How To Kill Your Reputation In TWO Forums In 3 Easy Steps!!!

[JayXtreme]

Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen

This forum has tremendous value, and I don't think anyone is trying to say otherwise. However, in a member moderated forum it seems odd that members aren't really in control of what is allowed and what isn't.

That's the thing Nathan..

Members have an amazing amount of control... the reason posts disappear here is because enough members clicked that little red triangle to make it happen..

[Tenzo]

I'm not sure what would be gained from openly naming someone. While the WSO was live, it had questions and comments about the screenshots. Now that he is banned, why does it matter what his screen name was? If he shows up again he'll be using a different one.

Looking at a WSO? Ask questions, read reviews, and make a decision. You can't mitigate all risk.

Best Regards,
Kevin

[Nathan Hangen]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

That's the thing Nathan..

Members have an amazing amount of control... the reason posts disappear here is because enough members clicked that little red triangle to make it happen..

However, there isn't any control over moderation. I mean I could create 20 accounts and start reporting every post I didn't agree with to get them to disappear. There isn't any perfect solution really, I would just like to see more openness and less fear. I'll get over it.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Nathan,

Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen

However, there isn't any control over moderation. I mean I could create 20 accounts and start reporting every post I didn't agree with to get them to disappear. There isn't any perfect solution really, I would just like to see more openness and less fear. I'll get over it.

Seriously, what difference does it make? The only thing that bad member moderation affects is really the soap opera **** anyway. The kind of stuff that none of us should be wasting time on to begin with.

I felt pretty much the same way you do right now a couple of months ago. I took a step back though and thought for a bit and realized that I was wasting too much time and energy worrying about the way that someone elses site was run or what other peoples opinions were about certain subjects.

Without a little bit of restraint this place would be full of spam, hate threads, and other things that would more than likely bog us all down trying to keep up with all the latest dirt.

I do understand what you are saying, but like I said, think about it for a minute and hopefully you will see what I'm saying.

[7figurehelper]

Melody what an extensive and heart felt post. In my personal opinion your integrity bleeds through your writing

I think a lot of times when our back is against the wall OR when we see something that we want so bad that our judgement gets cloudy. Once we have it in our mind that a little compromise is ok, we are headed down the path to destruction.

I don't know if that happened in this case with this particular individual BUT it is hard to come back from self destruction BECAUSE people are not that forgiving.

[mmurtha]

Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen

However, there isn't any control over moderation. I mean I could create 20 accounts and start reporting every post I didn't agree with to get them to disappear. There isn't any perfect solution really, I would just like to see more openness and less fear. I'll get over it.

Hey Nathon,

Yes there is control over the moderation to some degree. Remember? You do have Allen and some Mods/other admins that do watch for the quote "unfairness" that could, and sometimes happens here. Matter of fact, there have been a number of threads that have been reinstated by Allen and his staff since the members moderation took effect.

Come on, don't you think that if you created 20 new accounts and started reporting posts like crazy or at will that Allen and his staff wouldn't catch on? He sees more than people will ever give him credit for, so don't under estimate him - ever.

Yes, you are right, there ISN't any perfect solution, but what is in place now is the best one we've had here, and will work when people do it correctly, instead of trying to beat the system or complain about it.

Fear?? Who is in fear or afraid?

The members here are mostly open, and will work to resolve just about evey problem/crisis that's been mentioned here thus far the best they can, and with the means they can/have.

The truth is that some members may feel intimidated, but when they take a look at themselves, they will usually find out they have an insecurity problem. That's in their nature, and they need to be the ones to get over it in the end.


Hay Melody,

Great post kid, and thanks! You spoke the truth, and people don't realize that what you do now will reflect on what happens later!


Mary

[Nathan Hangen]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Nathan,



Seriously, what difference does it make? The only thing that bad member moderation affects is really the soap opera **** anyway. The kind of stuff that none of us should be wasting time on to begin with.

I felt pretty much the same way you do right now a couple of months ago. I took a step back though and thought for a bit and realized that I was wasting too much time and energy worrying about the way that someone elses site was run or what other peoples opinions were about certain subjects.

Without a little bit of restraint this place would be full of spam, hate threads, and other things that would more than likely bog us all down trying to keep up with all the latest dirt.

I do understand what you are saying, but like I said, think about it for a minute and hopefully you will see what I'm saying.

Honestly, I don't really care. I'm just offering my opinion and hanging out because I am bored. If people don't like my opinion, that's fine...I could care less. Just my .02, nothing more, nothing less.

Originally Posted by mmurtha

Hey Nathon,

Yes there is control over the moderation to some degree. Remember? You do have Allen and some Mods/other admins that do watch for the quote "unfairness" that could, and sometimes happens here. Matter of fact, there have been a number of threads that have been reinstated by Allen and his staff since the members moderation took effect.

Come on, don't you think that if you created 20 new accounts and started reporting posts like crazy or at will that Allen and his staff wouldn't catch on? He sees more than people will ever give him credit for, so don't under estimate him - ever.

Is that an order?

Yes, you are right, there ISN't any perfect solution, but what is in place now is the best one we've had here, and will work when people do it correctly, instead of trying to beat the system or complain about it.

Fear?? Who is in fear or afraid?

The members here are mostly open, and will work to resolve just about evey problem/crisis that's been mentioned here thus far the best they can, and with the means they can/have.

The truth is that some members may feel intimidated, but when they take a look at themselves, they will usually find out they have an insecurity problem. That's in their nature, and they need to be the ones to get over it in the end.


Mary

The fear I'm talking about is of getting sued, of breaking rule #1, hurting people's feelings, etc. Again, I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I felt like being honest.

People should really relax

Also, this thread got off track (thanks Randy!) and I don't want to be the one to blame...I'm out

[tylerjaysen]

OMG that is so true....

The internet is truly a place where the little guy can have a huge impact. If a customer is done wrong by a vendor and not taken care of..that customer can go onto forums like this and write a couple posts and kill that vendors credibility.

Similarly, the angry person could start a blog and rant and rave about a transaction gone wrong...this blog and its posts get indexed by google and then someone does a search on this vendor and blam...there is the bad review.

So good post...and very eye-opening

[Melody]

For those that are complaining about the forum rules - one last point I would like to make: this is one of the few forums where you actually see members posting REAL information. Information that you can actually 'take to the bank', and one of the reasons is because this place hasn't gotten bogged down with personal dog fights and spamming.

This place is not run the same way it was when I first joined - it is constantly evolving and trust me - there was definitely a reason that this relatively new rule was put into place. Those of us that have been here awhile remember some real doozies......

It's not a perfect system - but it's still one of the better places to hang out and actually feel like you did something productive while in a forum. I have reams of notes from this place.

Whether we agree with Allen's rules or not - the bottom line is that HE is paying the bills here - not us (yeah, I know some of us did pay originally - but humor me here).

Like I said before - this is Allen's BUSINESS - he has more right to call the shots than we do.

If you are not happy with the 'restrictive' environment, start your own forum and see how long it takes you to get to this level. It ain't gonna happen overnight.

But, back to the reason for the OP - the 'banned persona' is still ignoring all attempts at communication, and is deleting all posts on his auction that reference his WSO of the product.

It seems that the attempt to appeal to his conscience have failed......

Ah well - I still believe in the Easter Bunny too.........

Melody

[Nathan Hangen]

Originally Posted by Melody

For those that are complaining about the forum rules - one last point I would like to make: this is one of the few forums where you actually see members posting REAL information. Information that you can actually 'take to the bank', and one of the reasons is because this place hasn't gotten bogged down with personal dog fights and spamming.

This place is not run the same way it was when I first joined - it is constantly evolving and trust me - there was definitely a reason that this relatively new rule was put into place. Those of us that have been here awhile remember some real doozies......

It's not a perfect system - but it's still one of the better places to hang out and actually feel like you did something productive while in a forum. I have reams of notes from this place.

Whether we agree with Allen's rules or not - the bottom line is that HE is paying the bills here - not us (yeah, I know some of us did pay originally - but humor me here).

Like I said before - this is Allen's BUSINESS - he has more right to call the shots than we do.

If you are not happy with the 'restrictive' environment, start your own forum and see how long it takes you to get to this level. It ain't gonna happen overnight.

But, back to the reason for the OP - the 'banned persona' is still ignoring all attempts at communication, and is deleting all posts on his auction that reference his WSO of the product.

It seems that the attempt to appeal to his conscience have failed......

Ah well - I still believe in the Easter Bunny too.........

Melody

I don't think anyone is really too upset...people have different opinions and I'm OK with that, I just wish others were as well. We can't all agree all the time, otherwise no learning would take place here.

If you find a Utopia, let me know...I'll be sure to come crash the party!