The Debate Over 'Refunds' vs. 'No Refunds'

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I'm planning to launch a new product soon and I'm researching all the pro's and con's on offering refunds.

Most products or services that I have purchased online typically offer a refund,
usually within 30 days. So naturally I want to stand behind my product and follow suit.

However, lately it seems that more and more 'membership' sites where you can visit at
your leasure and download products when you want, seem to state 'NO REFUNDS'
will be provided since you have immediate access to the products. Is this a good policy or bad?

I don't have a problem offering a refund when the customer really feels it's not worthy
or whatever their reason is.

But how to you avoid those dumb asses that just download everything then claim 'FRAUD'
against your PayPal account, making you feel like you've done something wrong?

I'd be interested to hear your feedback and suggestions...
#debate #refunds
  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Wether you want to or not users can take a refund through your processor or their charged back CC.

    Always easier to offer the refund up front. You will make more sales and have happier clients.
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    • Profile picture of the author markvurnum
      Refunds will happen no matter what you do..

      If you dont get any refunds then Dan Kennedy says you are not selling the product hard enough!

      I would always offer a refund, as long as possible, yeah sure you will get people that abuse it, but this should far out weigh your increase in sales.

      Above all the answer is to test it for yourself and see!

      Good luck with the launch

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author Jays80
        If you do not offer refunds. Buyer can still get it through payment processor.
        that being said, if your product quality is good, delivers value, Customer support is responsive. And you do not misrepresent a product. your refund rate is likely to be low.

        Still there will be some people they will buy with the intention of refunding it.
        also depends on niche as well, if you are promoting something in Make Money Niche, all the best to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    the longer the refund period you offer the less refunds you will get.

    for example if you say you have 7 days to try out this product and if you want a refund it must be in 7 days you'll get a lot of refunds.

    however if you give 30,60,90 day refund periods the people are not in a hurry to read the product and demand a refund. they feel as sure i have 30 days or more to evaluate it.

    most people then forget about the product

    yeah that sounds harsh but it's a reality. a good 60% plus of people buy products and never use them

    therefore the longer the refund period the less refunds in my experience.

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  • Profile picture of the author DirectoryKing
    If you intend to have refunds,also live a phone number for refunds. better have the customer contact you by phone to explain the reason why they want a refund. Most times, they never call back.
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    • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
      Originally Posted by DirectoryKing View Post

      If you intend to have refunds,also live a phone number for refunds. better have the customer contact you by phone to explain the reason why they want a refund. Most times, they never call back.
      A good idea but can be time consuming and of the course if you are a small time marketer you will have time difference problems. My personal opinion is to have a help desk where people can log a ticket or an email address then you have a record of everything that took place

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  • Profile picture of the author Tracy Yates
    Here's my take on the 'NO REFUND' policies on place within membership sites...

    I believe the main reason for the no refund policy you see on many membership sites is due, in part, by the fact that many of the products included within the members only download areas are to be sold for some dollar amount and cannot be given away for free, or without cost.

    So, if you offered a XX amount of days refund policy to your members, and they took advantage of that, then all the products they previously downloaded after their initial payment would have been downloaded free of charge. That would break many of the products terms.

    At least, that's why I put in place the 'NO REFUND' policy on my membership site, and I suspect many others do as well.


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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by Tracy Yates View Post

      Here's my take on the 'NO REFUND' policies on place within membership sites...

      I believe the main reason for the no refund policy you see on many membership sites is due, in part, by the fact that many of the products included within the members only download areas are to be sold for some dollar amount and cannot be given away for free, or without cost.

      So, if you offered a XX amount of days refund policy to your members, and they took advantage of that, then all the products they previously downloaded after their initial payment would have been downloaded free of charge. That would break many of the products terms.

      At least, that's why I put in place the 'NO REFUND' policy on my membership site, and I suspect many others do as well.


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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    In my experience, offering a refund guarantee will increase sales. In addition, with a "no refunds" policy people will still ask for them, complain to your payment processor and file chargebacks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tracy Yates
    LB is right, this can, and probably will happen if you place a 'NO REFUNDS' policy associated with your offer. But at least you're being upfront about everything with your potential customers/members right from the get go.

    And, if someone were to do a chargeback from their CC company, whether you're selling a one off product or a membership, there's little you can do about that anyway. You'll just be S.O.L. on that sale. Just the way it is.

    However, if you're customer is a 'serial refunder' and tries to open a dispute via PayPal to basically get your product/membership free of charge, you might have a chance at winning that dispute...IF you have done everything required of you AND you are NOT offering any type of refund policy associated with your product.


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  • Profile picture of the author SFranklin
    I would definitely offer a refund policy. Most people will forget about the refund deadline anyways, I've found that a 60 day refund is better than a 30 day refund policy, there is less refunds and more time for the buyer to use your product or forget it. They won't feel so pressured to take action or lose out on the refund...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Everyone has theories. I believe in just doing what works. I'm on ClickBank with my product so I have to offer a refund as per policy. It is 8 weeks (60 days). If I could, I would make it 90 days. I believe it would be perceived better by customers.

    I have only had a very small number of refund requests (about 1%). Of these, I had ONE customer who asked for a refund because she wanted my product to help her with potty training her son. The product is not a potty training product, it is a toddler communication product. I issued the refund. Fair enough. The other refunds have ALL been people who either: 1) had download problems and gave up; 2) thought they were buying physical CDs. That's it.

    A 1% refund rate tells me that the refund policy is COSTING me almost nothing, and certainly adding comfort for the buyer and increasing my conversion rate.

    BUT - if you sell crap your refund rate will soar. Stats show you that people are generally honest. People who won't offer refunds probably sell crap. That's what buyers think. True or not, it does not matter. The buyer's opinion RULES.
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    • Profile picture of the author malfumos
      Refunds are more stronger because if ever a buyer is not satisfied with the product then he/she can easily ask for a refund. Because there is a law that customers are always right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wade Watson
      The biggest obstacle in online sales is buyer insecurity. Offering refunds is one of the cheapest and easiest ways to deal with this. As long as you make sure you're selling something worthwhile and not misrepresenting it, your refund rate will be minuscule. But the benefits of a good refund policy are very significant. Don't even think about going the "no refund" route. I never deal with anybody who says that. One of the most successful membership site operators on the web, Eolake Stobblehouse, has the most liberal refund policy I've ever seen-- upon request, he will refund everything you've ever paid him, even if you've been a member for years. I doubt he gets much call to do so, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author SiteSeller52
    Have any of you had a problem lately
    with buyers using other peoples paypal
    account to buy your product??

    I have had this happen 6x's this week.

    Wondering if its just me. Also paypal
    keeps lodging investigations into my
    sales without the buyer instigating any
    action.

    Ive had this premier business account
    since the early 2000's and am somewhat
    shocked @ the lack of respect paypal has
    for digital product sellers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wade Watson
      SiteSeller52 - If people have been making purchases on your site using other's accounts, I suspect they are investigating you in suspicion that you may be involved. Just like the cops they have to look into all angles. If you're totally up and up, they shouldn't give you any problem, but this is PayPal. They seem to be a virtually unregulated monster who can do whatever they want.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gallery Sites
        Hey, thanks for all the great feedback everyone.
        I plan on offering a refund as any respectable seller should.
        However, I always like to hear other opinions before making
        a final decision. And the warrior forum sure comes in handy.
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    Offering a refund boosts sales and shows the customer that you (the creator) TRUST the quality of the product.

    Psychologically the thought process is "well if he/she trusts his/her product enough to offer a guarantee then that's one more reason I should try it.". Essentially it boils down to risk reversal.

    But if the quality of your product is high enough - guess what? Super low returns.

    Bottom Line: (In my experience) as both a consumer and merchant having a guarantee in place will mean more sales and less thought of concern on the ability to return and get a refund it if it is...a piece of crap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    If it's a low-cost product, generally you don't see marketers have a money-back guarantee. Usually for a high-ticket product, there are refunds.

    But, purely from a business perspective, the merchant loses out here every time. Refunds for low-cost products don't hurt the bottom line quite as much as high-ticket products.

    Fabian
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  • Profile picture of the author julesbrad
    Is it illegal NOT to offer refunds due to the distance selling regulations ?
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