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Coming Soon counter + email form for Clickbank approval?

by icemusike
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Hey guys, before i submit my squeez to clickbank and they deny me i would like to know if any of you had such products listed on clickbank only with their email aweber form on it. Dont get me wrong my site has a nice design with great email submit form. not that crappy standard ones.

Id prefer to get emails and presell them over the pich page all day long.

The ROI will be better, im having 90% mobile traffic.
I think affiliates will get their cut if they send traffic trough the aff link.
And there are more reasons why i chose this marketing strategy.

Also $5k Aff link contest will be posted.

I saw 2 examples of such sites here on Warriorforum but dont know whats the plan to get approved by clickbank with such marketing approach.
#approval #clickbank #coming #counter #email #form
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by icemusike View Post

    I think affiliates will get their cut if they send traffic trough the aff link.
    The reality is that very, very few (if any) serious, pro-affiliates (i.e. the ones who actually bring in any sales worth talking about) will be willing to send their traffic to a ClickBank sales page which has a vendor's opt-in on it, for all the shared reasons explained at such length and in such detail in this fine, upstanding thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oduct-opt.html
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    • Profile picture of the author MilesBaker
      Yeah, it can be approved, there's no problem with a an email capture form as far as ClickBank is concerned.

      The vendor should explain on their affiliate page that affiliates make more because your follow-up increases conversions over time. Additionally you could even include the affiliates' nickname in your follow-ups which could increase the potential for commission well beyond the 60-day ClickBank cookie.

      If you are concerned about affiliates not promoting you due to your email capture form, then you could offer both versions to affiliates. One sales page, one landing page.

      Anyway, there are ways to please and attract "pro" affiliates AND have an opt-in form on your page.
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      • Profile picture of the author icemusike
        Originally Posted by MilesBaker View Post

        Yeah, it can be approved, there's no problem with a an email capture form as far as ClickBank is concerned.

        The vendor should explain on their affiliate page that affiliates make more because your follow-up increases conversions over time. Additionally you could even include the affiliates' nickname in your follow-ups which could increase the potential for commission well beyond the 60-day ClickBank cookie.

        If you are concerned about affiliates not promoting you due to your email capture form, then you could offer both versions to affiliates. One sales page, one landing page.

        Anyway, there are ways to please and attract "pro" affiliates AND have an opt-in form on your page.
        Outstanding Answer, Thanks a lot man, i know you from a clickbank forum actualy. i think you know what you talk about here

        Il try to get the best out of traffic for me and affiliates using well targeted presell material and other stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author icemusike
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          As Alexa said above...



          It is really of little consequence whether Clickbank will approve your product, or not.

          The real test is whether the affiliate marketers who use Clickbank to find products to promote... will pick yours. (Clickbank doesn't actively market the products, their affiliates do.)

          You are probably thinking that if you give the visitor another option (your free incentive offer) in exchange for their email address, you'll get a second chance to market to them if they don't purchase the product on your sales page.

          First, that opt-in form with the "freebie" download offer, competes directly with the primary product on the sales page. Do you really want to compete with yourself?

          Visitors can come up with their own reasons for leaving your offer - why "titillate" them with a free offer?

          Secondly, how can an affiliate have confidence that they will get credit for any sales made from your back end offer? What benefit does the affiliate receive for building your list?

          If the visitor doesn't purchase after reading the affiliate's pre-sales message, and your sales page, you want them opt-in for your freebie, instead?

          Why not just put up some adsense ads on the page, while you're at it?


          Having an opt-in page on your site somewhere (not the sales page), is fine - but drive your own traffic to that page. Don't expect affiliates to waste their time driving traffic to a page that has any distraction for the visitor.

          Affiliates send visitors to sales pages. Their incentive to do so, is the potential commissions earned. They don't care about building your list (or your adsense earnings).

          So again... who cares whether Clickbank would approve such a page, if their affiliates aren't going to promote it, anyway?
          Im nt trying to give them something free. im looking for the long term earning s for me and my affiliates. All the traffic will be educated with max 2 emails before selling. i do have very good traffic and dont want to nmake a waste form it sending them to pich page.
          Originally Posted by MilesBaker View Post

          Not necessarily, you win either way. Does Wal-Mart compete with itself when it sell two kinds of the same spaghetti sauce? No way, they win with both options. Some people will choose to buy immediately, some people will enter their email for more info. or a free portion of the product.

          However the only way to truly know for YOUR offer and how you're presenting it is to split-test and see if it's affecting your conversion rate or not.



          Vendors can tell their affiliates, however there's no "guarantee" with anything. There are numerous ways vendors can be deceptive with or without an opt-in form. If the vendor is smart they'll want affiliates to earn more commissions so that they in turn earn more.



          Again, if the email opt-in is inline with helping affiliates as well as yourself and you make that clear to affiliates there's no problem.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by icemusike View Post

            Im nt trying to give them something free. im looking for the long term earning s for me and my affiliates. All the traffic will be educated with max 2 emails before selling. i do have very good traffic and dont want to nmake a waste form it sending them to pich page.
            I completely understand.

            However, that doesn't change the fact that very, very few (if any) serious, pro-affiliates (i.e. the ones who actually bring in any sales worth talking about) will be willing to send their traffic to a ClickBank sales page which has a vendor's opt-in on it, for all the shared reasons explained at such length and in such detail in this fine, upstanding thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oduct-opt.html

            Nor does it change the reality that ClickBank (who are going to be retailing your product and responsible for it to their customers: they're not just a payment processor, after all!) will clearly not approve a "sales page" comprising no more than a "squeeze page" (and neither would you, if you owned ClickBank!).
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      • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
        Originally Posted by MilesBaker View Post

        Yeah, it can be approved, there's no problem with a an email capture form as far as ClickBank is concerned.

        The vendor should explain on their affiliate page that affiliates make more because your follow-up increases conversions over time. Additionally you could even include the affiliates' nickname in your follow-ups which could increase the potential for commission well beyond the 60-day ClickBank cookie.

        If you are concerned about affiliates not promoting you due to your email capture form, then you could offer both versions to affiliates. One sales page, one landing page.

        Anyway, there are ways to please and attract "pro" affiliates AND have an opt-in form on your page.
        Thinking these are your best options.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by thedanbrown View Post

          Thinking these are your best options.
          As others have already pointed out, Dan, they're just incorrect and mistaken options.

          They're not anybody's "best options".

          Advising a potential vendor that they're his "best options" is hardly likely to be helpful.

          As explained in such detail and at such length by so many professional affiliates in this thread, the way that a vendor can have an opt-in and "please affiliates" is by also having available another version of the sales page without the opt-in. Vendors who want to be able to attract any serious, professional affiliates have - of course - learned this, and that's exactly what they do.

          The point isn't about "whether" potential customers should be opted in (that's a no-brainer): it's about "by whom".
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      As Alexa said above...

      very few (if any) serious, pro-affiliates (i.e. the ones who actually bring in sales worth talking about) will be willing to send their traffic to a ClickBank sales page which has a vendor's opt-in on it
      It is really of little consequence whether Clickbank will approve your product, or not.

      The real test is whether the affiliate marketers who use Clickbank to find products to promote... will pick yours. (Clickbank doesn't actively market the products, their affiliates do.)

      You are probably thinking that if you give the visitor another option (your free incentive offer) in exchange for their email address, you'll get a second chance to market to them if they don't purchase the product on your sales page.

      First, that opt-in form with the "freebie" download offer, competes directly with the primary product on the sales page. Do you really want to compete with yourself?

      Visitors can come up with their own reasons for leaving your offer - why "titillate" them with a free offer?

      Secondly, how can an affiliate have confidence that they will get credit for any sales made from your back end offer? What benefit does the affiliate receive for building your list?

      If the visitor doesn't purchase after reading the affiliate's pre-sales message, and your sales page, you want them opt-in for your freebie, instead?

      Why not just put up some adsense ads on the page, while you're at it?


      Having an opt-in page on your site somewhere (not the sales page), is fine - but drive your own traffic to that page. Don't expect affiliates to waste their time driving traffic to a page that has any distraction for the visitor.

      Affiliates send visitors to sales pages. Their incentive to do so, is the potential commissions earned. They don't care about building your list (or your adsense earnings).

      So again... who cares whether Clickbank would approve such a page, if their affiliates aren't going to promote it, anyway?
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      • Profile picture of the author MilesBaker
        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        First, that opt-in form with the "freebie" download offer, competes directly with the primary product on the sales page. Do you really want to compete with yourself?
        Not necessarily, you win either way. Does Wal-Mart compete with itself when it sell two kinds of the same spaghetti sauce? No way, they win with both options. Some people will choose to buy immediately, some people will enter their email for more info. or a free portion of the product.

        However the only way to truly know for YOUR offer and how you're presenting it is to split-test and see if it's affecting your conversion rate or not.

        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Secondly, how can an affiliate have confidence that they will get credit for any sales made from your back end offer? What benefit does the affiliate receive for building your list?
        Vendors can tell their affiliates, however there's no "guarantee" with anything. There are numerous ways vendors can be deceptive with or without an opt-in form. If the vendor is smart they'll want affiliates to earn more commissions so that they in turn earn more.

        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Having an opt-in page on your site somewhere (not the sales page), is fine - but drive your own traffic to that page. Don't expect affiliates to waste their time driving traffic to a page that has any distraction for the visitor.
        Again, if the email opt-in is inline with helping affiliates as well as yourself and you make that clear to affiliates there's no problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    If you are saying your pitch page is nothing more than an optin form then no, Clickbank will not approve that. They want to see a pitch page that accurately describes the product in detail. If you are just looking to sell via email then you will need to use a different platform.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    Icemusike, Have you actually read the vendor pages at clickbank?

    I ask because they have two very helpful pages entitled "Get started as a vendor" and "Vendor checklist" which would answer your question.

    Get Started as a Vendor

    Vendor Checklist

    Originally Posted by icemusike View Post

    Hey guys, before i submit my squeez to clickbank and they deny me i would like to know if any of you had such products listed on clickbank only with their email aweber form on it.

    .....

    I saw 2 examples of such sites here on Warriorforum
    Please give us links to these sites!
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    I don't think they will approve you. It's nothing to do with whether pro or any other type of affiliates would like your page.

    The reason is that click bank don't know what your product is or how you will describe it.

    In your click bank account, you can specify a pitch page for each product (my products tab)' which does not have to be the same as your hop link target URL (the URL that affiliates send traffic to - on the my site tab). If you build a real pitch page, compliant with clickbank's requirements, and specify it as your pitch page, click bank might be okay with the hop link target URL being your squeeze page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kixstart
    Hi,

    I am icemusike's partner. We've just been talking with Clickbank Customer Support via phone and it seems that they will approve our product with the Squezee Page.
    However, we need a sales page either.

    The process is:

    Affiliates send traffic to our squezee page with their hoplink, we then send the email to the subscribers with a link to the sales letter and each affiliate gets their commission.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by portugalkix View Post

      Hi,

      I am icemusike's partner. We've just been talking with Clickbank Customer Support via phone and it seems that they will approve our product with the Squezee Page.
      However, we need a sales page either.

      The process is:

      Affiliates send traffic to our squezee page with their hoplink, we then send the email to the subscribers with a link to the sales letter and each affiliate gets their commission.
      Yes, that is what we were saying above.

      You can definitely use a squeeze page, that's up to you. But Clickbank will always want to see some sort of pitch page (sales page). It's a requirement of all vendors.
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