The Paradox of the Scam

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I think one thing needs to be discussed here that I rarely see mentioned.

Confidence Men, or con men as they are called now, are only able to perpetrate their cons/scams on the internet largely because of your greed, risk-taking and self-deceptive behavior.

While virtually anyone can fall prey to fraudulent crimes, internet fraud victims are generally greedy, risk-taking, self-deceptive individuals looking to make a quick dollar. They seem to possess a level of greed which exceeds their caution as well as a willingness to believe what they want to believe.

Madoff was caught only because the recession dried up his feeder funds. No one wanted to believe he was a con man even when his deeds were delivered on a silver platter to the FCC more than 5 times over the course of a decade.

When someone like Madoff is finally exposed, people immediately rush to judgment and assume he is the bad guy and the rest are the vitims. The better lesson, however, might be for each so-called victim to look a real long look in the mirror and see if they were complicit.

We have con men amongst us right now salivating because they know some of you will do or become just about anyone to make a quick or easy buck.

In reality, the character of the con man and the con victim can be very similar. So, to condemn them may be to condemn yourselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I would argue that it's mentioned all the time. Really.

    People fall for that stuff,because they want to believe.

    HOWEVER, when it comes to scammers in the world of IM, it's not always about the greed of the victim. Sometimes the victim just wants to do things like replace the income of a job they just lost, or feed their family. I wouldn't call that greedy.

    Besides, when the point is made that the victims were greedy, that's why they fell for it - it kind of takes away from the fact that the con man (or woman) is a lying thief who deserves to be punished.

    Anyway, that's my take on it.

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    • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
      I agree, Michael. There are real victims, but not as many as claimed.

      There is no question that these people should be punished. However, their potential victim pool would be far smaller if people would examine their own ethics as well.

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    "she deserved it - she dresses like a slut" ???
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      "she deserved it - she dresses like a slut" ???
      You know what, Jason?

      I almost used a similar example. I may have worded it deifferently, but it was the same general idea.

      It's saying that because people are greedy they somehow deserve to be victims of crimes. And, yes, I understand the psychology behind it.

      Here's the thing. Maybe if people stopped saying, "the victims were greedy, that's why they fell for the scam" then it would be taken more seriously and happen less often.

      Again, I know part of the reason people fall for the scams is their own greed - BUT - they are not the ones commiting a crime.

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    • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      "she deserved it - she dresses like a slut" ???
      This is exactly what popped into my head when I read the OP.

      It doesn't matter what the psyche or motivation of the victim is (get rich quick or whatever). It's about the scumsucker that deliberately reels them in and takes advantage.

      You can't condemn someone for their less-than-savory thoughts or emotions. It's the folks who actually take steps to exploit others that deserve derision.

      The victims do not share the blame for the scammers' actions.

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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      True John.

      They do say you can't con an honest man - it's easy to rip off people that are looking to beat the system.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        True John.

        They do say you can't con an honest man - it's easy to rip off people that are looking to beat the system.
        Disagree, because there are also honest people being scammed online. These are people who want to do greedy things like replace income from a lost job, buy medication, and feed their families.

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  • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
    Yes, again there are honest people being duped. These are not the people I'm talking about.

    I'm talking about people are who are becoming pros at clamoring for their victim status. I am losing patience with mopping up after people who can't control their impulses and then want to blame everyone else when circumstances brought on by their own actions were the real cause.

    The psychology of the best scams require complicity. Many people have to feed their families and yet most people know better than to go and rob the grocery store. Why do some of these people fail to exercise the same retraint on the internet?

    Are all of you really trying to tell me there aren't MANY people who know better? If so, we are in even worse shape than I thought - WOW!

    I simply don't buy the argument that everyone who gets duped is a hungry choir boy trying to feed his family.
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  • Profile picture of the author hiphil
    What about phishing scams?

    These are usually targeted at anyone with a bank account. The greed (or otherwise) of the victim does not enter into the equation.
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    • Profile picture of the author jcaviani
      Okay, I've tried to make my point. This is starting to sound like Public Radio, where the story centers around the one victim they spend 3 weeks digging out of some mud hole somewhere and ignore the 500 thousand other jackasses who really knew better.
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