Beat Up by a 16 Year Old Girl...

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I wish you well, as ever. Your post above was a pleasure. You obviously write very nicely: I see a potential future for you in article marketing.

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J Bold 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I wish you well, as ever. Your post above was a pleasure. You obviously write very nicely: I see a potential future for you in article marketing.

Not if he actually wants to make some money this time.
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Josh Monroe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by art72

The assailant, my 16 year old daughter!

Perhaps mind-rocked is a more befitting term than beat up, but either way, I spent the better half of my early afternoon trying to defend my reasons for getting back into internet marketing.

Now don't get me wrong, my daughter; Jessie is not one to toy with. Weighing in at a whopping 97 lbs, she packs a punch with her wit, and I normally avoid being on the receiving end of any argument with her.

She's Daddy's girl, so today's debate kinda hurt me a little bit.

The argument:

Jessie; "Why are you getting back into internet marketing again when you know we need to be making money right now?"

Damn, I wanted to say; "To make money..." - but instead I answered; "Because this time I intend to stay focused, work part-time, and start utilizing all that I learned last time."

Jessie; "...and do you remember what happened last time you were all jacked up on the computer?" - "Well, it so happens, I remember it like it was yesterday, you had all these big plans and ideas, you were like a hermit...never leaving your computer!" "So, how much did you make last time? - Remind me, ...please!"

Ouch!!!

I sat there awestruck for a moment, counted to 10 trying to process the flaming darts being launched at my head, and said; "Listen, it's true I spent $3,500 and only made $2,000 back, that's neither here nor there. Much of that time (*about a year) was spent studying & learning the technical aspects of online marketing. Stuff that takes normal people 4+ years of college to acquire, and they pay 10's of thousands of dollars for that knowledge!!!"

She shook her head, and said; "You're unbelievable, there's no talking to you!"

Naturally, after 30 more minutes back and forth... I pulled out the Dad card in an attempt to end her charade; "I am an adult, I will not have you second guessing my work ethic" - "You eat everyday, you have a roof over your head, and this is not you're call!" - "End of discussion!"

She walks away pissed off and mutters; "Maybe I'd be more supportive if you were actually making money!"

KA...POW!!!

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So there I am steaming mad...

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Now it occurs to me, I cannot fail this time! - I don't see my last attempt as a failure at all. The marketing practices, technical aspects, and everything I learned was/is both powerful and employable. Plus, I learned a lot in a short time.

This time I have a solid plan. I have nearly everything I need to jump start my sites, and more importantly, the $1,000 I intend to invest will yield a much better return than any $15 per hour job! -

I know after completely letting go of IM for a year, I explored (3) opportunities. (i.e. Mobile Auto Detailing, Commercial Fishing, and a short stint working for a contractor @ $15 per hr.) - None held much promise without a major investment, and of course, hard work.

I am left to wonder; "Is money the only thing my daughter really cares about?" - "If so, I'm looking forward to teaching her a valuable lesson about business, and life."

We're good now, as the ashes have all settled, and the smoke has all cleared... and yet in my mind I keep thinking; "Maybe I'd be more supportive if you were actually making money!"

Now, I am not sure which is my greatest motivator; My Passion? My Pride? My Daughter? Money???

PS - I stopped my online efforts for a year - cause I got tired of listening to ignorant people misrepresent what I was doing... NOT THIS TIME!!!

It gets better, trust me

Everyone always doubts you when you say your gonna do the whole "IM Thing", until the money starts coming in.

So until then, if your anything like me you'll get a lot of "why are you wasting your time on the computer again?".

Work through it, then hopefully you'll have something to show for it at the end. Then all you will have to deal with is people telling you to "get a real job".

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Sue McDonald

11 years ago

Yes making money online is not as easy as some people would like you to believe. It takes dedication and massive action. Yes we all need knowledge but it is the work we must do to get that success. Do not let other people (including your daughter) put doubts in your head. Being successful requires that you maintain a positive outlook and if you have a written plan and stick to it you should reap the benefits.

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Dan Curtis

11 years ago

I think you might be missing her real concern.

Is there food on the table and a roof over her head? If so, it would be unusual for her to be overly concerned about money, unless money has become a source of stress for the family for some other reason.

Originally Posted by art72

you were like a hermit...never leaving your computer!"

Are your marketing efforts taking time that should be spent with your family? It can be hard at times to balance things, but make sure that your daughter is getting the time with you that she deserves.

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art72 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Curtis

I think you might be missing her real concern.

Perhaps. Despite being a (fairly) young father of (3) teenagers, there are times that's been known to happen. It's a 50/50 thing, part my stuborness, and the other chalk up as teenage angst.

Originally Posted by Dan Curtis

Is there food on the table and a roof over her head?

Absolutely. No worries there.

Originally Posted by Dan Curtis

If so, it would be unusual for her to be overly concerned about money, unless money has become a source of stress for the family for some other reason.

Definitely. A few years back I was a successful swimming pool & spa sub-contractor earning 6 figures a year. Since the housing market fizzled out, so did my business after 15 years.

Been looking for a suitable replacement of my time ever since, which I firmly believe IM can be my redemption.

Originally Posted by Dan Curtis

Are your marketing efforts taking time that should be spent with your family?

Not this time. Last go, I was working a job 40+ hours per week, and then working/studying on the computer another 40-50 hours thereafter. So this was as issue in the past, and may be a red flag to them.

Originally Posted by Dan Curtis

It can be hard at times to balance things, but make sure that your daughter is getting the time with you that she deserves.

Of course. We as a family do a lot together. We fish, hunt, surf, go camping, and when time & money permits we have a lot of good times. Time is money from a business mindset, so when money is tight, I employ the ole work now, play later mentality.

Thanks Dan, made me see things from a new perspective.

-Art
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jimvol

11 years ago

My wife says similar things.

She knows that I am into it and really want to be successful. However, I am focused about making money online. I know I can do it. I have my niche, now its time to WORK IT.

Oh, stop researching and get those affiliate links out there!

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kaymehelp

11 years ago

Start Making money with article marketing, you are good at it

and dont worry you'll be making money

to your sucess

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Oliver Williams

11 years ago

If you are able to work online in a non stressful environment with out the pressure to create "financial" results on a deadline then go for it.

If you need cash now to pay bills then put it on the back burner for now or get good at providing a high demand service and start selling that service immediately.

That's what I would do if i were you. I find if there is stress to perform then IM is not a good choice. Just my opinion.

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Drew Trainor

11 years ago

This might seem counterintuitive but at this point I think that you need to just stop focusing on the money... for some reason when you do this, it just starts rolling in. I'd just focus on creating a system with certain habits that you follow everyday... eventually you'll start to see results slowly but surely and won't stress in front of the computer for hours and hours worrying about how much money you'll make. Worked for me!!

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art72

11 years ago

A notable mention that a few members stressed... was the priority the money?

I'd be lying to everyone if I said it wasn't part of the priority, I have bills too. However, the truth is, my main priority & focus was to acquire both the knowledge and the proper tools to assemble my business model with a solid foundation before ever worrying about the money.

Mind you, I was a complete computer illiterate mess 2 years ago. I can generally fix anything offline... cars, houses, plumbing, electrical, etc. You name it, I could likely rebuild, reconstruct, or remodel it.

This business was different. It required the use of my left brain... and having the foresight to understand things like working in reverse. For example: Writing an email campaign, and assembling it in a manner that would build trust and make sales to subscribers I didn't have yet.

Or that of laying out a complete sales funnel/squeeze page, whereby, they opt-in, go to a OTO page or download page, retrieve their goods, and then receive a Thank-You! - That one took me a minute to learn, for sure.

Be it these small tasks had me up for many a sleepless nights. The technical was always my trap. I felt it was important to break down every business model, so I could see it's true potential.

In the end, after much reading and some practice... I was cranking out some basic code, building links, performing on-page SEO, doing keyword research, building my WP sites, and all-the-while studying several successful marketers strategies in between.

I am confident that the money's there. I just hadn't prioritized it at the that time. My priority was and always will be a continuum of building KNOWLEDGE.

Now, I finally feel comfortable in my planning, and getting ready to pour the slab... only to have those I'm building this for (my family) question my skills. [Shakes head in disbelief]

When I posted this thread, it was more over to lighten my mood and see what became of it.

Ironically, I think doing so struck a nerve, and revealed my real reason for doing IM is NOT necessarily for the money, it's the silent passion I have to succeed, and defy the norm!

If it was easy... I wouldn't be here

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tomerep

11 years ago

dont get frustrated, take it as a challenge instead. prove to your daughter that she can have whatever she wants once you've settled down.

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bumgardner1

11 years ago

I think you should ask her to team up with you. It would be good for both of you and she would have some skin in the game to make sure you're on track. Plus, if she's as bright as you say, which I have no doubt she is, she could learn to take care of herself in the future. My 13 year old daughter is learning this stuff from me now. She wants a nice car when she turns 16. Good luck!

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art72

11 years ago

If I could get my 14 & 16 year olds to put the time into IM that they do on Facebook... we'd all be rich! LOL

Honestly though, my 16 year old actually went out commercial fishing with me on the weekends. She runs the boat, cracks an 8' cast net like a pro, and loves catching fish. She thinks getting paid to fish is the greatest thing since sliced bread- We are still doing the fishing gig part time, but the weather conditions aren't the best for making real good money right now.

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ContentIn48Hours

11 years ago

The whole world thinks it's a bad idea until it finally works. I think most of us have been through something similar along the way. Kepp working hard and it will pay off.

Steve

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vjboc

11 years ago

Art72, I think article writing would be a big plus for you. It's amazing how our kids can say the darndest things. Sometimes putting things in perspective. IM can take up alot of time. Keep at it and think it will pay off for you. Good luck to you on your IM venture.

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jordanwarrior 11 years ago

I'll give you one piece of advice right now, and I'm not saying this to bust your bubble. IM is 20 times harder, no exaggeration, than it was a couple of years ago. I would recommend that you do not depend on it to make a living until you see your bank account actually increase. Planning everything is great, but even that isn't going to guarantee success.

The amount of work needed is absolutely insane, and these days a couple of people are usually needed to actually make an online business fly. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but for most it's a long, tough slog. I admire your resolve, but at the end of the day, reality ends up doing the talking. Anyway, good luck and I hope you succeed beyond any expectations.
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JasonBennet

11 years ago

Just keep on going forward by growing your online business on a part time basis. As your daughter has issue you the challenge of making money online, you can take up the challenge by taking the right action and finally show her that you are making real money from the internet. Keep going forward

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Nail Yener

11 years ago

Art,

I don't have kids but I had been getting the same comments from a lot of people in my family and in my close friend circle for more than 3 years until I made some serious money in a very short time (that they would never imagine), which was the result of my dedication and hard-work accumulated during the previous 3 years. Even that success was not enough to totally stop their comments about what I do on the Internet. So, I learned how not to hear them in time.

In that 3 years of time, I didn't do much other than "learning". And I gave a reason to them for not believing in me and not supporting me. I always had belief in myself and the only thing that really mattered to me was how much fun I was getting from what I do and I never expected respect or support from anyone but for those people who keep making the same comments, even for a daughter, it is the money the only thing that matters. Even if you create conceptually a better thing than Google and you feel you are the happiest man in the world, those people will not respect or support you until you show them the "cash". Showing them your PayPal account will not be enough, you have to show them the cash... if you want understanding and support from them. This is a sad fact but this thing works like this.

I don't think there is one single person who found respect and support the moment they entered into Internet Marketing world. If there is one such person, he/she should know that no matter how much he/she thanks to his/her supporters, it will not be enough.

Never lose your dedication, but also always keep improving your strategies. There is a thin line between failure and success and most people who fail in IM are those who can't keep working on it patiently until they pass that line.

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yesacpow 11 years ago

I believe that with your motivation and determination that you will make it this time.

But some things that you need to understand:

1. You must have a clear vision of exactly what you want to achieve - if you don't know what you want, you wont get it. Don't just say you want to be successful, define your own success and work towards getting it.

2. Make a plan of action. If you have to pay someone that is more successful than you to create such a plan that you can stick to and ensure your success, then do it. Otherwise you'll find yourself sitting around the pc and repeating the same mistakes that got you burnt out the last time.

3. Understand that you'll NEVER have the perfect conditions - this means, if you are creating a website to sell something, don't spend hours trying to fix minute stuff. Focus on what is important and get going. It doesn't have to be perfect, you just have to do it.

4. Surround yourself with like minded people. These are persons who you should be networking with to grow your business. The more contacts you make with persons who are already successful or who are at the same level as you, the faster you'll grow as an entrepreneur.

5. Understand that you will fail and sometimes miserably. But failure is not the end of the road but rather an experience of what not to do in the future. So when something doesn't work the way you want it to, get up brush off yourself and start on a new path until you find something that does.

6. Finally, CONSISTENCY is the key to success. At first thing may be going very slow, but if you remain consistent and work your action plan daily, you'll find that overtime your business starts to gain momentum and soar. And you know what, when you have momentum going your business grows EXPONENTIALLY in a very short period of time.

I wish you all the best and I hope you make your 16 year old daughter very proud before she reaches her 17th birthday
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Mark Hess

11 years ago

Originally Posted by art72

Now, I am not sure which is my greatest motivator; My Passion? My Pride? My Daughter? Money???

PS - I stopped my online efforts for a year - cause I got tired of listening to ignorant people misrepresent what I was doing... NOT THIS TIME!!!

I would go with passion because that will take care of the other 3 things.

If you're truly passionate about something, you won't listen to ignorant people, you'll feel confident in what you're doing, and make money.

Now that you have a lot of the technical stuff down from the time you spent online before, you jumped over that hurdle (one of the biggest ones for most people just starting out in my opinion). Now it's just a matter of applying that knowledge somewhere.

Don't dabble, don't stick a toe in, go all in...

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kelvintoro

11 years ago

Ouch! But I don't think Jessie only cares about money. I think she just doesn't want to see you giving all your time and effort into something that isn't profitable. Maybe she saw how frustrated you were when you lost money and she doesn't not want to see you in that situation again. She might not have said her words in the sweetest way possibles, but I can see her concern for you there.

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Dariuszden

11 years ago

Sounds like my wife, but she was much more subtitle about it. In the end I decided to stick with it and now we're both happy

You can't second guess yourself if you decide to do it.

Another funny thing was that my wife prohibited me from calling myself a internet marketer until I've made as much or more money per week than I did in my last job. But after I did that I stopped caring about labels...

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Remind that kid how lucky she is to:

1) Have a father that lives with her
2) One that loves her
3) A home to live in!

Then pull the age/rank card and tell her to scoot

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jgant

11 years ago

Tough situation. I have a wife and son who I love spending time with ... but we're a single income home, so I work hard as well. I quit a profession for IM; a profession that had I continued in, I'd be working far more hours than I currently do.

What ended up working well for me and still does is finding really good offers that sell and pay well in my chosen niches. This eluded me for a long time. However, after banging my head against the computer enough times, I did see that some offers sold, while most didn't. That's when I tweaked everything and focused on promoting excellent offers to the right people via blog and email. That's it. I don't promote tons of stuff ... I focus on what works in my niches. I get sidetracked with new affiliate offers now and then, but now I assess them carefully and reject most.

Once you find one offer that sells in your chosen niche, promote it endlessly from many perspectives.

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