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Unread 7th February 2013, 04:20 PM   #51
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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.


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I am hearing it being said a lot around here that doing something incorrectly is better than doing nothing at all. The argument is that at least when doing wrong you are taking action which will ultimately lead to success.

I disagree because only correct action ultimately leads to success. If you are doing something incorrectly, it is very easy to become discouraged when good results are not coming forth. And if good results are not coming then why continue to pour your labor into something that is failing.

So instead of thinking that doing something is good enough... we need to learn to do what is right and only then is it good enough.


I agree with you because many times you will try to do something and fail miserably, and then you won't have any courage to go on. You should be careful and study internet marketing very well before taking action.

Those who keep telling you to ‘take action’ are pushing you to do something while you don’t have enough knowledge yet.

Then, you will buy another ebook with a different method to take you out of the mess you are in, and you’ll keep trying to find solutions to save your work, while it was done all wrong and you are merely spending your money and wasting your time trying to save e.g. a website without the right keywords, which was not made for any specific audience, and is promoting products that nobody buys.

You should be very afraid to take action and never do anything without knowing what you are doing.

You can test your skills and take action by using free ways to make money like creating Squidoo lenses and writing blog posts by using Blogger or the free version of Wordpress.

Don’t try to do complicated things from the beginning, and don’t spend your money before studying everything you can for free at this forum and other forums and blogs that give you information and knowledge.

You should take action and create your own website when you’ll feel that you know what you are doing. If you’ll fail, your failure will be a lesson because you will understand your mistakes. If you don’t know what you are doing you cannot understand the reason why you couldn't make money and what to correct.

When you'll take action, you’ll see that there are many complications that nobody talks about, like the fact that if you'll promote your product at Clickbank and nobody will buy it, you will have to remove it from there. If you want to keep it there, you must create an affiliate program. If you'll create an affiliate program, you’ll have to recruit affiliates. If you want to recruit affiliates, you’ll have to convince many people to promote your products, but nobody wants to promote new products, and you’ll go from problem to problem, and from solution to solution.

I could mention many similar examples. What about preparing and sending email messages for years to the same subscribers? What about writing articles for years about the same topics?

Internet marketing is a very complex system, which depends on numerous details. You have to know how to deal with everything.











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Unread 7th February 2013, 04:22 PM   #52
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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.

I believe that just like everything in life, there are limits and yes, if you keep on doing something really wrong...you should really rethink the whole thing or give up! Doing nothing on the other is not going to bring you anything AT ALL. But, you're still right and I agree with you. I agree with the idea that we all make mistakes but the KEY is to learn from these mistakes, if possible, very rapidly! Some never learn from their mistakes and repeat them OVER AND OVER AGAIN and yes it does annoy me TOO! I believe in the learning curve but the learning curve must stop sometimes, and you must get it right next time, whatever happens!

Pianist use SLOW PRACTICE to learn a new piece and for instance Rachmaninoff used to play SO SLOWLY that it was unbearable but at least CORRECT, so this example does validate your point entirely!

I also believe that failure can teach but as I said earlier, IT'S GOT ITS LIMITS!

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Unread 7th February 2013, 04:23 PM   #53
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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.

It all depends on how costly your mistakes are. If you're not spending any money or doing anything unethical, mistakes can be valuable learning experiences. If, however, you're investing your life savings into unsuccessful campaigns it's another story.

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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.

I don't know who it was that said 'You don't learn anything from your successes' but I'd be more inclined to agree with that rather than your original thread title.

Think about it:

If you 'fail' at something...
  • You get to see what didn't work
  • You know not to do it again
  • And you also (crucially) get one step closer to the method that works for you to achieve your goals.
If you succeed at something, you know what you did works... And that's pretty much it.

All the most successful people have essentially made mistakes until they succeeded.

Look at John Thornhill, a brilliant online marketer. He hardly made any money online for FOUR YEARS. But he kept going and now he makes a ton of cash.

If you wait for it to all be exactly as it should be, you'll never get anywhere. If you start, you can correct course as you go. If you wait, you'll find years have gone past while you procrastinated.

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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.

A lot of people made reference here to Edison trying 10,000 ways with the lightbulb before he was successful. But Edison did not have the benefit of having possible mentors and teachers around.

Lets say if Edison had invented the light bulb today, and tomorrow another person was aiming at BUILDING a lightbulb, should they go the trial and error way, or find out how Edison did it?

I would think that if they found out Edison did it, then they could work on trying to make the bulb more energy efficient...

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I'd recommend reading Maxwell Maltz's seminal Psycho Cybernetics. The human brain is hard wired to goal orientation, and failing forward is how every successful person has succeeded (if you have read as many biographies of successful people as I have you'd know that this is the common characteristic of all successful people without exception).

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I think Thomas Edison would disagree.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Thomas A. Edison, in reference to his light bulb experiments.
To the point, Edison's Nemesis Nikola Tesla got it right the first time every time....

But who used the wisdom gained from his mistakes to sell himself and his inventions to history while Tesla was ignored and died a mere footnote!

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A lot of people made reference here to Edison trying 10,000 ways with the lightbulb before he was successful. But Edison did not have the benefit of having possible mentors and teachers around.

Lets say if Edison had invented the light bulb today, and tomorrow another person was aiming at BUILDING a lightbulb, should they go the trial and error way, or find out how Edison did it?

I would think that if they found out Edison did it, then they could work on trying to make the bulb more energy efficient...
...and where did the mentor get his/her knowledge from? Sure you can stand on the shoulders of giants sometimes. While other times you are treading unchartered territory. Example a newbie says they will be a millionaire in 3 months. Welp they are on their own because noone here is going to tell them that is possible. By the way, Edison during his time had others working on the same things just like he was during his time. Same thing with the Wright Brothers. They weren't the only ones into aviation per se, they, just were the first to get it off the ground.
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Doing something wrong is not the right thing to do if many tell you it's wrong from experience. Trying something without knowing it's wrong, because you think it might work, is how you then go ahead and turn it into a success.

There are some very dumb comparisons and answers though... one person said that brain surgeons don't get it wrong. I'm pretty sure when we first learned to operate in that area (albeit with animals), many mistakes were made, over and over again. They were then documented so those who came after would get it right. Even today, mistakes are made even by professionals.

And to even get to the point where you can operate, many would have failed on trial runs, dummy dolls or whatever they do to learn.

Everyone fails in almost everything at some point, with things like sky diving etc being the exception and we all know why!
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I couldn't resist this post. From experience, i think we have all gone through that phase of hitting a brick wall when things don't seem to be working. We immediately attach a negative feeling (pain of failure) to not having success and in stead of trying to act, we rather avoid it all together because we spend more time on thinking about failing, If all your doing is thinking about failure, of course your going to fail. Having negative thoughts, only fuels your subconscious and we set our selves up.

I went to an event where tony Robbins was speaking and he spoke a lot about mindset and the way we create these situations ourselves, Its better ultimately to make mistakes, and not procrastinate. Ive made many mistakes along the way, and i am thankful for that, as i know i now can avoid those or use them to my advantage.

Just remember PERSEVERANCE, " Steady persistence in a course of action, state, especially in spite of difficulties obstacles or discouragement" I read that every day.

So, those who think better not try as i know the outcome, tend to be the one that complain that nothing works and why is every one else well off, and has money so on, and so on.

Also, when we fail in a certain task, we can adapt and enhance the strategy and try something different,some times is can be pain stalking, trail and error. However when you hit success, Wouldn't you say it was all worth it?

Hope you enjoyed my post ! Now come on lets make money together!

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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.

Maybe the idea was that doing something wrong means that you took action, which is better than doing nothing. Taking action means assuming that things can go wrong, although you are only hoping for the best.
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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.

I think you sometimes can't help but fail. You then have to learn from those mistakes and the mistakes of others. Don't keep doing the same thing over and over, if it fails. But don't not take action simply out of fear of failure.

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When trying something new you should definitely do some research and find out what the best approach is. I think what the phrase "doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all" means at some point you need to just do something even if you don't have all the answers to how it should be done. A lot of times we can get stuck in research mode and end up never doing anything at all. It is better to learn what you can, as fast as you can and then just do it!... You can learn the rest along the way by correcting any mistakes you've made otherwise you'll probably NEVER get started.

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Default Re: doing something wrong is better than doing nothing at all...do you really think so? I don't.

Well I don't think anyone out there goes with the intention of doing anything wrong. In a perfect world we'd all do everything right the first time everytime. I think you need to do something, anything that will propel you forward in some way even if only to teach you what NOT to do.

If you put something up for sale and realize you're not making money then you've learned what doesn't work. I like the "fire and aim" approach. Throw stuff out and see what sticks then adjust from there. Repeat the process. The key is not to repeat failures but to learn from them and try something new until you get what you want.
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I am hearing it being said a lot around here that doing something incorrectly is better than doing nothing at all. The argument is that at least when doing wrong you are taking action which will ultimately lead to success.

I disagree because only correct action ultimately leads to success. If you are doing something incorrectly, it is very easy to become discouraged when good results are not coming forth. And if good results are not coming then why continue to pour your labor into something that is failing.

So instead of thinking that doing something is good enough... we need to learn to do what is right and only then is it good enough.
Sure, It just like a noted invester says " Treat all INVESTMENTS as BAD investments" It is just turn people off taking actions and psychologically make people fear of investing.

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