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Product Creation- Copyright Issues...

by snowowl
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Hiya,

I'm developing my product, had some initial feedback, and will be re-writing my product, with some scientific evidence, quotes from famous authors etc...

My problem is this. Do I need to email every scientific journal, every self-help aurthor to get their permission, or would a simple credit when it comes to the quote/scientific fact etc be sufficient?

Just not sure when it comes to the copyrighting, what stuff I can print, and what stuff I can't

Any suggestions would be welcome

Thanks again

Snowowl
#copyright #creation #issues #product
  • Profile picture of the author Rewbert
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    If it's not too many such people involved you might aswell contact them, but i am not sure of what to do if there are hundreds of people o:
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  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    It is always needed to have the original author's consent. You will need to get their permission. No way!
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    I am not a lawyer, but copyright applies to expression not basic ideas or facts.

    Newton (if copyright had existed in modern form at time) wouldn't have a copyright on f=ma, which is a fact of nature, but he would have had on the specific wording and examples he used to describe this particular law of nature.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Ask a legal professional.

    Not here, in a public forum where you're bound to get all sorts of comical replies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Eight
      How about posting here The Copywriting Forum
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Alan Eight View Post

        How about posting here The Copywriting Forum
        What does copyrighting have to do with writing copy????
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        • Profile picture of the author Alan Eight
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          What does copyrighting have to do with writing copy????
          Just thought that those that write copy for a living might know a thing or two about how to cite their sources.

          Or maybe I am mistaken;0)
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

            What does copyrighting have to do with writing copy????
            See "comical replies", post #5...

            snowowl, there's no way to give you a definitive answer based on the information provided.

            In general, you can say something like "according to Joe Expert, in an article in Publication (cite), yada yada yada..." under the terms of fair use. 'Yada yada yada' would be your summary of the actual quote.

            Read the terms of Fair Use, and if in doubt, contact the rights holder - which may not be the person who actually said whatever you want to quote. It may be an author, or it may be the publication who bought the article.

            For example, if you wanted to quote my post here in the Warrior Forum, asking Admin or even Allen directly would not be sufficient. In posting here, I grant WF some pretty wide-open permission to use my posts, but that permission does not extend to you, nor does it extend the ability to grant such permission to WF (according to how I read the licensing terms).
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            • Profile picture of the author snowowl
              Thanks for all of your replies...I'll keep this in mind, and will probably end up emailing the aurthors themselves for permission...

              Just to be on the safe side;-)

              thanks again

              snowowl
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              • Profile picture of the author art72
                Originally Posted by snowowl View Post

                Thanks for all of your replies...I'll keep this in mind, and will probably end up emailing the aurthors themselves for permission...
                Not to add to thee comical responses, but my OCD is driving me nuts, this is the second time you've spelled author wrong.

                You may want a good proof reader and/or editor before submitting your 'biography' or 'citation' whatever your writing.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      here, in a public forum where you're bound to get all sorts of comical replies.
      And then the next post came in. A real classic.

      Often, I'm just here for the entertainment.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    Fair use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Generally speaking, you can cite copyrighted works in a limited form.

    Excellent advice 2 posts up. Consult an attorney. Free advice in an internet forum is worth exactly what you pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
    Originally Posted by snowowl View Post

    My problem is this. Do I need to email every scientific journal, every self-help aurthor to get their permission, or would a simple credit when it comes to the quote/scientific fact etc be sufficient?
    When I am unsure about the usage terms of a copyrighted material, I always contact the owner and learn if how I will use it is acceptable or not, and if so, on what conditions. I think when you are not sure about things, it is always better to make clarifications by contacting owners so that you won't have issues in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I'm not sure on the exact laws but when writing academic essays and so on at uni you'd always be quoting other people work from books and journals and would simple acknowledge where you'd taken the quote from. Now obviously you aren't selling those essays so I don't know if that's where the difference would be or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      I'm not sure on the exact laws but when writing academic essays and so on at uni you'd always be quoting other people work from books and journals and would simple acknowledge where you'd taken the quote from. Now obviously you aren't selling those essays so I don't know if that's where the difference would be or not.
      Plagiarism is an academic offense. It is taking somebody else's ideas and claiming them as your own. You may or may not copy the expression of th idea when being guilty of plagiarism.

      Copyright infringement is a legal offense (civil or criminal depending on he circumstances). It is taking somebody else's copyrighted expression (or entire work) and copying or distributing it without permission. Not all works are copyrighted. Not all works are copyrightable. Copying in this context has a distinct legal meanng, as does expression, which are not the same as the non legal definitions. And there are exceptions for certain types of copying of copyrighted material which is allowed when it otherwise wouldn't be the case, such as fair use, copyright misuse, etc.

      The two are in other words entirely separate and distinct concepts, with numerous differences between them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
        Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

        Plagiarism is an academic offense. It is taking somebody else's ideas and claiming them as your own. You may or may not copy the expression of th idea when being guilty of plagiarism.

        Copyright infringement is a legal offense (civil or criminal depending on he circumstances). It is taking somebody else's copyrighted expression (or entire work) and copying or distributing it without permission. Not all works are copyrighted. Not all works are copyrightable. Copying in this context has a distinct legal meanng, as does expression, which are not the same as the non legal definitions. And there are exceptions for certain types of copying of copyrighted material which is allowed when it otherwise wouldn't be the case, such as fair use, copyright misuse, etc.

        The two are in other words entirely separate and distinct concepts, with numerous differences between them.
        There's a difference between plagiarism and quoting other people's work or referencing them which is what I was referring to.
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        • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
          Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

          There's a difference between plagiarism and quoting other people's work or referencing them which is what I was referring to.
          Yes the difference is citing your sources. Omit the citation and/or the quote marks, and it is technically plagiarism.

          Im any case my point remains, copyright is a very different beast from academic/plagiarism considerations.

          I could plagiarise Aristotle for example, but I couldn't infringe his copyright no matter what I did.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamuelCarter
    Originally Posted by snowowl View Post

    Hiya,

    I'm developing my product, had some initial feedback, and will be re-writing my product, with some scientific evidence, quotes from famous authors etc...

    My problem is this. Do I need to email every scientific journal, every self-help aurthor to get their permission, or would a simple credit when it comes to the quote/scientific fact etc be sufficient?

    Just not sure when it comes to the copyrighting, what stuff I can print, and what stuff I can't

    Any suggestions would be welcome

    Thanks again

    Snowowl
    Hey,

    Now in regards to your product, if this is your own but you have some references of others and so on. My understanding is (which do check and confirm) but if you do have references or information of another. This information would generally be listed in a Bibliography. In the BIBLIOGRAPHY, You would reference all information in regards to that quote/fact/author and Links and so on. So you are not passing another's work as your own, that would be Plagiarism.
    However in reports,Book and other literature and so on, Many use quotes/facts/findings and so on but reference that source.

    Also, You could contact the individuals concerned personally and im sure they would be more then happy to let you make references in regards to their work, as in return they would be getting exposure and so on. However that only applies to the ones who still have a heart beat unless you solicit the services of a medium and contact the spirits

    Hope this would helpful

    Samuel
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by snowowl View Post

    My problem is this. Do I need to email every scientific journal, every self-help aurthor to get their permission, or would a simple credit when it comes to the quote/scientific fact etc be sufficient?
    What you are asking about is called a bibliography. You don't have to ask permission from every source, but you do have to use an accurate citation. And now that you know the magic words "bibliography" and "citation" you can find the information you want pretty easily - from how to build them, all the way down to what they cover. Bing is your friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bayo
    Deep down you probably are aware that the amount of content you're planning on using could potentially lead to some legal issues. follow your inner voice, it''ll never mislead you.

    ...and of course get some qualified legal advice too.
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