Launching Product - How To Get Affiliates?

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Can anyone give me some tips on getting affiliates involved in my product?

It's not an IM based product, so I can't do a WSO!

You can have a look: www.roulettegod.com | Roulette Strategy From A Professional Player .

I basically helped a friend develop a membership site for his product, as he is going into semi-retirement and wanted to put his knowledge out there for others. It also gives him something to do, I suppose, as he only plays roulette part time now.

I am the more tech savvy one, but I am not a marketing expert by any means!

Thanks guys and gals.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    Originally Posted by proguy7 View Post

    Can anyone give me some tips on getting affiliates involved in my product?

    It's not an IM based product, so I can't do a WSO!

    You can have a look: www.roulettegod.com | Roulette Strategy From A Professional Player .

    I basically helped a friend develop a membership site for his product, as he is going into semi-retirement and wanted to put his knowledge out there for others. It also gives him something to do, I suppose, as he only plays roulette part time now.

    I am the more tech savvy one, but I am not a marketing expert by any means!

    Thanks guys and gals.
    You can put your product on clickbank, that will get a lot of affiliates signing up.

    Also contact people who sell similar sorts of products, and ask them.

    If you and your mate are completely unknown, then you might want to promote some of the similar products first, then when the owner sees that you're making sales, they're more likely to help you out too.
  • Profile picture of the author proguy7
    Thanks for the reply.

    What do you mean by "promote some of the similar products first"? You mean products not created by us?

    I had always thought Clickbank was a bit of a meat market...the other problem is a 60 day money back guarantee. Can't get around that one, right?

    Thanks.
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hooper-Kelly
    Hi proguy7,

    If you want to get an army of affiliates to sell your product, then you will need to put in some grunt work, because anyone with a decent mailing list will be inundated with requests to sell other folk's stuff.

    For that reason, I suggest considering using JVZoo, rather than ClickBank. JVZoo sell a ton of other products, other than IM, and they have two big advantages for you over ClickBank:
    • You get contact with your affiliates, so you can help them out and encourage them. There's no direct contact with ClickBank.
    • You aren't limited to the 75% commission, as you are with ClickBank.
    But you will need to be very active recruiting your own affiliates. And you'll find that only about 5% will actually produce a meaningful amount of sales.

    Martin's idea about promoting other folk's products to build up a relationship with them to get them to sell your product to their list is a good one. But, in your case, it would mean you have to start from scratch and start to attract prospects and turn them into buyers.

    So, on balance, it might be more productive for you to promote your own product from the start.

    Then, when you have built up a list of buyers of your product, you can put the cherry on the cake by become an affiliate for anyone else who has a good product in your niche. Then you won't need to build much of a relationship with the other product owners - because they'll be delighted to have you do that.

    Warmest regards,

    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author proguy7
    Thanks for your post, Paul.

    I will have a look at JVZoo...let's hope it doesn't have a stupid refund guarantee like Click Bank!
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hooper-Kelly
    Hi proguy7,

    Glad you like my advice. So sorry to inject a sour note ...

    Thanks for your post, Paul.

    I will have a look at JVZoo...let's hope it doesn't have a stupid refund guarantee like Click Bank!
    The sixty day guarantee is pretty much universal, because it is a legal requirement (Distance selling regulations etc). So it's not JVZoo, so much as PayPal (JVZoo's payment processor) that sets that.

    But don't worry about it. Make a virtue of it.

    And when you are promoting your product state loud and clear that you are so confident they will LOVE this that you are backing it with a sixty day 'Love it - or your money back' guarantee.

    Sure, you'll get a few crooks, but these will be outweighted by the extra sales you'll make, because you offer such a strong guarantee.

    Warmest regards,

    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author wakey7
    Would you recommend JVZoo over RAP Bank?
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hooper-Kelly
    Would you recommend JVZoo over RAP Bank?
    Both of these are good and both allow a higher percentage of affiliate commission to be paid to your affiliates than ClickBank, which is an important part of attracting good affiliates with quality lists.

    Warmest regards,

    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author TanyaRebrov
    Well I think it will be better for you to sell your product with clickbank. As we know that competition is really tight in clickbank right now, I think more IM expert marketer is using clickback for their affiliate marketing platform.
    And you don't need to worry about the 60 days money back guarantee, as long as you confidence with your product then you will be okay. This system is exist to prevent spam product and thus you will okay, right mate?
  • Profile picture of the author proguy7
    Paul, distance selling regulations?

    I thought Paypal's guarantees only kicked-on for physical products, not virtual.
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hooper-Kelly
    Hi poguy7,

    Unfortunately not. Although, if a buyer requests a refund from ClickBank, it's automatically given after two business days, whereas with PayPal they hold an 'inquest' first.

    But don't get hung up on worrying about refunds. If you have a good product, most folks are honest and won't request a refund. If you're that concerned, then consider making the product a password protected membership site (even for a one off payment).

    As you say:
    It also gives him something to do, I suppose, as he only plays roulette part time now.
    So your friend might want to add extra tips and tricks over time, which will encourage folks to hand in there and not refund. And - if they request a refund - you simply delete them from the membership database.

    Warmest regards,

    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author malcsimm
    Originally Posted by wakey7 View Post

    Would you recommend JVZoo over RAP Bank?
    A lot of affiliates don't like RapBank because of the way they pay commissions - "one for me, one for you" type of thing. No real logic to that dislike but that's the fact.

    As for getting JVs, that is the hard part of launching a product. (Well, one of the hard parts LOL.) Do you spend out and get a JV broker? Someone who introduces you to relevant JVs (supposedly) and gets them to mail for you? Obviously, them take a skim - 10-20% - plus a payment up front. So it's important to have a backend that makes money.

    It's not all bad avoiding a WSO as you will be able to charge a higher price other things being equal as WSO-buyers are trained to expect low prices.

    Getting JVs, and getting to know relevant brokers, is all about networking. Get out there and talk to everybody and anybody and ask their views and get recommendations. Go to IM forums to find the marketers and ask how they would do it. And sign up for all the similar products and see how they are marketing and, if you can, who is helping them.

    Contact the owners of such products and see if they are chatty.

    And think laterally about other niches that will probably take to your product - eg think about the demographics of your target audience and look for other audiences with similar demographics. Eg check Quantcast and Alexa for a competitors site.

    Finally, although I am talking here about doing a product launch, there is also the other approach of havingt an evergreen site. It's quicker, easier, and cheaper to set that up first anyway. Get your funnel right (with your backend in place) and test conversions. Then you can buy traffic once you know your profit per click.

    Eg from adswaps, if you have a small list already (500+) or solo ads if not. Test and measure, test and measure. It makes sense to do this anyway and tweak your conversions before doing any product launch.

    Oh - one more thing. Some JV brokers will not get you a good result. And some people giving you advice about launching are talking through their ar*e. Just stating the obvious: but be cautious and double check everything. With JV brokers - treble or quadruple check before paying them lots of money.

    Good luck!

    Malc :-)
  • Profile picture of the author proguy7
    Paul, I agree with your advice about the 60 day money back guarantee.

    I just know that some people will take the piss, and try and get as much as possible for free!

    That's a business cost in a way.
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Hi poguy7,

    Unfortunately not. Although if a buyer requests a refund from ClickBank, it's automatically given after two business days, whereas with PayPal they hold an 'inquest' first.

    But don't get hung up on worrying about refunds. If you have a good product, most folks are honest and won't request a refund. If you're that concerned, then consider making the product a password protected membership site (even for a one off payment).
    Arrmmm, almost! Usually when someone asks for a refund, you click on the Refund button, near the persons, details in Paypal, and its done!

    But, if they reverse the Credit Card payment, (as l went through recently) then Paypal will lock up or freeze your account until it is fixed.

    And if you think that it is an error, the ID number wont work, for the more details link, so PP doesn't refund immediately.

    Best to refund immediately, otherwise you will stuff around for so long, you will lose sales!

    Or sales will still go through, but the customer won't get their link or product!


    So, PP is good for refunds, a bit of a pain for chargbacks, unless you know what link to click, the "customer didn't receive the product, and l am issuing a refund" is the one to click, to resolve it quickly!

    Shane
  • Profile picture of the author proguy7
    Thank you all for your input.

    I will see how it goes with JVZOO.

    Does anyone know of a reliable website for solo ads? That could be another thing to try.

    Cheers.
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    You can certainly do a WSO on this. It's still a money making method!

    Just please tell me it's on beating real casino roulette wheels and not online. Because you can't beat online roulette tables. But I know that in many casinos there are dealers who have signature moves or through careful watching you can determine where the ball can land.

    I did it where I use to live in Luton I was told I couldn't play at the roulette table after turning my £5 into £200. However, I did tell him how I was doing so well! lol.

    Tip: Don't assume the dealer is on your side after a few friendly chats
  • Profile picture of the author proguy7
    That must have been because they expected you to hit them big. Silly move, my friend, but interesting nonetheless.

    Yes, indeed, it's for a real roulette wheel...each wheel has its own characteristics, as does the environment.

    It's not as simple as you mentioned, but you are on the right track.

    One thing: isn't a WSO dirt cheap? I wouldn't want the product to be devalued, if you know what I mean.

    Cheers.
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    Originally Posted by proguy7 View Post

    That must have been because they expected you to hit them big. Silly move, my friend, but interesting nonetheless.

    Yes, indeed, it's for a real roulette wheel...each wheel has its own characteristics, as does the environment.

    It's not as simple as you mentioned, but you are on the right track.

    One thing: isn't a WSO dirt cheap? I wouldn't want the product to be devalued, if you know what I mean.

    Cheers.
    I wasn't doing it to hit them big or anything, though perhaps they did expect it. I was out for a birthday with my now ex gf, and as the dealer was friendly I let him in on the fact that he was continuously using the same technique (I assumed he would just change the way he was doing it, not stop me altogether LOL). I was playing Dozens, and I got a rhythm for knowing where it would land depending on his release and spin.

    I've read that there is a more sophisticated method for getting more precise selections, but the extent of my knowledge was reading that many dealers had signature moves and used certain force, and that you could work out roughly where it could land on most occasions by keeping a close eye.

    And I know those who specialize in it do well offline, but I've tried online roulette, using every system under the sun, even my own methods, and eventually EVERY online site hits a bad run of 10-11-12-13-14 or more of the same type in a row, and it ruins you.

    So I was just making sure it wasn't for online roulette, because from experience I know it can't be beat
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    Forgot to add, a WSO is just a discounted figure for us warriors. It doesn't have to be a huge discount, just a discount that is otherwise not available on your site.

    Put it this way, a lot of the traffic here you may never get on your website. BY selling on your site, and on here, you're taking advantage of the traffic and making money you might otherwise not have made.

    See it this way:

    "I don't want to sell here cheaper because it's worth more, so I'd rather make less and sell it for more by selling it to people who visit my site".

    Whereas I would say:

    "I'll take advantage of the instant traffic here and sell it slightly cheaper, gathering testimonials and building my list and affiliates, AND I'll make even more money from my main site selling it for more to visitors".

    You see how this could help you?
  • Profile picture of the author proguy7
    That's an interesting story, which casino chain was it?

    Well, my friend bets on only straight up bets...that's where the real money is to be made.

    Thanks for your advice - I will have to see how to do a WSO, then! More work...hah!
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Perez O'Connor
    It was this one:

    https://plus.google.com/103298270003...gl=GB&hl=en-GB

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