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butters

11 years ago

Makes no sense... Your annoyed because people are doing early bird lists?

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Haroon Ballim

11 years ago

There is a reason sellers do that . It is to create interest pre luanch . Their product may be ready but the thought out there is to create a buzz pre luanch so when the item luanches the earnings per click are high . Earnings per click is what gets you WSO of the day . A high EPC is what makes the Warrior Forum want to market your product. When u get WSO of the day , your earnings skyrocket . Thats the main reason . Also the item may not yet be ready for luanch but it is mainly to create a buzz around the product .

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Julius Minor

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Haroon Ballim

There is a reason sellers do that . It is to create interest pre luanch . Their product may be ready but the thought out there is to create a buzz pre luanch so when the item luanches the earnings per click are high . Earnings per click is what gets you WSO of the day . A high EPC is what makes the Warrior Forum want to market your product. When u get WSO of the day , your earnings skyrocket . Thats the main reason . Also the item may not yet be ready for luanch but it is mainly to create a buzz around the product .

Well said.. I think it's a good idea..

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Julius Minor 11 years ago

Can anyone give me a reason (besides the fact that it can be annoying to some people) that this is not a good method? Hmmm..?
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Brandon Tanner

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

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Is anyone else on this forum sick and tired of the new form of wso's where the vendor does not launch his/her wso for a week ( so as to build a list ) ' Get on the 'pre-launch list '

Just get the product out there guys

Comments please

Shaun

A marketer that wants to build an email list????

Who ever heard of such a crazy thing!

That silly little tactic will never work!!!

:rolleyes:

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butters

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner

A marketer that wants to build an email list????

Who ever heard of such a crazy thing!

That silly little tactic will never work!!!

:rolleyes:

Psssh emails are just the new hot buzz right now, they wont last long at all :rolleyes:

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ymest

11 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

Psssh emails are just the new hot buzz right now, they wont last long at all :rolleyes:

I hope so!!!

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shaunwilliams

11 years ago

This is a recent thing in wso's and depending on the actual wso ( 70% useless ) is a list building exercise and only a list building exercise. The actual wso may not get any buyers or in fact may be withdrawn due to poor reviews, but the vendor has achieved the aim -- list building

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shaunwilliams

11 years ago

Can anyone give me a reason (besides the fact that it can be annoying to some people) that this is not a good method? Hmmm..?

It is not ethical But that 's ok i suppose

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Julius Minor

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

It is not ethical But that 's ok i suppose

A pre-launch is unethical?

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shaunwilliams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Julius Minor

A pre-launch is unethical?

Depends how it's done and your interpretation of ethics

Shaun

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Julius Minor

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

Depends how it's done and your interpretation of ethics

Shaun

Let's be honest with ourselves.. It's the Person that makes it unethical not the strategy..

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Julius Minor 11 years ago

How many months in advance do we here about the next big Gadget? ipad for example.. It creates a huge buzz, it creates hungry buyers. I think it's one of the best tactics you can use for your business.
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shaunwilliams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Julius Minor

Let's be honest with ourselves.. It's the Person that makes it unethical not the strategy..

But here on the warrior forum are we not trying to get away from the BS stratagies.
Here is a typical BS wso sales statement :
I am going to give warriors first opportunity to get this at $7.99 and then it will be put on clickbank for $47.99 or whatever. How many of these offers end up on clickbank ?

My point is this : As a forum we expect offers to be genuine without silly scarcity tactics, and if you want to build your list do it after purchase. BE HONEST on the forum

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butters

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

My point is this : As a forum we expect offers to be genuine without silly scarcity tactics, and if you want to build your list do it after purchase. BE HONEST on the forum

Thanks Shaun

Ok, that is the marketer being unethical... Not the tatic being used.

Every major companies uses this technique and not just in the IM niche, look at every game which is realeased, they have a pre-sale period where they build their lists and forums. The technology industry, they go to confrences to build buzz about their up and coming product. The film industry, they release their films to groups to build up reviews and talk about it. This is just a few industries using it... None of it is unethical. It can only become unethical if the marketer lies, but then its not the technique which is unethical, its the marketer.

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Big Rob

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

Very poor argument my friend . Guru (clickbank ) 56 min vid comes to mind

For someone who despises Gurus and WSOs, you spend an awful lot of time "looking " at them.

Originally Posted by Julius Minor

How many months in advance do we here about the next big Gadget? ipad for example.. It creates a huge buzz, it creates hungry buyers. I think it's one of the best tactics you can use for your business.

Absolutely.
Sound,proven, business.
Yes, business.
Not product shopping.

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

It's YOUR problem if you have "shiny object syndrome" and can't wait to get your hands on it

Fixed that for ya,Alex

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Julius Minor

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

But here on the warrior forum are we not trying to get away from the BS stratagies.
Here is a typical BS wso sales statement :
I am going to give warriors first opportunity to get this at $7.99 and then it will be put on clickbank for $47.99 or whatever. How many of these offers end up on clickbank ?

My point is this : As a forum we expect offers to be genuine without silly scarcity tactics, and if you want to build your list do it after purchase. BE HONEST on the forum

Thanks Shaun

I understand what you are saying but that's the Marketer not the method :confused:
Your gonna sit here and tell me that creating a buzz before your product launches is not ideal?
I agree with you about Unethical Marketers but the strategy itself is invaluable.

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butters

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

This is a recent thing in wso's and depending on the actual wso ( 70% useless ) is a list building exercise and only a list building exercise. The actual wso may not get any buyers or in fact may be withdrawn due to poor reviews, but the vendor has achieved the aim -- list building

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Shaun .

I have never released a WSO here but I know that the Pre-Sale of the WSO is just as important as the actual launch of the WSO. The part you find "annoying" is something which comes under the pre-sale, along with other things like finding affiliates etc... Each is a cog in the wheel which improves the chances of your WSO being a success, each part needs to be good for your WSO to have longjevity.

And the part about being not ethical, what isn't ethical about it?

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shaunwilliams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

I have never released a WSO here but I know that the Pre-Sale of the WSO is just as important as the actual launch of the WSO. The part you find "annoying" is something which comes under the pre-sale, along with other things like finding affiliates etc... Each is a cog in the wheel which improves the chances of your WSO being a success, each part needs to be good for your WSO to have longjevity.

And the part about being not ethical, what isn't ethical about it?

But if the wso is for an example a 3 page regurgitated plr piece of rubbish then the the pre-launch ( get on my list ) is unethical at best.

Shaun

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Julius Minor 11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

But if the wso is for an example a 3 page regurgitated plr piece of rubbish then the the pre-launch ( get on my list ) is unethical at best.

Shaun

Ok I see your point if that's the case..
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butters 11 years ago

Originally Posted by shaunwilliams

But if the wso is for an example a 3 page regurgitated plr piece of rubbish then the the pre-launch ( get on my list ) is unethical at best.

Shaun

How is pre-saleing a product unethical? It would be the contents of the pre-sale which could be unethical but the tatic itself is completely ethical.
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Valdor Kiebach

11 years ago

Its annoying if you want the product NOW.
I dont join the list I just bookmark the page and visit again IF I remember.

I know how you feel as I dont care much for this tactic myself.

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Paleochora

11 years ago

Yes.
I completely understand the process (heck...I am a marketer too) but I agree it is bloody irritating on here.

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dudelive 11 years ago

I agree doing pre launch on WF does seem a little strange. Does it really give you the edge?
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mstrmindmktg

11 years ago

I don't think it's just about building a list. I mean nothing wrong with increasing your list, but it is also letting people know about this great product coming up that they will have to have that is guaranteed to increase their email open rate by 35%. Who wouldn't want that? Also, once the product is actually launched, those folks will go straight to the "Buy Now" button because the anticipation has built so that they won't wait any longer to get their hands on it.

There is pre-buzz in anything being marketed. It lets people know what they need before they even knew they needed it!

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Malcolm Thomas

11 years ago

That tactic is used to get people ready for the product launch and to also increase their EPC which will help increase their sales. It's a well known marketing tactic that WORKS.

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John Romaine

11 years ago

May I ask, when the "special offers" of this forum first launched, weren't they effectively members offering other members their products at a discount. Therefor actually doing it in good faith?

WTF has building a list got to do with helping other members here?

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heavysm

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

May I ask, when the "special offers" of this forum first launched, weren't they effectively members offering other members their products at a discount. Therefor actually doing it in good faith?

WTF has building a list got to do with helping other members here?

Yes, it seems that warriors tend to enjoy stretching the limits of what a special offer means now. Whether that includes only including a teeny tiny portion of a much larger course as the WSO, so simply warming up potential newbies about the "effectiveness" of their method. I have opted out of almost every WSO list that was part of a funnel. Some warriors must think I'm dense if they think I'm going to stay on their list just to get to the product i paid for. That's not the way i work

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Big Rob

11 years ago

Why Not?

Sound business.

Just as the Grand High Exalted Ruler said, you may get the juicy discount for being the first xx to buy.

You could always stop perusing the WSO forum,too.

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shaunwilliams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Big Rob

Why Not?

Sound business.

Just as the Grand High Exalted Ruler said, you may get the juicy discount for being the first xx to buy.

You could always stop perusing the WSO forum,too.

Very poor argument my friend . Guru (clickbank ) 56 min vid comes to mind

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

It's a problem if you have "shiny object syndrome" and can't wait to get your hands on it

As far as marketing goes, it is smart marketing. Apple does a press conference about their up coming release, and people camp out in front of stores to buy it.

Is it annoying? maybe to some. Is it smart? does a rabbit hump alot?

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Julius Minor 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

It's a problem if you have "shiny object syndrome" and can't wait to get your hands on it

LOL.. That's the problem!
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art72

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

It's a problem if you have "shiny object syndrome" and can't wait to get your hands on it

As far as marketing goes, it is smart marketing. Apple does a press conference about their up coming release, and people camp out in front of stores to buy it.

Is it annoying? maybe to some. Is it smart? does a rabbit hump alot?

Exactly... as does Xbox, PlayStation, and several other powerhouse marketing strategists who use these techniques???

I think the strategy is brilliant, and as far as the product itself... "How could you possibly IMPLY it's garbage (*for lack of a better term) if YOU yourself have NOT purchased it yet?" <---That my friend is the epitome of being UNETHICAL!!!:rolleyes:

Secondly, if your "main beef" is the annoyance of being asked to opt-in for a 'sneak peek' per se, is it that hard to create a free email account, and keep all the rubbish sent from not-so important subscriptions in it's rightful place?

Then if the product holds it's salt, opt-in or forward those emails from that particular marketer.

I NEVER use my 'important' email addresses or my real name on ANY list, unless I know that the marketer sending me emails has information worth opening.

Finally, why are you trolling the WSO threads?:confused: - 99% of what you need can be found in the forum or for FREE in the War Room?

*Not dishing the WSO section here, but in 2 years, I have bought 3 WSO's, all of which 'happen' to deliver a greater value than the asking price. Truth be told, I troll through there just to get sales page ideas, and on occasion study the sales funnel techniques being used... leading to opt-ins, and sales.

While I appreciate it annoys you... I hate tampon commercials (*being I am MAN) and yet they still put them on TV, WTF?

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ceenote100

11 years ago

I think it depends on the marketer. If he/she has enough clout on here then it would be beneficial. Someone without any status at all wouldn't have much luck with that tactic. They're better off just launching the product and see if they receive positive reviews.

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wlasikiewicz

11 years ago

Without the seller making a list of his/her "interested" clients there would be no one making money.

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

But here on the warrior forum are we not trying to get away from the BS stratagies.

The product may be unethical, but the stratgy of creating buzz, is no way shape or form unethical. Even Santa Clause creates buzz when it's getting close to Christmas. All big corporations create buzz, even facebook created buzz with their new graph search.

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shaunwilliams

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

The product may be unethical, but the stratgy of creating buzz, is no way shape or form unethical. Even Santa Clause creates buzz when it's getting close to Christmas. All big corporations create buzz, even facebook created buzz with their new graph search.

There is always a way to defend this sort of marketing, especially if your into that particular sort or marketing.

I started this thread by saying ' get the product out there and don't ask people to sign up to your list on the promise of '' What ''

Shaun

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

I started this thread by saying ' get the product out there and don't ask people to sign up to your list on the promise of '' What ''

It's hard to ask someone to do away with what works, Shaun. I don't like waiting for stuff either, but I understand 100% the strategy behind it, and have no problem with it whatsoever.

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sandman123

11 years ago

I sign up for the pre-launch if it looks interesting.
When advised it's live, I un-subscribe from the list. I'm never on ANY list for more than 48hrs.

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art72

11 years ago

Like all pointless arguments...

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Big Rob 11 years ago

Originally Posted by art72

Like all pointless arguments...

Hmm. Why do I want cotton candy now?
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Julius Minor 11 years ago

Originally Posted by art72

Like all pointless arguments...

I agree.. Nice pic.. The explosion is a "joke"!
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James Campbell

11 years ago

lol mad at marketing on a marketing forum lol

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Kay King 11 years ago

Doesn't seem worth a rant. I don't much for the practice - but that's OK. It's my choice not to EVER sign up for one of those WSOs.

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Stuart Walker

11 years ago

Go on Amazon and look for any big branded product that's due to come out in the coming months, there's a pre-launch. You can sign up and pay for it NOW and get it as soon as it's released. At least with the early bird WSO's you don't have to pay in advance, simply you get an email informing you when it's released.

What's wrong with it? If you're not interested in the product then don't sign up for the list and it won't cause you any annoyance. If you are interested in it and want informed when it's released then sign up and stop moaning about it.

May I ask, when the "special offers" of this forum first launched, weren't they effectively members offering other members their products at a discount. Therefor actually doing it in good faith?

WTF has building a list got to do with helping other members here?

Most WSO's sell at $7. How much cheaper do you want them to be?

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