What am I doing wrong

by Masterofdisaster 58 replies
Guys,

I'm at the point of just giving up. I really am working hard and i'm posting articles, but I'm not making any money despite getting some clicks. I also place all the articles on article sites, I had someone place backlinks and I made a Facebook page...what am I doing wrong??


HealthDayTime - Your Health Center

it's been about 2 months that I've had this site going...i really don't know what to do anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author kursat
    I think your site needs to have better fonts and colours and you need to bring up a free offer to build a list. Then you can market your clients product that will help them in their life. Don't give up...I made no money for almost 2 years but then had breakthroughs that made me change the way I work. You will get there...
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    • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
      Originally Posted by kursat View Post

      I think your site needs to have better fonts and colours and you need to bring up a free offer to build a list. Then you can market your clients product that will help them in their life. Don't give up...I made no money for almost 2 years but then had breakthroughs that made me change the way I work. You will get there...
      thanks kursat...i know i need to give something free and thats exactly what I did, if you see the blinking button on the top left it's a free diet ebook that people get if they sign up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    What am I doing wrong
    I'm at the point of just giving up.
    You answered your own question
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
    I think i'm not getting quality traffic...what would be the best way to get that coming my way?
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

      I think i'm not getting quality traffic...what would be the best way to get that coming my way?
      Specialize.

      Your site is trying to cover too many subjects. That kind of all-encompassing approach only works with tons of traffic. You should "niche down" into one area and concentrate on that. Then, when you're getting enough traction, put up a related site and let the established one help to build its rep. Then move on to another. In time, you'll have a group of health-related sites all helping to promote each other.

      It's also easier to market a specialty site. You'll tend to have more credibility when you tout for guest posting spots on other health blogs. Your product recommendations will also carry more weight.

      And you won't build a list very fast by just having a "free eBook" button on the corner of the page. You've got to really sell it to your visitors. Grabbing their email addresses is the most important task your home page needs to perform. Make your sign-up offer prominent and compelling.

      So don't give up- just re-focus your efforts. You've done a fair bit of work so far and it would be a shame to let it all go to waste.


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  • Profile picture of the author Opeleroy
    Your Facebook doesn't invite any interaction. Instead of just posting your blog articles, post quotes, quick tips and encourage your fans to like and share.

    Seems overly obvious, but the simple act of asking people to like and share your posts will dramatically improve your reach.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    Don't give up. Focus on driving more traffic to your site and building a list. Whatever you do, just don't give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author sabatek
    Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

    Guys,

    I'm at the point of just giving up. I really am working hard and i'm posting articles, but I'm not making any money despite getting some clicks. I also place all the articles on article sites, I had someone place backlinks and I made a Facebook page...what am I doing wrong??


    HealthDayTime - Your Health Center

    it's been about 2 months that I've had this site going...i really don't know what to do anymore
    It's okay it feel like giving up but don't quit. Everyone goes through that. Now your site is very inconsistent. From the domain name, to the site name and the "get the free eBook" tucked in the corner.

    I don't know how many times I had to force myself to start from scratch.

    My advice is find a site that you admire and duplicate it. Have an image or your eBook in plain site with an op-tin box.

    It is said, people will spend 3 seconds on a site then leave and never return.

    What are you going to do(change) to make sure your message comes across in those 3 seconds?
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  • Profile picture of the author 2point2
    I think 2 months is not enough time to give it a fair shot. You barely got your feet wet. You have good information on your site that I think plenty of people will appreciate. Dive into learning how to get targeted traffic and building a list. Do searches in this forum on those two subjects and you'll be on the path to success provided you don't give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
    appreciate everyones kind words...not only did it give me a burst of energy...but there's also quiet a few recommendations that i'll be applying here
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

    I also place all the articles on article sites
    I think you may not quite appreciate how article marketing works? This thread may help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

    Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

    I had someone place backlinks
    Buying backlinks is likely to be part of "what you've done wrong", I'm afraid: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...d-tactics.html

    Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

    it's been about 2 months that I've had this site going...i really don't know what to do anymore
    It's quite difficult to comment without knowing what your intended traffic sources are, but the thing that immediately strikes me about the site is the lack of a prominently incentivized opt-in at the top of the home page. I see the "get your free ebook" button, but that isn't going to cut it at all.

    Here are the main reasons why that won't work ...

    (i) The opt-in isn't on the home page

    (ii) It isn't incentivized at all: nowhere is there a list of its benefits to make it look/sound attractive

    (iii) It doesn't appear to be subject-matched at all with the site (the site's called "Healthy Days" and the main items shown on the home page are about swimming, fruit and knowing your real age, but the e-book is apparently about weight-loss?!) so there's no apparent targeting (these are difficult and competitive enough niches/markets even with highly accurate targeting: it won't be easy to sell anything without that)

    (iv) There's no anti-spam reassurance, and no explanation of what your subsequent email series will be about or why people might want it and how else they'll benefit from giving your their email address

    I think these two threads will help you, and that you should have a read through and think about them before assuming that "fixing your site" is suddenly going to produce income ...

    This thread covers "the essentials of list-building" (and that IS what your income will be dependent on), and ...

    this post includes a little explanation of the main purposes that your "free report" should serve for your business.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    I'll give you my feedback. Here they are:

    Positives:

    1. Your site has great design that matches your niche.
    2. Your content are well written and I can see that you put effort into writing those content.
    3. You're building a list.

    Now on to the negatives...

    1. You don't have the picture of the eBook on your squeeze page! Create a cover and then make it 3D - this will help squeeze page conversion MUCH better.

    2. You don't have a strong call to action on your page. Add some buttons, not just text link there to force people to click.

    3. Don't wait for free traffic. If you can spend $50 to get traffic, you can try banner advertising. Or if you want free traffic, contribute to a forum and put your web links on your signature.

    Those are my 2 cents. Don't give up! You're doing well on the site and content creation. Now you must do the marketing part.

    Don't give up until you have nothing less. Keep up the good work!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael08
    Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

    Guys,

    I'm at the point of just giving up. I really am working hard and i'm posting articles, but I'm not making any money despite getting some clicks. I also place all the articles on article sites, I had someone place backlinks and I made a Facebook page...what am I doing wrong??


    HealthDayTime - Your Health Center

    it's been about 2 months that I've had this site going...i really don't know what to do anymore
    It takes more than 2 months - keep going at it
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Michael08 View Post

      It takes more than 2 months - keep going at it
      Please excuse the observation that in my opinion this is completely inappropriate advice.

      I think that if you have a good look at the site (did you actually look at it at all?), and read the comments above, rather than just trying to make a quick, reassuring-sounding post, you'll quickly appreciate that the fundamental nature of the problems here are such that there's actually no point at all in "keeping going at it" in its present form. That can lead only to further frustration and disillusionment, and that helps nobody.

      Clearly a major change in perspective and approach are needed, here.
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  • Profile picture of the author imoffersonline
    hey friend you are doing good.

    bookmark your site , on high pr bookmarking site these are 35-36 have pr4-pr9.

    1.you can use fb -pr9 create page create some content and post it here.
    2.crate twitter account -pr 10 , twitter page and post your content here and attach the twitter page with fb.
    3. make a pinterest account and pin some images and give some description.

    then hire on fiverr someone senuke gigs , link pyramid and target only $20 for1 per week.

    guess what your serp improves.
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    if your content is unique then its gud. you can spam in tier2 and tier3 there is quantity , but in tier1 quality required.
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    you can hire someone on fiverr to create videos for you site or product review 1-2 minute for $5 it will help you.
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    you can choose few fiverr gigs create bookmarks for you .
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    submit your rss feed weekly .
    stay calm be positive . go slow . just try it.
    same procedure my few site are on #1 ranking in google for 3-4 words{longtail keyword} traffic less than 500. its enough but google rank my site pr-2.

    i m not promoting anything .
    you have to wait for upto 6 month for your site.after 6 month atleast you can get the desired result.

    you should consider "google domain age " factor also.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
    much appreciated my friend
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  • Profile picture of the author sparkah
    have you asked anybody how long it took to build a subscriber base that buys from you? Most of the people I asked say 2-3 years.

    2-3 months is hobby time.

    Sorry about that tough love.
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
    then seems like i've been talking to the wrong people...since it seems to me that such a large amount of members here claim to make money in just a couple of weeks...this is a reality check..
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  • Profile picture of the author astronomynerd
    Mate, don't give up, you're doing great. Try to build a big list and make sure you do your keyword research first! That's very important.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    If you are ready to give up after 2 months, you should. Online marketing is no different than any other business. It takes a lot of time and hard work.

    I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but if after two months you are considering giving up, running a business is probably not for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If you are ready to give up after 2 months, you should. Online marketing is no different than any other business. It takes a lot of time and hard work.

      I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but if after two months you are considering giving up, running a business is probably not for you.
      lol...i was sure there would be one guy who would "keep it real" and give a line like "not trying to sound like a jerk" and right after says something completely douchey....thanks for your kind words sir...really happy there's little of you here in the forum
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  • Profile picture of the author mdan287
    Before giving up, check this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...e-up-read.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    First of all OP it is good that you asked for help. No one that gets into online marketing does everything right their first time trying.

    Okay, you have chosen to work in the health niche, which is good. However, this is a highly competitive niche and right now there's nothing special about the info you're offering, or the way you offer it.

    When looking at your site I like the design, but the content makes me go "meh."

    There's literally tons of places online to find this info for free.

    What you've done is create a site that is trying to be all things to all people. For a one-person operation this isn't going to work. I know because I've been there and done that - FAIL. You cannot compete with the big health sites that spend thousands on SEO and marketing.

    So, my advice is to not add any more to this site. Instead. Pick ONE niche from the articles that you've written and build an entire site around that topic. Here are your current choices: Hair Care, Weight Loss Remedies, Laser Eye Treatment, Diabetes, Wrinkles (anti-aging), Acne, Dental Care, Eye Care and Men's Health.

    Each one of those topics can become a niche authority site, which is what you should be focused on building. Choose ONE, do extensive research on what people want to know about that topic. Create 500 to 800 word articles for that topic and post them on the site.

    Do good keyword research to find what keyword phrases people use when searching for this topic. Include those keywords in your articles and other pages. Find BUYER keywords (for specific niche products) and only offer products that people are currently buying.

    Look into learning about how to review and promote Amazon products on your site.

    Look into learning about how to find hot affiliate products (Amazon, Clicbank, JVZOO, etc.) and write product reviews that subtly PRE-SELL affiliate products. That is how you will make affiliate money. Simply posting links without the pre-sell won't work, as you found out.

    Rinse and Repeat for each niche topic.

    This is going to take more time, work and commitment to doing it right, but making these changes will lead to your ultimate success.
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    • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      First of all OP it is good that you asked for help. No one that gets into online marketing does everything right their first time trying.

      Okay, you have chosen to work in the health niche, which is good. However, this is a highly competitive niche and right now there's nothing special about the info you're offering, or the way you offer it.

      When looking at your site I like the design, but the content makes me go "meh."

      There's literally tons of places online to find this info for free.

      What you've done is create a site that is trying to be all things to all people. For a one-person operation this isn't going to work. I know because I've been there and done that - FAIL. You cannot compete with the big health sites that spend thousands on SEO and marketing.

      So, my advice is to not add any more to this site. Instead. Pick ONE niche from the articles that you've written and build an entire site around that topic. Here are your current choices: Hair Care, Weight Loss Remedies, Laser Eye Treatment, Diabetes, Wrinkles (anti-aging), Acne, Dental Care, Eye Care and Men's Health.

      Each one of those topics can become a niche authority site, which is what you should be focused on building. Choose ONE, do extensive research on what people want to know about that topic. Create 500 to 800 word articles for that topic and post them on the site.

      Do good keyword research to find what keyword phrases people use when searching for this topic. Include those keywords in your articles and other pages. Find BUYER keywords (for specific niche products) and only offer products that people are currently buying.

      Look into learning about how to review and promote Amazon products on your site.

      Look into learning about how to find hot products and write product reviews that subtly PRE-SELL affiliate products. That is how you will make affiliate money. Simply posting links without the pre-sell won't work, as you found out.

      Rinse and Repeat for each niche topic.

      This is going to take more time, work and commitment to doing it right, but making these changes will lead to your ultimate success.
      thanks for the advice my friend. The only thing about making this a sub-niche is that i'm scared I won't have enough products to promote...or that if I recommend a bunch of different products in the same sub-niche (say anti aging) I may sound a bit two-sided by recommending one product and then recommending a competitors product.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevL
    Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

    Guys,

    I'm at the point of just giving up. I really am working hard and i'm posting articles, but I'm not making any money despite getting some clicks. I also place all the articles on article sites, I had someone place backlinks and I made a Facebook page...what am I doing wrong??


    HealthDayTime - Your Health Center

    it's been about 2 months that I've had this site going...i really don't know what to do anymore
    This reply may come across as harsh - please take it in the spirit it's intended, which is as a helpful wakeup call to someone who clearly needs a bit of cold water thrown at them (and we've all been there, I know I have, regularly!!)

    A few things:

    First - you're at the point of giving up after 2 months...????!!!!

    For many of us it took MUCH more than a few months to make our fist penny online - try a few years... I have no idea how long it took me, and how many flop websites I created - but it was a LOT more than a few months I can tell you that much.

    You need to be prepared for the fact that it may take you a LOT more than a couple of months and a lot more than one attempt with one website.

    This isn't for everyone, and if 2 months is about your limit, then it may well not be for you. I know lots and lots of people who have given up after even less time than this, because they read somewhere that people were making a fortune online, jumped in - they didn't make money over night, so they gave up. .

    You need to learn from your mistakes, you need to find what you're good at, figure out where you excel, find good niches and so on. This all takes time and effort.

    Secondly - I honestly would re-think your plans with your current website.

    What you've done, is picked one of the most competitive and broad niches that exists, the health niche, you've created another one of MILLIONS of other websites competing in this niche, you don't appear to have done any real search term research or on page SEO (your page title is "Healthday") - you seem to think that you've done enough to gain organic traffic because you've posted articles in directory sites & had someone building some links for you - and now you're considering giving up because you're not making money after a couple of months.

    I'm not trying to put you down here because actually what you have done is very similar to what most of us do when we start out - if I remember correctly my first website was in a very competitive niche (money) and I started a website with a handful of articles and some backlinks and then waited eagerly for the commissions to roll in and wondered what the heck was going on.

    But I didn't give up, I never even contemplated the idea of giving up because I understood that I needed to keep trying & learning - and that I'd get there eventually.

    Buy maybe web marketing isn't for you - and again this isn't a put down, but it's not for everyone. If you enjoy it, if it excites you - then great, but if you really don't enjoy it then maybe it's not for you.

    Personally, as much as it annoyed me that I wasn't good at it... I had the "bug" from day one, and the first time I made just a few dollars online I was elated, it was like catching a MASSIVE fish. That's a good analogy I think - I like fishing, and when I first started as a kid I couldn't fish to save my life, but from having that very first bite, and the excitement of it, I was hooked (excuse the pun) from then on, and I often sat at the side of pools / lakes for a full day without one single bite, but it didn't stop me from keeping on going back & setting up again, and I learned a bit each time which make me better at it as I went along. I still SUCK at fishing in comparison to many people, and possible I suck at web marketing in comparison to some too, but I don't care. I love it, and I'm constantly learning & improving - and I would never give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author bridget1800
    Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

    Guys,

    I'm at the point of just giving up. I really am working hard and i'm posting articles, but I'm not making any money despite getting some clicks. I also place all the articles on article sites, I had someone place backlinks and I made a Facebook page...what am I doing wrong??


    HealthDayTime - Your Health Center

    it's been about 2 months that I've had this site going...i really don't know what to do anymore
    You site has too much "stuff" on it. It is too cluttered. Did you thought of maybe just creating a capture page to get your list going and then re-direct the customers to your FREE e-Book?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kerkhofssupport
    You're not doing anything wrong. You just found a few ways what didn't work. I made my first sale after two years!

    The problem with most newbies is that they try go SEO. You already have a blog. now setup a squeeze page. get traffic to it with: video, guest blogging, social media. Get ém on your list an send them to any link you want. your blog/ promotions etc.

    Focus on traffic funneling other than SEO. Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author KrisN
    First of all, your website isn't very good. It looks clunky and the fade effect makes it look very slow. People like to click on pages and open them fast.

    Are you posting all your articles that you write on your website to article sites?
    If you do STOP IT! Google hates duplicate content and your site possibly has got a duplicate content penalty.

    You have too many promotion links in your posts.

    The first article I clicked on (African mango) the try a bottle of it link goes to a website that has expired. Very unprofessional.

    Stop worrying about selling stuff. Start with building an audience first and then selling to them later.
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    • Profile picture of the author 24hours
      Are you posting all your articles that you write on your website to article sites? If you do STOP IT! Google hates duplicate content and your site possibly has got a duplicate content penalty.
      I thought we were suppossed to post or articles to our site first, then to the articles sites (ezine for one). I thought Google considers this syndiacted content, not duplicated content.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by 24hours View Post

        I thought we were suppossed to post or articles to our site first, then to the articles sites (ezine for one). I thought Google considers this syndiacted content, not duplicated content.
        Absolutely right.

        It is "syndicated content", and not "duplicate content", after all, so it looks like Google has it right.

        The differences between the two are briefly explained in this post and this little article.

        It would be a big mistake to submit to Ezine Articles (or to another article directory) an article which hadn't yet been published and indexed on your own site, as explained in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

        Misunderstandings about how article directories work, how one should use them, and more importantly how one shouldn't try to use them, are relatively widespread. Specifically, trying to use (actually "misuse") article directories for either their own backlinks or their own traffic can and often does actually damage your business, rather than helping it. The realities, if they interest anyone, are in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

        In this case, though, I think the main problem is fairly clear: there's a substantial mismatch between the traffic for which the site is apparently targeted and the traffic at which the information being offered in the "free report" is apparently targeted, and until that's rectified, it clearly won't be possible to build a responsive list. Since building a response list ought to be the primary purpose of a site of this kind, which has affiliate sales as the monetization plan, that's clearly something of a problem, to put it mildly. I'd venture to suggest that without initially addressing that, any other modifications, unfortunately, could be of only very limited value.

        At the moment, the site is more or less "trying to sell violins in a fish market". What disturbs me a little about this thread isn't so much the misunderstandings about publishing articles (those are common, after all!): it's seeing the number of posts from people saying variants of "No, that's fine, you're just being impatient, give it longer". When something is as amiss as this site, those comments actually help nobody.

        Sorry - people sometimes don't like to hear that, but that's the way it is.
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        • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Absolutely right.

          It is "syndicated content", and not "duplicate content", after all, so it looks like Google has it right.

          The differences between the two are briefly explained in this post and this little article.

          It would be a big mistake to submit to Ezine Articles (or to another article directory) an article which hadn't yet been published and indexed on your own site, as explained in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

          Misunderstandings about how article directories work, how one should use them, and more importantly how one shouldn't try to use them, are relatively widespread. Specifically, trying to use (actually "misuse") article directories for either their own backlinks or their own traffic can and often does actually damage your business, rather than helping it. The realities, if they interest anyone, are in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

          In this case, though, I think the main problem is fairly clear: there's a substantial mismatch between the traffic for which the site is apparently targeted and the traffic at which the information being offered in the "free report" is apparently targeted, and until that's rectified, it clearly won't be possible to build a responsive list. Since building a response list ought to be the primary purpose of a site of this kind, which has affiliate sales as the monetization plan, that's clearly something of a problem, to put it mildly. I'd venture to suggest that without initially addressing that, any other modifications, unfortunately, could be of only very limited value.

          At the moment, the site is more or less "trying to sell violins in a fish market". What disturbs me a little about this thread isn't so much the misunderstandings about publishing articles (those are common, after all!): it's seeing the number of posts from people saying variants of "No, that's fine, you're just being impatient, give it longer". When something is as amiss as this site, those comments actually help nobody.

          Sorry - people sometimes don't like to hear that, but that's the way it is.


          crap...i think i submitted the sites to article directories too early before mine was actually getting indexed...crap!
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

            crap...i think i submitted the sites to article directories too early before mine was actually getting indexed...crap!
            Don't panic too much about that ... the long-term, cumulative thing is what matters, with article indexations. You'll know for next time, and (I think!) you have have more important things to address here, anyway? And good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author KrisN
        Originally Posted by 24hours View Post

        I thought we were suppossed to post or articles to our site first, then to the articles sites (ezine for one). I thought Google considers this syndiacted content, not duplicated content.
        Sure, you have to make sure your content gets indexed first on google, but that's a pretty high risk to take. How can you be sure Google makes the right call? Or maybe Google decides to change the algorithm.

        Syndication is a tricky situation, because you can't really use syndication to improve your rankings. Strange huh?

        Cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users, we’ll also make appropriate adjustments in the indexing and ranking of the sites involved. As a result, the ranking of the site may suffer, or the site might be removed entirely from the Google index, in which case it will no longer appear in search results.”
        Also

        Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer.
        Source Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

        So Google might determine that the other source where you syndicated your content might be a better web page and give that higher rankings.

        Even Matt Cutts said:

        I would be mindful that taking all your articles and submitting them for syndication all over the place can make it more difficult to determine how much the site wrote its own content vs. just used syndicated content. My advice would be 1) to avoid over-syndicating the articles that you write, and 2) if you do syndicate content, make sure that you include a link to the original content. That will help ensure that the original content has more PageRank, which will aid in picking the best documents in our index.
        A tricky thing that I would avoid if possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author knoxwriter
    I'm not a guru, but before I subscribe to a list I like to read the "About" page and find out who is running it and what the individual's story is. So, you may think about how you can put your voice into your website more to make it more unique especially if you have a compelling story as to why you started the website in the first place.
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  • I don't think people care about health, they all say they do, but they don't. I'll give my example. I always said I cared but it wasn't till I got really fat (even then I didn't care that much) but started loosing my sight and getting shakes and diabetes, that I got off my behind and optin into sites, watching webinars, getting info products and got healthy again. To be truth I looked for a solution to a problem. I think people want to get into skinny jeans not be healthy. Just my 2 cents and I'm not 100% sure just observation. Good luck and don't give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    it's been about 2 months that I've had this site going
    I went 4 years without making any real money online, 2 months? SMH
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    Use some video submission and try to give some product for free and build a list that will get back your site on track.
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  • Profile picture of the author jachu2
    Don't give up! This is why so many people fail, they give up at the first sign of failure. Success begins with a mind-set!
    Start thinking like a customer, what would you like to see on that facebook page? What would persuade you to buy the product?
    Start some viral marketing with the facebook group!
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  • Profile picture of the author FantaMan
    The thing which will differentiate you from others is never giving up! People who are successful in ANY field are the ones who take failure as 'something to learn from'.

    Therefore i'd have a good look at what the successful people are doing in your industry and copy them!

    Goodluck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
    also, I see some of you saying health vertical isn't great..i will have to disagree, but what I do agree on is that some of you told me to choose a sub-niche

    my questions is, by sub-niche do you mean boiling it down to fitness/beauty/dieting or should i boil it down to something even more specific like swimming/anti-agining (which in that case i feel like i'd have a problem finding enough products or even enough to write about (correct me if I'm wrong)
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  • Profile picture of the author RachelLily
    The reason in this situation is that you chose a wrong niche site. Maybe your niche site is easy for SEO, but it is bad for commerciality and traffic.

    In generally, you must spend a lot of time to do a research to find a potential niche site. In step by step, you must choose an interesting topic which you like, then you search on relevant keywords, traffic, commerciality, competition….
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    • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
      Originally Posted by RachelLily View Post

      The reason in this situation is that you chose a wrong niche site. Maybe your niche site is easy for SEO, but it is bad for commerciality and traffic.

      In generally, you must spend a lot of time to do a research to find a potential niche site. In step by step, you must choose an interesting topic which you like, then you search on relevant keywords, traffic, commerciality, competition….
      I understand....but I really would like to know how deep into detail i need to go with the niche...I like swimming, but how can I possibly generate revenue from just swimming..and despite all my love for it, how much can I possibly write about that on a daily or bi-daily basis?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

        I understand....but I really would like to know how deep into detail i need to go with the niche...I like swimming, but how can I possibly generate revenue from just swimming..and despite all my love for it, how much can I possibly write about that on a daily or bi-daily basis?
        Alright, even though you called me a douche like a jackass, here is some free advice. Why in the world do you think you have to write about something daily or bi-daily?

        You do not need to write about something daily to be successful in the niche. Whoever told you that you do is probably someone you should stop listening to.
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        • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Alright, even though you called me a douche like a jackass, here is some free advice. Why in the world do you think you have to write about something daily or bi-daily?

          You do not need to write about something daily to be successful in the niche. Whoever told you that you do is probably someone you should stop listening to.
          I retract my douche comment kind sir...forgiveness please

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            Do you have a list? no list no money
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  • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
    Your site looks awfully generic and doesn't seem to have any unique value.
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    • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
      Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

      Your site looks awfully generic and doesn't seem to have any unique value.
      I tend to disagree...yes indeed some articles are a bit too sale-zy but looking at some other articles like swimming, panic attacks, or workouts I'd say they do indeed add a lot of value.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

        yes indeed some articles are a bit too sale-zy but looking at some other articles like swimming, panic attacks, or workouts I'd say they do indeed add a lot of value.
        Yes indeed ... some are altogether too salesy.

        The articles on swimming, panic attacks and workouts may add value for people interested in swimming, panic attacks and workouts, but those are three entirely different niches.

        And then the "free report" you're giving away is in the weight-loss niche!

        There's no targeting at all.

        Building a list of people who wanted to download the (unincentivized, undescribed, almost concealed) "free report" on weight-loss isn't going to be of much use to you with a "general health site".

        Unfortunately, this thread's all become rather confused and confusing, and it's without criticism that I mention that I'm far from sure that you've actually appreciated what the main problem is, here.

        Apologies if my post is repetitive or otherwise unwelcome, but I really think these two posts may help you ... (can I say that a little more strongly without offending you? I think you have almost no chance at all of making a penny from this site without understanding the content either of these two posts or of something very like them) ...

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7642288
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
    I completely agree alexa but how detailed should I be with the niche?
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      • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Which niche? You don't have "a niche" at the moment!

        You need to select a niche (not "weight-loss" - that isn't a niche: it's a market and an absolutely huge one!), and then have a traffic-generating plan to attract potential customers in that niche. You also need to have a "free report" which fulfils all the criteria listed in the first part of this post, and it has to be in the same niche, and all the other content on the site has to be in the same niche too, and in order to monetize the site, you need to be promoting carefully targeted products also in that same niche. The opt-in needs to be prominently incentivized, and it needs to be on the landing page.

        But you have to start, I think, by choosing a niche. And neither "health" nor "weight-loss" is a niche. They're two different markets.

        "Indoor hydroponic gardening" is a niche. "Growing tomatoes" is a niche. "Brewing beer at home" is a niche. "Low-glycemic-index dessert recipes for people with diabetes" is a niche.
        that's exactly what I wanted to know...i'm gonna need to really get super specific on this. Thanks Alexa this really helps me out...now i gotta find out what i really need to write about..and then i'll be making a proper incentive for my users to sign up on. Much appreciated.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        "Brewing beer at home"
        I love it when you talk dirty.
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  • Profile picture of the author Masterofdisaster
    just one last question...despite the massive screw up of having this site extremely too general, is there anything I can still do with it? Can I possibly start posting articles that deal solely with competitive swimming on the same site...or should I just make a new site all together?

    I fear google could have penalized me for copying content since I posted my articles on article directories that it may not even be worth continuing with this one

    If not...can this site be of any kind of service to me or should I scrap it all together?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

      just one last question...despite the massive screw up of having this site extremely too general, is there anything I can still do with it?
      I don't know ... but don't worry too much about the Google situation over having submitted to the article directories first, because that can be reversed in future anyway, if you accumulate enough future initial indexations for your own site.

      I admit, though, that personally I wouldn't continue this site in its present form, anyway.

      I would, however, strongly advise you, if planning that Google is going to be your major traffic-source, to stay away from all these niches (except possibly "competitive swimming" about which I know nothing at all!).

      Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

      I fear google could have penalized me for copying content since I posted my articles on article directories
      Google has definitely not penalized you for that.

      I post all my articles to EZA anyway. That isn't the problem, here. (That's "syndicated content", not "duplicate content" - all explained on the previous page ). The problem is simply that for the articles you have already, you've failed to acquire the initial indexation for your own site. Unless there's some huge number of them, I wouldn't panic about that.

      Originally Posted by Masterofdisaster View Post

      If not...can this site be of any kind of service to me
      I suspect not, really, to be honest. Sorry.

      May I offer you a subsidiary thought about "SEO traffic and affiliate marketing", here, because I do think it's something for you to be aware of (and it may even be relevant to your niche selection)? Personally, I'd advise you not to put too much of your time and effort into trying to attract SEO traffic, for two main reasons: first, it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost; secondly, for me, search engine traffic has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried - search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often. I admit I do get tons of search engine traffic to all my main sites (because high rankings for multiple keywords happen to be a minor side-benefit of the targeted traffic-generation method I use) but I'd hate to have to make a living just from that traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author higherluv
    Yes, I suggest/concur that:
    - your "niche" is too general - and not a niche but a category.
    - you may want to make better use of your articles other than just submitting to article directories; these produce a trickle of traffic these days
    - focus your efforts on making quality content, not just "working hard" and making a slew of content just for SEO purposes
    - do keep going even after 2 months! But do consider the advice people have given you and make the necessary changes suggested...
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  • Profile picture of the author Broyde
    What are you doing wrong? In one instance, I think it might be kind of challenging wanting to buy from someone who refers to themselves as the master of disaster...but to each his own.

    When I saw your title, I think that I may have had a flashback to what you may have been feeling. I found that when I tried to rely on article marketing that I went years (not 2 months) without benefiting from that kind of marketing. When I started doing other things, the situation improved.

    Some people will sing article marketing's praises, but I can't.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackCronfield
    STOP doing article marketing it doesn't work ! There are lots of other ways to market yourself today. Offer valuable information and start building a community using facebook, twitter etc. Don't expect quick results.
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  • Profile picture of the author HorstStreit
    Success will come to adhere to the people.
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