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Unread 22nd February 2013, 07:32 AM   #1
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Are the enough volume going through other search engines to be able to effectively concentrate on non google search engine traffic?
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With the way Google has been acting towards IMer's it is very possible. I would still try and get Google traffic, but wouldn't spend too much time on it, the internet is way bigger than Google.

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You can ignore google, but in my opinion, it's not recommended.
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Are the enough volume going through other search engines to be able to effectively concentrate on non google search engine traffic?
You can totally ignore Google but you're looking at it in the wrong way. Ignore all search engines and focus on building your traffic from alternative sources such as video, PPC, banner ads, list building, Q&A sites, social media, forums, guest posting and so on. Find out where your target audience is and get your content and advertisements in front of them.

If you do this properly eventually you will rank in the search engines anyway.

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You can totally ignore Google but you're looking at it in the wrong way. Ignore all search engines and focus on building your traffic from alternative sources such as video, PPC, banner ads, list building, Q&A sites, social media, forums, guest posting and so on. Find out where your target audience is and get your content and advertisements in front of them.

If you do this properly eventually you will rank in the search engines anyway.
Totally agree! Yes it requires work but in the long run you will reap the rewards, and traffic will begin to flow to you rather than chasing it all the time! Plus you wont be at the mercy of Google's forever changing algorithms!

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Google is not the only place out there to advertise your business.

Even if they don't get your site on their first pages does not mean that you will fail online. It just means that you will have to learn the easy way or the hard way on how to drive traffic with other strategies.

Too many people just rely on them for traffic which is BAD.

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Sure it's possible but why would you ignore such a large traffic source? The best strategy is to concentrate on other sources of traffic AND organic SEO.

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Hi everyone,

google is google you cannot ignore it but don't depend on it. You must have other traffic sources.

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You CAN ignore it and still be a huge success and drive huge volumes of traffic to your site. There are so many avenues for traffic out there that Google doesn't control. Obviously if you can then you'd want to rank in Google because it's an extra source of traffic for you but spending all your time focusing on something which you have very little control over isn't a wise move. Work on the other traffic sources first, wait till you've mastered them, then think about google.

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Are the enough volume going through other search engines to be able to effectively concentrate on non google search engine traffic?
Yep. And there's more than enough volume going through other websites that have nothing to do with Google. Also the paid advertising inventory out there is staggering.

Google is less than 5% of my overall traffic, so I mostly ignore them everyday. lol

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Yep. And there's more than enough volume going through other websites that have nothing to do with Google. Also the paid advertising inventory out there is staggering.

Google is less than 5% of my overall traffic, so I mostly ignore them everyday. lol

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I agree with the thoughts of the others here even though it may not have been said. But I think it is probably best to ignore google. Like another poster said, once you do certian things correctly, google will see you as someone that they want to come looking for.

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I hear Google doesn't even have drivers in those cars,
so I don't want them in my traffic!! :p


Jokes aside, I hate Google traffic, for me it was always
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"Can I get enough traffic without them" it was more
"How can I stop them from finding me!!?"

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1. Block them with the robots.txt file; and/or
2. Use a noindex metatag in the header:

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Yes, it is really possible to ignore Google. But I don't recommend ignoring Google.
As we all know that Google is the biggest search engine and it doesn't need to be ignored.
Lots of people are using Google so take it as an advantage for your business.

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There are many ways of creating income online without Google's help. Build a community and create a place online where your customers (readers/subscribers) want to be and you'll always succeed. Also, there's many people on this very forum (me included) who do super well with paid traffic.

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Social media, forums, guest blogging and blog commenting is were I get most of my traffic from.. "Correct" keyword research, on-page SEO and quality content can still bring in traffic from search engines. I don't worry to much about Google though..

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I haven't relied on google for almost a year.

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Social media, forums, guest blogging and blog commenting is were I get most of my traffic from.. "Correct" keyword research, on-page SEO and quality content can still bring in traffic from search engines. I don't worry to much about Google though..
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Forum & Social Marketing are very targeted sources of income for me. Therefore, I would rely on Google or other Search Engine.
But, why would you want to ignor Google? If you don't want to mess with it, just leave it alone, but you still need the proper SEO structures of the site.

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Forum & Social Marketing are very targeted sources of income for me. Therefore, I would rely on Google or other Search Engine.
But, why would you want to ignor Google? If you don't want to mess with it, just leave it alone, but you still need the proper SEO structures of the site.
I do proper keyword research and on-page SEO out of "habit".. so I naturally get traffic from Google.. But I don't "rely" on them..

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"Ignore" is a strong word. It's a good idea to practice at least basic seo methods on your site, but you don't have to drive yourself crazy over that number one spot.

Look at it this way. At any time, without any warning, Google could switch things up, and somehow you lose that number one position that you've been counting on for all of your traffic.

Now you've lost ALL of your traffic and you're back to square one.

Google is one method for getting free traffic, but I honestly feel that it's dangerous to put all of your eggs in one basket. Especially a basket that has all the control.

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Yes, it's possible. It all comes down to what your site is about, as to how to ignore G I have a blog that regularly gets 100+ visits per day passively. That's from ONE social network and I don't even post often at the moment. All my traffic on that site pretty much comes from that one place. But yes, it did take time to make that account an authority account... no bots, no crap.
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Yes, it's possible. It all comes down to what your site is about, as to how to ignore G I have a blog that regularly gets 100+ visits per day passively. That's from ONE social network and I don't even post often at the moment. All my traffic on that site pretty much comes from that one place. But yes, it did take time to make that account an authority account... no bots, no crap.
Good stuff.. I have a Tumblr account on the first page of Google for a 96K/Month keyword and it's been there for over a year.. I get hundreds of visits from there everyday. The funny part is that I was just using a syndication plugin that was hot back in 2011 that required me to use Tumblr. (I don't use the plugin anymore) but it introduced me to the power of Tumblr.

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Are the enough volume going through other search engines to be able to effectively concentrate on non google search engine traffic?
Frank Kern had a eBook talking about using Yahoo and he also said and I quote "Have you ever heard of the Yahoo smack down?" So, yes you can concentrate on non Google search engine traffic and be successful but I wouldn't completely give up on Google.

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If you are really asking "can i ignore Google and only target the other search engines" then the answer really is NO.
But then all search engines require some kind of SEO so whay not look at the biggest search provider if you are going to look at any of them.

To many, Google just seems to become a huge scary, awkward, unfriendly beast that is somethig to be battled. It only looks that way if you take on the initial idea that it is a fight and the way to beat it is with "magic" backlinking and content creation tools.

Those that embrace Google and the whole concept of supplying great content are the real winners (and always will be).

You will still need some SEO of course but if you approach it sensibly and more "naturally" you will be surprised at just how little you have to do to rank good content.

Social traffic is possible without really embracing Google if done correctly but in truth takes as much work as SEO.

If you truly want to ignore Google then paid traffic is your obvious solution (Unless you want to use AdWords ).

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You shouldn’t desire to ignore Google, but try to get organic traffic from Google, besides doing many other things to get traffic from other sources. Google is a powerful search engine, and Google+ is very helpful.






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I don't believe so, we can't ignore google, especially with the rise of the display ad network.
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Is it possible to ignore Google?

Of course it is.

Is it wise to ignore the 500lb gorilla in the room, no way!

Google has matured to the point that it can now dictate how serps are decided upon.

It has shown, with panda, and penguin, that the old methods of ranking will be eradicated, and this will include backlinks one day.

Your job is to keep up to date with what they are rolling out, and envision how the future rankings will be decided.

I welcome the Google changes, and look forward to reaping the benefits.

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Of course you can ignore Google if you are getting enough traffic from other sources.

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google is not everything, google only one source for getting traffic... although the traffic were targeted ....there are still a lot other thing such youtube, pinterest, social media, bing, yahoo , forum, press release you can use for generating traffic.

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Your job is to keep up to date with what they are rolling out, and envision how the future rankings will be decided.

I welcome the Google changes, and look forward to reaping the benefits.

Perhaps you should also consider this path.
Why spend all your time trying to keep up to date and ahead of their newest algorithm updates though when you can just use alternative traffic methods and not worry about it?

I do SEO / backlinking still but for most of my sites it's not a priority, it's an uphill battle that there's no point in fighting.

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I will buy my traffic . I could not be bothered to spend all my waking hours do time consuming Seo stuff or paying others to do Seo stuff ... You still paying right. At least with targeted paid traffic you cut through the bull and find out if your sales page concerts and if it does you have JV opportunities. Why waste time? You still going to spend the money one way or another to get the traffic?
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Google is the steadiest way to get LONG term traffic.

Personally, i LOVE google because i can plan my business around it.

Anything else, and you'll just get a blip of traffic. blips are impossible to plan to.

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LOL, what is "blip"?? Anyway it is still wrong. In fact, many other methods
of traffic, including any number of paid traffic methods that the OP has already
said he will use, are far easier to plan around.

Mike the problem maybe in the mindset where people still believe SEO is free , which it is not. Also there is the change in google where its business model increasingly favour large corporate big spending. People can't seem to accept that the days when google appeared to favour the little people to leave their 9 to 5 grind and Achieve their dreams for free are almost over.

Google was humble when it just started , one of us - a new kid on the block. Doing the search engine thing for the right reasons. Since its IPO it was obvious that having established search engine dominance, it's owners would and its institutional share holders will demand it cash in. Which it has and is continuing to do. Just watch how Facebook will go the same way.

I have noticed that most small guys making it with google Seo play a cat and mouse game , flirting with grey if not black hat that gets found out then they have to move to the next technique.

I could not be bothered with playing these time consuming games.

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Mike the problem maybe in the mindset where people still believe SEO is free , which it is not. Also there is the change in google where its business model increasingly favour large corporate big spending. People can't seem to accept that the days when google appeared to favour the little people to leave their 9 to 5 grind and Achieve their dreams for free are almost over.

Google was humble when it just started , one of us - a new kid on the block. Doing the search engine thing for the right reasons. Since its IPO it was obvious that having established search engine dominance, it's owners would and its institutional share holders will demand it cash in. Which it has and is continuing to do. Just watch how Facebook will go the same way.

I have noticed that most small guys making it will google Seo play a cat and mouse game , flirting with grey if not black hat that gets found out then they have to move to the next technique.

I could not be bothered with playing these time consuming games.
It's not only the games, you also have to consider the traffic
you'd be getting after all that work.

If you have a local offline business, like a restaurant,
you might get some benefit from it. But in your case, I don't
think I would use a search engine to find my next accountant!!

You don't want broke people looking for free information.
Buy some good ads and hire some good writers for a few
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yes, you can ignore Google and Social Media's can be your main free traffic source.
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Indeed. It costs money to do SEO (unless you're getting natural links) so why pay for something which is uncertain when you can spend your money on guaranteed and instant traffic. I'm not anti-SEO and I DO use it on some projects where applicable but it's definitely not a long term winning solution.

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There's no reason to ignore on-page SEO. You should always be very clear about what your website content is about.

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Google was humble when it just started , one of us - a new kid on the block. Doing the search engine thing for the right reasons. Since its IPO it was obvious that having established search engine dominance, it's owners would and its institutional share holders will demand it cash in. Which it has and is continuing to do. Just watch how Facebook will go the same way.

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Oh, I sense this is so true.

I have a love/hate relationship with Google. On the one hand, who doesn't love being able to use Search for anything and everything? Heck, people don't even bother boookmarking key, often-visited sites anymore, they just make Google go fetch their desired site. I personally use Google as my main spell checker since it's so much faster than the actual online dictionaries I know about and offers the RIGHT spelling, usually.

But their power is immense and growing, and I'm not just talking about Search, though that's a key one. With their hegemonic Search function they now unbelievable power. Instead of just offering the most relevant or most visited or most popular sites, they now have the power to guide, influence, direct and manipulate what they once seemed to be merely observing and reporting. They can now create their version of reality, and if it serves corporations over the needs of surfers, then they are, IMO, becoming dangerous. Do we need some entity deciding for us what's important, what we should see? I wouldn't think so.
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I say no, it's not possible to ignore Google. Even in an offline/phone business.

Case in point, one of my clients produces infomercials - a lot of the products you see on TV come from them. More than 50% of their orders come from the web - but they aren't from people typing the domain into the address bar. They type the product name or brand into Google.

If they aren't in the top 3 spots, copycats and affiliates who are get their sale. Weeks of SEO prep go into getting each of these brands #1 for their keyword. If my team is unsuccessful in doing that, the product sales suffer dramatically. If we can't get there organically in time for the first airing, we run an AdWords campaign to own it, even if it's a product that would never make sense in a long-term strategy.

So no, I say you can't ignore google... not if you want to actually make money.

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I don't work on any seo traffic these days

All the traffic i get are from other free traffic sources which are way more stable than seo

I spent 2 years making most of my money from seo traffic but i got to a point and said enough
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I now generate 4 - 5k per month and rising to my IM blog all from free traffic and only about 1% of this traffic is from seo

ever since i got away from seo I've been sleeping much better :-)

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Are the enough volume going through other search engines to be able to effectively concentrate on non google search engine traffic?
If you ignore google now, you will be missing a lot. So my answer is-
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I've been focusing on ignoring them for a while now. Do the basic SEO and move on to marketing. Its better to pay as you go and get live traffic IMHO.

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As my dad always said, "The Cream Shall Rise to the Top"...........just focus on stirring the bucket with, SEO, Blogging, Social Media etc., and focus on building your list and don't worry about google or any other search engine for that matter.

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I think the thing is when you are new you are told that you can get traffic from google without having to pay money for it. That's true, but they don't tell you what you will have to pay to get google's rank. I said it earlier, and I will say it again...we can/must and are able to do better than google.

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Are the enough volume going through other search engines to be able to effectively concentrate on non google search engine traffic?
Google is the major search engine. Late 2012 stats showed Google with 84% searches followed by Bing/Yahoo at 12% and Baidu 2% and Ask 1%. So if you are going to go with search engines you might as well stick with Google.

Do what you are doing, make sure you have good on page SEO, write for humans and not search engines, socialize including Google + and also use other free traffic methods to drive traffic to your site

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Ignore whom? :p

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I agree with the majority, at this point if you don't have G on your side you don't have enough to sustain your business.

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