Make money with RSS mash

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I've just built a Yahoo Pipe that delivers highly targeted content mashed up from various RSS feeds.

I want to put it into a membership site for which I would charge an entry fee.

Does anyone know - is there any way at all of setting that up so it would be legal?

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    So you've curated content from various places around the web, and now you want to charge for it via a membership site?

    Sounds legit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thaddeus
      It does? I'm pleased if so. I thought the content would be copyright of the original publisher and therefore I could run into trouble if I tried to make money off it.

      Mind you, it's effectively aggregating a load of free ads, and my users would have to click through to their site, so I can't see why they'd complain if I get them more views.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Thaddeus View Post

        I thought the content would be copyright of the original publisher and therefore I could run into trouble if I tried to make money off it.
        You thought right.

        Forget about it. It's wrong, and quite possibly illegal.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thaddeus
          Oh, sarcasm. I see. Very helpful, thanks.

          Actually I don't see why it's wrong this time. It would take someone a hell of a lot of time scouting around various sites to come up with the list of stuff I've built, and it's all there in one place, regularly updated, so it definitely adds value and saves the punters hours.

          And as I said, the visitors have to go back to the original sites if they want to take action, so the original sites gain too.

          'May be' illegal? Well, yes, that's what I'm asking. I'm not an illegal kind of guy, so if it is I won't act on it - but just assuming it is against the law isn't enough. Has anyone got any concrete facts on this situation?
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by Thaddeus View Post

            It would take someone a hell of a lot of time scouting around various sites to come up with the list of stuff I've built.
            C'mon man. I was being sarcastic because its such a ridiculous notion. You' re asking us if it's okay to make money from someone else's efforts? By simply curating their content in one place so it saves them time? I think what you're doing verges on theft. Infact, do you have permission to use their material? Is it within a PAID members area? Do the publishers know that you're going to make money from their work?

            This just reeks of bad in every sense.

            You know just as well as everyone else that has read this thread that what you're doing isnt right, otherwise you wouldn't have asked.

            I think a more appropriate title would have been ...

            "I want to make money by using other peoples stuff inside a paid membership, do you think I'll get away with it?"

            My responses in here are often sarcastic because the questions asked are so ridiculous.

            I'm trying to get a message across to people that GET IT.

            Offer quality. Value add to the web.

            There's enough garbage out there already. We don't need to add to it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

              C'mon man. I was being sarcastic because its such a ridiculous notion. You' re asking us if it's okay to make money from someone else's efforts? By simply curating their content in one place so it saves them time? I think what you're doing verges on theft. Infact, do you have permission to use their material? Is it within a PAID members area? Do the publishers know that you're going to make money from their work?

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              RSS - Real Simple Syndication.

              Considering RSS was invented to syndicate content from one site to another, many people consider using content inside RSS as Fair Use and the publisher of the content is giving consent by publishing it in RSS format.

              IMO, if you don't want your content sydicated via RSS, don't use RSS and don't post a RSS button on your site advertising that you have an RSS pheed available.
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              • Profile picture of the author MP80
                I seem to recall a similar conversation here regarding using a collection of youtube videos in a membership site (sorry, I haven't tracked down the thread yet.)

                EDIT: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-content.html

                Bottom line was that, although the videos were allowed to be used on an 'open' site, it was not 'legal' to prevent access to them through a paid site.

                Not sure how that relates to this, but it's food for thought, at least.

                EDIT:

                From Yahoo Pipes terms of service:

                e. If your product or service uses or is based upon Yahoo! Pipes, then YOU SHALL comply with the following:

                iii. You represent and warrant to Yahoo! that: (a) you have the right to use, reproduce, transmit, copy, publicly display, publicly perform, and distribute any content in or made available to Yahoo! and Yahoo! users by your use of Yahoo! Pipes in the manner contemplated under this Agreement, and that use by Yahoo! or others of any such content via the Service shall not violate the rights of any third party (e.g., copyright, patent, trademark, or other proprietary right of any person or entity), or any applicable regulation or law, including but not limited to any export, re-export, or import laws and the laws of any country in which your content or service is made available;

                f. YOU SHALL NOT:

                iv. Sell, lease, share, transfer, or sublicense Yahoo! Pipes or derive income from the use of Yahoo! Pipes in conjunction with Yahoo! APIs or other web services, whether for direct commercial or monetary gain or otherwise, without Yahoo!'s prior, express, written permission;
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    • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      So you've curated content from various places around the web, and now you want to charge for it via a membership site?

      Sounds legit.
      John,

      You have to remember that sarcasm is a hard to grasp concept for some

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  • Profile picture of the author winagain
    It should be legal, since you are selling the access to your curated content.
    However, I can hardly see anyone buying something like that, given that so much content is free and easy to find.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Not sure about legality of it but it's not a good plan. Yahoo Pipes is old school. If you insist on doing something like this Rebel Mouse would probably be better, you can integrate RSS feeds from blogs, Facebook, Twitter, YT, pinterest, tumblr and various other social media feeds into one page. It looks good too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thaddeus
      John, so you're basically saying that all aggregation is bad?
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      • Profile picture of the author Thaddeus
        Rebelmouse looks interesting.... but I want to host the output on my own site. Does it allow you to do that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Thaddeus
    It may seem I'm labouring a point, but we're all just saying equivalent of 'it feels bad, so it must be illegal' aren't we?

    Firstly, as mentioned above, I do believe that saving people hours of their time is adding value. In fact that's pretty fundamental. That's what we're all marketing all the time, so that's the users taken care of.

    And why would the publishers mind if I'm using their content to drive more traffic to their site? (I guess I need to speak to them.)

    But, you know, I'm not sure I see the difference between selling ads and charging memberships Chris.

    Look, who ever would really go to the trouble of aggregating a mass of carefully chosen stuff if they didn't want to make money out of it?

    You can bet your boots Pinterest are sweating blood over the best way of doing this right now. All the discussions around them seem to centre on the fact that they don't want to alienate their users rather than it's going to get them into legal hot water.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thaddeus
    The threat of getting my ass sued later down the line.

    Hoping to find someone in here who has actually been doing this successfully - or not - and can advise.
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by Thaddeus View Post

      The threat of getting my ass sued later down the line.

      Hoping to find someone in here who has actually been doing this successfully - or not - and can advise.
      Man this thread is so funny I dont know what to do with you. You've been advised not to do it, in several post. You can't be serious. This is crazy man LMAO

      wish you were here to see it. Ok let me demonstrate


      Serving up nice and complicated just like you like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thaddeus
    It's a highly non technical audience, so most of the members won't have any idea how it works.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

    So you've curated content from various places around the web, and now you want to charge for it via a membership site?

    Sounds legit.
    Why is this so bad? Just because you are curating content from around the internet and putting into one convenient location for users to view at a price doesn't make it illegal or un-ethical.

    I am assuming you grow all your own vegies, milk your own cows, and slaughter your own chickens for food too? Just because it is freely available everywhere in the world it doesn't mean supermarkets are unethical because they combine it into one place and charge for the convenience...?

    Think about it people, this structure of business is what many big businesses are based on.

    If it is legal, which I don't see why it wouldn't be, then my opinion is go for it. It could be a lucrative business opportunity!
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  • Profile picture of the author dad2four
    I'd do some research about the legality of using scraped content.

    I'd take noones "opinion" on the isssue.

    Talk to a lawyer, maybe head down to your local law library and do some research.

    I've done some scraping for customers in the past. I wasn't sure if it was legal or not.

    At one point I got ticked off at the guy that "hijacked" geocaching.com so I wrote an app that constantly scraped the geocaches off the site. I intended to hand the collection over to the group that this guy hijacked the concept from so that they could get a jump on him and hopefully compete.

    In the end, I decided to mind my own business. Sometimes the fun is in the challenge and once you make it work, blah.

    Anyway, if you find a good solid legit answer I'd love to know it.

    My understanding is that when you publish on the web your content is autimatically "copyrighted" and only you have rights to legally republish it.

    However, we all know as IMers that you can regurgetate anything you want as long as you change it up enough that it doesn't resemble the original or you put it in your own words, or mash the content up with new ideas or other content.

    Some sites allow syndication, like ezinearticles so as long as you follow their TOS you can republish to your hearts content.

    This is an interesting line though. Data is data. If a house is for sale, there is an address. Is an address copyrighted? How can it be proved that you "scraped" the data and even if you did is it illegal? Now if you move into the description of the house, you may be moving into copyright territory.

    No matter what, many of us out here are doing nothing but giving you guesses as to what's illegal and what's not.

    You should definitely talk to a pro or two and then you'll know. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author raffman999
    If you have a question about legalities this is not the place to ask it. No disrespect intended to those who have replied previously, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they are not qualified to answer the legal questions you have. This won't stop people offering their opinion, but that's all it is; a lay person's opinion. Speak to a lawyer in you want a definitive answer on this; "the Warrior Forum told me so" won't stand up in court.

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author bullfrog
    DRUDGE REPORT 2013® is an example of a Web site that is curating content and making a fortune.

    Now, the site isn't charging membership fees ... revenues seem to come primarily from advertising. The site essentially republishes headlines (sometimes rewrites them) ... I'm no lawyer, but I'm guessing this would fall under Fair Use according to U.S. Copyright law.
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  • Profile picture of the author ron34689
    So really liked this thread but man you guy's can bust some balls can't you lol...
    But really,who knows how much education any one person has when they ask a question,or try to comprehend the answer to the question? sarcastic comments are fine upfront,I take them as being on the funny side of the intent but once it goes past that then I got to ask just who does it help to make more and more annoyed types of comments?
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