domain name with or without hyphens...

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hey guys

I need your opinion in selecting a domain name.
Since lots of short URLs (1-2 keywords) are already gone in lots of niches, marketer try to have longtail keywords
in the domain name.
For which version (just an example, has nothing to do with my work) would you go
1. how-to-target-keywords.com
2. howtotargetkeywords.com

Nr.1 reads much better, but for people give in the URL manually it could be annoying (typing the hyphens).
From a SEO point of view, or also search engines, does it make a difference which version I choose?

And is still a .com domain the best (for SEO and search engines), or did this change in the meantime and
.net and so on can be as good?

thanks
Fabian
#domain #hyphens
  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Always without hyphens, if the .com is taken get the .net or org
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Option 2 is better in term of SEO.

    Try to get .com for your website.
    .net for secondary choice if .com is unavailable.

    With nada and penguin updates, these two factors are not so important.
    Good Content, quality traffic, bounce rate, backlinks, Social presence are stuffs that Yu should target on.

    Hope these help. Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author jimvol
    No hyphens...long tail or not.. no hyphens
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by surffab View Post

    Nr.1 reads much better, but for people give in the URL manually it could be annoying (typing the hyphens).
    Yes, indeed. It's mostly about appearance, I think.

    The answer is to buy both, anyway. Even if your domain looks better with hyphens (which many do), you wouldn't want to build a business on a domain-name of which the unhyphenated version belongs to someone else (which it may do, if you don't register it "protectively". Perhaps especially if you're successful!). You can register both and just redirect one to the other.

    Hyphens don't affect SEO in any way. (Other threads discussing this contain a link to a Matt Cutts video in which he discusses and explains that).

    Originally Posted by surffab View Post

    is still a .com domain the best (for SEO and search engines), or did this change in the meantime and .net and so on can be as good?
    All international top-level domains are exactly the same for all SEO considerations with Google. It's only some opinionated marketers who deny this. Google states this openly and repeatedly, on their websites, on their WebMaster Central Blog, on videos, in interviews with Matt Cutts, and so on. They've been saying it openly for years, now. A few people who've very publicly but mistakenly said the opposite in the past (and are a little embarrassed because of that) like to say now that they think Google must be "lying" about it (they're not quite so good at suggesting why Google might want to do that, though! ).

    There's no SEO issue here at all, Fabian.

    If you find people telling you that ".com ranks better than .net/.org" it's ok to throw rotting fruit at them. In fact it's encouraged.

    However, there are many other potential reasons for wanting to own the .com. And some of them are rather compelling.

    Resale value, for example. "Credibility" (that one's perhaps overstated, really). Loss of traffic to the .com owner (that's realistic enough). And so on.

    In all cases of doubt, it makes sense to buy the .com.

    But don't let anyone put you off hyphens, if they look better: that's nonsense (just register the unhyphenated version as well and redirect it to the one you're using). Domain-names are only a few bucks each; it's not worth worrying about these things.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneygoose
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


      Hyphens don't affect SEO in any way. (Other threads discussing this contain a link to a Matt Cutts video in which he discusses and explains that).
      What she said! Hyphens are basically just spaces between words to the search engine as far as SEO is concerned. The problem with hyphens is if you are creating a domain that you want people to type into their browser, say, from a business card or flyer, for instance.

      Also, communicating these domains verbally is an exercise in awkwardness. If you are making the domain for Google search traffic and that is your only concern, hyphens are perfectly fine. If you need people to remember your name and type it in at a friend's house to show them your cool product they very may well end up at your competitor without the hyphens.
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  • Profile picture of the author dejoliet31
    Alexa's approach is the one I use if I am counting on SEO traffic or I need potential customers to remember the name. Buying both may seem like a costly affair but I use the hyphenated one in situations where SEO is not an issue, e.g., testing squeeze pages in the niche, or redirects.
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  • Profile picture of the author dominkdust1
    Use long trail keyword. But don't use hyphens in your domain. Use .com domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOtraveler
    Great post from Alexa. Completely agree here!
    Also if your keyword is not very long and all the short domains are occupied, try some unconventional TLDs, it may help you to use your keywords and build a playful domain perception, they look really appealing and are easy to remember.
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  • Profile picture of the author rred
    Alexa Smith explained it all, so thank you..

    Fabian Long tail keyword without hyphen is much better then the 1 with hyphen..

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    There is no longer an advantage to having exact match domain names as far as SEO goes, so IMO, there's not much reason to buy a hyphenated domain name when a branded or any other top level domain would do. It's the content that will count now in SEO, not the domain name.

    I personally have always avoided hyphens in domain names as they don't resell very well.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreyhuan
    I would always prefer domain names without hyphens.

    If .com is not available, I will choose .net or .org instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author tarunsarien
    Domain name with hyphens is better than without hyphens. Its benefit is that search engine also count your domain names keyword separately.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by tarunsarien View Post

      Domain name with hyphens is better than without hyphens. Its benefit is that search engine also count your domain names keyword separately.
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      Word Separators
      Avoid hyphens. Hyphens detract from credibility and can act as a spam indicator.
      Domains - SEO Best Practices | SEOmoz

      The negative effect of the hyphen

      SEO experts SEOmoz recommend not to use hyphens in URLs, saying they "detract from credibility and can act as a spam indicator". You might think this is unfair, but imagine if someone registered face-book.com. It instantly looks like it's trying to be a Facebook rip-off and you'd be immediately suspicious.

      So that got us wondering, could it be simply the hyphen in Oliver's domain name that meant he failed? If so, it means he was doomed right from the start.
      How one tiny hyphen destroyed our SEO efforts | Silktide blog

      Brand

      Should you use hyphenated, multi-term domain like search-engine-marketing-services.com?

      I'd avoid such names like the plague.

      Why?

      They have no branding value. They have limited SEO value. Even if you do manage to get such a domain top ten, you're probably going to need to sell on the first visit, as few people are going to remember it once they leave. It is too generic, and it lacks credibility.

      In a crowded market, brand offers a point of distinction.

      It is easier to build links to branded domain names. People take these name more seriously that keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword.com, which looks spammy and isn't fooling anyone. Would you link to such a name? By doing so, it devalues your own content .

      It can even difficult to get such domain names linked to when you pay for the privilege! Directory editors often reject these names on sight, because such names are often associated with low-quality content. Imagine how many free links you might be losing by choosing such a name.
      How To Choose Domain Names For SEO | SEO Book.com
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