Gimme some Hope please!

[harrysidhu]

well after a long time i don't know what to believe iv tried ppc and the most i made was 100 bucks in a month and after that nothing, but i see tons of people claim just selling Click bank products with adwords and making 100 bucks a day i mean i wanna get back inot ppc and i have leanrt a lot since then but i need some motivataion is it even possible to make good money from ppc or is it just a waste of time. I wanna believe that if i put in hard work it will pay off.

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

well after a long time i don't know what to believe iv tried ppc and the most i made was 100 bucks in a month and after that nothing, but i see tons of people claim just selling Click bank products with adwords and making 100 bucks a day i mean i wanna get back inot ppc and i have leanrt a lot since then but i need some motivataion is it even possible to make good money from ppc or is it just a waste of time. I wanna believe that if i put in hard work it will pay off.

No. There is no money in PPC:

[Kay King]

Why did you post this again in the main section after posting it in the correct section about adsense/adwords? Posting it once is sufficient.

PPC can work well if you know how best to use it - and if the product you are selling is something people will be interested in buying after they click on your ad.

kay

[sevenish]

Originally Posted by blackhatzen

No. There is no money in PPC:

HMPH! Is that the best you can do?

Seriously though, those are some very nice numbers.

[sevenish]

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

well after a long time i don't know what to believe iv tried ppc and the most i made was 100 bucks in a month and after that nothing, but i see tons of people claim just selling Click bank products with adwords and making 100 bucks a day i mean i wanna get back inot ppc and i have leanrt a lot since then but i need some motivataion is it even possible to make good money from ppc or is it just a waste of time. I wanna believe that if i put in hard work it will pay off.

It does work very well, but only if you have the time and budget to test and experiment; and even then it's not an automatic win with each new campaign. In fact, I often begin new campaigns with a loss before I get it tweaked to profitability ... at which point I can scale it out for larger profits.

It's as much an art as it is a science, in my opinion. But you can learn to minimize the costs and maximize the profits. Test, track, tweak. Test, tweak, track. Repeat as necessary and watch that budget.

[harrysidhu]

because i think its a good time to get into the fat loss and all that since summer is around the corner but make it more specific. Any tips that the successful people have for me thanks.

[harrysidhu]

Originally Posted by blackhatzen

No. There is no money in PPC:

Are you serious you pay that much, wow you probably make half a million at least.

[adpablo]

PPC is for people with a big budget...and even so, I would think twice before using it...you need to be, or the guidance, of an expert in PPC campaigns...otherwise you may lose big bucks there......

[artwebster]

Hi, Harry,

Whatever method you choose to try to make money, you will find some people making lots, more people making some, more people breaking even and most people making a loss.

The difference between those making lots and everybody else is THEY WORK AT IT. They 'study form', they learn how the system they are using works, they learn the things to do and those to avoid.

Dispite what everybody would like you to believe so you buy their latest product, there is not an automated, set it and forget it method of making money. Most people I have spoken to about ppc seem to be losing money but, when I ask one or two leading questions, they are backing a horse that once won a race even if it isn't in the race they are betting on.

Things change, demand changes, product viability changes, new products come along, old products get resurected and if you are in ppc - you need to know what is going on in the area on which you are betting.

Trying isn't enough. You need to work at it.

[harrysidhu]

Im not backing down from working and im not trying to get rich quick but on paper it seems like it works and i have sold some stuff not on a constant basis though. Its like everything else you have to work. Where would you say most interent millionaire make their money?

[harrysidhu]

what im doing now is just putting my affiliate link into the adwords campaign thing. Do you guys use landing pages or does it matter the way i see it people click the first few links and thats it and im oging ot make it very specific so i get better traffic and not just 1 million clicks from everyone.

[swiminsoda]

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

what im doing now is just putting my affiliate link into the adwords campaign thing. Do you guys use landing pages or does it matter the way i see it people click the first few links and thats it and im oging ot make it very specific so i get better traffic and not just 1 million clicks from everyone.

I recently saw an interesting thread by Brian Mahaffey on Directly Linking in Adwords. He answered a lot of questions on the topic which might be helpful to you.

[harrysidhu]

should i bid to be first or no because being first does cost more but wont it convert more too?

[Dellco]

I believe the ratio for PPC is like this : 9/10 campaigns fail to make a profit.

But the 1/10 will more than make up for the 9/10.

You do need a budget when you do PPC... and have to be prepared for losses.

The "work" in PPC is constantly refining your keywords, and adjusting your bid price according to what works and what doesn't.

Being on 1st is more expensive, but doesn't guarantee more sales. Your advert wording is going to count more.

[harrysidhu]

I just need a good niche something that hasn't been beat to death or it has been beat to death put a new spin on it. Also keywords need to direct precise traffic not anyone and so forth/\.

[TrafficWhizz]

The structure in which you set up your PPC campiagns can really effect how profitable your PPC turns out. I have only found this out recently as have teamed up with one of the best PPC & SEO guys around. There are certian things that must be done and within a few days you can see your average CPC drop like anything.

The main thing to take into consideration is your keyword research. Start off at the main generic and then work back until you find small little niche keywords.

I hope this helps, Pm me if you need some more help

[UncleHQ]

Hi,

Maybe it is time to look at another approach - PPC works but you are depending (it seems) on one method - click and the sale happens.

What do you have at the other end of the click?

You already know that the click is from someone who is interested, are you getting their details to follow up with if they don't buy then and there?

If they do buy then and there, do you know who is buying, have you got their details to say "Thanks for your purchase"?

A couple of things to think about.

Brian

[harrysidhu]

well how do i get that information?

[7figurehelper]

PPC DOES work it's just not for everybody. be extremely careful who you listen to. My best advice is to see where you are taking your customers too after they click on your ad.

Landing pages work best. Then have that landing page go to your affiliate product. That way you can capture the lead's information.

With marketing period you have to be prepared to spend time, energy, and money mastering your craft IF you expect it to yield you a good harvest.

[USEO]

Hi Harry

PPC will always end in doom unless you have a good strategy from the outset.

I have just started a review for a new PPC product.

What I like about it is that it uses similar techniques to the stuff I outsource in the UK.

Do I think this product will help you?

Yes I do.

I bought it today and this product represents the only product I have ever seen about PPC that has impressed me.

THE PROBLEM IS THE PRICE.

I cover this briefly on the Blog.

If the price is an obstacle I would suggest maybe trying to focus on SEO.

If you are interested drop me a PM maybe you would review an SEO product for me in advance of it going on sale??

It's for beginners and may help you to re-focus your efforts.

PPC is IM the hard way.

Let me know.

Craig IPK

[tylerjaysen]

what exactly is that showing...that you received a bunch of clicks?

PPC works...I've been doing it for years now and have made money. The trick is to track and test..and yeah you have to have a budget.

But most newbies put up a bunch of ads with 1000 keywords in the adgroup and have crappy CTR and then spend $1000 and hardly even profit and give up.

TO be successful at PPC you have to start small on your budget and track at the keyword level. Also track landing pages and different CB offers...it's a numbers game for sure...and the guys selling all the make $100 a day with adwords ebooks....well they always sell the end dream....they also forget to mention the cost of getting that $100 per day. Most of that is not net. So to make $100 per day they might spend $20.

[waken]

1) Did you leverage on the clicks? (Build List)
If yes, then I believe you haven't take that into your profit count. If no, no wonder you're getting no where.

2) Did you track your clicks? You have to track each and every click to weed out the loser and focus on the winner. If yes, then the tracking you're using was not providing enough info. Dump it and get a good one. If no, you'll be where you're even after a year.

I probably shouldn't have posted that without more information. That screenshot is from 4 months of a campaign that generated around $7M in revenue for a retail client. Their net profit margin at that time was at around 60%. Total cost for the campaign including all of the other ad groups came in at around $250k for the entire four month period.

You have to have scratch to risk and know how to track conversions on the back end or, over enough time, any PPC campaign is going to be a bust. One of the best metrics to begin tracking and calculating is your customer acquisition cost. This is especially true if you're promoting another brand and aren't gathering the sales information yourself (which means you can't calculate a customer's lifetime value.)

Rarely will a single day's traffic and sales data give you a clear indicator of the efficacy of a campaign. Unless you're strapped for cash (in which case you should find a different marketing medium to dabble in) avoid the temptation to kill off a campaign you've got a strong feeling about after only a single day. Set your daily limits to something you're comfortable losing completely. If after a week, you're spending $15 on average to make $10, you either need to do some serious tweaking or kill the campaign. Look at those losses as paying for your education. The more stats you pull down and store, the better your education will be.

I'd advise anyone that doesn't already have a PPC tracking utility they love to look into the completely free Prosper202 suite. It can give you a lot of insight and if setup properly, calculates the profitability of campaigns in real-time.

[Steadyon]

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

Where would you say most internet millionaires make their money?

On the internet


On a serious note, there are hundreds of major niches. There are millionaires in the majority of the niches I would say.

Don't forget there are probably many thousands of sub-niches too, with many people making a decent living.

Most people try to make money in things they have NO knowledge about or interest in. Most of these end up failing.

That's not to say you have to have a driving passion for what you do, but it must help.

Tips:

Don't try to teach others how to make money if you haven't done it yourself first.

Don't sell weight loss stuff if you are fat and overweight yourself.

Don't teach how to get a woman of your dreams if you can't even get a date in the red light district.

Don't teach people to have soft beautiful wringle-free skin if your face is like a dried prune.

Etc. etc...

Hopefully you get my point.

[harrysidhu]

haha yeah good point from what i know so far i take my clickbank hop link and when the customer clicks my ad on Google they get sent to the item page but the thing is everyone's doing that same thing with the same product and page. I do have money to spend on ppc but like some bids go up into 2 dollars a click by that standard 100 clicks no sale im donw 200 dollars and since im firts on the page im likely ot get 1000 clicks meaning im down 2000 dollars lol am i missing something with the people that bid so high for a click?

[TiMa]

HarrySidhu,

You can keep a daily budget. Your ads will stop showing once your "daily spend limit" is reached. That way, you can put a daily budget of $200, and not worry about losing $2000 when you wake up the next morning. :P

~Bhavik.

[harrysidhu]

oh yeah i forgot about that so its just trial and error. For something so simple seems like most people aren't successful i would be happy making 100 dollars a day.

[harrysidhu]

whats seo?

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

whats seo?

Search engine optimization.

[harrysidhu]

how many ads do most successful people have running at once is it better to have lots or little?

[AlbertF]

Just make sure before you launch your campaign that the affiliate that you are promoting has a good looking landing page or your sales won't convert and your losing advertising money for nothing. It is good to experiment, so it isn't always a gamble for you.

[USEO]

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

whats seo?

Hi Harry,

Not sure if you are serious here. (I'll get to the "SEO")

After reading your post title I then became interested in your post because
PPC is a disaster waiting to happen for anyone who is in the early part of
the learning cycle.

As a Noob You will ALWAYS lose money using PPC marketing.

However, like anything, you improve with time, and start to learn how to
become more effective:

Selecting ( and promoting) products that ACTUALLY CONVERT strongly -
E.g 1 sale in every 20 clicks as opposed to 1 sales every 1000 clicks.

The difference between Product x and Product y may not seem so
apparent at first glance.

Selecting products that convert at 1 in every 20 clicks, say product x, is
not that difficult once you start to figure it out (free article on the IPK Blog
early May).

You need to understand WHY Product x converts to a sale (and thus your
profit) from far fewer clicks than Product y.

The large spend figures that Blackhatzen shows serve as a good example
of where you can take PPC.

I don't know Blackhatzen but I do know guys (I outsource to some of
them) who spend £20k a day ($30k) on PPC for themselves - let alone
clients.

Sure they have access to very sophisticated tracking and analytics and
truly have mastered the art - allbeit after huge losses at times - but that
is not to say YOU can't get to that level in time.

The key with PPC to a noob is start very small and start very carefully.

I started by just bidding on [exact match] on loads of campaigns (examples below).

I focussed on Quality Score so low cost PC and also only bid on keywords
that implied (to some degree) a SALE.

For example:

[buy nintendo ds console]

or [pink ds lite console]

The "pink" suggests the searcher is ACTUALLY looking for a specific console
(and therefore offers a high probability of a sale) rather than [ds lite
console] where many searches may be looking for games, accessories or
even just to look at pictures.

Land a $.04c click on a page featuring aff. links to Pink DS Console
suppliers and you will be profitable using that strategy.

The down side is you will get way fewer clicks than if you bid to appear for
any search that includes "DS Console".

The up side is THIS IS A PERFECT STRATEGY for a noob.

You get to learn your way around Google Adwords with a very very low risk
of losing money.

Right - I was working towards "SEO"

SEO - Search Engine Optimization is the best way for a noob to start
out.

If you pick certain niche keywords for small "mini site" projects - and I'm
talking as few as 5000 broad match results a month (there are MILLIONS of
these available).

If you optimize your pages (so ON PAGE SEO) correctly you can get to
Google #1 (or at least page 1) very easily without the need to rely on
"powerful" back links!

No risk (apart from the cost of a domain) and potentially very healthy
profits from half a days work.

In the free IPK Blog article next month I am going to show a real example
of an "average" mini site that was created in 3 hours and makes £2200+
($3500) a year without ever having been touched or "tweaked" since it
went live.

The reason it is able to pull in $3,500 a year from 2 hours work is because
it converts to a sale every 30 clicks or so. Again it's knowing what type of
products convert this way.

I'm writing the article in response to our members who have been asking
for more support in this area - it's not as obvious as you may think - but
once you understand that a certain keyword/product converts better than
most others it becomes a simple case of rinse & repeat.

Multiply that by one site every 3 days and you are talking over $400,000 a
year.

It is NOT difficult and represents a risk free strategy that is a great
alternative to PPC.

In fact you can even combine the [exact match keyword] PPC method with
this SEO strategy as a means to improving your understanding and
effectiveness with PPC.

Moral: If you are a noob - read up on mini site SEO strategies rather than
losing money with PPC.

The alternative is BUY a very well respected course/e book on PPC. That
may just be a great investment and save you the "getting it all wrong".

Cheers, I'm off down the PUB.

Craig IPK...

[harrysidhu]

well i know a bit about ppc read some ebooks on ppc even made some sales last year but i stopped for a while. Is it possible ot get a sale evry 10 or 20 clicks, because that would be really good and i do have a website so how do i get it ranked on google like you said?

[harrysidhu]

i did make 100 dollars from 14 clicks it was selling some product that made you jump higher at the time it seemed like it wouldn't sell but it did. I don't know why but i stopped it after i got the sale lol

[USEO]

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

well i know a bit about ppc read some ebooks on ppc even made some sales last year but i stopped for a while. Is it possible ot get a sale evry 10 or 20 clicks, because that would be really good and i do have a website so how do i get it ranked on google like you said?

Hi Harry,

a sale every 10 clicks is highly unlikely, although if you bid on something like:
[where to buy wii fit] at times when it's very scarce in availability,
assuming you had access to stock (either via an affiliate link or drop
shipper) you may convert at 1 in 10.

I once converted at 1 in 3 clicks for a kids game (Dec 2007) I was paying
£0.02p a click (1c at the time) and sold over 17,000 units in 5 weeks.

It was tipped as the #1 best selling Xmas gift of 2007 and NOBODY WAS
BIDDING ON IT. I was the ONLY ad appearing on Google Paid Ad's

The reason no one was bidding on it was because no one thought it was
worth it at a payout of around 25p per sale - ($0.38c). I thought different.

As I say it's all down to the EXACT CIRCUMSTANCES of the product.

This is what's going in the freebie Blog article next month:

"Why some products convert highly from very few clicks".

I don't have the time to go into it here - hence the article early next
month, but what I would say is this:

Research is King! You have to think things through in relation to your
keywords and the product.

Think about the product in relation to the keywords you bid on!!!

Try to bid on keywords that imply a "sale" [nintendo dsi console prices]

rather than [nintendo dsi console]...

For the record - the lower the price of an item the higher the chance of a
sale (from fewer clicks) this is why part of IPK covers lower ticket items -
easy to get ranked on page 1 / high chance of a sale.

Craig IPK

[MrMike]

What ever you do, make your focus 100% on building a quality list.

[harrysidhu]

what are some must have tools that i need to track sales and contact people after the initial sale is made and all that?

[romeoicq]

PPC is not that good for newbies, try article marketing first

[davidjames42973]

Hi Harry,

You should really consider landing pages. I know Amazon and the Google gods will be happier with you in the long run.

I suggest opening an account at commission junction and apply for a bunch of places to promote products for. This will give you a wide range of stuff to promote.

Have you tried using google trends yet? Look at google trends, look at the trends that people are searching for that hour, throw together a quick landing page and an adwords campaign.

I've done this before and have had some success. It's not the "gateway to making millions," but maybe it could add a few more hundreds in your pocket a month...

[harrysidhu]

can i have my ads appear only at certain time sin the day where i know i will convert better so not to lose money and how many campaigns should i run at once?

[davidjames42973]

Go to Google Trends, look at today's hot trends, click on more hot trends, then look at everything that people are searching for. Click on each article, you will see a graph. If you see the trend graph climbing, throw together a quick article on squidoo or something. I personally would just copy something to the squidoo lens and add a link where I got the article from. Then I put some links to the affiliate page.

You can put together as many campaigns as you want, but honestly, I wouldn't risk putting too much money into this.

It's going to require a lot of toying around and tweaking, but you should be able to make a little more money. People have claimed that they make a few hundreds of dollars a day doing this, but I personally haven't made that much with this method. I think the most I made was $40-$50 in a day, but then again I've only played around with this and usually spend my time making money online other ways.

[harrysidhu]

cant I just make adwords link and use that to promote a product from clickbank

[harrysidhu]

also i have a website that sells tons of ebooks for really cheap and wondering if theres any potential for that. The ebooks can be bought and resold for higher prices or changed up and mad einot your own or you can just buy them to read.

[sevenish]

Originally Posted by harrysidhu

can i have my ads appear only at certain time sin the day where i know i will convert better so not to lose money and how many campaigns should i run at once?

Harry, You should really consider researching the Google Adwords site and forums. You could have gotten your answers there, had you bothered to investigate.

[harrysidhu]

sorry, wow man people are uptight i already started this thread so i thought it would be ok to post in it.