Predicting a profitable niche

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Hey all,

I'm building an info product.

Google adwords is telling me there are 4,700 exact match, global monthly searches for my term. Because this is such a niche product, there are not many other terms that are searching for my product. The closest second keyword has 1,000 exact match global monthly searches.

There is currently no ppc competition, and there are about 6 relevant websites already ranked.

So my question is, what are the google metrics that predict a profitable niche? Is 6000 monthly searches too small?

I currently run a website that is trying to rank for terms that total about 20,000 monthly searches. It is profitable, but also has much more competition. So I am seduced by this new niche, which has less competition, but also less traffic.

Even if I get into the top 10 in google, how much of the pie could I really get if there are only 6,000 monthly searches?
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I think the volume is decent if it's a product people will buy and you can charge a decent amount.

    Is it a growing/trending niche?

    At the very least it doesn't sound like you'll have to invest much in traffic so the risk is low other than your time investment. Could be a nice little revenue stream if it converts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    I would base it not off Google, but for what niche you know the most about and can make a good product.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
      These numbers (by themselves) are on the low side...that said, I typically favor looking at what 1) is actually selling in the niche (CB, Amazon, CJ, other offline sources like magazines, etc...) and determine if the PROBLEM or DESIRE you are targeting is resulting in sales of other products and 2) opportunity triggers - forums, social, blogs, comments, etc...that indicate a frustration or desire

      Following the Google trail to find a niche or product idea is problematic because great ideas can be hidden across hundreds of long-tail keywords, off on another keyword chain that you haven't even thought of yet or are big on affiliate networks where Google is not the main source of traffic (list owners for example).

      Study what is selling, study what people want and study what other authority websites/affiliates are selling...then test your idea before you build a full infoproduct.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedark
    As an entrepreneur, or a businessman, you can't rely only on the actual information. You have to think if the product you build will still be needed 3,6,12 months from now, or even more. Google can't tell you that, but if you are experienced enough in your field to write a book, then you should be experienced enough to predict that. You can't be 100% sure but you must have an idea of what is going on and what will happen in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    The question is: Does this niche only search or are they willing to pay for a product? Are there other products out there?

    Also, I'd check the PPC. Are people advertising here? If not, why not?

    Search volume is only one part of the equation.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      This ^^^.

      Always worth checking the AdWords (and similar). How many different ones are there? How quickly do they "come round"? For how long do people advertise? What are they selling? It's indicative. If people are continuing to spend money to advertise, then there's some money in the niche.

      For me, identifying a "profitable niche" depends on very many factors, but "Google parameters" barely figure in my thinking at all. It's not an approach I instinctively trust, because I'm not going to make (most of) my profits from a niche out of search engine traffic anyway, whatever the niche is. (I do see that it has some indirect relevance, anyway, and can also be "indicative").
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    I have to say that I no longer go for a niche. You can spend a ton of time and money testing, only to find that your products flop.

    These days I go where the money is.

    HINT: Major publishers do a ton of research and rarely commission a book unless there is a ready made market and high sales potential.

    So I am happy to follow them and then go from there. Works a treat for me because I am tapping into an existing market which has a history of buying info products.

    A few years back, my wife took a shot at the whole niche thing when it was the next big thing... PPC, surveys and all that stuff. 12 months later she had zero to show for it.

    My advice is to stop mining for that undiscovered niche that will deliver the jackpot and find something popular and do ti better than anyone else.

    Remember... everything you need to know is revealed in my sig file.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Fitz
    Originally Posted by kgbrooklyn View Post

    Even if I get into the top 10 in google, how much of the pie could I really get if there are only 6,000 monthly searches?
    • The #1 result for any given search typically averages are 40-45% of the clicks resulting from that phrase.
    6,000 x 0.45 = 2,700 visitors.
    • The #10 result averages roughly 2-5% of clicks.
    6,000 x 0.02 = 120 visitors.
    • So you're looking at between 120 and 2,700 visitors monthly from this one search if you're able to rank and stay positioned in the top 10.
    I typically search for "gold nugget" key phrases in subject areas that I have some kind of insider information. This allows me to predict what people are going to be searching for before Google is even able to provide information to other people trying to delve into the niche.


    For instance, I am a retired World of Warcraft player. While still heavily involved in the game, I predicted a phrase that no one was yet searching for, but that I thought would soon become very desirable. While the niche was still "fresh," I wrote an article to fulfill that search and submitted it to GoArticles.com. Without any further promotion (no backlinking or social bookmarking) that article gained nearly 30,000 hits in the 6 months that followed.


    Google's keyword tools are valuable in indicating what is currently happening, but the most dramatic results will always come from tapping what's around the corner....before it's even here yet.



    Hope this helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author kgbrooklyn
    Thanks a lot for your input guys (and gals). I'm going to go ahead with this niche. I'm giving myself two weeks to see this project through. I'll be sure to share the website and niche here when I'm done. Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author kgbrooklyn
    Alexa,

    Thanks for the feedback. If you're not using google as your main source of traffic, what are you using?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by kgbrooklyn View Post

      Alexa,
      Thanks for the feedback. If you're not using google as your main source of traffic, what are you using?
      I do get a lot of Google traffic, I admit (and it's the worst kind of traffic I have, in every one of my niches), because high rankings happen to be a small side-benefit arising from my major traffic-generation method, which is ... article marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
      Originally Posted by kgbrooklyn View Post

      Alexa,

      Thanks for the feedback. If you're not using google as your main source of traffic, what are you using?

      Thanks!
      Using SEO for your traffic is so 2012.

      I use a mix of SEO, banner ads, email marketing, PPC, video, forums, blogs and social media. Most of the non SEO stuff gets instant results, no waiting for months for the site to rank (or not) and no worries about Google updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author OrangeBull
    Does your product or service solve a problem for people in that niche? If your product or service makes life easier then you will have little problem selling it, regardless of the size of the niche.

    If there was a market of only 200 people, but THEY ALL had the same problem, and YOU CREATED A SOLUTION to that problem, in all likelihood all 200 people would buy it.

    What if that problem was a RECURRING PROBLEM, i.e something they dealt with everyday, and it was worth $100 a month to them in lost time and effort to resolve the problem and you provided a Software as a Service solution to that problem?

    That's $20,000 a month in recurring income from just a market of 200 people in the entire world! That's $240K a year. Now imagine that such a service could be run on a shared hosting account with a simple database. Mind you, there are only 200 customers, so this isn't an unlikely scenario. It costs you $70 a year in hosting to produce $240K in revenue and with the whole market being 200 people, it only cost you $500 in printed materials and mailing costs to DIRECTLY target and market to those people in their real world mailbox.

    The size of the market ISN'T the question, THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM YOU ARE SOLVING FOR THAT MARKET is the question!
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    • Profile picture of the author kgbrooklyn
      Originally Posted by OrangeBull View Post

      Does your product or service solve a problem for people in that niche? If your product or service makes life easier then you will have little problem selling it, regardless of the size of the niche.

      If there was a market of only 200 people, but THEY ALL had the same problem, and YOU CREATED A SOLUTION to that problem, in all likelihood all 200 people would buy it.

      What if that problem was a RECURRING PROBLEM, i.e something they dealt with everyday, and it was worth $100 a month to them in lost time and effort to resolve the problem and you provided a Software as a Service solution to that problem?

      That's $20,000 a month in recurring income from just a market of 200 people in the entire world! That's $240K a year. Now imagine that such a service could be run on a shared hosting account with a simple database. Mind you, there are only 200 customers, so this isn't an unlikely scenario. It costs you $70 a year in hosting to produce $240K in revenue and with the whole market being 200 people, it only cost you $500 in printed materials and mailing costs to DIRECTLY target and market to those people in their real world mailbox.

      The size of the market ISN'T the question, THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM YOU ARE SOLVING FOR THAT MARKET is the question!
      Orangebull, thanks for the reply man.

      I have never had 100% conversion rates

      Even with 200 people who all have the same problem, their propensity to spend money to solve that problem is going to vary from person to person. And since we can't assume I'm the ONLY person with a good solution, there is no way to get all 200 customers to buy.

      Most of my other websites have a 3% conversion rate. At 5,000 monthly visitors, assuming I can get at least a quarter to visit my website (1125 visitors), that's only about one sale per day. But since this is a niche site, and I'm only going to spend about 2 weeks to make it, I've decided to move forward, and hopefully I'll make an extra 1K a month.
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      • Profile picture of the author OrangeBull
        Originally Posted by kgbrooklyn View Post

        Orangebull, thanks for the reply man.

        I have never had 100% conversion rates

        Even with 200 people who all have the same problem, their propensity to spend money to solve that problem is going to vary from person to person. And since we can't assume I'm the ONLY person with a good solution, there is no way to get all 200 customers to buy.

        Most of my other websites have a 3% conversion rate. At 5,000 monthly visitors, assuming I can get at least a quarter to visit my website (1125 visitors), that's only about one sale per day. But since this is a niche site, and I'm only going to spend about 2 weeks to make it, I've decided to move forward, and hopefully I'll make an extra 1K a month.
        If you solve a problem PAINFUL enough, even if the market is TINY, people will pay to solve the problem, potentially over and over and over again.

        If you solve a problem that eats away at 10 hours per week of someone's time, and that same problem haunts all 200 people who do that thing, and the $100 you cost them to solve the problem saves them 40 hours per month and increases their profitability by $1000 a month, well, that's a no brainer, they are ALL going to buy your product.

        Find a BIG ENOUGH problem, no matter how small the niche and it CAN BE PROFITABLE.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by kgbrooklyn View Post

    Hey all,

    I'm building an info product.

    Google adwords is telling me there are 4,700 exact match, global monthly searches for my term. Because this is such a niche product, there are not many other terms that are searching for my product. The closest second keyword has 1,000 exact match global monthly searches.

    There is currently no ppc competition, and there are about 6 relevant websites already ranked.

    So my question is, what are the google metrics that predict a profitable niche? Is 6000 monthly searches too small?

    I currently run a website that is trying to rank for terms that total about 20,000 monthly searches. It is profitable, but also has much more competition. So I am seduced by this new niche, which has less competition, but also less traffic.

    Even if I get into the top 10 in google, how much of the pie could I really get if there are only 6,000 monthly searches?
    Bear in mind that 6,000 monthly searches is only based on one keyword and it's not going to give you the whole picture. Before I even do any keyword research I look at the market itself. Some things that I look for are:

    * Competition - I like to see other players in the market so that I can study them.

    * Advertising dollars - I follow the money.

    * Repeat buyers - Does the market have buyers who buy again and again?

    * Product / service mix - Does the market have a wide variety of products and/or services?

    * Need / Solutions - Does the market have a real need and can I provide the solution(s)?

    Don't limit yourself to "ranking", look at other distribution channels such as paid advertising, publicity, strategic partnerships, etc.

    RoD
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