I'm going to play jazz sax during my webinar tomorrow... good idea or epic fail?

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Hey I respect your folks' ideas... wanted to ask your opinion. My Saturday webinars now have 1,500+ registered for them, in my niche (trading), and I'm looking for a way to jazz up the presentation.

I've been a jazz sax player 35+ years, am celebrating good trading wins plus sales by just buying a new soprano sax last week for myself... lots of fun, I used to play semi-pro in so cal to put myself thru ucla back in the 80s. I can play. Though our pet shih-tsu barks when i do, lol.

Anyways... I wanted to play very very briefly (2-3 minutes max), some cool bebop jazz for everyone at the end of tomorrow morning's webinar (just a couple of minutes, for fun). Good idea, or epic fail? (since totally unrelated content wise to why they're there). Most of my customers are like me, middle aged or older, guys who hopefully think jazz is cool, which it is.

What say you, warriors? Fun and good if done right, or notsomuch?

thx,

k
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  • Profile picture of the author Doppelbock
    Sounds like a bad idea to me. It's not niche related and sounds a little out there for some jazzing up.

    I mean, most people seem to enjoy a little personality showing through, which can easily done by showing some humor, or speaking in a way that reveals your interests, or way of thinking.

    But I think the sax idea, which is cool and all, is too far out of left field for it to work effectively for your campaign.

    Unless you had a way to integrate your playing along with your script... which sounds unlikely because of your niche.

    Idk, it sounds far too dangerous to attempt when weighing the consequences and rewards.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Fail.

    Give people what they came to see, not something they have expressed no interest in seeing.

    If you go ahead and do it, you might have 90% fewer subscribers after the fact.

    If I were on the list, as soon as you started playing, I'd leave.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamuelCarter
    Hey, if people have signed up and some follow you then why not

    You could ask them, during the webinar, People like realism. You will always have mixed answers, but if you want to just ask the audience. I have a feeling you really want to play !

    Do it as an intro lol be the first

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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    I think you're not thinking in terms of your attendees. What if none of them like sax?

    The only way I could think to do something there, is just for a bit of a laugh, play on the spelling mistake... 'Live sex performed in webinar'...

    I think that this is something that you could perhaps do on youtube, as you're not taking up peoples time in the same way. They can switch it off if they don't like it, or it might go viral...
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    • Maybe you can make it to a game? That sounds like good fun on an webinar.

      For example in the beginning you could say:

      .....(after intro) before I was an internet marketer and into (insert the topic of your webinar) I played jazz for 35 years, and ya know, if all goes well tonight, and I get a good response from you guys - I promise to play you a short 1 minute verse. How does that sound?" :rolleyes:

      If its a live webinar and they have the ability to respond, you can gauge their reactions beforehand. Doing this does accomplishes 3 things:

      1) Your viewers will know whats coming and expect it when it does.
      2) Builds anticipation and curiosity for those who actually like jazz music.
      3) Allows those who don't really care about your musical talents to go ahead and leave because as you stated before "The jazz will be played at THE END of the webinar." Those who appreciate your personality will stay, those who don't will go on with whatever they want to do.

      I say, go for it. I'm all for experimenting. And if it doesn't work out... who cares? Now you know what you can't do in the future. :p

      Do I have experience with doing such a thing in webinars? Nope never did a webinar in my life. (Hope too someday though}

      Do I have experience with basic human interaction? Yup, it's part of my day job.

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      • Profile picture of the author longblog
        Originally Posted by Thecostofexperience View Post

        Maybe you can make it to a game? That sounds like good fun on an webinar.

        For example in the beginning you could say:

        .....(after intro) before I was an internet marketer and into (insert the topic of your webinar) I played jazz for 35 years, and ya know, if all goes well tonight, and I get a good response from you guys - I promise to play you a short 1 minute verse. How does that sound?" :rolleyes:

        If its a live webinar and they have the ability to respond, you can gauge their reactions beforehand. Doing this does accomplishes 3 things:

        1) Your viewers will know whats coming and expect it when it does.
        2) Builds anticipation and curiosity for those who actually like jazz music.
        3) Allows those who don't really care about your musical talents to go ahead and leave because as you stated before "The jazz will be played at THE END of the webinar." Those who appreciate your personality will stay, those who don't will go on with whatever they want to do.

        I say, go for it. I'm all for experimenting. And if it doesn't work out... who cares? Now you know what you can't do in the future. :p

        Do I have experience with doing such a thing in webinars? Nope never did a webinar in my life. (Hope too someday though}

        Do I have experience with basic human interaction? Yup, it's part of my day job.

        - Cheers
        I agree with this 100%
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    Ken I am shocked someone who has been in this business successfully this long would test their subscribers patience implementing your taste on them. It is liken to adding your moral views on your audience. Especially, dealing with people in the financial markets. They have little patience for anything else, but, getting to the money.
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    • Originally Posted by theory expert View Post

      Ken I am shocked someone who has been in this business successfully this long would test their subscribers patience implementing your taste on them. It is liken to adding your moral views on your audience. Especially, dealing with people in the financial markets. They have little patience for anything else, but, getting to the money.
      I agree with you on that point fully, but what about the simple fact that people are more able to invest in what they know.

      I was on the verge of thinking the more they know "Who Ken is" the more they would be able to logically justify investing in his services. :rolleyes:

      This is how I implement personality in my Youtube channels and it works wonders! However, I will put out that It's entirely possible that I'm flat out wrong as Youtube channels do not = Live or taped Webinars.

      Nevertheless the old IM saying holds true: The more your customers feel they know you, the more willing they are to invest. So sometimes out of the box thinking can be.. well.. innovative.

      But what do I know.. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author retsced
      Originally Posted by theory expert View Post

      Ken I am shocked someone who has been in this business successfully this long would test their subscribers patience implementing your taste on them. It is liken to adding your moral views on your audience. Especially, dealing with people in the financial markets. They have little patience for anything else, but, getting to the money.
      This is exactly what I was thinking ^^^^

      If I want to listen to Jazz, I'll turn on the radio. If I want to learn something, I'll turn the radio off
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    If you do it as a "that's all folks, thanks for watching. For those who have time to kill, I'm going to play... watch or don't" type way, that's cool. But if it's a "After I play, you get ___ " type thing, then no.

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    • Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      If you do it as a "that's all folks, thanks for watching. For those who have time to kill, I'm going to play... watch or don't" type way, that's cool. But if it's a "After I play, you get ___ " type thing, then no.

      -G
      Yeah, it's all in the context of the way it's presented. In my experience, demonstrating a little personality is always a good thing.

      Think about it? If you ever attended any webinars (which I have, especially when I was brand new to this) and needless to say the people who hosted them are very popular in the IM niche. Anyhow, you'll find the instructors are always

      1) Making Jokes (some that are bordering on childish)
      2) Inviting Participation
      3) Encouraging the viewers to make some witty comments of there own.

      I don't know about some of you, but from my personal experience, I can't stand sitting through boring webinars. Maybe it's my ADD or something.. :rolleyes:

      I must admit, I'd definately remember a webinar where jazz was played at the end.

      It's totally up to you though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    Just do it at the end of the webinar and then it's no big deal. Those who want to stay and listen can and those who don't can log off. No biggie.

    I'd recommend you do it. People should inject their personality (and fun) into things when they can and as long as it's after the content, I don't see how it could be a bad thing at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author imagene
    Fail.

    I will sign up for a webinar solely for the purpose of furthering my knowledge in an area - my time is precious and I'm sure that's the same for 99% of people...especially if they're learning how to increase their bank accounts.

    It's great to give an insight into your personality, likes, interests because it shows your customers that you are human and have interests outside of trading - especially if you know your customer base MAY share your interests - but I think you could do this outside of your webinar.

    You could use your extensive experience in jazz as a fantastic intro for an email to your list for example. Something similar to what you wrote here would be great!

    Originally Posted by kencalhn View Post

    I've been a jazz sax player 35+ years, am celebrating good trading wins plus sales by just buying a new soprano sax last week for myself... lots of fun, I used to play semi-pro in so cal to put myself thru ucla back in the 80s. I can play. Though our pet shih-tsu barks when i do, lol.
    Make a video, upload to YouTube and insert a link so they could see you play if they wanted to....then, "this is why I'm celebrating good trading wins and how I did it"...link to sales page

    I know you'll be ultra cool in my eyes if I got that email lol.

    By the way, I'm a huge jazz fan but if I'm going to a webinar I just want what I went there for and nothing else
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    • Originally Posted by imagene View Post

      Fail.

      I will sign up for a webinar solely for the purpose of furthering my knowledge in an area - my time is precious and I'm sure that's the same for 99% of people...especially if they're learning how to increase their bank accounts.

      ....

      You could use your extensive experience in jazz as a fantastic intro for an email to your list for example. Something similar to what you wrote here would be great!


      Make a video, upload to YouTube and insert a link so they could see you play if they wanted to....then, "this is why I'm celebrating good trading wins and how I did it"...link to sales page

      Great points here. I really like the idea of the youtube video. However.. there are many situations in life where what we suspect isn't really what we get!

      Think about it, when people find their way to your niche website, what are they expecting 80% of the time?

      Free Information

      What do they really get? Well hopefully, if your doing your work right, they GET to spend some cash on your affiliate links or purchasing a service...

      The point I'm trying to make here is that we don't always get what we expect, especially in the IM business, as it's our job to take peoples inquiries and expectations, and turn them into quick profits.

      It's how we take advantage of an opportunity to make a sale.

      What's the opportunity in the case of the affiliate site scenario I mentioned above? The plain and simple fact that someone's present at the affiliate website.

      Now, if we can put that in terms of Ken webinar... His viewers are coming for financial advice.

      Now, Ken, because he has xxxx amount of people tuned in and watching him - has an opportunity to make sale as well as provide them with the information they attended for. (the same basic principle with any affiliate website)

      In this case, he's selling himself/personality as well as providing his viewers with the information he promised with no inconvenience to them whatsoever.

      The only real problem occurs when he lets what he's selling get in the way of the information he promised. (The biggest problem with alot of BAD affiliate sites):confused:
      [analogy over]

      As long as he's not intrusive and performs without inconveniencing any of his viewers, he should be O.K.
      In retrospect, Ive gone to a number of webinars for general IM information where I expected to receive "xxxxxx" information, only to be referred to a product I should purchase at the very end. :rolleyes:

      In my perspective, Ken is no doubt doing the same thing.. Hes just being subtle and smart about it.

      Just my 2 cents, Anyway - Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        I thought it sounded a cool idea, myself. From your OP.

        Then I read the whole thread and changed my mind a bit: if people here are saying they'd be less than impressed with it, then people in your webinar will be, too. :rolleyes: :p

        I suppose I can see their point, in a way.

        Maybe the answer is just to do it for a couple of minutes at the very end, after formally announcing "the end", as it were, so it's totally an optional extra? I think people would have to be churlish indeed to complain or be disappointed by that?

        Good luck, and hoping it goes well for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    If it's at the end, I honestly don't see the problem. Just tell them thanks for coming and it's over, but you're gonna play your sax for fun and play them out.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    Hi - thanks for the comments; you all make some great points. And yes that's my approach is at the end of the webinar, I say "ok that's it for our official webinar, thanks so much for being here, see you next week".... and for fun, for those that want to stay around afterwards and talk music/hear it, here's something fun. And then bridge from how music can be like trading, with the need for correct timing and pattern/note/chart recognition, etc.. so it's a bit related.

    I would never do something like that in the middle of a content webinar, eg play sax or talk about unrelated stuff; I'm always 110% on topic during the "Main Event"...the reason my webinars are the #1-attended in the trading industry (when I compare to competitor's turnouts), is that I cover a ton of On topic specific content that's best-in-class. I'm just trying to figure out a way to share a personal side of myself with them.

    Good idea re youtube videos, I'd done that in earlier years and they had very high view-rates, so I'll bring that back... maybe best to just reference those at the end, vs playing live.. thanks. That's what I like about the community here, is you all have some well thought-out perspectives I wouldn't have thought of.. thanks very much for the candid comments, it helps.

    -k

    p.s. most of my competitors' trading webinars are boring-as-heck + pitchfests/snoozers.. so I like to differentiate by making mine fast-paced (30 minutes), useful, and much more interesting to my audience... avatar/differentiation; several top IM gurus also play guitar in their videos... amiright? I asked them last week if they'd like to hear me play sax this week, and a huge flood of "yeses" came scrolling in, in the gotowebinar chatbox, fwiw, so that's why I wanted to try it out, after the main event is over. I will add a ppt slide though to clearly mark that "Ok the main event's over now, folks, thanks for being here".. and Then do the sax bit.
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  • I think a few minutes in the intro especially if you can ty it into a story that relates to what you are teaching later or it has some relation to a message somehow or just to crack the ice get them laughing can work. The answer is that it depends. I have have had over 200 people on webinars and seen some do weird things and close fantastic at the end and others follow all "rules" and do horrible. My observation it's about the people who invest the time to attend the presentation and if they feel they are getting value for it, and not just that but are entertained at the same time. So tell stories and break the pattern. People come to these webinars to find something new and you playing your Sax could be that, or it can fail, it all depends how you do it. Good luck.
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  • QUESTION: are you pitching any product/offer at the end of the webinar?

    If so, do not play the sax. You do not want to disrupt the sales flow with any distraction (sax). You want them to observe your Call To Action message, not your sax message.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    good point about not interrupting sales flow/cta attention... and yes there's always a time limited special offer briefly presented at the end well I'll test it today, webinar starts in less than an hour, report back... should be a fun marketing/jazz experiment. I like to do a lot of embedded NLP/pattern interrupts/mirroring/pacing, so hey playing jazz that'll do it, question is, does it add value/relevance or not. Sent out an email last night telling them I'd be playing today, and a new record for attendance (1,522 registered total, for this morning), so that's encouraging.
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    • Profile picture of the author imagene
      Hi Ken,

      How did you go on your webinar? Was your playing well received?

      Hope it went well for you
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      • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
        nah, doesnt sound good to me.
        Unless u offer it as an extra at the end and those who need to leave can leave.

        People all over the world will be attending if i guessed correctly.
        And they come from all walks of life and at that very moment u dont know what situation are they in.

        They could be burning midnight oil just to attend ur webinar, or skipped school or took leave just to catch ur webinar.
        So dont take their time for granted as some may see it as a "waste" of their time since everyone sees things differently.

        So make it optional not something from the very beginning that they have to sit tru ya?

        Im also doing a trading course.

        Wish u all the success with yours!
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Hi Ken:
    I think it is a great idea and will help brand you. Talk about jazzing it up. Still, not everyone is like me. I love jazz sax and like most kinds of music. Perhaps you should ask your target audience and do it at least once. If over 90% like it, then go all in.
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