Submit Articles to EzineArticles After Other Article Directories

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I saw it has been stressed many times by article experts here that articles should be published/indexed in my own blog before submitting to ezinearticles, I am just wondering if the same logic applies to other articles directories, i.e., --

Normally people would submit to ezinearticles first, but because ezine takes longer to approve, can I submit my articles to other article directories before ezine? Will there be any concern?

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author spa3212
    I don't think they check if it is on net or not, but yes they do check their database and it is automatic system as soon as you submit your article it will check if similar content is already on their database or not. But yes in the process of approval chances are they get your article already on net...
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      It is not a problem at all for EzineArticles in which order you submit to other article directories - although of course be sure articles are first indexed on your own site. As a personal preference, I actually don't use any other article directory besides EzineArticles, but it is almost always the last site to be submitted after publishing to other context-relevant sites, niche ezines, blogs, and offline publications.
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    • Profile picture of the author robestrong
      You're just doing it so Google knows that the article is YOURS. Besides that it doesn't matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by spa3212 View Post

    I don't think they check if it is on net or not
    They definitely do, and they explain why, openly. (It's not because they care whether it's previously been published: it's because they check author names/pen-names. It's one of the ways they try to avoid publishing stolen content.)

    Originally Posted by jerryji View Post

    I saw it has been stressed many times by article experts here that articles should be published/indexed in my own blog before submitting to ezinearticles
    They should be published and indexed on your own blog/site before submitting them anywhere else, not just to EZA.

    You wouldn't want to give an article directory the initial indexation-rights to your content? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

    Originally Posted by jerryji View Post

    Normally people would submit to ezinearticles first, but because ezine takes longer to approve, can I submit my articles to other article directories before ezine? Will there be any concern?
    None at all. (As long as the name/pen-name under which they're published anywhere else, your own site and/or other sites/blogs and/or other directories, matches the name/pen-name under which you submit them to EZA, obviously ... otherwise they'll wonder whether it's "stolen content"!).

    I happen to submit all mine to EZA last, and if you're syndicating articles to other niche sites/blogs, you might possibly prefer them not yet to be in EZA when you do(?), but from EZA's perspective it makes absolutely no difference at all, either way. They don't mind whether/where/how widely it's been published, and they say so.

    Be aware, though, that submission to EZA (and submission to other article directories, if you do that as well) is only an attempt at passive syndication: it can be good, and you can gain from it, but it can also be slow, unreliable and very variable.
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  • Profile picture of the author KWMM
    Ok, I am a little confused from all the things I’ve read on the web. It seems that most people use article directories for the purpose of SEO (link building), personally, this is the only reason one should use an article directory.

    Syndication

    If people are using article directories for syndication than that would, I think, be a mistake. Unless the article directory targets a specific niche. If your targeting a specific niche then it would make sense to post an article on one of these niche directories. This way, if you have something great to offer, other sites can use it for their own site that targets the same niche. Then they take that content and post it on their site for all their followers in that specific industry. This may result in great traffic increase. It would make more sense just to target those industries and post the content directly to that site..... if they allow it.

    Syndication in Googles eyes

    Syndication seems perfectly acceptable if your a news organization. Google seems to be ok with syndication. But syndication in the “news” has a real purpose. Yahoo, Google, Bing, Facebook and so many other sites syndicate content on their homepage. Since many people use Yahoo as their homepage, they get to see all the syndicated news. Again, it serves a purpose.

    Syndicating your own articles to article directories

    From what I’ve read, this is against what Google recommends as it is typically done for link manipulation. That is to say your submitting the same article to each and every article directory.

    So lets say you first post the article to your own website, then submit the same article to an article directory.

    Well, Google will attempt to submit one version of the article. It will choose to show the article you submitted to the directory or the version on your site in search results. In either case, one of those articles will never be displayed in search results. Therefore, Internet surfers will never see that version and never link to it. It will never receive a PageRank because people will never link to it... unless it receives internal PageRank from the article directory.

    If your syndicating your own content to several article directories you diminish the value of that directory. Only one directory will show in search results for that submission. Therefore, if you submitted that same content to 100 article directories, all of those pages will never be shown in search results. It should be assumed that links in those supplement pages will be diminished also.

    Since the article directory is now harboring hundreds of thousands of syndicated articles, internal PageRank will never happen. This is because PageRank has to divide into hundreds of thousands of pages. The directory now gets penalized because no one is linking to pages as all the pages are in the supplemental results.

    Listen, article marketing works. I’ve done well doing it. But I submit great high quality and original content to each one. You need to choose the best directories or even blogs. Ones with high quality standards. Ones that don’t accept syndicated content. Ones that only accept HIGH quality original content. This will drastically help you gain PageRank and rank for the specific keyword.

    From my experience and from what I’ve read. Submit an original, high quality article to each article directory..... if its for SEO purposes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      Ok, I am a little confused from all the things I’ve read on the web.
      Yes, clearly!

      I'm afraid your confusion shows in every paragraph you've written.

      The reason there are apparent conflicts in everything you've read online is that some of it was about "article marketing" and some was about "article directory marketing". And typically, the people writing about article directory marketing are not even aware that they're two different things. And as a result, they confuse other people, such as yourself.

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      It seems that most people use article directories for the purpose of SEO (link building), personally, this is the only reason one should use an article directory.
      This is both extremely misguided and completely wrong.

      Article directory backlinks are worthless. Google has made quite sure of that. Even as long ago as 2010, before all Google's 2011 series of "Panda updates" devalued the SEO potential of article directory backlinks so much, standard, established SEO-textbook writers were explaining in some detail why one would typically need many tens of thousands of those "backlinks" to confer the same linkjuice to your site's off-page SEO weighting as that arising from one backlink on a quality, relevant site. Nowadays, of course, the value of those backlinks has declined still further, as so many members attest to so regularly.

      It's easily enough verifiable for yourself, too.

      This isn't what article directories are for. These backlinks have no real value. They're all non-context-relevant (and PR-0) backlinks. As the saying goes "100,000 of those backlinks and $3.50 will buy you a cappuccino at Starbuck's".

      (And these days it will also get your site heavily penalized by Google's Penguin update, of course ).

      This thread might help you: How do Article Directories work?

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      If people are using article directories for syndication than that would, I think, be a mistake.
      People are using article directories as a stepping-stone toward achieiving syndication.

      That's why article directories exist.

      That's their sole purpose and function.


      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      So lets say you first post the article to your own website, then submit the same article to an article directory.

      Well, Google will attempt to submit one version of the article.
      Google will not "submit" any versions of the article.

      It will index all copies, and aims to show one in the main index and the remainder in the supplemental index (but doesn't always achieve that outcome).

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      From my experience and from what I’ve read. Submit an original, high quality article to each article directory..... if its for SEO purposes.
      This is completely wrong and extremely ill-advised.

      The people who do this are the ones starting all the threads with titles like "Is Article Marketing Dead?"

      It's dead for them (though they're actually talking about "article directory marketing", typically while referring to it as "article marketing").

      And the reason it's dead for them is they've submitted content not previously published to article directories. To express it very bluntly, it's just insane. They're consistently shooting themselves in the foot and they don't even realize that they're doing it to themselves. And then they discuss (what they mistakenly call) "article marketing" here, and say things like "It doesn't really work very well these days, does it?"

      Respectfully, it will help you a lot to read the following ...

      This little thread explains fairly succinctly why it's a big mistake to submit to an article directory any article that hasn't already been published and indexed on your own site: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

      In this much longer thread, a whole succession of experienced, professional article marketers explain all their shared reasons for never submitting to an article directory any article that hasn't already been published and indexed on their own site: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

      This single post explains fairly clearly why no article marketer should ever want to get potential customer traffic coming to his/her site from an article directory.

      And this single post, together with the links referenced inside it, explains how article directories work: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

      It makes no sense for marketers to try to use article directories for their backlinks or to give them any previously unpublished content. That isn't why they're there and it isn't how they work. Doing that can damage your business. It can't help it (compared with doing it the right way round).
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        "Article directory marketing" could also be called "article backlinking". The target is a mindless crawler (the search spider).

        "Article marketing" could also be called "chumming with content". Its purpose is to draw real human people from whereever they are to wher you want them to be, and have them arrive wanting more (which you happily supply, hopefully at a profit).
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    I personally don't think that it matters on which website you get your article on. I like to get my articles on my website first and then add them else where.

    One of the benefits of having the article on your website is that all the ads that you have on that page, you are going to benefit from them. With article directories, they get you published but if you take a look at the page as a WHOLE, they have their own ads (usually Google Adsense ads).

    They see your article but when they click on other stuff that is not related to you, then you are losing the battle.
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    • Profile picture of the author KWMM
      I agree, post great content to your website, but high quality content will never get you on first page of Google for a "competitive" keyword. Thus, you will need links. Links from other sites... article directories are some good choices.


      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      I personally don't think that it matters on which website you get your article on. I like to get my articles on my website first and then add them else where.

      One of the benefits of having the article on your website is that all the ads that you have on that page, you are going to benefit from them. With article directories, they get you published but if you take a look at the page as a WHOLE, they have their own ads (usually Google Adsense ads).

      They see your article but when they click on other stuff that is not related to you, then you are losing the battle.
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  • While I am intending to publish my articles into article directories, it is better that the article should be indexed by Google in my blog first and then I can submit that articles into article directories (as Alexa said). Does the article need no be changed a bit while submitting into the directories? Or the same article can be submitted with a link back to the original source?

    What if I copy an article from another blog to my blog and at the end of the article I give a link back to the original source? Will it be marked as copied content too?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Bonita T Josephson View Post

      Does the article need no be changed a bit while submitting into the directories?
      No, and it shouldn't be.

      (Except that you'll want to add for an article directory copy a "resource-box" which you don't need on your own site, because traffic reading it on your own site is "already there", of course).

      Originally Posted by Bonita T Josephson View Post

      Or the same article can be submitted with a link back to the original source?
      Not to the original source. Linking from one copy of an article to another copy of the same article is a recipe for losing traffic.

      "With a link back to your landing-page" is good.

      Originally Posted by Bonita T Josephson View Post

      What if I copy an article from another blog to my blog and at the end of the article I give a link back to the original source?
      Unless you have the copyright-owner's permission, that would be theft. You'd also be risking having a DMCA take-down notice served on your hosting company and losing your site!

      It's ok to take other people's articles from article directories (in accordance with the directory's terms of service), because that's what those copes are there for. By putting them in a directory the author is permitting other people to publish them (and indeed hoping that they will). But you mustn't take articles from people's blogs. Giving them a link does not make it any less of a breach of their copyright.
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  • Profile picture of the author KWMM
    If you were insinuating that article directory backlinks are all worthless than that is only your general opinion. It would also be fair to say that 99% of all blogs are useless for backlinks as well. And any other website. Google didn’t just penalize article directories. Thats evident just be reading all the post from users here.

    Almost all my articles I’ve posted on article directories have PageRank between 1to 3. There are some great ones on the web. Typically there the ones not on the common top 25 list which people create just to pull in visitor traffic.

    Yes, google will index all pages. But lets say you syndicated the same content to several different article directories which might be what the OP is referring to. Lets say you end up ranking for that keyword. This may be link manipulation in the eyes of Google.... if its all the same content or spun content. Then your competition reports you and Google devalues your site, but Google won’t devalue a site because you have a link on an article directory.

    This is why if you use article directories to publish content, it should be original. Google won’t penalize you for trying to brand your self on a few good article directories blogs etc... if you provide “value.”

    I would also say that 5% of people actually use article directories as stepping stones.

    Concerning the OP’s question, I think that the information I provided was helpful and offers insight, not misleading at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      If you were insinuating that article directory backlinks are all worthless than that is only your general opinion.
      Alas, no. It's also the general opinion of everyone who's actually making a living from article marketing, and the general opinion of all the standard SEO textbook writers, too.

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      It would also be fair to say that 99% of all blogs are useless for backlinks as well.
      Sorry, but again, this is completely wrong. (Please excuse my blunt wording).

      The linkjuice value of a backlink is determined now (as always, but even more so now) by the relevance of the site on which the backlink is situated to the site linked to (as determined by Google in its normal way, according to commonality of keywords/vocabulary and so on). And by some other factors, too, certainly, but principally by site-relevance.

      It is not fair to say that 99% of blog backlinks are worthless. This is, in fact, nonsense.

      If you have an "arthritis site", then backlinks from "arthritis blogs" are highly valuable. Backinks from "arthritis articles" in "general article directories" are worthless.

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      Google didn’t just penalize article directories.
      Agreed. But it greatly further diminished the already-almost-useless linkjuice value of articles in "general directories".

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      Almost all my articles I’ve posted on article directories have PageRank between 1to 3.
      If you want to imagine that that makes them significantly more valuable, be my guest. (But don't expect to be able to express that opinion here without people correcting it).

      We can all see for ourselves, from the ever-increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages are outranking higher-PR pages in Google's SERP's, that there's very little worth talking about, in that context.

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      Google won’t devalue a site because you have a link on an article directory.
      Agreed.

      Nevertheless, it will heavily penalize a site if there's been mass backlinking from article directories. Google has explained this openly. There are countless threads in the SEO folder here in which people explain how and why this has happened to them. Some of them even reprint emails which Google has (eventually!) sent them about this, explaining it further. There's no "big mystery" about it. Google announced pretty openly what they were going to do, and why, and then they did it, and then they commented on various specific effects it had, and why.

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      This is why if you use article directories to publish content, it should be original.
      This is just ludicrous. First, when you say "original", you actually mean "unique", in the sense of "not previously published". (I appreciate that, by your own admission above, you're very confused about this, but "original" and "unique" are actually two entirely different things - as both Google and Ezine Articles go to some lengths to explain on their respective blogs.)

      Secondly, I've already explained above, at some length and in some detail, with various references to other posts and threads some of which themselves contain links to Google's own websites/blogs, that submitting "unique content" to article directories is ... well, I used the word "insane", above, which was admittedly a little strongly worded. But to put it more mildly, it's based on a very fundamental misunderstanding of what an article directory is and what purposes it's able to fulfil for a marketer.

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      Google won’t penalize you for trying to brand your self on a few good article directories blogs etc... if you provide “value.”
      Certainly. Agreed.

      But that doesn't make it remotely sensible to give them the initial indexation-rights to content not yet published and indexed on your own site, and for all the reasons explained above, that can collectively damage your business, in the long run, compared with the situation which would result from doing this the right way round.

      Let me say this in very simple, unambiguous words: there aren't any circumstances in which your off-page SEO will benefit more by giving an article directory unique content than it will benefit by publishing it yourself first and then giving it to an article directory - and this is absolutely fundamental to any model of article marketing.

      To state the blindingly obvious: the value of a backlink is not determined by whether or not the content to which it's attached has previously been published!

      The discussions in the threads I've linked to above really will help and inform you a lot, but - as the saying goes - only if you're willing to read them rather than struggling to defend the bizarre assertion that it makes sense to put unique content in an article directory. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

      Originally Posted by KWMM View Post

      I would also say that 5% of people actually use article directories as stepping stones.
      Personally, I think you're exaggerating there (i.e. I think that number's not really as low as you claim - you're exaggerating the rarity), but neither of us can prove our opinions on this point, and I entirely accept the validity of the underlying point that many people (though admittedly not as many as previously) misuse article directories without understanding their functions, and suffer the consequences of so doing. It was ever thus.
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