well, 20 pages is a lot! It takes my sites a year or so (actually longer), to get to 20 pages.

    Originally Posted by zspuckl View Post

    Anyways the bottom line is what do I need to do with this article to get it syndicated, I am waiting for it to get indexed on my site, but after that do I just put it up on eZine and wait?
    Nooooo ... that's only a "passive syndication" attempt, only an afterthought, really.

    Your answers are in these three posts (and their links), I think ...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7527342
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6575732
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7475055

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Wascally Wabbit
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Before you publish it elsewhere, you mean? Oooh, well, 20 pages is a lot! It takes my sites a year or so (actually longer), to get to 20 pages.
      Hi, Alexa. I'm reviving this thread to ask a question to which I'm sure you'll be able to provide a quick answer. Above, you state your sites can take a year or longer to reach 20 pages (I'm taking that to mean 20 high quality articles, one on each page). I also seem to remember reading in another thread that having just 5 pages is good enough for you to start with (or maybe myob said that). If you are only adding a new article to a particular site once every 2+ weeks, then what are you sending to your list subscribers? For some reason, I was under the impression that your subscribers are sent all or part of the article when you release it (I'm not talking your syndication list here - I already know you distribute to them after the article is indexed on your site).

      Here's a quote from you: "I now send email on days 1, 3, 6, 10 and 15 and thereafter at 5/6-day intervals (never 7-day intervals, because of the "same day of the week" problem)."

      I'm probably rambling a bit here and should just get to the main question: If you are only adding a new article every 2+ weeks, but sending your list subscribers e-mails via auto-responder at much more frequent intervals, then what are you including in those e-mails? I know you do more than only promote products...it seems you would run out of material in the auto-responder sequence because the cadence is too fast relative to new article creation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wascally Wabbit
        My question immediately above was directed at Alexa Smith. I'm still hoping she is able and willing to answer my query, but perhaps I erred in pointing straight at her. If anyone else has any guidance or suggestions, I'm all ears!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Ooh, I'd nearly forgotten this thread: strange how selective memory can be, isn't it?

        Originally Posted by Wascally Wabbit View Post

        Hi, Alexa. I'm reviving this thread to ask a question to which I'm sure you'll be able to provide a quick answer. Above, you state your sites can take a year or longer to reach 20 pages (I'm taking that to mean 20 high quality articles, one on each page).
        No, I usually put more than one article on each page, actually.

        I write three articles per month, per niche.

        Originally Posted by Wascally Wabbit View Post

        I also seem to remember reading in another thread that having just 5 pages is good enough for you to start with
        Yes, I'll start with 4 or 5 pages, and syndicate articles, and attract traffic. And that's including the "legal requirements" links and stuff - the 4/5 pages are not even all "niche-related content", in other words.

        Originally Posted by Wascally Wabbit View Post

        If you are only adding a new article to a particular site once every 2+ weeks, then what are you sending to your list subscribers?
        I'm adding a new article three times per month (once every ten days, say) and sending emails to my subscribers every five days, with a promotion in (about) one email in three. (Paul's policies and procedures with this are enormously different from mine, by the way - just saying!).

        Originally Posted by Wascally Wabbit View Post

        For some reason, I was under the impression that your subscribers are sent all or part of the article when you release it
        Noooo ... not "when I release it", at all.

        It'll get round to them eventually, by having its (only slightly re-written) material added on to my email series.

        I almost never use "broadcasts", for all the reasons explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7301227

        Originally Posted by Wascally Wabbit View Post

        Here's a quote from you: "I now send email on days 1, 3, 6, 10 and 15 and thereafter at 5/6-day intervals (never 7-day intervals, because of the "same day of the week" problem)."
        Oooh, I agree with that comment.

        Originally Posted by Wascally Wabbit View Post

        If you are only adding a new article every 2+ weeks, but sending your list subscribers e-mails via auto-responder at much more frequent intervals, then what are you including in those e-mails?
        Less than an entire article.

        And all the other stuff that goes in my autoresponder series emails: picking up the conversation from where it left off last time; reminding them why they're receiving it; giving observations/commentary about affiliate marketing (the more openly and repeatedly I discuss this, the more I sell - not only for the obvious reasons like explaining to people that if they buy something through my affiliate link they'll never pay more for it because my commission always comes from the vendor's profits rather than from the customer's pockets - which they won't know and will worry about, if you don't tell them); reminding them how easily they can unsubscribe if they ever want to; explaining why I might sometimes inadvertently recommend to them something they've already bought; commenting on feedback I've had from subscribers about a recent/previous recommendation; leaving them on a cliffhanger about "what's coming up next" (because "continuity is everything"), etc. etc. And there'll be half or two thirds of an article in there, somewhere, as well.

        Originally Posted by Wascally Wabbit View Post

        I know you do more than only promote products...it seems you would run out of material in the auto-responder sequence
        Yes, your point is entirely valid and correct in that I'm sending email nearly twice as often as I'm producing articles, but I use less than one article per email, on average, and a third (sometimes even a little more than a third) of the emails are promoting something, too, and they don't have so much "article content" in them. Also, a lot of my articles are 1,200-1,500 words, so they go quite a long way. Some paragraphs can jump into an email and get half-way round the world on their own, while I'm still putting my writing shoes on.
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  • Profile picture of the author zspuckl
    Thanks Alexa! I was hopping you would see this! By pages, I mean that I have an amazon review site, and all the pages that I do are either a review or a product based page, while all my posts are informational! Basically, I am not sending to a squeeze page, just product promo for now. I am working on determining exactly what type of autorepsonder "series" I want and from their I will add an opt in form!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
      Originally Posted by zspuckl View Post

      Thanks Alexa! I was hopping you would see this! By pages, I mean that I have an amazon review site, and all the pages that I do are either a review or a product based page, while all my posts are informational! Basically, I am not sending to a squeeze page, just product promo for now. I am working on determining exactly what type of autorepsonder "series" I want and from their I will add an opt in form!

      Hi

      You will find it very difficult to make money using syndication to a amazon review site as your pages are product promos and very few sites with potential high traffic will be looking to link to these sites unless you have outstanding content.

      Indeed most people will find it very difficult to make serious money using article syndication to be honest. You will need to find related sites and contact them offering your content etc...

      If you are focusing on amazon review sites as your main source of income you will probably be better using SEO techniques as this will be a lot quicker although not easy of course.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

        You will find it very difficult to make money using syndication to a amazon review site
        ^^ Exactly so.

        For reasons already referenced by Alexa (read her links in post#2), this is a combination that does not mix well at all. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by zspuckl View Post

      all the pages that I do are either a review or a product based page, while all my posts are informational! Basically, I am not sending to a squeeze page, just product promo for now. I am working on determining exactly what type of autorepsonder "series" I want and from their I will add an opt in form!
      I have no experience of Amazon review sites, myself, and don't really see how it would work with this, I must say.

      But in any case, you'll make sure that that's done - with or without a squeeze page - before anyone else publishes any of your articles, I hope?! It would be something of a "tragedy of wasted opportunity" to get articles syndicated successfully and then not even try to build a list from the incoming traffic? Especially for an Amazon affiliate (which I am myself, also)? :confused:

      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      You will need to find related sites and contact them offering your content etc...
      Many of us have noticed, rather repeatedly, that it's apparently not at all easy for you to let an "article marketing" thread go by without announcing that very few people are successful with it (even while ever-increasing numbers of Warriors are openly reporting their growing successes from it), Kevin.

      But I think even you'll agree that it's fairly safe to assume that someone who starts off a thread specifically to ask about article marketing already knows that article marketing involves finding related sites and offering them content, don't you?! When they've used the word "syndication" in their first sentence?!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
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    Not sure who "us" refers to ? Not that I would take any notice of it anyway but just find it a strange phrase to use ? Is there a secret "article marketing " warrior group or do you all chat via PM ?

    I do believe that article marketing can work well for some people but I don't believe most new guys will be able to make it work using your article syndication model. That's not to say it doesn't work of course.

    Last sentence from the OP was
    Anyways the bottom line is what do I need to do with this article to get it syndicated, I am waiting for it to get indexed on my site, but after that do I just put it up on eZine and wait?
    Sounds like they are pretty new to this concept ?

    Then you reply
    But I think even you'll agree that it's fairly safe to assume that someone who starts off a thread specifically to ask about article marketing already knows that article marketing involves finding related sites and offering them content, don't you?! When they've used the word "syndication" in their first sentence?!
    And on this point....

    Many of us have noticed, rather repeatedly, that it's apparently not at all easy for you to let an "article marketing" thread go by without announcing that very few people are successful with it (even while ever-increasing numbers of Warriors are openly reporting their growing successes from it), Kevin.
    As stated I do believe article marketing can work despite the fact that many of these warriors including yourself never provide actual case studies or evidence
    to show proof of these article syndication methods working. Just saying.

    While I don't agree with a lot your posts and advice Alexa I do believe that you are a talented writer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      Then you reply
      But I think even you'll agree that it's fairly safe to assume that someone who starts off a thread specifically to ask about article marketing already knows that article marketing involves finding related sites and offering them content, don't you?! When they've used the word "syndication" in their first sentence?!
      That was a reply to your comment "You will need to find related sites and contact them offering your content etc..." quoted a couple of lines above it. Apologies if it wasn't clear.

      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      I do believe article marketing can work
      Happy (and rather surprised) to hear it. Thanks for the clarification.

      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      many of these warriors including yourself never provide actual case studies or evidence
      LOL, I certainly don't, anyway. I think you're probably aware that most affiliate marketers here who aren't in IM/MMO niches don't disclose their niches? (Paul does, but he's an exception). Some of us have spent a lot of time of identifying them partly on the basis of their lack of competition, so we're hardly likely to publicize them, are we?

      "Strange" how it seems to be only the article marketing Warriors to whose entirely understandable lack of willingness to do so, that you choose to draw attention, though, isn't it? I've certainly never seen you comment on anyone else's lack of "case studies" or "evidence" when answering anyone's questions about how they make their living! One would hardly have to be Sherlock Holmes to indentify your obvious bias here, would one?

      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      Just saying.
      You're not "just" saying at all: you're saying and drawing adverse inferences, and inviting others to do the same. And you do so repeatedly, and pointedly, in spite of the fact that it helps nobody at all. "Just saying".
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    LOL, I certainly don't, anyway. I think you're probably aware that most affiliate marketers here who aren't in IM/MMO niches don't disclose their niches? (Paul does, but he's an exception). Some of us have spent a lot of time of identifying them partly on the basis of their lack of competition, so we're hardly likely to publicize them, are we?

    "Strange" how it seems to be only the article marketing Warriors to whose entirely understandable lack of willingness to do that you choose to draw attention, though, isn't it?
    Hi

    I don't expect everyone to reveal their niches, I wouldn't reveal some of mine either. I just highlighted that there is no evidence for a lot of advice posted on this forum , that's a fact although it still doesn't mean the advice is wrong of course.

    I don't have anything against article marketing , my best ever month online was due to article marketing methods. I am very open minded when others suggest ways to increase traffic / revenue and I don't dismiss SEO, PPC and non list building methods as I know everyone has different skill sets.

    You're not "just" saying at all: you're saying and drawing adverse inferences, and inviting others to do the same. And you do so repeatedly, and pointedly, in spite of the fact that it helps nobody at all. "Just saying".
    Think you are being paranoid here, I am sure we are all capable of drawing logical conclusions although the conclusions may differ and that's a good thing in general.
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  • Profile picture of the author zspuckl
    Well, thanks for all the feedback! Actually this isn't a big deal, I also work with another compay (Beachbody which does P90X, ISANITY, Etc) and I am working on creating a website to help me reach new potential clients! This could still be a good resource to arm myself with for that! As for the amazon sites, I will just focus on SEO, and backlinking for now, but thanks everyone!
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