I'm The Best Internet Marketer in the World!

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"I'm the best Internet Marketer in the world.

Now, I'm not saying that to brag or beat my chest, I'm just trying to inspire you with my confidence. If you don't believe in yourself, no one will."

LOL, did you notice what I attempted to do?

I started out with a statement that was clearly bragging. I then tried to remove that impression from the mind with a second statement that made it seem like I was only saying that to make a point that would help you.

The point is, you can brag and toot your own horn as long as you follow it up with a sensible reason why you're not bragging or tooting your own horn.

This is not be the ideal example because I didn't back up my claim with any supporting evidence, but the point is - if you want to be perceived as an expert, make sure you tell people why you are. It's more powerful to get others to say positive things about you, but not everyone has that privilege. There is an art to letting people know your qualifications and still being likable to your audience.

If you're observant, you'll see this tactic being used over and over by successful marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    No you're not!

    I'm the best internet marketer in the world

    I don't care much for removing anything.. so I'll just leave mine like that...
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  • Profile picture of the author ShafirAhmad
    What a headline to start a thread.

    I had to look and see what secrets you were giving away, if any.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by Mukul Verma View Post

      Nice move to get people attention
      Ron wasn't only getting your attention.. he's actually showing you a powerful thing right there....

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  • Profile picture of the author ildarius
    Got me reading that's for sure.

    Dang, 9 views and 8 replies, nice stats for a thread!

    Make it 10 view and 9 replies
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark .W. James
    The first impression you gave me was " hes ignorant"
    After reading the second line you gave the impression " hes an attention seeker"

    However I do understand the point you are trying to make but I am not sure it works as well as you claim.

    Its always the product that speaks for itself.. true, a good product by itself is nothing either, but if a big mouth thinks he can sell anything because of the words he uses, hes wrong. he might sell one product.. but after the customers see that the product is not worth the money they spent.. he can hypnotize all he wants.. they wont fall for it.

    I believe that if a product is good and the marketer just knows what hes selling, how will it affect the customers and is able to lay it out in simple and grammatically correct english, there should be no doubt that he could truly be " the best internet marketer in the world"
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
      Originally Posted by amudara View Post

      The first impression you gave me was " hes ignorant"
      After reading the second line you gave the impression " hes an attention seeker"

      However I do understand the point you are trying to make but I am not sure it works as well as you claim.

      Its always the product that speaks for itself.. true, a good product by itself is nothing either, but if a big mouth thinks he can sell anything because of the words he uses, hes wrong. he might sell one product.. but after the customers see that the product is not worth the money they spent.. he can hypnotize all he wants.. they wont fall for it.

      I believe that if a product is good and the marketer just knows what hes selling, how will it affect the customers and is able to lay it out in simple and grammatically correct english, there should be no doubt that he could truly be " the best internet marketer in the world"
      It's not about having a big mouth, it's about salesmanship and establishing yourself as an expert to your audience. It's about perception. It's about walking the fine line of telling them why they should buy from you without sounding arrogant.

      Of course you need to have a good product that does what it says. Two marketers can have the same product and the same audience, but the marketer who creates the perception of being the expert will make more money.

      My point is - if you want to make more sales, make it a point to tell people why they should buy from you instead of someone else. Walk the fine line of sharing how great you are while still being likeable.

      I think Kern talks about something similar - "the reluctant hero."

      I realize that not everyone will get what I'm saying.
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    • Profile picture of the author SiteSeller52
      Originally Posted by amudara View Post

      The first impression you gave me was " hes ignorant"
      After reading the second line you gave the impression " hes an attention seeker"
      I felt the same way, I wasn't going to read it but my curiosity got the better of me, its an odd thing, the human mind that is. Always taking us in directions we don't want to go. Make me think that 99% of most marketers problems start in that odd place of the mind.

      Ill take is as food for thought, and now that you mention it I can see tis being used all over the web in all sorts of copy. From dog training to teeth whitening there are people bragging but not bragging.

      Thanks for some new things to consider, I have always been against bragging about myself, but even saying I know something you don't could be considered bragging, doing it this way might help some feel a little better about it.

      I have always felt that if I am that good at something, it will show in my work or product. I would personally rather buy from or listen to someone who can admit that he isn't the absolute best but through hard work and trial and error finally worked it out and now wants to help me overcome the same things

      On the same hand, hype, bragging but not bragging and full assurance usually seem to convert better with those who do not yet know the ins and outs of this system.

      Thanks for giving me something to think about,
      Matt
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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    It seems like the law of attraction is at work here because you prompted the most elite group of internet marketers in the universe to click on this thread. I feel like I'm home.
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  • Profile picture of the author LordXenu
    In this day and age, people WANT a guy who is a bit cocky and arrogant to tell them what to do. Take Vince Offer and his ShamWow/Slapchop fame. He's a little gritty, he's in your face, but very open and likable in a strange way. He makes you feel like an idiot for not listening to him. You have that feeling that this guy is pretty confident in what he's saying, and maybe you're the jackass if you don't pay attention to what he's saying. That takes a certain skill, and some have mastered it. Many an affiliate "guru" have built their entire persona upon this skill, and profited largely from it. Great salesman often sell themselves as their best product...
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    • Profile picture of the author LordXenu
      Originally Posted by healymedia View Post

      Confidence can be conveyed without bragging. I find it comical that "Vince from Shamwow" is being mentioned as a reason why techniques like this work.
      Vince from Shamwow is in jail right now first of all, and secondly, he's hardly anyone to mimic. He's hardly someone who commands respect. People buy shamwows because they work, not because Vince gives off a sense of credibility and knowledge
      Vince outside of the marketing world has nothing to do with Vince inside the marketing world. The guy punched a hooke rin the face for biting his tonuge. I'd do the same thing in his position. That doesn't take away from his credability as a saleperson AT ALL. Take good old Robert Allen for instance, he could be a crack smoking transvestite with a couple dead hookers in his deep freeze, that doesn't change the fact that he's got his game tight.

      As a salesman Vince conveys confidence in himself which in turn reflects in confidence in the product. I don't mean to be a prick, but you have no clue what you're talking about here. He is a smooth and confident salesman, he puts forth confidence in his product and that IS why they sell. "People by ShamWow because they work" No they don't. These people see a late night infomercial and buy the product because it works? How do they know it works? They don't know it works! They're buying it because a smooth and confident salesman tells them it works, and they believe him! This goes just the same for all the big name internet affiliate gurus out there pushing their latest products. They've sold themselves first and foremost with this same cocky confidence, and in turn it reflects upon the product they are selling at that time. A good salesman could sell you shit on a stick...

      Make it look easy, let the words flow out smooth with just a touch of cockiness. Give the impression that you know what you're talking about, and anyone who questions that is just wrong. Without ever actually saying it. If you honestly believe the product sells itself, you are clueless...

      Just because this doesn't sell to you, or that's not why you buy into products, doesn't mean that's the way it goes for the mass audience. Who fortunately for all of us working in sales, are generally pretty stupid and easily lead.
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      • Profile picture of the author LordXenu
        No one said the salesman needed to be credible, he just needs to be convincing. It is his job to get you to give up your money. Which is where the confidence and skill of of the pitchman comes into play. It is a careful psychological game. Put some fat dirty guy in bad clothes in that same SlapChop informercial going "Uh ya dude, it slaps and it chops, its a SlapChop. It cuts veggies, ya, look at it cut these things. It cuts these things so good man. I can make a salad with this thing." All the while rubbing his nose and tugging his shorts out of his asscrack. You still think this 50 cent piece of cheap, sweatshop assembled piece of crap product is going to sell itself?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    This has the potential to be a good discussion. I realize that a lot of people hate to be told what they're thinking or how they can be influenced, which makes me think I should have worded the opening post differently.

    I'm not saying to dig a hole for yourself by making a bad first impression. That is an extreme interpretation of this whole thread. All I'm saying is, if you're not a world leader or famous corporate executive, it may help to let people who are unfamiliar with you know why they should listen to you.

    The other point is, you can toot your own horn and not seem arrogant by following it up with a valid reason why you're being helpful and not really tooting your own horn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
      Originally Posted by healymedia View Post

      If you're good, you know it, and you can demonstrate it through your knowledge. Bragging about personal achievements or characteristics doesn't tell me that someone is good, it tells me they need recognition, which is actually a trademark of the mediocre.
      That sounds good, but it's not reality. It's far more effective to establish your credibility by letting people know what you've accomplished. Then you will have their attention and they will be eager to hear what you know.

      There are people on this forum who know more about Internet Marketing than some of the top gurus, but if you put them on stage or put their name in a salesletter, their knowledge alone can't compete with real life accomplishments.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
        Originally Posted by healymedia View Post

        Letting someone know what you've done and tooting your own horn are not the same thing.

        Like I said, establishing credibility and bragging are not the same thing.

        Example.
        "We've worked with Fortune 500 companies that are on the leading edge of their industries and have been able to deliver positive results in every instance"

        "We're the best company in our field. None of our competitors come close to us, and we can do a better job for you than any of them."

        See the difference?

        If what you're doing is establishing credibility, then doing it well doesn't require that you follow it up with something helpful to make it seem less obnoxious.

        Confidence and cockiness are not the same thing, and establishing credibility can and should be done without the need to brag.

        If you find yourself needing to add that second sentence to take the edge off the first one, then the first one was poorly chosen to begin with.
        Yes, when you put a "we" or "our team" spin on it - but when you're talking about your own personal accomplishments, it's different.

        Take that same sentence and replace we with I:

        "I've worked with Fortune 500 companies that are on the leading edge of their industries and I've been able to deliver positive results in every instance."

        Now it sounds like you're bragging. But not so much if you follow that up with:

        "I'm not saying this to brag, I just want you to know how I can help you."

        You could actually say a lot more to toot your own horn if you follow it up with that statement.

        Anyway, I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you. You can believe what you like.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesCallowag
    Well, how much doesn the best internet marketer in the world makes?
    Is there an income brakett?


    - but yeah, good tactic
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Thank you for your input. I still believe what I know works. Carry on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Also, You're one of the coolest dudes here Ron... even if you weren't jokin'.. I'd still respect you
    This is nice! I can really feel the love in the air in here. I think we should all get together and have a big WF group hug, how about it?

    a valid reason why you're being helpful and not really tooting
    I think it is VERY helpful when people don't toot! It clears the air.

    Okay, okay, I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist the comments. I will return you back to your original program now!

    Take care!
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  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
    I am created of awesomeness but I guess you can borrow some.

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    • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
      Dude.....can I have your autograph!? :p:rolleyes:

      Rock On Man!!!!!!!


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  • Profile picture of the author Stevecyr
    We have some good members out here. Everybody thanks a lot for pouring in ur views. And I also believe.. "Some people that could never sell in person are great online salespeople."
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Ron,

      I'm with Healymedia on this one.

      Specifically -

      In sales, you focus should be your customer, not you. Explaining your qualifications serves your customer. Bragging serves your ego.
      Basically, if you open with something outlandish, arrogant, or obnoxious, you're immediately putting yourself in a hole that you have to overcome. So why open that way? There are perfectly good ways to get your confidence and point across without risking making yourself seem like a douche.
      I also think that you simply reinforced the error when you thanked LordXenu for a post that contained -

      Just because this doesn't sell to you, or that's not why you buy into products, doesn't mean that's the way it goes for the mass audience. Who fortunately for all of us working in sales, are generally pretty stupid and easily lead.
      Oops.

      Example - think of an 'old' warrior, one with a hint of zen who commands great respect whenever he enters a debate or discussion.

      Think about how he creates that respect, and how he doesn't.

      In this way, he is a maverick in comparison to many IM gurus. Yes, many IM gurus subscribe to Ron's theory presented in this thread. From what I have seen, this particular warrior doesn't. He appears to present himself in a way where any credibility or respect that is required to make a point, is exclusively created internally within each presentation of opinion - it rarely needs to feed off any other previous presentation and if one is used, it's not feeding off it - the previous presentation is used for convenience to emphasize a point.

      There is never any bragging or anything similar - yet this person regularly provides finite conclusions to unresolved discussions - which in turn establishes a level of credibility and authority on a wide variety of subjects (you could say - the 'big picture') without any fanfare or obvious attempt to sell or persuade. Yet, it accomplishes those things.

      So in summary, I am saying that it is the master of the understatement, rather than the braggard, who is using the more effective method of persuasion and credibility enhancement.

      I agree with you Ron, on this -
      If you're observant, you'll see this tactic being used over and over by successful marketers.
      ...but I would need to add (for the purpose of this discussion) that we should then divide them into two-tiers - those who use this method, and then those who have greater knowledge, ability and success who use far more effective methods.

      Perhaps this is one of the biggest problems in IM - due to covert/paid endorsements by others within the inner circle, outsiders see a bunch of pretend experts continually attempting to reinforce each others credibility through force of opinion, and other underhanded and unconvincing methods. It's like a kind of 'he who shouts the loudest and gets his cohorts to shout the same mantra gets to position himself as a market leader' - or in this case - 'successful marketer.'

      But the level of 'shouting' and self-agrandisement only serves to convince the majority that an illusion is being manufactured - which in itself lends yet more credibility to those who demonstrate no need to brag.

      For clarity I would adjust this -

      if you want to be perceived as an expert, make sure you tell people why you are
      to -

      'If you want to be perceived as an expert, make sure that you NEVER tell people why you are (in order to avoid bracketing yourself in the lower tier of those who need to do that) but make sure that you always demonstrate your expertise with the least amount of fanfare, purely through the words that you say.' In short, demonstrate that you are an expert. 'Telling' is a weak method of persuasion.

      The advice you have given is what leads more people to think that they need to act like second-rate IM gurus who ooze desperation and cheesiness and self-adoration in their every word and assume that their prospects are dumb sheep who won't notice that every time they open their mouth they are always selling.

      Much better (IMO) to never appear to be 'selling' yet wield huge persuasive power while only ever appearing to be 'talking up' about the very prospects that you are selling to. That's 'upper tier' selling in my book - no bragging required.

      I would also add Ron, that your accomplishments always spoke for themselves. My over-riding first impression of you was on TV, as the consumate professional who had achieved great success on the internet - literally, no need to brag.

      I have to also add that your recent excursion into more mainstream IM, although commendable and admirable, and with a reputable and much-liked partner, seems to have brought out a slightly different side of you, one that is a little more promotional and perhaps more indicative of the brush that tars anyone who has the guts to enter this minefield-strewn marketplace. Of course, my opinion of you hasn't changed and I hope that it stays that way (although I'll be the first to add that my opinion isn't of any significant importance ;-)).
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi Ron,

        'If you want to be perceived as an expert, make sure that you NEVER tell people why you are (in order to avoid bracketing yourself in the lower tier of those who need to do that) but make sure that you always demonstrate your expertise with the least amount of fanfare, purely through the words that you say.'
        Well said Roger. I agree that the method of persuasion you're describing is more powerful and the ideal way to establish your credibility in a perfect world. It works well if you're already the wise old Warrior whom everyone knows and respects. What you're saying sounds righteous and all, but most people can't pull it off.

        On the flip side, if your audience is unfamiliar with you and you have two minutes or two paragraphs to establish your credibility, what would you do?

        If you really believe that your product or service is the best thing for the customer, you're simply doing them a disservice by not expressing that to them.

        Granted, "brag" is a poorly chosen word in my OP. But establishing credibility is an important part of the sales process. If your potential customer doesn't already know why you're the expert, there is nothing wrong with demonstrating to them that you are. It's all about the way you do it - which was really what this thread was meant to be about.

        I was merely explaining a way to communicate your expertise and manage the prospects perception of you.

        I disagree that doing so makes you like a desperate second rate IM guru (whatever that means) who has no respect for his prospects. There is a huge gap between what I'm describing and that extreme.

        That being said, I respect the overall spirit of what you're saying:
        - Respecting your prospect's intelligence
        - Letting your product speak for itself
        - Gaining respect by helping people rather than bragging
        - Putting the customer's needs first

        Those are all things I think we both believe in.
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        • Profile picture of the author webdesignservice
          you got me! i was so curios to the point that i click your thread title because i want to know why "I'm The Best Internet Marketer in the World!"

          its quite effective after all, lemme click some of your link. haha
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi Ron,

            Thanks for the reply.

            It works well if you're already the wise old Warrior whom everyone knows and respects.
            So how would one become such? Or alternatively, how could one get to that point in the most efficient manner? Perhaps they could set out in the same way that they intend to continue? Why the rush?

            Personally, I have taken note of many warriors here purely on the basis of one well thought out contribution. I've sometimes then looked at some of their previous posts. Many times, after realising how I am impressed with their posts/outlook/contribution, I have also noticed that they have very few posts - but this changes nothing. I still class them as extremely knowledgeable/someone with an interesting/helpful perspective. My point - surely if I do this, there are others that do this too?

            In other words it only takes one (or two) posts to win me over. The one thing that puts me off more than anything is if they seem far too keen to try and convince the reader of their credentials in any other way than demonstrating their knowledge in the context of the thread it is placed in.

            What you're saying sounds righteous and all, but most people can't pull it off.
            With respect, that sounds like an easy excuse for anyone to not bother to try and to then take the 'easy option' of bragging (for want of a better word.) If they are working online in any form, then there's a good chance that they have initiative and at least a sprinkling of entrepreneurial ability - and therefore it's likely that they also have knowledge derived from their own experiences plus the ability to use this to 'impress' (IE establish credibility) in the right way (by sharing this knowledge in an educated/professional manner) - hence, (again), no bragging required.

            On the flip side, if your audience is unfamiliar with you and you have two minutes or two paragraphs to establish your credibility, what would you do?
            Contribute, without bragging, ideally in a way that is somehow unique.

            If you really believe that your product or service is the best thing for the customer, you're simply doing them a disservice by not expressing that to them.
            And how much more difficult is it to implant that impression in the mind of the reader indirectly? To encourage them to feel that they have decided for themselves that your product is the best thing for them?

            This is the simply the difference between professional selling vs order-taking, or persuasion vs brute-force coercion, or surreptitious suggestion vs mindless in-yer-face repetition.

            I don't think it's that difficult myself, and I have faith that anyone who is profitable and survives for more than a fleeting internet moment is likely to have understood the difference and implemented it throughout their actions in order to seperate themselves from the throng and stand out as better than average - (disclaimer) - unless of course, they take the alternative route (as mentioned earlier) of using others to bolster their rep via manufactured social proof.

            But establishing credibility is an important part of the sales process.
            I agree wholeheartedly which is why I am labouring the point. Blowing one's own trumpet (or bragging or whatever) is simply the lowest common denominator in terms of doing this - even manufactured social proof through others, stands above blowing your own trumpet, regardless of whether one follows the advice given above of twisting it into something else -
            I started out with a statement that was clearly bragging. I then tried to remove that impression from the mind with a second statement that made it seem like I was only saying that to make a point that would help you.
            At risk of repeating myself -

            I was merely explaining a way to communicate your expertise and manage the prospects perception of you.
            And I am suggesting that it is way better to encourage the prospect to make up their own mind about your credibility (in the manner that you desire), without them realising that you are doing it. Bragging simply puts them on the defensive, regardless of any follow ups designed to lessen this.

            By communicating your expertise in the manner you suggest, the prospect is pushed to immediately ask themselves - 'why is this person feeling the need to brag?'

            Isn't it better to avoid that issue entirely?

            I disagree that doing so makes you like a desperate second rate IM guru (whatever that means) who has no respect for his prospects. There is a huge gap between what I'm describing and that extreme.
            By 'second rate IM guru' I mean the typical IM guru who is currently the topic of many threads here in which the prospects (responders) all mention that they are less than impressed.

            Take any list building thread that talks about people who simply send pitches to their churn 'n burn lists - those are the ones I am talking about - the ones who feel that they are above connecting with their prospects in any way except to send them copy/paste emails with extremely tenuous links to the flavour of the month product.

            Example - seller wants to push an affiliate promotion on a list building product.

            So they launch into a brief story about how they struggled for many years (just like you), until they discovered the 'key' to success - the money is in the list (yawn). And then they explain how it didn't all come together until they found the *one* product which encapsulated everything they needed to know.

            It was a product by Joe Bloggs {link here} which he has now updated and is currently offering a special...blah blah...

            And the next day, they use the same story (I was lost until....) to sell an entirely different product (...I found the 'key' to success which was content is king) and I found the best way to create content fit for a king was with Joe Blogg's product {link here} which he has just updated and is currently offering....blah blah....

            Those are the second rate IM gurus I am referring to. And what I am saying is that in order to establish credibility (IMO), the first thing one should do is make sure to differentiate oneself from those people.

            Easy way to do this? Avoid bragging and trying to sell yourself (and your products) with every paragraph you write. Allow your demonstrable expertise to do the work and the selling for you.

            Sorry to use such a long, drawn out explanation, but I'm simply emphasizing the main point - I feel that the method that you have suggested is one of the least effective, and that there are many more subtle, but simple and better ways to become perceived as an expert. And that this -
            If you're observant, you'll see this tactic being used over and over by successful marketers.
            ...is not a good reason for others to use this method, because with the people that use this ('successful marketers') we are observing the wrong people, who are only perceived as successful in this marketplace because they continually brag, and have also skillfully manipulated others into 'blowing their trumpet' for them by affiliate promotions, JVs and other methods so that they appear to be a lot more successful than they actually are.

            We have others around us who are not making as much noise, but are way more successful in the 'long' term (in internet years) and are able to continually demonstrate their ability whenever called upon. I pointed one of those out in my previous post. Most of the people who are perceived as successful in this marketplace currently have achieved success by proxy (or blatant deception and manipulation of facts) and their sand castle empires are currently crumbling.

            Many of the people who are catching attention currently are relatively unknown, and if others were to suddenly start trying to reinforce their superiority with recommendation (in the typical 'I'm not really a JV partner, but we just happen to have reciprocal testimonials all over each other's sites') then it is likely to actually diminish their authority - because the market has learnt to get wise and see through these tactics. Likewise for anyone who brags - the market asks themselves what weaknesses have driven them to use such an ineffective approach.

            The marketplace (in general) now values truly unsolicited testimonials like gold, and solicited ones and self-promotion as signs of desperation and failure - because the marketplace has become overwhelmed with fakers and manufacturers of false and exaggerated social proof.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
    Great Thread, great headline, great discussions.

    I've learned a lot in the last 10 minutes! Seriously.
    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I think it is a stupid tactic and makes you look like a wanker.

    The client should be the one to decide you are good or not.

    If nobody out there is saying you are good then why not?

    Ego marketing is dying.
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    For a moment I thought Donald Trump turned Inernet Marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    I dont know about this post. I really do not care if you were to tell me if you are an expert.

    If you think you are, or if you think that by saying you are that I am going to think you are that is your opinion.

    But I am only concerned about one thing...

    RESULTS!

    If your product or service does not produce the results I am looking for then no matter what you say I will not think you are an expert.

    Especially if you try and tell me you are.


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  • Profile picture of the author jayden.fellze
    We can always say that we are the best if we believe that we deserve it. I think it's nothing wrong about bragging our accomplishments because we put effort and hard work on it. It is somehow putting a positive attitude on what we have achieved and not merely bragging it on the crowd.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Yeah, well... I'm still the best.. so :p

    As a sidenote to my humor... I think Roger makes some excellent points (as per usual)..

    Personally, I believe in having supreme confidence in oneself.. knowing that you can produce results and allowing that to come out in the way you carry yourself is a good thing.

    And I think some people can make the strong confidence work. Others will seem way to desperate for people to believe that they will fail miserably....

    Either way...

    Makes for a fantastic discussion

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Ron, tie that in with your USP and you've got a winning combination.

      I've been working on my new USP that I'll be presenting with my next
      product launch. I'll be backing it up with some pretty bold statements, like
      yours, and then explaining why it's true.

      It should work very well.

      Sorry, can't reveal anymore than that now because I don't want all these
      smart marketers stealing my idea.

      Great post Ron.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Ron, tie that in with your USP and you've got a winning combination.

        I've been working on my new USP that I'll be presenting with my next
        product launch. I'll be backing it up with some pretty bold statements, like
        yours, and then explaining why it's true.

        It should work very well.

        Sorry, can't reveal anymore than that now because I don't want all these
        smart marketers stealing my idea.

        Great post Ron.
        It must be a NY, NJ, Tri-state thing neighbor . Good luck with your launch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    This has been a good discussion. I dont really want to bump this post back up to the top, but it's 9:30 am here in New York and I didn't have a chance to continue the discussion at 3am last night.

    I realize that there may be some cultural differences when it comes to the thought of "blowing your own trumpet." I also realize that this is a losing argument and I dared to put myself at risk of criticism just by posting something like this.

    For the record, besides the intentionally outrageous title, no where in this thread did I actually brag about anything.

    In conclusion, I'll just give a couple of quotes from two people I really respect and then I'll leave it at that:

    In John Reese's free report "The Rebirth of Internet Marketing" - he starts off by with this:

    "Why Should Anyone Listen To What John Reese Has To Say?
    17 years. 100+ hours a week. 1,200+ web sites. Tens of thousands of
    tests. Billions of site visitors. Millions in profits..."

    "...$1 million dollars in sales for any "paper and ink" product (or 'digital' as
    in the case of an ebook) is a major feat.
    I've been able to reach this "$1 Million Sales" milestone for not one, not
    two, but three completely different infoproducts just in the past few
    years alone."

    He goes on for 3 more pages telling you why he's the best, and then he ends it with this:

    "But I am not telling you all of this to brag or boast. I am telling you all
    of this so you will pay close attention to what I am going to share with
    you in this report. I know what I am talking about. I know how the
    Internet works. I know how Internet Marketing works."

    In Allen Says Private Post Volume 1, he says:

    We should always write with total Confidence and Authority. Tell instead of
    sell. Educate and Inform. With confidence, not with an apologetic, graspy,
    wishy washy tone.

    Make a case for yourself and your product because trust me, no one else will.
    Make your case without flinching, apologizing or weakening anything you say.
    Your total confidence about your product must shine through....
    Your upbeat positive energy must shine through....

    Paint a great picture by "telling"...not forcing, pushing and begging.
    Get in that state of mind before you sit down to write a sales letter and your
    state of mind will show through in the letter.

    The best thing you could ever do for your business is to have absolute
    confidence in everything you do, every word you write, every program
    or concept you create. Because if you don't have confidence in it, neither
    will anyone else.

    Your confidence, or lack of it, shows through in everything. People sense it and
    either get attracted to it or move on.

    The world is a constant reflection of how we think and feel about ourselves
    and our products or business. And it will place the exact same value on your
    head as you do. Set that value high and the world pays it. Set that value low
    and the world pays that too.


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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Ron,

      I don't think John Reese and Allen Says are saying exactly the same thing.

      John is bragging about himself while Allen is saying you should reflect supreme confidence in your product.

      Then again, you could be right. The only real product some people have is themselves so bragging is actually showing supreme confidence in their product.


      Martin


      Interesting link from healymedia in the Rich Dad, Poor Dad thread which I looked into further and found this

      Real estate artist B.S. Detection checklist
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  • Profile picture of the author reynald2790
    Yes, we are all the internet marketer in the world. Why? Because we can simply solve some of our problems and also we are able to ask question about internet marketing. So therefore we are all the best marketer in the whole world.
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