How can I attract affiates for my product just listed in Clickbank?

[johnfrem]

How can I attract affiliates for my product just listed in Click bank? I am offering 75%.

[johnfrem]

Ok that might work .... How do I find others outside my niche I have a small niche. I want to blitz many affiliates.

[Kyle Tully]

Originally Posted by johnfrem

I want o blitz many affiliates.

Yeah that always works.

People love being "blitzed".

[Odhinn]

Create your own promotional pages and promote your own affiliate links. By getting sales on your own this way, your product will rise in the Clickbank search engine and be seen by more potential affiliates. Once they see that your product has potential and sales you've made on your own, they'll start to come by on their own.

[johnfrem]

Originally Posted by Kyle Tully

Yeah that always works.

People love being "blitzed".

Ok I get your point.

I am just trying to learn, I have no idea what is right or wrong right now. Imagine your talking to your 5 year old kid. All I know is I want to find other people to promote my product and they will keep 75%. And I want to know whats the best way? I know I need to have affiliate resources like landing pages,banners,keywords. But I have no sales history. Whats the best way for me to find affiliates to promote my product. Thanks for the help in advance guys.

[johnfrem]

Originally Posted by MRRproducts

Make your sales page better, good affiliates choose products based on sales page. If your product is not converting, there is no point in having 100s of affiliates.

And if it is converting and I can promote it myself then I see no point in having 100s of affiliates promoting it when I can do the same myself. Having a good conversion and hundreds of affiliates is only going to attract people to the niche to recreate my product and over saturate the niche. Before long I will make no money.

[jasonl70]

Originally Posted by johnfrem

And if it is converting and I can promote it myself then I see no point in having 100s of affiliates promoting it when I can do the same myself. Having a good conversion and hundreds of affiliates is only going to attract people to the niche to recreate my product and over saturate the niche. Before long I will make no money.

lol.. that's not quite true

The more people out there promoting for you, the more you will sell.

I don't mean this is any sort of mean way, but if you really think a high conversion rate and 100's of affiliates promoting your product are a bad thing, you probably should spend a bit more time here learning the ropes.

[winebuddy]

set up 5 or 10 affiliate accounts at CB. Set up sales pages for every "affiliate". Drive traffic to all of them.

This will help your gravity. When other affiliates see your gravity increasing, they will try promoting your product.

[esr]

Originally Posted by winebuddy

set up 5 or 10 affiliate accounts at CB. Set up sales pages for every "affiliate". Drive traffic to all of them.

This will help your gravity. When other affiliates see your gravity increasing, they will try promoting your product.

What a great idea!

I can tell you that when I'm looking for a product on Clickbank, the ones that I look at first are those that offer a special link in the description for affiliates.

Obviously gravity and a good sales page is the most important, but I just love when I can go and get some good ready-made tools to promote a product.

[winebuddy]

Originally Posted by esr

What a great idea!

I can tell you that when I'm looking for a product on Clickbank, the ones that I look at first are those that offer a special link in the description for affiliates.

Obviously gravity and a good sales page is the most important, but I just love when I can go and get some good ready-made tools to promote a product.

What ESR says - have a separate page with articles and other affiliate tools. Rising gravity and affiliate tools are the 2 main things - in my opinion, that will get you more affiliates.

I am ranked numero uno in CB for a small niche product and have several hundred affiliates promoting it. All I have done is what's written above.

[gxd5]

Winebuddy, what kind of Affiliate Tools are the most interesting to affiliates? Can you elaborate on this please?

[william.jack38]

Email the customers about your new product, with some attractive banners and also offer them good discounts if they buy in 1 week or so.

[tx4closurepro]

you gotta have the affiliate resources but you also need a crisp-looking salespage with solid graphics... IMHO your banner isn't too hot and it's distorted (wrong size or something) but it would turn me off as an affiliate!

so if I were you I would have a fellow warrior design a nice header, footer and mini site graphics which should cost you no more than $60; that alone would drive more sales and interest more affiliates along with the other things shared thus far.

i wish you the best...

[Shlomi Khutoretsky]

make an affiliate section for your affiliates
help them make money and they will help you

[Chris Kent]

John, assuming you have a basic affiliate page already set up, now you gotta go out there and email people individually.

As an example, I sent some emails on Friday (about 20) and I already signed up a real "superaffiliate" who has already sent me 2 sales yesterday.

Use google and keyword searches to find affiliates:
- using PPC
- using regular SEO

and who are promoting:
- competitor products in your niche
- other CB products generally

Also, list builders in your niche are great. Use these keywords in Google:

<niche> name email never -comments

You can try adding tips or newsletter too.

[Nic Lynn]

Originally Posted by johnfrem

And if it is converting and I can promote it myself then I see no point in having 100s of affiliates promoting it when I can do the same myself. Having a good conversion and hundreds of affiliates is only going to attract people to the niche to recreate my product and over saturate the niche. Before long I will make no money.

This is a volume game, brother! You might be good, but you can't cover the entire Internet. You NEED affiliates (and that's why you should pay them 75%).

[Lokesh Sharma]

Originally Posted by johnfrem

And if it is converting and I can promote it myself then I see no point in having 100s of affiliates promoting it when I can do the same myself. Having a good conversion and hundreds of affiliates is only going to attract people to the niche to recreate my product and over saturate the niche. Before long I will make no money.

lol, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard!

You won't make a million dollar yourself because you're paranoid. You're more worried about those blackhatters who would copy your idea to make a couple of thousand bucks?

- Lokesh Sharma

[Alexa Smith]

"Gravity" is widely misunderstood and overinterpreted. It's true, though, that many affiliates will make the mistake of becoming more interested in a product with a higher gravity.

Arguably, though, the single biggest thing one can do, at the moment, to increase affiliate numbers, is to take your product away from Clickbank and sell it elsewhere, because that's (understandably) what so many affiliates are increasingly doing, to secure their own incomes. Maybe to attract a lot of affiliates, you have to go where the affiliates want to be able to promote and sell without so much justified fear of losing their commissions, rather than hoping to attract them back to Clickbank in order to promote your product? Some product creators certainly believe so, anyway. Just a thought.

[TrafficMystic]

Originally Posted by winebuddy

set up 5 or 10 affiliate accounts at CB. Set up sales pages for every "affiliate". Drive traffic to all of them.

This will help your gravity. When other affiliates see your gravity increasing, they will try promoting your product.

This is exactly what jeff johnson recommends... but he recommends creating around 20 affiliates through proxies... and even getting some sales through those affiliates ie.. buying some yourself on different paypal accounts or credit cards...

[iTechSolutions]

Search forums and google for JV's.
There are membership sites who announce your product to their mailing list of affiliates and they sign up to promote your product.

[Michael Lee]

Originally Posted by johnfrem

How can I attract affiliates for my product just listed in Click bank? I am offering 75%.

Since it's a Clickbank product, advertise at ClickBankSuccessForum.com :: Index

CB affiliates are hanging out there all the time.

You could also write articles about affiliate marketing and promote your affiliate program in the resource box.

You could also write to other marketers and ask them to recommend your aff program to their affiliate list (ad swap or cash payment).

[jasonl70]

the problem with setting up mutliple CB accounts to manipulate your gravity is that each one will have to meet the minimum requirements for CB to pay you

[jasonl70]

here's why I would not consider promoting it:

the page is formatted poorly. the content is wider then the header.

the testimonials strike me as fake since they do not have full names.

the sales copy needs work.. it's all feature based, not benefits (tell me about how even the uggliest bastard is popular with the ladies when he's a bartender ). It's all bold. The first few paragraphs don't read easily - sentences run on, etc.

These issues would prevent me from sending traffic to it, as I would feel that the site just wouldn't convert.

[Chris Kent]

Originally Posted by alexa_s

Arguably, though, the single biggest thing one can do, at the moment, to increase affiliate numbers, is to take your product away from Clickbank and sell it elsewhere, because that's (understandably) what so many affiliates are increasingly doing, to secure their own incomes. Maybe to attract a lot of affiliates, you have to go where the affiliates want to be able to promote and sell without so much justified fear of losing their commissions, rather than hoping to attract them back to Clickbank in order to promote your product? Some product creators certainly believe so, anyway. Just a thought.

You're right, that is arguable.

Clickbank may have a few problems, enough to disuade a small minority, but let's be clear here - it still has over 100,000 affiliates (not dormant) and CB turns over $1m every day. It is still a superb platform used by many, many affiliates.

[johnfrem]

Originally Posted by jasonl70

here's why I would not consider promoting it:

the page is formatted poorly. the content is wider then the header.

the testimonials strike me as fake since they do not have full names.

the sales copy needs work.. it's all feature based, not benefits (tell me about how even the uggliest bastard is popular with the ladies when he's a bartender ). It's all bold. The first few paragraphs don't read easily - sentences run on, etc.

These issues would prevent me from sending traffic to it, as I would feel that the site just wouldn't convert.

Originally Posted by tx4closurepro

you gotta have the affiliate resources but you also need a crisp-looking salespage with solid graphics... IMHO your banner isn't too hot and it's distorted (wrong size or something) but it would turn me off as an affiliate!

so if I were you I would have a fellow warrior design a nice header, footer and mini site graphics which should cost you no more than $60; that alone would drive more sales and interest more affiliates along with the other things shared thus far.

i wish you the best...

Thanks for these thoughts. But I realized I had my sig pointing to a test landing page which was the white background. I changed it back to my normal landing page however I know this landing page also needs lots of work as well. Would you mind leaving your comments about this page?

[sfive]

very useful discussion thanks

[mrmatt]

It's a pretty cool looking site. I do have some suggestions.

Your copy is hard to read with it being white and black. The letters actually seem to glow. I think the font is too small. Before anyone makes a crack about me needing glasses I am wearing them right now.

The lay out is busy and confusing. One moment I am reading your copy the next I am looking at your opt in and then your price and then back to the copy and then I get distracted by your testimonials and then back to the copy. I would work on your sites flow.

I wish you the best of luck.
Matt

[Chris Thompson]

JohnFrem - how much of your product concept came from the AudioMixologist? I know he (Dave) was the first ever to create such a product. He showed it off at the 4 hour work week forums a while ago. To be clear, I am not flaming. Competition is fair game.

[nick1123]

How is your conversion rate? Whenever someone asks me to promote a product I will want to know what the conversion rate is of the sales page before I spend any of my time or money trying to promote their product.

If you don't know what your conversion rate is and haven't tested to optimize your sales page you're going to have a difficult time recruiting affiliates.

[Mr McDonald]

How about advertising a competition for your top affiliate?? People love to beat the competition.

Best wishes

[Mr McDonald]

Write ads and articles with keywords related to your product which will drive traffic to your site. Another way to increase traffic is to have links to other sites. Remember to use the best keywords for your targeted market on your website or sales page and choose your domain name wisely. You can also try writing articles and submitting them to related e-zines. When you do this always make sure your articles are filled with quality content. This will pique interest and the articles can include your bylines at the bottom. Then whenever someone reads your article they will be exposed to a link to your website.

[a2zwebs]

Originally Posted by johnfrem

And if it is converting and I can promote it myself then I see no point in having 100s of affiliates promoting it when I can do the same myself. Having a good conversion and hundreds of affiliates is only going to attract people to the niche to recreate my product and over saturate the niche. Before long I will make no money.

Just to comment on the above, If the marketplace starts to get more "aware" of the product / service then a little competition could be a good thing, because most people don't buy on the first visit. You may end up getting buyers from your competitors, who just weren't in the "buying" mode when they visited their sites.

[TimGross]

There are some good suggestions in this thread, and some good challenges of suggestions as well, a healthy debate...

One of the most important things (mentioned by a couple of others earlier in this thread) is knowing your sales letter conversion numbers BEFORE trying to get affiliates on CB.

The last product I helped a client put on Clickbank, I created an affiliate page on their site with multiple affiliate promotional materials, listed the pre-established conversion rate in the Clickbank affiliate description itself, and a month later without doing any extra promotion, there were a lot of Clickbank affiliates promoting the product, even running Google Adwords for related keywords.

(Side Note: If I'd had the time, the next thing to do would have been to contact possible affiliates ASAP to get them to promote, but this was a quickie deal)

If you THINK your sales letter is good but you don't already have any conversion stats, odds are, it's probably NOT good... and experienced affiliates will be able to tell.

I recently wrote an article about creating a sales process for the purpose of gaining affiliates versus just selling to customers, and you may find it useful:

Writing Your Sales Page For Affiliates, NOT Customers | Tim Gross: Internet Business Blog

You're asking good questions, I hope the feedback you're getting in this thread will help; Best of luck to you.
-Tim

[Nathan Denton]

Great point Tim. knowing your conversion rate is one of the single most important aspects you need to have your head around to attract high performing affiliates. once known, I would make this the focus of any approaches you make to prospective affiliates.

i.e My site converts at 4.5% - you want in??

[clever7]

This is a very interesting discussion, and I’m learning with everyone’s answers. I want to find many affiliates that will really promote my ebooks too, but nothing is really simple… They need the right audience.

[fxteam]

John,

When I launched my first ebook I took massive action. I developed a killer affiliate page with all the promotional items my affiliates could ask for. From there i went to all the major players in my niche and sent them emails regarding my product and a review copy so they could see what I was selling was a valuable product for their list. Then I purchased a few traffic sources and wrote up a few articles and presto. I had over 3k sales in my cb account. Bottom line u gotta take action and get your product seen by other players in your niche and get some good self promotion going. Good luck with your product.

Regards,
Eric

[Mike Hill]

Originally Posted by Chris Thompson

JohnFrem - how much of your product concept came from the AudioMixologist? I know he (Dave) was the first ever to create such a product. He showed it off at the 4 hour work week forums a while ago. To be clear, I am not flaming. Competition is fair game.

Striking similarities for sure... Right down to the disguised headlines (replacing on word for another) Even the price is the same. Audio categories are the same, just in a different order and wouldn't you know it they are laid out the same but with a different tab color..

And the black background with the white text... You guessed it... same!

Mike Hill

[easybiztools]

Hi John,

Here's another tip ... look for merchants selling the physical products, e.g. bar-stools, etc. (you can usually find them in affiliate networks such as CJ, Linkshare, shareasale, etc)

Offer them a special report with their affiliate link embedded so that they can offer it to their website visitors, etc.

No extra work on their part, they add more value to their website visitors and more exposure/sales for your site.

Best wishes,
Adrian

[pennyclaire]

Search forums and google for JV's.
There are membership sites who announce your product to their mailing list of affiliates and they sign up to promote your product.

this sounds great, can you provide some more information about where we can find these membership sites?

[ncmedia]

If you have no sales history than how can you even prove that your product a) will convert b) will stick (no refunds) c) create customer satisfaction d) is a brand both affiliates and customers can trust?

*Make some internal sales to prove the whole idea behind your 'making teh moniezes' way works for you before relying on others.

*Use other owned CB accounts to influx gravity.

*Get the CBID rotator script

*Once you make sales, show stats and conversions, perhaps in a proper JV/AFFILIATES WANTED thread like you see here at the JV section, and on countless other marketing forums that cater to aff marketing.

*Get your program listed on directories.

*Advertise on relative sites - speaking of which, I own NicheJunky - Clickbank Trends & Analytics - Improve Your Clickbank Income - Home if you want adspace let me know I'll give you a deal.

*Approach competing products affiliates manually with a canned email + incentive (switch to my program I'll pay you more + bonus et al).

*There's a few million marketers online spread out over the top dozen or so top M forums online, get creative!

*Create contests and loyalty programs for your team.

*Offer BIG JV's 90-95% (paypal side bonus) just to get the word out about your prod.

*Give your product away (xxx copies) to create awareness, include your aff program on the last page or as a 'start your own x business' word.doc included in your product.

*Get as many people as you can to buy through their own link, and refund them on the side (buying gravity basically).

*Simply think outside the box, when a guru launches a big product and gravity goes to 500, the real numbers are more like 400 of them are CB'ers buying with their own link, 50 of them are CBID rotator scripts and or influenced tricks like above, and 50 are real aff sales (just as an example).

Cheers to gravity - what usually happens though - back to your original need for concern - your product: If the product sucks and or the offer doesn't convert naturally after you've done all your trickery, your gravity will quickly slide down back to zero and then NOBODY will touch it - so increment your influence to create natural looking growth, or even better - create a slamming product with slamming marketing that gets real slamming results/conversions and you won't have to do much more than test a few campaigns and show some conversions to the warriors, dp heads, ewealthers, and any other communities that will eat up real/natural growing programs.

N.