How to Crash and Burn Your List

11 years ago

I have also noticed this "shot gun" type emails, but from a different approach, what I notice is that when I buy a WSO, some of those less honest marketers, sell, rent, or do ad swaps, so I end up getting multiple emails from many different marketers, all promoting the same WSOs, I cant say just how this makes me feel in this thread, but this kind of email marketing is a stain on IM and on those types of low life people that engage in this type of behavior.

As an example I received today, 8 different emails from 8 different marketers, all promoting the same product, (only two of those were legitimate emails from marketers that I had done business with in the past.)

That means that six emails were received from marketers who had no right nor permission to send me any kind of email.

This is just plain wrong,.

Not only will I not buy from those marketers, but they go on my black list.;

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rmolina88

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tim Franklin

As an example I received today, 8 different emails from 8 different marketers, all promoting the same product, (only two of those were legitimate emails from marketers that I had done business with in the past.)

It's even sadder when they use the same swipe email. :rolleyes:

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ExRat

11 years ago

Hi Kay,

I had a couple from the one person out of the blue a few days ago, I don't recall buying off him in the past but I may have done.

What I noticed was that they were addressed to my primary paypal, so it was from a buyer's list, not a newsletter signup.

Were yours to your primary paypal email too?

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Crimsonchip

11 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Kay,

I had a couple from the one person out of the blue a few days ago, I don't recall buying off him in the past but I may have done.

What I noticed was that they were addressed to my primary paypal, so it was from a buyer's list, not a newsletter signup.

Were yours to your primary paypal email too?

I've had my primary Paypal email address compromised, too, by a certain Warriorforum/"WSO Alert" guy in these forums... This was back in 2011, and I've received countless spam messages as a result of buying a $9.95 product.

He still spams me from various accounts. I complain to list providers, and they occasionally do yank his (latest) account.

Good luck to you.

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yesacpow 11 years ago

The reason why that's happening is because most marketers or at least 'wanna be marketers' are working of a numbers approach.

The idea is that they can do a lot of adswaps and solos and build a large list and just hammer them with offers after offers without even caring about these persons needs.

So basically the larger their email lists, the higher the chance of them getting opens, clicks and possibly make a few sales.
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talfighel

11 years ago

Many marketers do this to this day. They have a large list of prospects and email them when they have a new offer. That list can sit there for them for months without touching it and they still get buyers.

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drewfioravanti

11 years ago

I thought this was a call out thread because one of my email subjects is "How To Crash And Burn". lol

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aakon7

11 years ago

Today Amazon sent me 7 emails all trying to sell stuff before noon #FAIL

Even large companies have problems managing their lists too.

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cashcow 11 years ago

Originally Posted by aakon7

Today Amazon sent me 7 emails all trying to sell stuff before noon #FAIL

Even large companies have problems managing their lists too.

Today they sent me one trying to get me to buy my own book!
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- Kay King 11 years ago
  
  Were yours to your primary paypal email too?
  
  Yes, they were and I didn't think about that. I very seldom sign up for a newsletter - almost all lists I end up on are due to buying something.
  
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  OnlineStoreHelp 11 years ago
  
  I have one girl (or guy, it might have changed because when I unsubscribed it was a mans name...) who was sending me 3 to 5 emails every day. Now another marketer on here, does about 1 email every week or so. Guess who I keep on my list and guess whose emails I open up almost all the time.
  
  Sometimes its just as easy to to updates to books and courses you have done that they have bought. Its a simple email that keeps you up to date!
  
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  ExRat 11 years ago
  
  Hi Kay,
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Yes, they were and I didn't think about that. I very seldom sign up for a newsletter - almost all lists I end up on are due to buying something.
  
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- mywebwork 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by cashcow
  
  Today they sent me one trying to get me to buy my own book!
  
  Did you buy a copy?
  
  :rolleyes:
  
  Seriously I have also noticed this lately. Amusingly one of my New Years resolutions was to clean up my inbox on a few of my e-mail accounts and unsubscribe from everything except the few newsletters I find truly useful.
  
  So in a way they are doing me a favor as I'm unsubscribing to those old "ghosts" as soon as they come in! Especially any mailing that trys to sell me a WSO - I'm perfectly capable of going to the WSO section on my own without anyones help thank you.
  
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- Joe Stewart 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by cashcow
  
  Today they sent me one trying to get me to buy my own book!
  
  Surely you saw the great value in your product and picked it up, right? LOL
  
  I've been getting hammered lately too. What sucks is that some of these guys used to be top-notch marketers. They'd actually take the time to do a review that was incredibly valuable in its own right. Lately it's been a lot of churn and burn. That's hard to fathom, but sometimes people change. It's too bad.
  
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mikeac

11 years ago

Ive been a victim of this also. I purchased a product not to long ago and the list owner would hammer me affiliate products each and every day. He doesnt try to connect or build a relationship with his subscribers. After a little while i got tired of all that and unsubscribed.

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Kay King

11 years ago

What I see happening is IMers skipping AutoResponder101.

This isn't an email problem or an online problem - it's an IM niche disease. The absolute beauty of an autoresponder is the "auto" part. If you are going to build a list in a new niche, the email "series" is part of building your blog or site, promotion, etc.

Too many IMers aren't preparing - they are gathering names and emails and shouting at them whenever they have a free moment.

Yes, you have to PLAN an email series, WRITE it, SET UP your autoresponder and specify how often emails are sent. It's a planned sequence of contacts that can build trust, gain interest...get sales.

The marketers who blast you with promo emails several times a day aren't planning ahead - didn't bother with creating a series of emails.
An extra email "blast" can be a great attention getter if used sparingly. As a list management tool - it's not effective long term.

In the IM niche especially, newbies often show a price progression (tolerance) in what they buy. A $7 or $17 product is a biggie for someone totally new. They don't trust sellers or the internet - they aren't willing to risk much at first.

A couple months later $27 sounds like a good price to that person and it can take 4-6 months before $47, 67, 97 are prices he's willing to pay. A planned email series works around that uncertainty.

In other specialized niches, that's not the case because the list is built of people with interest and knowledge in that niche. In the "make money" niche - it's the money that is a driving force...not the Internet Marketing aspect....at least in the beginning.

The point is -if you want a responsive list, do the prep work in advance, know what you are sending out and WHY you are sending it. "Build" a list by treating signups as intelligent human beings instead of a wall to sling mud at.

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Malcolm Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

What I see happening is IMers skipping AutoResponder101.

This isn't an email problem or an online problem - it's an IM niche disease. The absolute beauty of an autoresponder is the "auto" part. If you are going to build a list in a new niche, the email "series" is part of building your blog or site, promotion, etc.

Too many IMers aren't preparing - they are gathering names and emails and shouting at them whenever they have a free moment.

Yes, you have to PLAN an email series, WRITE it, SET UP your autoresponder and specify how often emails are sent. It's a planned sequence of contacts that can build trust, gain interest...get sales.

The marketers who blast you with promo emails several times a day aren't planning ahead - didn't bother with creating a series of emails.
An extra email "blast" can be a great attention getter if used sparingly. As a list management tool - it's not effective long term.

In the IM niche especially, newbies often show a price progression (tolerance) in what they buy. A $7 or $17 product is a biggie for someone totally new. They don't trust sellers or the internet - they aren't willing to risk much at first.

A couple months later $27 sounds like a good price to that person and it can take 4-6 months before $47, 67, 97 are prices he's willing to pay. A planned email series works around that uncertainty.

In other specialized niches, that's not the case because the list is built of people with interest and knowledge in that niche. In the "make money" niche - it's the money that is a driving force...not the Internet Marketing aspect....at least in the beginning.

The point is -if you want a responsive list, do the prep work in advance, know what you are sending out and WHY you are sending it. "Build" a list by treating signups as intelligent human beings instead of a wall to sling mud at.

kay

Awesome post. The beauty of an autoresponder is the fact that it's automated. But to build a highly responsive list you do have to set up a proper sales funnel and build trust with your subscribers.

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erwin78

11 years ago

Hi everyone,

I see the same stuff a lots of rubbish email
It is not professional but if I'm getting 2 - 3 emails a day
with the same offer it is sure I will unsubscribe!

So why people are so stupid to do this!

You must treat your list with respect and don't spam it everyday

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higherluv 11 years ago

I guess they should keep it up - that way I'll get more sign-ups to mine... :p
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Sue McDonald

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

If you plant seeds in the garden in April and ignore garden maintenance all summer - you can't go out and harvest food in August. All you will find is weeds. If you don't maintain and cultivate your mailing list - there's no profit in it.

kay

Kay so very true. I have been getting emails form people I have never bought anything from or even signed up for a free product.

Some emails I have received lately are total span so I just hit the spam key and what annoys me is some of the subject lines - like "I have paid for this for you so get your download now."

Another thing I find very annoying is the amount of pop ups used. I guess the only thing to do is unsubscribe if you can or hit the spam button if you cannot unsubscribe.

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Crimsonchip

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Was your New Year's resolution "I'm going to email my lists next year?" I've been noticing a huge increase in emails from list owners in the past month. This isn't spam as I'm on the lists for a reason - I either bought a WSO or downloaded a freebie here.

I've had no email contact from these sellers for months. Two of them sent me a thank you page and one or two followup emails but nothing else. In the past 30 days I've had over 150 emails from three list owners. I get 2-4 emails from each of them a day - two of them send the same email promo twice a day. Is some IM guru advising this?

Every email is a sales spiel for a product or "my friend's launch" or a WSO affiliate link. No info, no lead-in, just a few lines and a "go here and buy this" link.

If you plant seeds in the garden in April and ignore garden maintenance all summer - you can't go out and harvest food in August. All you will find is weeds. If you don't maintain and cultivate your mailing list - there's no profit in it.

This isn't a complaint - I've already unsubscribed. It struck me what a waste of time it is to email blast an old, cold list.

kay

Everyone, if you're wondering who is sending those forged emails... Allow me to share these facts with you:

In May 2012 I bought a $7 product from Ryan Deiss' site, Digital Marketer / digitalmarketer.com -- using a *one-time use* email address.

Guess which email address turned up in the Danny Black spam emails that went out today, which, curiously, do not have Ryan Deiss' information anywhere?

That's right, the one-time use email address I gave Ryan Deiss / Digital Marketer.

Thanks, Ryan!

It's my understanding that the spam emails in question are illegal pursuant to 15 U.S.C. 7701, et seq. in a number of respects. I'm just saying.

(Also, for clarification, the senders/parties I'm referring to in this post are entirely different than the ones I referred to in the last post I made, above.)

By the way, if you're planning on giving your email address to Digital Marketer / digitalmarketer.com, well... Is it worth it? That's up to you.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Crimsonchip

Everyone, if you're wondering who is sending those forged emails... Allow me to share these facts with you:

In May 2012 I bought a $7 product from Ryan Deiss' site, Digital Marketer / digitalmarketer.com -- using a *one-time use* email address.

Guess which email address turned up in the Danny Black spam emails that went out today, which, curiously, do not have Ryan Deiss' information anywhere?

That's right, the one-time use email address I gave Ryan Deiss / Digital Marketer.

Thanks, Ryan!

A month ago Ryan's email database was, IMHO, obviously hacked. I decided to delete the one-time email addresses I used, but that could be the spam source and not Ryan selling your email.

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Crimsonchip

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

A month ago Ryan's email database was, IMHO, obviously hacked. I decided to delete the one-time email addresses I used, but that could be the spam source and not Ryan selling your email.

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Very interesting that you say Ryan Deiss' whole email list was hacked.

I did a Google search and did find exactly one link suggesting that his email list was hacked, but the one I'm looking at appears to be speculating; does anyone have any proof or at least some indicator beyond a mere idea that Deiss got "hacked," and in fact did not simply joint venture out his email list to others?

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MP80

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Was your New Year's resolution "I'm going to email my lists next year?" I've been noticing a huge increase in emails from list owners in the past month. This isn't spam as I'm on the lists for a reason - I either bought a WSO or downloaded a freebie here.

I've had no email contact from these sellers for months...

Hi Kay,

Yes, I'm definitely noticing this trend lately too.. My first instinct is to mark those emails as spam but, after a lengthy search through my email account, I usually discover that I have subscribed to their list some time ago.

Maybe I'm fussy, lol, but here are my top few reasons for unsubscribing (aside from the obvious):

1) Overusing terms like "weird" in subject lines/emails (what's up with that, anyway!? :confused

2) Sending me [seemingly] endless invitations to webinars...

3) Providing absolutely no information in emails, so that I have to clickthru...

4) Not stating in your email 'who' you are, and how I got onto your list.

5) Sending me nothing but software, videos, plugins to buy, when I have almost never purchased anything other than pdf reports (and LOTS of them!) :confused:

6) Repeatedly sending me the exact same email.

7) Not giving me an easy way to unsubscribe. If you tell me to 'email you to unsubscribe' or 'please enter your email here to unsubscribe' then you're going to be blocked!

8) Trying to get me to buy anything from "forum special offers", or whatever that spammy-looking site is called (Not to be confused with WSOs.)

9) Sending me a FREE 'gift' with a catch (e.g. optin/adswap.)

Ok, there are probably a few more, but I think that will do, lol. :p

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Paul Gram

11 years ago

For me, it depends on the content of the email. I actually like being on a list where they only send out emails once or twice a month, or even once every couple of months BUT...when they DO send emails, as long as the content is good and it's not a sales pitch every time, I wouldn't think of unsubscribing.

For those that send out crappy no content emails, I'd unsubscribe whether they did it daily or only 3 times per year. For me it comes down to value, not how often.

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J Bold

11 years ago

Yep, should have just deleted the old list and started anew.

That way, this thread would have never existed.

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MP80 11 years ago

Originally Posted by J Bold

That way, this thread would have never existed.

That is quite a BOLD statement. :p
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

It struck me what a waste of time it is to email blast an old, cold list.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Was your New Year's resolution "I'm going to email my lists next year?" I've been noticing a huge increase in emails from list owners in the past month. This isn't spam as I'm on the lists for a reason - I either bought a WSO or downloaded a freebie here.

I've had no email contact from these sellers for months. Two of them sent me a thank you page and one or two followup emails but nothing else. In the past 30 days I've had over 150 emails from three list owners. I get 2-4 emails from each of them a day - two of them send the same email promo twice a day. Is some IM guru advising this?

Every email is a sales spiel for a product or "my friend's launch" or a WSO affiliate link. No info, no lead-in, just a few lines and a "go here and buy this" link.

If you plant seeds in the garden in April and ignore garden maintenance all summer - you can't go out and harvest food in August. All you will find is weeds. If you don't maintain and cultivate your mailing list - there's no profit in it.

This isn't a complaint - I've already unsubscribed. It struck me what a waste of time it is to email blast an old, cold list.

kay

Boy do I hear that Kay.....

Multiple emails per day pitching all sorts of products...WSO's (of dubious quality)....and just about any other product they can ring a dollar from.

And these are from some 'big names' on this forum.

I've never received one email that contained any information or helpful content. All product pitches and about 30 words long.

Pathetic really, and just about the fastest way to burn out a list, and screw up a reputation.

I'm so fed up, I've jumped ship on 4 lists so far.

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Randall Magwood

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

In the past 30 days I've had over 150 emails from three list owners. I get 2-4 emails from each of them a day - two of them send the same email promo twice a day. Is some IM guru advising this?

List owners like this would have been unsubscribed to on day half. I hate it too when people spam me twice a day to buy their product... no useful content or anything. I feel your pain.

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wendigital13 11 years ago

Randall I feel the same way. I believe there may be someone that claims to be a guru. However it would seem that it is a desperation move to see what works. Not a good thing.
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ezekielseo

11 years ago

I treat my list like gold, and always will.

Some marketers need to learn that their contains people, not ATM machines.

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Malcolm Thomas

11 years ago

Yes, I've recently begun noticing the same thing as well. I think the most important thing to do is offer value to your list, not spam them to death.

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JasonBennet

11 years ago

I experience it too as I got like 7 emails a day from one marketer till I just opt out from his list. Most of the time I sent out one email per day and there are days when the maximum number of emails I sent is 2 emails. A timely reminder to always focus on giving values to subscribers.

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Mr Squeeze

11 years ago

I know exactly how you all feel, the email I really hate are the misleading subject ones like...

- Your commissions have cleared
- Your account is set up
- THIS IS IMPORTANT (read)
- ACCEPT
- Access your purchase

There is one guy from right here on WF, who is from poland and he sends multiple emails along the lines of the ones above daily.

Most of the time you click the link and end up right at another squeeze page.

Maybe it's down to a number of popular wso's telling people to grow a list and then sell solo ads to make some cash.

It seems that people are only interested in sheer numbers and not quality, because if they have a list that can deliver x amount of clicks they can charge y for a solo ad.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

I agree with many of the prior posts.

My personal Pet Peeve is subject lines that include "Re:"

We weren't just talking! Get real

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mywebwork 11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

I agree with many of the prior posts.

My personal Pet Peeve is subject lines that include "Re:"

We weren't just talking! Get real

I second that - send me something with "Re:" and it's an instant unsubscribe!

If you're dishonest at the very beginning of a business transaction why would I want to continue doing business with you?

Hopefully some of the clowns who write this nonsense are reading this thread.

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shane_k

11 years ago

what I find ironic?

A couple of months ago there was another thread like this, and I posted how I have a junk email account that I use for any purchases/freebies/optins etc

I call it my "probationary" email account, lol

Anyway, the list owner stays on probation until they have proven to me that they are providing value and not spamming and once they have done that I move them over to my main account.

What was funny was the backlash from a few warriors who didn't agree with me having a junk email account and felt that I wasn't being fair entering in my main email address.

So I am not fair when I take action to protect myself from people who's only interest is to spam my email account with multiple emails a day, people who have no interest in providing any value, or information, and who's only interest is to get at the money in my wallet.

yup that sounds legit, lol

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marketinguk

11 years ago

I have had similar problems recently and a few days back I had an email from someone I know on this forum but have no time for and have never bought a product from him. I happened to buy a product from a well known WSO seller and shortly afterwards got this promotional email from this other guy who like I say i've never bought a product from in the past.

Another thing some people forget is the amount of PM's I get and am sure others get from WSO sellers saying, "Hey Joel, you promoted one of my products before and made x sales how about promote my new product with EPC's at ... etc."

It makes me almost want to scream when I get those PM's including from some very well known 6/7 figure marketers I can't believe some times what level they'll go to just for a few bucks. Really sad!

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Bill Hugall 11 years ago

I love that no one on this thread engages is multiple emails a day. So far everyone here is a perfect marketer..... We have all engaged in something that someone finds offensive from time to time. I don't know about all of you, but there is a whole lot of learning going on in the IM niche! If I buy a product I expect this.T the heavy hitters in IM niche have split webforms so that everyone on the team get your email.

Disregard and move on. I have customers who absolutely hate free content. They complain when I send it. My take is that if you don't like it. Unsub and try to leave some helpful comments. Not douche bag comments. Ones that might help someone who is new and has no idea what they are doing.

I know a very successful affiliate who sends out 6 times a day and has an insane following. I was not a fan so I moved on. I am in no way mad at her. It is what it is. Seems like sometimes we become a bit better than around here. Not the OP but some of the people following seem to forget that when they started out they did some stupid things.

You all might do things to your list that offend me, but hey. That's your gig and I assume all of you have some very loyal subscribers who love what you do even though we might all hate it. That is what the unsub comment box is for. IMO
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Mady1234

11 years ago

Hi guys,

Quite new here but in the IM game for some time. Noticed this thread and just felt compelled to reply. I think I'm on around 10 lists at the moment...yet strangely enough I receive at least 50 of these mails every day. The ones that really piss me off are the ones that have Clickbank or whatever in their subject line and then like [78YHFSP] REFUND.... I somehow know it's not actually clickbank cuz I didnt buy anything anyway...but I just have to click ^^ Unsubscribed to 5 this week alone... One of the few mails I do enjoy are Lee Mcintyre's...

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mady1234

Hi guys,

Quite new here but in the IM game for some time. Noticed this thread and just felt compelled to reply. I think I'm on around 10 lists at the moment...yet strangely enough I receive at least 50 of these mails every day. The ones that really piss me off are the ones that have Clickbank or whatever in their subject line and then like [78YHFSP] REFUND.... I somehow know it's not actually clickbank cuz I didnt buy anything anyway...but I just have to click ^^ Unsubscribed to 5 this week alone... One of the few mails I do enjoy are Lee Mcintyre's...

My best advice to you here would be to unsubscribe asap from as many email lists as possible whilst keeping only the ones that are providing value to you and your business. This will save you plenty time deleting emails the whole time and getting overload from some marketers junk they keep peddling.

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Mady1234

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joel Ross

My best advice to you here would be to unsubscribe asap from as many email lists as possible whilst keeping only the ones that are providing value to you and your business. This will save you plenty time deleting emails the whole time and getting overload from some marketers junk they keep peddling.

Thx! Yup, my new years resolution will be to clean up my mail as well

By the way, some of these marketers don't even change the swipe mail...the same guy sends me three of the exact same mails a day....#boring ^^

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Mark Fallaize

11 years ago

Now you mention it, since the start of this year I've been getting 2-3 emails a day from the same marketers, often regarding the same product but with a different swipe. My subscriptions have now been removed with all but the most helpful marketers. New years resolutions perhaps? :p

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Joe Benjamin

11 years ago

It takes real effort, time and energy to create
a good email; each and every time.

The 'easy' way is pimping out your products &
affiliate offers like the end of days.

"They won't buy from me" so goes the thinking.
"May as well squeeze every penny out of 'em
I can".

It works. And it doesn't.

It works because you'll squeeze a handful of
sales if you're lucky.

It doesn't because that approach creates
animosity and scorn while increasingly lowering
open and Click-thru-rates into the single digits.

I'm of the opinion, "If you don't like what you
see on the lists -- go kick rocks -- you don't HAVE
to be on those lists. So why complain about it?"

Sooner or later those list marketers will get it. Or
they'll go out of business.

Doesn't get much simpler than that.

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scottparat 11 years ago

Hi Kay ....same happened to me.

I dropped a ton of emails and I don't spend nearly as much time in my inbox.

Truth is, if you purchase a product the owner thinks they are now in affiliate marketing and they start sending out emails for every new wso and clickbank product that pops up!

In the past I've stayed subscribed because I didn't want to miss any updates or notices for a product I might have purchased and I really didn't mind an email or two a week for some of the newest, latest and greatest products.

After about 10 years or so of this stuff I've found the updates or upgrades usually never happen and if they do you have to pay for them.....

One of the most aggravating situations is getting an email telling you how great product XYZ is and how I need to get it now before the price goes up. Based on that persons endorsement I check it out, read the sales copy, read the first couple of endorsements and then purchase the product.

Only to find out the product is crap. It happened to me twice this week. I was really pissed because I didn't think I would get an endorsement for a crap product..... but I guess it doesn't matter as long as that person makes their 5 buck commission.

For the first time I asked for a refund. I asked for refunds for 2 products and to the best of my knowledge I have never asked for a refund.

Oh well.... guess its time to be a little more vigilant and unsubscribe as soon as I make a purchase.

Back in the days of Jimmy D Brown we were taught to build a list, deliver something of value and develop a trusting relationship with your list. You need to get to the point where you ask permission to promote various other products in a skillful way.

The other approach is the Frank Kern method. In his words, "Build a huge list and mail the shit out of it". He obviously doesn't care if they unsubscribe....Frank just keeps building the list and blasting.

They both make a lot of money.....surely much more than me.

I guess you just have to decide what type of person or marketer you want to be.

Take care,

Scott
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Mark Hess

11 years ago

No doubt I'm sure lists are being shared, there's also been an uptick in people that partner up to run WSO's so if you purchase, now, you're on two lists.

But I'm sure there's plenty of people on this thread that would LOVE the people that 'spam' everyday if they were mailing for their product...

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Mady1234

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Hess

No doubt I'm sure lists are being shared, there's also been an uptick in people that partner up to run WSO's so if you purchase, now, you're on two lists.

But I'm sure there's plenty of people on this thread that would LOVE the people that 'spam' everyday if they were mailing for their product...

Yeah, you might be right, but personally I don't think too highly of an offer when I received 30 spam messages about it....

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eniggma

11 years ago

Hey the more idiots out there doin this the better those trying to offer value look. Spam on geniuses.

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eniggma

11 years ago

Seriously though it is pathetic and it needs to stop.

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FH

11 years ago

I've actually emailed considerate well laid out and proven alternatives to 3 of these blitzers who I thought well of. All three came back saying that all their tests had (independently) shown the 1 or 2 a day model was more profitable. I didn't continue any of these conversations, but I'll bet that they would be putting a lot of those so called "profits" into keeping their funnel full 'cause their unfollow rates must be awesome.

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MyNewMama

11 years ago

Building and maintaining relationships is the key to long-term success.
You have to show your customers that you really do care about them.

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Ephrils

11 years ago

I unsubscribed from tons of lists on an old email address that was getting hammered with these emails daily. I really have no idea how I got on so many lists when I'm sure I didn't sign up for them.

I eventually deleted the email address with all their spam being a big factor. I wonder how their Bounce Rate is from people like me just deleting the email to stop the pain.

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bkkmma

11 years ago

I'll just say I've been unsubscribing from A LOT of mailing lists in 2013 so far.

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JayPeete

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

If you don't maintain and cultivate your mailing list - there's no profit in it.

I here you Kay. If you are going to email your list that much, please make sure that you are giving them some value. Remember, the money is not in the list, it's in your relationship with the list.

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Pete Lauder

11 years ago

I, like many others like to keep an eye on the trends, so am subscribed to a few lists.

Yes, they get passed around, only the subscriber boxes that have the disclaimer should be the trusted ones.

My biggest bug bear is about the update lists.

Now, I don't mind folks emailing offers on an update list, it is even expected, to some degree.

But PLEASE do send me the updates, when they happen!

I requested a refund today, which I rarely do, and it was for this very reason.

Rant over.

Pete

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cbader

11 years ago

I'm sure like many of you I just end up opting out of a lot of lists. Everyone is promoting the same stuff. I can almost envision a future of more of only certain people being allowed as affiliates. Who knows.

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