Re-Writing Content. Ethical?

by NA5H3R
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Hey guys quick question, Is it ethical to re-write someones, article, blog post or product?

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#content #ethical #rewriting
  • Profile picture of the author Michelle Strait
    You can use it for research, but I don't think it's a good idea to simply rewrite it word-by-word. If it's PLR, then yes, it's fine to rewrite because that's what PLR is for.
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    Yeah sure, atleast you're rewriting it. It would be unethical to just copy it and use it because that's kinda stealing.

    Plus if you don't feel comfortable with rewriting somebody's article, you can always rewrite plr articles. For those you actually own the rights to do with them whatever you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    There is a saying that goes "if you need to ask you already know it isn't..."
    :rolleyes:

    It would also depend what did you mean by 're-writing'. If I re-write a Hemingway novel how much do I need to change so that you wouldn't accuse me of plagiarism?
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  • Profile picture of the author adsassist
    If your just looking at it for inspiration, I think it would be fine to rewrite it in your own words. Your words might be better then the original.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

    Hey guys quick question, Is it ethical to re-write someones, article, blog post or product?
    No. It isn't ethical, and it isn't moral, and (although I'm not a lawyer) I believe it isn't even legal, either: that would be a "derivative work", according to the law of copyright in most countries, I think.

    If you're promoting a product, it's a good idea to ask the vendor/merchant which parts of his own materials you can and can't use with/without re-wording it, though: permission may often be given, or on the other hand they may have firm policies of which it can only help you to be aware. Clarity's always better than guesses.

    Remember that unqualified people telling you casually, in a forum, that "I think it would be fine" won't still be there to support you if/when the legal documents hit your mailbox: they'll be off "advising" someone else, by then.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Desi
      No - for many, many reasons as already addressed above
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      • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
        From my point it's ethical. To copy it's 1 thing, to re-write it's another.

        If everyone would have their own right on the information from their website we would have just 1% of the current websites active.

        If content is owned by why writes it, the information, especially on the internet, it's open source. Re-writing means use that information and write with your own words.
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  • Profile picture of the author adsassist
    I really don't see how this is wrong to do.

    For an example - People that are teaching others how to make money online had to learn it from somewhere. They are re-writing the idea in their own words.
    People look at other pages to get inspiration to make their own.

    If I made a software that 100% guarantees for you to make money and it did work. You better believe someone would reverse engineer that software, change it to their liking. Make it look completely different but still have the same end result.

    Its like cell phones. Do you really think Apple is not looking at Androids phones for inspiration to make theirs better?

    To me, that's just business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by adsassist View Post

      I really don't see how this is wrong to do.

      For an example - People that are teaching others how to make money online had to learn it from somewhere. They are re-writing the idea in their own words.
      People look at other pages to get inspiration to make their own.

      If I made a software that 100% guarantees for you to make money and it did work. You better believe someone would reverse engineer that software, change it to their liking. Make it look completely different but still have the same end result.

      Its like cell phones. Do you really think Apple is not looking at Androids phones for inspiration to make theirs better?

      To me, that's just business.
      The question wasn't "is it alright to do market research, and come up with a better product than the competition, taking into account all you can glean about the competition's product/s?"

      The question can be paraphrased this way: "is it okay to steal someone else's content if I disguise it by rephrasing the entire thing?"

      That isn't "just business", unless you're in the business of theft. With attitudes like yours, is it any wonder people do not want to reveal their money sites for the bottom feeders among us to copy?
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      • Profile picture of the author adsassist
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        The question wasn't "is it alright to do market research, and come up with a better product than the competition, taking into account all you can glean about the competition's product/s?"

        The question can be paraphrased this way: "is it okay to steal someone else's content if I disguise it by rephrasing the entire thing?"

        That isn't "just business", unless you're in the business of theft. With attitudes like yours, is it any wonder people do not want to reveal their money sites for the bottom feeders among us to copy?
        Woah Woah Woah, One thing you need to understand. Content is a product. If you would like, I can show you many milti-million dollar sites where content is the number one "product" they are selling. One site comes to mind, the site you are on, the WF :confused:

        Say you wrote about "making money online". Then I read what you wrote and it was confusing. So I research to get an understanding, then I look at your article, point out the key points that I need to change and put into my own words. I could be keeping your article around because I like the lay out, the way it is formatted. Who knows, there could be many reasons.

        With the OP, he did NOT say anything about stealing. That is you typing words on his behalf which is more wrong then re-wording something. His exact headline is "Re-Writing Content. Ethical?".

        Lets just get the definition of rewriting.

        re·write (r-rt)
        v. re·wrote (-rt), re·writ·ten (-rtn), re·writ·ing, re·writes
        v.tr.
        1. To write again, especially in a different or improved form; revise.
        2. To put (material submitted to a newspaper or magazine) in a form suitable for publishing.
        3. Computer Science To save (a usually altered file) over its most recent version in the same storage location.
        v.intr.
        To make revisions in written material.
        n. (rrt)
        1. The act or an instance of rewriting.
        2. Something rewritten.

        Just to clear somethings up here.
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  • Profile picture of the author mostafa999
    Write it in you own words and add you touch don't just copy paste
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  • Profile picture of the author sonas
    Re-writing to re-tell a story in your own unique words and way is perfectly fine in my view.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    It's a grey area. If the article contains some useful information I will usually rewrite it. I don't think it is a good idea to rewrite the whole article just rewrite the most interesting portions. Of course, if you really want your article to be unique you will have to conduct a lot of research for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by adsassist View Post

      I really don't see how this is wrong to do.

      For an example - People that are teaching others how to make money online had to learn it from somewhere. They are re-writing the idea in their own words.
      Explaining an idea or concept in your own words is a different thing from rewording someone else's explanation. Surely you can see the difference?

      Originally Posted by Maecenas23 View Post

      If content is owned by why writes it, the information, especially on the internet, it's open source.
      This is one of the silliest comments I've seen on the boards in a long time - and I've seen some really silly comments.
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      • Profile picture of the author adsassist
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Explaining an idea or concept in your own words is a different thing from rewording someone else's explanation. Surely you can see the difference?

        In order for you to re-write an idea you have to have a good understanding on the subject. If you don't, you couldn't re-write it.

        You would be changing words around to make it look different when it is not. With the OP he is asking is it ok to re-write. In my mind, in order to re-write something, you have an understanding on what your writing about. Meaning the content is 100% his wording from someone else's explanation.

        Changing words around is not re-writing and is wrong. Understanding someones explanation and writing it in your own words is re-writing. I see this to be perfectly fine to do.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

          Hey guys quick question, Is it ethical to re-write someones, article, blog post or product?

          Regards
          Quick answer? NO.

          Originally Posted by adsassist View Post

          I really don't see how this is wrong to do.

          For an example - People that are teaching others how to make money online had to learn it from somewhere. They are re-writing the idea in their own words.
          People look at other pages to get inspiration to make their own.

          If I made a software that 100% guarantees for you to make money and it did work. You better believe someone would reverse engineer that software, change it to their liking. Make it look completely different but still have the same end result.

          Its like cell phones. Do you really think Apple is not looking at Androids phones for inspiration to make theirs better?

          To me, that's just business.
          As Tina mentioned, there's a difference between explaining something you've learned using your own words and perspective and the kind of 'rewriting' that most who ask this question are referring to.

          Originally Posted by adsassist View Post

          In order for you to re-write an idea you have to have a good understanding on the subject. If you don't, you couldn't re-write it.

          You would be changing words around to make it look different when it is not. With the OP he is asking is it ok to re-write. In my mind, in order to re-write something, you have an understanding on what your writing about. Meaning the content is 100% his wording from someone else's explanation.

          Changing words around is not re-writing and is wrong. Understanding someones explanation and writing it in your own words is re-writing. I see this to be perfectly fine to do.
          OK, the difference lies in the definition of "rewriting."

          I'm glad you clarified your definition.

          You'd be amazed how many clowns out there think that taking an article on training German Shepherds and changing the word to Poodle is rewriting the article. There are even manuals floating around with the ridiculous idea that anything published on the Internet is somehow "open source" and idiots who want to believe it...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Originally Posted by adsassist View Post

          Changing words around is not re-writing and is wrong. Understanding someones explanation and writing it in your own words is re-writing. I see this to be perfectly fine to do.
          Okay, apparently we're using different terminology. Most people seem to think of rewriting as taking someone else's words and redoing them to sound 'unique'. Paraphrasing, in other words.
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      • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Explaining an idea or concept in your own words is a different thing from rewording someone else's explanation. Surely you can see the difference?

        This is one of the silliest comments I've seen on the boards in a long time - and I've seen some really silly comments.
        You can read information from a lot of websites you are not owning right? That means information is available to everyone.

        After you read that information can you re-write it with your own words? Yes you can. Is there any problem? No, there isn't because even when you are making research, you are doing the same thing: search, find, understand, re-write and post.

        What is not clear?
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        • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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          Originally Posted by Maecenas23 View Post

          After you read that information can you re-write it with your own words? Yes you can. Is there any problem? No, there isn't because even when you are making research, you are doing the same thing: search, find, understand, re-write and post.
          That is simply NOT TRUE. Why don't you read up on communication law? Then you wouldn't make an ignorant comment like that. Your comment would only be true if you were operating under "fair use", in which case you could not be using that content (re-written or otherwise) for commercial purposes. Since you are probably trying to make money with any content you try to "re-write", that is not only unethical, it is illegal under US laws. (and I'm sure other countries as well)

          Go ahead and talk to a lawyer, they'll set you straight.
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          • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
            Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

            That is simply NOT TRUE. Why don't you read up on communication law? Then you wouldn't make an ignorant comment like that. Your comment would only be true if you were operating under "fair use", in which case you could not be using that content (re-written or otherwise) for commercial purposes. Since you are probably trying to make money with any content you try to "re-write", that is not only unethical, it is illegal under US laws. (and I'm sure other countries as well)

            Go ahead and talk to a lawyer, they'll set you straight.
            So if on website X there is the following phrase:

            "Acne is a type of skin ailment which engages the oil glands of your skin. Though it is not so dangerous, it can leave scars on your skin. Our skin has some tiny pores that are connected to oil glands present under the skin. The oil glands and the pores are connected through tiny canals known as follicles. The glands produce an oily liquid known as sebum which carries dead skin via follicles to your skin surface. It can lead to pimples when the follicles are blocked."

            and I re-write it:

            " Acne is currently one of the biggest problems because it affects your skin in a drastical manner. Acne usually affects the tiny pores which have a molecular connection with the oil gland situated under the skin. (...)

            this is illegal and unethical right?

            P.S. I gave just a passage to make an idea of what I am trying to say . For the good of the example you can consider the whole article is re-written in that way.

            P.S.2. Please ignore the stupidy of the information from those 3 lines. It was gave to highlight the argument.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              If you plan to do research and then rewrite someone else's article...

              ....why don't you do the research and write your OWN article to begin with?

              You can explain and rephrase but 95% (another made up statistic) of the people reading these responses will say "oh good, it's ok to change around the words and sentences of content SOMEONE ELSE TOOK THE TIME TO RESEARCH AND WRITE.

              And they'll get something like the acne example - which tried to write around a few phrases and ended up with words like "drastical" and "molecular connection" (could it be at the cellular level rather than molecular?).

              The OP didn't ask about news or mention research...he asked if it is OK to rewrite someone else's article, blog post or "product".

              No, it isn't OK but several answers in this thread demonstrate why copyright violations have become rampant in IM.

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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonfirst
    A research is what you should do, and not just re-write the content of some one else. However, if you plan to use content from someone else in your site, it should have a reference or a link back to the author.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    Nope. If you use an idea or fact, give proper attribution via citation. I like endnotes.

    You can write much better content that's unique referencing multiple sources and stating your own premises/conclusions/opinions based on your experience and/or research.

    For example, if you write an article on "how to train and complete a 5 mile running race" you will do the best job if you train and complete the race. Then write your article setting out your training regimen including your training data and of course your race experience.

    You could briefly mention other training regimens published online, but link to them. The article could turn into a full niche site or series setting out your apparel, footwear, supplements, progress to longer races, training guide(s) you used, etc.

    Tim Ferriss built a mini-empire blogging about his personal achievements, which results in unique and interesting content.

    I generally start an article with an outline so I know where I'm going. I adjust it as I go along. Often I seek out studies and authoritative articles to source in support of points I make or to provide a contrary opinion. I source these resources.

    It's amazing how much traffic you can generate from a very well-written and referenced article that is unique and provides information not found elsewhere. Given the amount of poorly written and rehashed content on the web, it isn't hard to create standout material.

    Toss in one or a few images (I always use DepositPhotos.com) and you're all set. If you really want to go the distance, add an infographic and video for sharing and distribution.
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  • Profile picture of the author adsassist
    Very good.

    Hopefully people will see this thread and understand what rewriting is.

    Like some people said in the posts above. "Research" I think that goes alone with rewriting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
    Aside from the ethical considerations, there's another point to consider about "rewriting" (which is really just a form of spinning as most internet marketers use the term). If all you ever do is re-word other people's stuff, you're not adding value. If you don't add value, there's no reason for people to buy whatever it is that you're selling, and so you will not succeed in IM.

    Good, original writing takes time and personal knowledge of the subject. It's not easy, but as jgant said above ("It's amazing how much traffic you can generate from a very well-written and referenced article that is unique and provides information not found elsewhere."), the rewards are substantial.
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  • Profile picture of the author robingg14
    Yes... really... is there anything that is truly original? Isn't every article basically a rewrite? In order not to rewrite we would have to be writing about something that's never been written about before. I am a skating choreographer and although I consider my works to be original, I acknowledge the building blocks have all been used before. The same goes for writing...
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  • Profile picture of the author edd666666
    There are no new ideas in the world at this point. Copying word for word in a no no of course, but taking an idea and rewriting it in your own words is fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Please hit the "thanks" button if this comment helped you.
    It didn't: you did not add anything new and/or worth reading... You didn't even "rewrite" it
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtye
    Yes of course it is ok as long as you re-write it so that 60% is now original content.
    If you have done a degree or any kind of thesis then that is exactly what you are doing when researching - it's all been written before by someone else but just not the way you would have written it.
    If you just copy and paste it or make very minor changes and call it a different name then you will be breaching copyright which is a very bad idea!
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Yes of course it is ok as long as you re-write it so that 60% is now original content.
    Aha... 98.2% of the internet statistics are pure fiction
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  • Profile picture of the author mattjay
    i think this thread describes a whole ton of wsos that come out I know in the past i was "coached" in the "method" to creating my own wso
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  • Profile picture of the author ExpertSEOServices
    If you are re writing by taking elements of the article on content and mixing it with other ideas and research then yes its ethical

    Don't re write it word for word
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    Originally Posted by NA5H3R View Post

    Hey guys quick question, Is it ethical to re-write someones, article, blog post or product?
    No, it isn't ethical and it isn't legal in the US either. (according to the letter of the law) That being said, there are a few exceptions to derivative works. I imagine that what you're thinking of doing won't fall into this category though, so my advice to you is to stay away.
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  • Profile picture of the author adsassist
    Here is a suggestion.

    If you personally have not experienced it, don't write about it.

    That is the best way to make sure you are doing the right thing. You will also be confident in your words were the article will be fabulous.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by adsassist View Post

      Here is a suggestion.

      If you personally have not experienced it, don't write about it.

      That is the best way to make sure you are doing the right thing. You will also be confident in your words were the article will be fabulous.
      While I do think writing from one's own experience can produce some of the best content possible, avoiding writing anything but that is overly restrictive.

      There are many people who are good at researching and writing; some very good content might not exist if we all had a rule that forbade us writing from anything but personal experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author adsassist
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        While I do think writing from one's own experience can produce some of the best content possible, avoiding writing anything but that is overly restrictive.

        There are many people who are good at researching and writing; some very good content might not exist if we all had a rule that forbade us writing from anything but personal experience.
        This is very true. I was saying this on the contents of this thread. If you have to ask if rewriting is ok, its better to write about personal experience. You probably wouldn't even know your doing plagiarism. Its more less, better to be safe then sorry.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by adsassist View Post

          Woah Woah Woah, One thing you need to understand. Content is a product. If you would like, I can show you many milti-million dollar sites where content is the number one "product" they are selling. One site comes to mind, the site you are on, the WF :confused:

          Say you wrote about "making money online". Then I read what you wrote and it was confusing. So I research to get an understanding, then I look at your article, point out the key points that I need to change and put into my own words. I could be keeping your article around because I like the lay out, the way it is formatted. Who knows, there could be many reasons.

          With the OP, he did NOT say anything about stealing. That is you typing words on his behalf which is more wrong then re-wording something. His exact headline is "Re-Writing Content. Ethical?".

          Lets just get the definition of rewriting.

          re·write (r-rt)
          v. re·wrote (-rt), re·writ·ten (-rtn), re·writ·ing, re·writes
          v.tr.
          1. To write again, especially in a different or improved form; revise.
          2. To put (material submitted to a newspaper or magazine) in a form suitable for publishing.
          3. Computer Science To save (a usually altered file) over its most recent version in the same storage location.
          v.intr.
          To make revisions in written material.
          n. (rrt)
          1. The act or an instance of rewriting.
          2. Something rewritten.

          Just to clear somethings up here.
          Did you quote a dictionary, minus the citation, or did you 'rewrite' one to suit the point you want to make? :confused:

          Either way, since the OP hasn't returned to clarify things, we have to go on interpretation based on prior experience. And prior experience with this particular subject suggests that the OP has gotten some advice to just take someone else's content and change a few of the words around before claiming it as his own.

          Based on prior threads with the 'is this ethical' topic, most of the time the OP already knows a given practice is unethical to most people. They post looking for two things. One, can they get away with it, and what are the potential consequences of getting caught. Or two, they're looking for someone to pat them on the head and say 'don't worry, everybody does it'.

          Unless and until the OP returns to clarify his intent, we're pretty much at a stalemate. We're left with the unsatisfying answer of "it depends on what you mean by re-writing."
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    There is an old academic idea that may help:

    Putting arguments from one book into your own words is plagiarism. Putting arguments from multiple books into your own words is research.

    Hope that helps
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    • Profile picture of the author donhx
      Rewrites are totally legitimate. It is the foundation of the news business. A news organization receives news from wire services, companies and individuals, and they are rewritten with a local slant.

      However, learn what rewriting really is. It is not paraphrasing, it is adding value. To make sure you are not just plagiarizing someone else, use a service like The Plagiarism Checker.
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by donhx;7607995[
        To make sure you are not just plagiarizing someone else, use a service like [URL="http://www.dustball.com/cs/plagiarism.checker/"

        The Plagiarism Checker[/URL].
        I pasted some articles I found on the web into the form on that site and it said "Results: No plagiarism suspected". So that site doesn't really work when it comes to making sure some text isn't plagiarized.
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        • Profile picture of the author robestrong
          Word for word? Definitely unethical. Sentence for sentence? Slightly less so. Concept by concept, far less so.

          If I ever have to do this, I just read a bunch about several key concepts and then distill the concepts rather than rewriting any single source. I suppose that's just called writing a normal content.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    It depends on what kind of ethics your mama instilled in you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Green Moon
    I think rewriting an article is unethical. It is also lazy. If you can't take at least 2 or 3 different sources on a topic and synthesize the content into a new article with your own spin on which parts of the originals should be retained and rewritten, then you should find a different business.

    That said, there may be some limited exceptions. If you took an article that contained basic factual information on a topic that was written in overly technical jargon and rewrote the facts in a way that a non-technical reader could understand it, I can see an argument that would not be unethical. Rather that taking the original author's ideas and converting them to your own language, you would be taking a basic collection of facts and rewriting them. If there was very little creativity in selecting the facts, your creative contribution could be more valuable than the contribution of the original author. A basic recipe for fudge brownies would be an example of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicole K
    Rewriting an article is taking someone else's ideas and putting them into your own words. Some may call it unethical but then you get most of your ideas by searching on the web.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by Nicole K View Post

      Rewriting an article is taking someone else's ideas and putting them into your own words. Some may call it unethical but then you get most of your ideas by searching on the web.
      Some call it that because it is. I can see how it's a bit confusing because we all take ideas from here and there almost every time we form a thought.

      It is one thing however, to be influenced by all you read, and another entirely to do what the op asked about; take one piece by one writer, and set out to simply rewrite that one piece. If you do that, permission is needed, and credit should be given.

      Why would you claim that everyone gets most of their ideas from searching the web? Some of us still have lives offline, read real books and periodicals, talk to real people, and have even formed much of our thinking before there was a web.

      Not that it's really relevant to the fact that it's unethical to take someone else's work, rewrite it and pass it off as your original material.
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  • Profile picture of the author sndas
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    Rewriting contents is quite hard to make it look like unique.
    Better to write original than rewrite.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArielT
    Depends on whether is an informative article or an original work. In the first case I think no problem because anyone can inform the same, and in the second case I think is not ethical
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  • Profile picture of the author DGFletcher
    According to Brainyquote: "If you steal from one author it's plagiarism; if you steal from many it's research. --Wilson Mizner"

    I usually take that as my guide for whether or not it's ethical or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rachel McKnight
    I usually extract the best and most appealing points in an article and rewrite them in my own words and structure.

    Think about it, most "original" content are based off what you read from all kinds of sources anyway, magazines, the Internet, newspapers, books. So essentially, everyone's just rewriting content they've learned from elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author RachelLily
    I would say rewriting articles from other sites inst "stealing content" . Irritating yes, but everybody takes everybody else's good ideas and puts on a fresh coat of paint. The step-by-step is merely factual information. All you have to hang your hat on is presentation and genuine copyright protected content; actual text in an actual article. Is it an article, or factual filler? The more 'factual', the more 'step-by-step', the freer anyone is to use the information and reformat to suit their needs.

    If it is a rewrite of an article, then the opinion of lawyer is what you need. The better the rewrite, the closer it is to being 'new'. We do this all the time; in addition to writing our own stuff. If someone does something we like, that we haven't thought of, we 'reverse engineer' and do our best to do a better job and raise the bar. They may know we got the idea from them and followed along. However, our version will not use any exact language that is not generic, and we will not reuse any 'signature phrasing'. It is new, unique - and better (even if we did get the idea from them and wish we had thought of it first).
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Originality is simply original enough..
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    • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
      If you're going to rewrite anything, stick to rewriting PLR articles. I strongly advise against rewriting someone else's unique work.

      Just as other's have already mentioned, if you want to use other writer's content as a source of inspiration or knowledge, then that's fine... but never to the point of you rewriting their content word-for-word.

      I remember awhile back I offered a PLR article rewriting service on Fiverr, and the first order I received was from someone asking me to rewrite a unique article that was on someone's site... That was the first and last time I offered that kind of service!
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  • Profile picture of the author adsassist
    Forgot the citation. This is where I got it - rewriting - definition of rewriting by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    You are right, it depends on what the OP see as "rewriting".
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