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Regarding Amazon affiliate marketing, would creating Amazon sniper sites still work and be a viable option in 2013?

Basically a simple site (Wordpress blog) where I write a thorough, detailed review (500 - 1000 words) for one Amazon product and possibly have a few additional posts on the product that offer more helpful information about the product. I would use a nice, clean template and possibly add a graphic header of the product at the top of the page.

Of course I would then add all the supporting pages as well: About Me, Contact Me, Privacy Policy, Compensation Disclosure, and so forth. So essentially 1-5 main posts total (not including the other supporting pages I just mentioned). The blog/review site would be laser targeted to that one product alone and would offer as much information as I could dig up on the product to help my site visitors reach a buying decision.

I would place affiliate links as necessary which would link back to the product page on Amazon. I really like this model but I want to make sure Google is not going to penalize me because of all the new updates in place.

I seem to think that as long as I provide useful, helpful information that brings value to my site visitors and I'm not trying for a "hard sell" (which isn't my intent) that I should be okay, right?

Thanks all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Google won't know whether your site is hard selling or not, they aren't that smart. Yes these types of sites can and do work still if done properly. You need to make it look as legit a site as possible and not too thin, you also need to make it good for the customer by offering something a bit more than every other low quality 'review' site out there. Try and think outside the box, instead of just a generic article why not create an interactive video for example where you put the product through it's paces (assuming you own / can afford to buy it) or compare it to a similar product and see what's best.

    Ranking might be your most difficult task assuming you plan to focus on SEO. I'd look at other advertising methods if I was you.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Originally Posted by imnewbie6 View Post

    I seem to think that as long as I provide useful, helpful information that brings value to my site visitors and I'm not trying for a "hard sell" (which isn't my intent) that I should be okay, right?
    Okay for what?

    Okay for ranking in Google based on SEO?

    That depends on the competition you face for the keywords you are trying to rank for.

    You would find more help posting in the Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum


    Or do you mean okay for conversions?

    Or do you mean okay with complying with Amazon ToS?


    A "sniper" site doesn't gain any benefit (or penalty) for being a 'sniper" site. They are just smaller, quicker to build and easier to maintain.

    So you can build 10 sites in one month and drop the 7 that fail leaving you with three. As opposed to building one larger site a month and taking 10 months to build 7 failures and 3 successes.


    You can drive traffic by all the traditional methods.

    For SEO and ranking in Google it depends on the competition in the niche and for the keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author imnewbie6
      onSubie -

      Thanks for your reply.

      When I said 'is it okay', I meant is it okay in Google's eyes?

      Or will I be penalized for not having a larger site?

      Let me know, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Google doesn't really "punish" sites, unless they are in violation or have malicious code. Then Google could de-index.

    But they may not score well if there are other competitive sites.

    Look at the SERPs results for the keywords you are targeting and see what sites you are competing with.

    If you see big authority sites with age and backlinks in the Top 10, then it may be too competitive to expect to rank quickly with a sniper site.

    But if you see Amazon product pages, Squidoo lenses or other low-value sniper sites then it may be something you could rank for.

    But when you are talking about being "penalized" by Google you are talking about SEO.

    There are many ways to drive free traffic that do not rely on SEO:

    YouTube Videos
    Pinterest posts
    Facebook pages
    Free PDF on doc share sites
    PPC / PPV
    Banner ads

    Amazon sites are not like Adsense sites. Adsense sites can be punished (de-indexed, ads removed or adsense account closed) for violating Google's ToS because Google owns Adsense.

    Google does not care about ToS violations for Amazon sites because they are Amazon's ToS, not Google's.

    For an Amazon sites you are concerned about SEO, not getting your account banned.

    Of course, if you violate Amazon ToS, Amazon may care....
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    If you're wondering whether you can rank them high up in the search engines, the answer is yes. The real question is whether you'll profit. You can spend a fortune on SEO, but at some point it's not profitable.

    Assess the competition and the few pages you do publish, make them good.

    The key is developing a system for attaining good backlinks efficiently that will actually work.

    Of course you can drive traffic in other methods, but I suspect most people building sniper sites do so with the intention of getting traffic solely from the search engines.

    I have a few "sniper" type sites and they earn. It takes a bit of learning. I focus on larger sites and blogging, but sometimes I just can't resist making a few small sites and seeing if I can make them profitable and earn on autopilot.

    I recommend to look for really good offers. I don't promote Amazon with any sniper sites because Amazon is ranking really well these days. My sniper sites promote products/services that pay huge commissions (huge frontend and/or lucrative recurring). This way I can invest some decent money in SEO.

    Note, I use the term sniper loosely here. I still build backlinks, which I believe is something the Gsniper method suggests you need not do if you target the right keywords. I'm using sniper in the sense that they're very small and focused sites. I invest quite a bit of time on the content for these sites though.

    Note my dabbling in this model is only a fraction of my online biz. I think I'd be pretty nervous only building these types of sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    If your sites are informative, useful content, and visitors use it as a trusted and valuable point of reference then they would do. If you have only a few pages, tons of adverts, low quality reviews, then other than not ranking, it also wont be shared, and therefore will never really rank.

    The one thing is, Google is now moving towards ranking sites higher that have traffic coming from places beyond just the search engines. This is why it needs to be good content, and get shared, as that then proves that this is a quality site, not just some SEO'd site that doesn't really interest people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
      Been there, done that. If by sniper you mean short websites ( 8-10 pages), it's possible but you can't expect big results.

      I tested a lot and from my point of view, you can expect some results with at least 18-20 pages which are targetted on researched keywords + multi-tier backlinking.

      With this type of projects you long-run bet will be on volume mostly.

      All the best.
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      • Profile picture of the author trswitch
        Still works! I ranked one of my .info domains wthin 11 days to page one on Google. Nearly 3.000.000 search resilts, 44000 searches per month.

        ...and I don't even have a privacy policy and about me page yet. But these will help of course.

        Nowadays it' s all about content and how your visitors behave

        Add a picture of you in the sidebar with a short about me description.

        I recommend the "what would set godin do" plugin as well.

        You have to do some social bookmarking and drip feed backlinks. If you like to I tell you the fiverr gigs, I used.

        Best of luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author ArielT
          Originally Posted by trswitch View Post

          Still works! I ranked one of my .info domains wthin 11 days to page one on Google. Nearly 3.000.000 search resilts, 44000 searches per month.

          ...and I don't even have a privacy policy and about me page yet. But these will help of course.

          Nowadays it' s all about content and how your visitors behave

          Add a picture of you in the sidebar with a short about me description.

          I recommend the "what would set godin do" plugin as well.

          You have to do some social bookmarking and drip feed backlinks. If you like to I tell you the fiverr gigs, I used.

          Best of luck.
          Had you placed amazon or other affiliate link when ranking of not yet?
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        • Profile picture of the author nsp
          Originally Posted by trswitch View Post

          If you like to I tell you the fiverr gigs, I used.
          Best of luck.
          Can you please mention the social and drip feed gigs you have used.

          Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    While I am not sure why you're concerned with Google pertaining to building Amazon sites, it leads me to think you're confusing Adsense sites with Amazon. If you are clearly building 'thin' sites with the intent of housing several Adsense campaigns as your primary arsenal, you will likely have some problems.

    Many of the once greatly established Adsense marketers have been hammered hard by Google, many whom have lost 'chunk-size' incomes as a result of relying on 'thin' Adsense sites. These are the sites Google punishes -Not Amazon sites
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    • Profile picture of the author imnewbie6
      Thanks to everyone for the valuable feedback.

      I am actually not interested in doing AdSense at all. I don't plan to have advertisements all over my site, or even any banners at all really. I just plan to write a really solid review for an Amazon product and place some affiliate links in the content that will lead them back to Amazon.

      I will look to target one product specific keyword (related to the product I'm promoting obviously) and then sprinkle in other keywords where I can.

      The bottom line is this: I am looking to get the site built, have it rank high in the search engines, and get traffic to it through the organic search results.

      As I said, I don't really see any issues with this and I think it is a good approach, but please let me know if you foresee any issues. I understand that this method will not make as much as building a larger site, but I am comfortable making these smaller sites that can make in the $100/month or $200/month range (or more, possibly) and then replicate to see greater results.

      My main concern from the start (and why I started this post), is I just want to make sure Google wouldn't look at my site and say, "Oh, this is a thin affiliate site, let's drop him down in the rankings". That's what I really need clarification on.

      So, if someone were to build a smaller site like I'm talking about with, let's say, only 3 main posts, does Google automatically consider that a thin affiliate site and penalize it, even if those posts contain valuable, helpful content?
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by imnewbie6 View Post


        My main concern from the start (and why I started this post), is I just want to make sure Google wouldn't look at my site and say, "Oh, this is a thin affiliate site, let's drop him down in the rankings". That's what I really need clarification on.

        So, if someone were to build a smaller site like I'm talking about with, let's say, only 3 main posts, does Google automatically consider that a thin affiliate site and penalize it, even if those posts contain valuable, helpful content?
        You're on the right track.

        I have (thin sites) using LSI keywords, with 'low' competition ranking high for several keywords on page one of Google, and some of these are just web 2.0 properties (free websites like... webs .com, HubPages, even Blogger)

        Naturally, if you do your keyword research, run out all your on-page SEO options (meta, alt tags, description, title, etc...) in addition to writing quality articles with a 2-4% keyword density in those articles, you stand a good chance of hitting page 1 of Google. Relevant backlink building would help too.

        Google really doesn't penalize 'thin' sites, they will if it looks like a 'link farm' whereby you have 300 outbound links, and no inbound links, or if you purchase and flood your site with links, then ya, you're asking for trouble.

        In what you describe, you should be fine.

        If you don't have it already, get TrafficTravis.com it's FREE and it helps a lot!

        Good Luck.

        All the Best,

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      • Originally Posted by imnewbie6 View Post

        Thanks to everyone for the valuable feedback.

        I am actually not interested in doing AdSense at all. I don't plan to have advertisements all over my site, or even any banners at all really. I just plan to write a really solid review for an Amazon product and place some affiliate links in the content that will lead them back to Amazon.

        I will look to target one product specific keyword (related to the product I'm promoting obviously) and then sprinkle in other keywords where I can.

        The bottom line is this: I am looking to get the site built, have it rank high in the search engines, and get traffic to it through the organic search results.

        As I said, I don't really see any issues with this and I think it is a good approach, but please let me know if you foresee any issues. I understand that this method will not make as much as building a larger site, but I am comfortable making these smaller sites that can make in the $100/month or $200/month range (or more, possibly) and then replicate to see greater results.

        My main concern from the start (and why I started this post), is I just want to make sure Google wouldn't look at my site and say, "Oh, this is a thin affiliate site, let's drop him down in the rankings". That's what I really need clarification on.

        So, if someone were to build a smaller site like I'm talking about with, let's say, only 3 main posts, does Google automatically consider that a thin affiliate site and penalize it, even if those posts contain valuable, helpful content?
        The problem with one product review post sites is that rather than focus on content, you HAVE to focus on ranking and SEO. Plus you really limit the traffic you can get from outside of SEO, because you're looking for people that are interested in 1 specific product, and not a range of products with info articles and good comparisons, which makes it harder to get traffic from youtube, slideshare sites, forums and so forth... I believe MYOB uses a method whereby promoting a specific higher ticket item through syndication or to his list is worthwhile due to commissions, but I think he does it for very in demand products. Don't quote me on that because I don't remember his posts word for word.

        If you can get your hands on a new released product, or write an interesting review about it then you're more likely to receive viral traffic if people share it. I think sites like this need the person to actually own that one product to really make it worthwhile.

        However, like you mentioned you can add supporting articles, which can help. Top 10 comparison, buyers guide for that specific product, glossary of terms, an article solely dedicated to the most important feature of that product, or a few. Things like that. I still think personally it's a waste of time unless you've gotten early access to a product that's not yet been released with lots of popularity behind it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jacob Padget
          This is worth a read, regarding Sniper websites on Google: Google To Take Out Sniper Sites
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          • Profile picture of the author onSubie
            Originally Posted by Jacob Padget View Post

            This is worth a read, regarding Sniper websites on Google: Google To Take Out Sniper Sites
            Be wary of what Matt Cutts says.

            Google wants to do a lot of things and they say they are doing a lot of things, but they are still limited by what an automated algorithm can do.

            The article says they are (trying) to get rid of thin sites with "keyword matching domains and low quality content".

            There are many "thin" sites (i.e. not many pages) with great content. There are also many "keyword matching domains" with great content.

            The problem is telling if the content is low quality or high quality and this is something Google cannot yet do directly.

            They try to gauge the quality of content indirectly by looking at bounce rate, time on page, social indcators, etc.

            But Google (or anyone) does not yet have a piece of software that can look at a block of text and tell you if it is "hgh qualiy" or "low quality" to a human reader.
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        • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
          Originally Posted by imnewbie6 View Post

          I will look to target one product specific keyword (related to the product I'm promoting obviously) and then sprinkle in other keywords where I can.

          The bottom line is this: I am looking to get the site built, have it rank high in the search engines, and get traffic to it through the organic search results.

          As I said, I don't really see any issues with this and I think it is a good approach, but please let me know if you foresee any issues. I understand that this method will not make as much as building a larger site, but I am comfortable making these smaller sites that can make in the $100/month or $200/month range (or more, possibly) and then replicate to see greater results.

          My main concern from the start (and why I started this post), is I just want to make sure Google wouldn't look at my site and say, "Oh, this is a thin affiliate site, let's drop him down in the rankings". That's what I really need clarification on.

          So, if someone were to build a smaller site like I'm talking about with, let's say, only 3 main posts, does Google automatically consider that a thin affiliate site and penalize it, even if those posts contain valuable, helpful content?
          Sites like these can work IF you are targeting (mostly low volume) keywords with little SEO competition. If you're going after popular products with lots of competition then forget about it.

          Google may well decide your site is a low quality and thin site and drop it in the rankings because it probably will be a low quality and thin site from what you're saying.

          I mean you're probably going to write a biased review on a product you've never even seen let alone owned in order to convince people to click on your links and buy, right? Where's the value there? Who are you helping but yourself?

          I'm not against these sites and have many myself but don't kid yourself that you're helping the general public and giving them a valuable experience by writing a fake review of the product.

          Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor View Post

          The problem with one product review post sites is that rather than focus on content, you HAVE to focus on ranking and SEO. Plus you really limit the traffic you can get from outside of SEO, because you're looking for people that are interested in 1 specific product, and not a range of products with info articles and good comparisons, which makes it harder to get traffic from youtube, slideshare sites, forums and so forth... I believe MYOB uses a method whereby promoting a specific higher ticket item through syndication or to his list is worthwhile due to commissions, but I think he does it for very in demand products. Don't quote me on that because I don't remember his posts word for word.

          If you can get your hands on a new released product, or write an interesting review about it then you're more likely to receive viral traffic if people share it. I think sites like this need the person to actually own that one product to really make it worthwhile.

          However, like you mentioned you can add supporting articles, which can help. Top 10 comparison, buyers guide for that specific product, glossary of terms, an article solely dedicated to the most important feature of that product, or a few. Things like that. I still think personally it's a waste of time unless you've gotten early access to a product that's not yet been released with lots of popularity behind it.
          There are other options to get traffic to these sites. You can still do videos, banner ads, PPC and other traffic no problem. Finding out where the demographic or type of people who buy these products hang out and putting ads / content in front of them will still work.

          You can also use Google Alerts (or Buzz Bundle if willing to spend some money) to drive targeted traffic based on your keywords, i.e. 'buy product name' or 'product name review'. Super targeted traffic.

          It may even be worthwhile to try the Google Alerts / Buzz Bundle method for a really popular, highly searched and evergreen product. Whenever someone mentions it you'll be alerted and you can quickly head over to place a link back to your site where they'll be reviews, videos, product information, testimonials and so on. If you go this route you'll want to have a high quality site and do things a bit differently than the usual review site that just has a 500 word article. A high quality video review or comparison at least, something interactive, need to think outside the box.
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  • Profile picture of the author pitterz
    Personally I'd look to build a large authority site (over time) that contains lots of reviews of products in a large niche or market (with reviews added regularly). Start in one area of the larger market then gradually build out from there.

    An example would be an authority site that is more general and also branded then with different categories pertaining to the different sub niches and products within the market.

    Example: site reviewing gardening products which will cover all sorts of different products that you could review (lawn mowers, trimmers, lawn products etc) along with ebook guides and other things like that. You could just start with lawnmower reviews and your blog at first then add more categories of reviews as you get going.

    As well as all your reviews that would grow over time, you could have a fantastic blog on the site offering gardening tips, how to's, FAQs, videos, interviews, image examples of amazing gardens etc etc

    Your audience would love this and keep coming back to the site, sign up to your list, follow you on social networks and share and link to your content. If done right you will build a BRAND and an AUDIENCE and relationships with other influencers in your market - things that Google is really paying attention to.

    You will just have the one site to manage as you will have quite a few different categories where you could expand into for your money pages and your content marketing strategy would be a lot more open and geared to the audience.

    Build an audience and you can sell to them over and over again and they will also do a lot of your SEO and traffic generation for you once you have a big enough audience (links, shares etc).

    Once your site is a good, branded authority site, everything you post will rank and attract traffic far far easier which in the long run could be a lot better for you than trying to rank and manage lots of 10 page mini sites. You will also be in a stronger position in regards to Google updates (so long as you are not doing anything dodgy).

    Just my 2 cents (or pence in the UK!)
    Scott
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  • Profile picture of the author WordpressManiac
    I prefer to build larger authority style sites than sniper sites. But both will work. If you use outsourced articles or Amazon PLR stuff you can enhance the content and value of your website.

    What I sometimes do is build a sniper site and after it ranks I add more content.
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